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Veritas
09-22-2006, 06:32 PM
The other evening I watched a programme about manic depression presented by Stephen Fry, and the following day discussed it with a friend.

She asked me if any of it rang true, and I agreed that yes, a lot of it did; it's good to hear tales from other bipolars as it makes me feel understood, and less alone (without forced intimacy - watching telly is ok; forced hugs - bleurgh).

Anyway; one question raised by the programmes was, "If you could press a button to make yourself not bipolar, would you press it?" and all but one interviewee said no. I said to my friend that I, too, would choose not to.

She asked me why, and I said I felt that I would be less creative and have a slightly more restricted imagination without the sudden bursts of energy, even mania. She then said, "Well I've had a varied life and I'm not manic depressive. You don't need to be mentally ill to have an imagination."

True, but my point wasn't about her - it was about me. I would feel as if I was living a mediocre life without manic depression; or at least I would have mediocre thoughts and ideas. I enjoy the highs. I get a lot done. Of course, there are the lows, but if putting up with them is the price to pay, I am willing to pay it.

So. My friend went on to ask me (in a funny tone of voice), "How are you creative? What have you done?"

I told her I wrote a lot, and I don't think I would have written so much otherwise; perhaps I wouldn't even have had the desire to write. I might not have needed to write, as it started off as therapy for me.

Her opinion boils down to this: "How can you call yourself creative? No one's read anything you've written." I pointed out she could not possibly know this. She then alleged, "You can't say you're creative if you're not published."

I finished by saying no one else's opinion mattered to me, but I am creative as even if I never have another reader, regarding my 'body of work' - "There is something there that didn't exist before I came." This is my definition of creativity.

My questions are: Does that which is created only become creation when it has an observer? Does Schrodinger's cat/a piece of writing need an observer to choose whether it is dead/not dead - creation/rubbish? Does that analogy make sense?

Also - does being bipolar mean you write more - or write differently? Does it (as I suspect) merely mean you get a lot more done in a compressed space of time?

These are the ramblings of someone who's angry at her 'friend' - I mean, insulting my passion like that! - and quite possibly a mentalist.

But it's my head and I have to live in it.

yguy
09-22-2006, 07:11 PM
I finished by saying no one else's opinion mattered to me, but I am creative as even if I never have another reader, regarding my 'body of work' - "There is something there that didn't exist before I came." This is my definition of creativity.

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Am I creative or what? :cool:

These are the ramblings of someone who's angry at her 'friend' - I mean, insulting my passion like that!

My suggestion would be for you to grow the hell up.

D. Scarlatti
09-22-2006, 07:24 PM
We're not certain what yguy's posing as here, but it clearly isn't as a member of the healthcare profession.

Veritas
09-22-2006, 07:25 PM
Unless the lunatics are taking over the asylum...

D. Scarlatti
09-22-2006, 07:29 PM
Anyway, I was sitting in the waiting room at a therapist's office one day and there was a poster on the wall with a big picture of Beethoven that said "Beethoven was mentally ill," or something like that.

According to my then-naivete, I thought that that was a fairly outrageous suggestion, for various reasons, but it makes a lot more sense to me nowadays, in part for some of the considerations you've described in your OP.

ms_ann_thrope
09-22-2006, 09:57 PM
My questions are: Does that which is created only become creation when it has an observer?IMHO, yes, but creator and observer can be the same person. No other observer is required.Does Schrodinger's cat/a piece of writing need an observer to choose whether it is dead/not dead - creation/rubbish? Does that analogy make sense?:wha: Schrodinger's cat, sealed in its box, exists as equal parts alive and dead simultaneously. Only when the box is opened by an observer is the cat's status as alive or dead known.* An author-observer might determine that a writing they have produced is complete crap, but coming to that conclusion doesn't negate the fact that the writing has been created. So, like Schrodinger's cat in the box, the writing exists in both states simultaneously (a creation that is rubbish); unlike Schrodinger's cat, not only isn't third-party observation required to make the determination, its "dual-state" nature is not necessarily terminated by third-party observation (in fact, it might even be affirmed... writer: Arrgh, I'm a hack; my novel is just so much crap! editor: Yes, I completely agree; now get the hell out of my office, Mr. McInerney.).

Also - does being bipolar mean you write more - or write differently? Does it (as I suspect) merely mean you get a lot more done in a compressed space of time?If you are inclined to write, I assume that being bipolar means you may write both differently and more prolifically than someone who is not bipolar. "Getting more done" could be measured objectively or subjectively, i.e., quantity or quality, but my hunch is that over a lifetime, the bipolar author will produce a larger total number of "quality" writings than the non-bipolar author... but I also have a hunch that the ratio of quality:quantity might skew more "favorably" to the non-bipolar author. :shrug:

I definitely believe that a touch of mental illness can provide a positive creative "edge." I totally understand not wanting to trade the highs/lows of BPD for a flattened equilibrium that might affect your gifts of creative expression.

In conclusion... your friend's comments were uninformed and insensitive, and I love what I've read of your writing here on :ff:


*I am not considering the cat to be an "observer"