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livius drusus
11-15-2004, 02:41 PM
We've touched on gender analysis in several threads now, and I thought it might be useful to look at a sociological gender study in action. I haven't gotten the book yet, but here's (http://www.alternet.org/election04/20343/) an interesting interview with Stephen Ducat, psychology professor and author of The Wimp Factor: Gender Gaps, Holy Wars, and the Politics of Anxious Masculinity (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0807043443/qid=1100479695/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-8611658-6521763?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) which gives us something to sink our teeth into.

Ducat's basic thesis is:

The underlying premise of my book is that the most important thing about being a man is not being a woman. This imperative to be repudiate everything feminine – whether it's external or internal – is played out as much in politics as in personal life.

In politics – where there is an enormous potential for personal gain or ruin – what this leads to is a concerted effort on the part of candidates to disavow the feminine in themselves, and to project it on to their opponents.

He suggests that the prevailing notion of masculinity is one grounded in relational dominace: you're a man if you dominate the non-man (who might not necessarily be a woman).

Manhood for the ancient Greeks – just as it is for us – was a difficult and transient achievement. It wasn't the gender that you had sex with that determined your masculinity, but what position you occupied in a relationship of domination. If you were penetrated, you were rendered essentially a woman. If you were the penetrator, then you were the man. In a way, we still hold that definition.

An example of how this dynamic plays itself in the political arena is the equation of aristocratic mannerism with effeminacy; something Bush Sr. struggled with when his "Wimp Factor" made the cover of Newsweek, although the phenomenon is far older than GHWB.

In American politics – both in the 19th century and in the present – it is a short step from seeming gilded to looking gelded. So there is an effort to adopt a persona of primitive masculinity. And the important thing to remember is that this is a makeover of style and not of substance. These are still wealthy members of the ruling elite, but their class is now camouflaged by virtue of this re-masculinization.

Intellect - as demonstrated by careful thought and articulation - is somehow feminine (the irony is huge given how thousands of years of philosophy associated female with body and male with brain), particularly when compared to the extreme physicality of the hyper-masculine, so stereotypical notions of the hard fightin' "working class" are applied to candidates in order to make them come across as "one of the guys". Kerry's late hunting expeditions are an example of this, I think: an attempt to depict the smart guy as the man of action (complete with shotgun phallus ;)).

This is where his inarticulateness actually becomes an advantage – because in American culture, there is a disdain for intellectuality. And that disdain is a gendered disdain – men who are intellectual are seen as somehow less manly. And so if somebody speaks too well, or too articulate, his masculinity is called into question. That is why Kerry’s demeanor and facility with language has been problematic for him, while Bush’s dyslexia and inarticulateness and graceless use of language has actually been an advantage.

Ducat then moves on to the gender gap and how the emergence of a difference in male and female voting patterns has led to the gendering of certain issues. The examples he uses are of environmentalism being seen as a female issue, while an anti-regulatory position is a male one. Not that women are predominantly environmentalists or men predominantly anti-regulatory, mind you, but that the issues themselves become gendered. The environment is girly; small government is manly.

He notes that the gender gap appears not only in the decade following the feminist push for equal rights, but also following the defeat in Vietnam, an event of such cultural impact - particularly on the political stage - that the media even coins a term for it: Vietnam Syndrome.

We can understand the Vietnam Syndrome as a kind of wounded male self-esteem suffered by those who identify with a militarized nation-state and thereby feel humiliated vicariously in the defeat of the military in Vietnam.

Of course, in Vietnam, we weren’t just defeated by any enemy. We were defeated by an enemy that was largely viewed as somehow effeminate – you know, these little unmanly guys in black pajamas. They were constantly being derided in those terms, and yet they kicked America’s ass. And that was experienced as a profound humiliation.

It's a revved up, more Rambo than Rambo, version of this syndrome which descends upon the post 9/11 landscape.

So for a brief period of time, there’s this kind of humility that comes over the country, but it quickly produces a kind of hyper-masculine backlash. It’s the revivication of a kind of primitive masculinity – the numerous kind of Chippendale-style calendars of firemen and policemen, the kind of conventional male heroes, which of course politicians wanted to appropriate.
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You had all kinds of over-the-top, gushing encomia to this sort of post-9/11 revivified manhood. There was this special issue of the American Enterprise titled, “Real Men, They’re Back.” There was this article titled, “Return of Manly Leaders and the Americans Who Love Them.” There was even this contest where they had a chart of how Republicans and Democrats measured up and their conclusion was that to be a man you had to be a Republican.

That in turn feeds into the Bush administration's refusal to admit to error in Iraq. Admitting error is weak, collaboration or dependence is weak; real men neither eat quiche nor ask for directions, so clearly the administration's choices are manly, not obstinate.

To acknowledge a mistake, especially a mistake that involves failure to listen to advice – the proverbial refusal to ask for directions – imperils their manhood. And so, instead of this kind of behavior being pigheaded arrogance, it’s framed as manly resoluteness.

All in all, I found this an illuminating perspective and gender a useful prism through which to view politics both contemporary and historical. When I get the book I'll be better able to deal with methodological questions, but until then, I'd like to know what y'all think about Ducat's analysis. Does it ring true for you? Does it present something you've already encountered in a new light? Is it old news? Do you agree or disagree with a specific point or points?

Clutch Munny
11-15-2004, 08:26 PM
I think it's bloody interesting, and strikes a few chords with me.

I wonder, though, whether it tends towards the reductive. America's political fear and loathing of intellect, for example, might well be just a phenomenon unto itself; does it require explanation in terms of gender identification moreover?

dave_a
11-15-2004, 08:40 PM
I think it's bloody interesting, and strikes a few chords with me.

I wonder, though, whether it tends towards the reductive. America's political fear and loathing of intellect, for example, might well be just a phenomenon unto itself; does it require explanation in terms of gender identification moreover?

I guess I have never equated intellect with femininity or lack of manliness. I do perceive the stereotype of the never been laid, skinny, pimply faced nerd (who is often one of the brighter students) as being not as manly as the football player who gets a full scholarship to a great university even though he isn't the brightest bulb in the pack.

However, if we take an attractive, healthy, beer drinking, football loving man who is well educated, possesses a sound intellect and very successful in business I don't think that individual will be percieved as not manly regardless of his intellectual prowess.

I dunno, I don't have much to offer at this point on this subject, but something doesn't sit well with me about the argument. I think there is more to the perception of manliness or feminineness than intellect alone, but being the manly guy that I am I lack the intellect to express it at this time. Perhaps after a spell of getting in touch with my inner female I will be able to articulate something worthwhile. It might be awhile though because when my manliness connects with my inner female he sometimes has to first whack her over the head with a stick, drag her into the cave and have his way with her before meaningful communication can take place.

livius drusus
11-15-2004, 09:18 PM
I wonder, though, whether it tends towards the reductive. America's political fear and loathing of intellect, for example, might well be just a phenomenon unto itself; does it require explanation in terms of gender identification moreover?

I think it does tend to the reductive as a sole approach, but it adds a great deal of interest and nuance as part of a larger cultural examination. The example of anti-intellectualism is a good one. The association of intellect with the feminine is most definitely an insufficient analysis of the phenomenon, which, I would imagine, is complex enough to incorporate elements of class, religion, ethnicity, family structure, not to mention regional diversity, specific historial contexts, and about a hundred things I can't think of off the top of my head.

However, when looking at the imagery of the 2004 election, I find seeing how anti-intellectualism plays itself out in gendered terms a highly useful perspective. It casts a sharper light on scattered elements like Schwarzenegger's economic girly-men line, or the way in which the DNC chose to present Kerry as a warrior rather than a legislator.

viscousmemories
11-15-2004, 09:34 PM
It strikes a lot of chords with me, too. My life has been riddled with experiences (from the military, to jail, to working in a warehouse, etc.) where men reacted to any intellectual expressions with clear and obvious contempt. However often it was because said intellectual person was snooty about it. Like for example when a black kid insulted me in 5th grade and I mocked him for using a double negative in place of proper English, he "double negatived my ass" with repeated punches to the face after school. Or when I was in the Army and the officers were all regarded as girly-men and us enlisted folks "worked for a living".

Anyway it's all very interesting to me and intuitively sensible. Thanks for sharing. :yup:

Sweetie
11-15-2004, 10:06 PM
Ducat's basic thesis is:

The underlying premise of my book is that the most important thing about being a man is not being a woman. This imperative to be repudiate everything feminine – whether it's external or internal – is played out as much in politics as in personal life.

Why would they want to do that? Because it is weak to be female in some minds? But why is that? Because women are thought to be heart thinkers, they'll weaken easily when they need to be tough because of emotions so in that idea in some people's minds, women are the less intellectual of the two in this sense. They may be smart but are thought to be ruled by the heart. It's not necessarily true of course, but there it is.

In politics – where there is an enormous potential for personal gain or ruin – what this leads to is a concerted effort on the part of candidates to disavow the feminine in themselves, and to project it on to their opponents.

Which seems to imply that the other has a weakenss because of a feminitiy, as if to say that they will be strong when they need to be and not falter due to what they are feeling, basically do what needs to be done. Now in my life, the women I know in my family at least, are the ones that take this role primarily, but the men do too so it's not so cut and dried.

Manhood for the ancient Greeks – just as it is for us – was a difficult and transient achievement. It wasn't the gender that you had sex with that determined your masculinity, but what position you occupied in a relationship of domination. If you were penetrated, you were rendered essentially a woman. If you were the penetrator, then you were the man. In a way, we still hold that definition.

I think he tries to make it too simple. Whether I know whether or not someone is the penetrated or the penetrator, I can still see what I see as feminine or masculine characteristics and I have never seen it because of dominance. I do not assign masculine or feminine dependent upon dominance. After all, who is the power behind the throne? I would say masculine is the refusal to be dominated but that does not mean it is masculine to dominate.

Actually, that makes it a bit more difficult. Women are thought to be heart thinkers at the same time they are thought to dominate with their minds and bodies. Actually it seems that women, by their weakness are powerful, or their perceived to be weakness, even as regards their sexuality. It's actually one of man's weakest points and not woman's and most especially, not the intellectual woman's. I think the former survives more commonly undiluted perhaps because so few have encountered a powerful female or their power is often hard to recognize? It's a smart man who does recognize it at least.

Seems there is a contradiction but I'm not certain, lots of things of a subjective nature at least, and not of my experience.

In American politics – both in the 19th century and in the present – it is a short step from seeming gilded to looking gelded. So there is an effort to adopt a persona of primitive masculinity. And the important thing to remember is that this is a makeover of style and not of substance. These are still wealthy members of the ruling elite, but their class is now camouflaged by virtue of this re-masculinization.

This is where his inarticulateness actually becomes an advantage – because in American culture, there is a disdain for intellectuality. And that disdain is a gendered disdain – men who are intellectual are seen as somehow less manly. And so if somebody speaks too well, or too articulate, his masculinity is called into question. That is why Kerry’s demeanor and facility with language has been problematic for him, while Bush’s dyslexia and inarticulateness and graceless use of language has actually been an advantage.

So for a brief period of time, there’s this kind of humility that comes over the country, but it quickly produces a kind of hyper-masculine backlash. It’s the revivication of a kind of primitive masculinity – the numerous kind of Chippendale-style calendars of firemen and policemen, the kind of conventional male heroes, which of course politicians wanted to appropriate.
[...]
You had all kinds of over-the-top, gushing encomia to this sort of post-9/11 revivified manhood. There was this special issue of the American Enterprise titled, “Real Men, They’re Back.” There was this article titled, “Return of Manly Leaders and the Americans Who Love Them.” There was even this contest where they had a chart of how Republicans and Democrats measured up and their conclusion was that to be a man you had to be a Republican.

That in turn feeds into the Bush administration's refusal to admit to error in Iraq. Admitting error is weak, collaboration or dependence is weak; real men neither eat quiche nor ask for directions, so clearly the administration's choices are manly, not obstinate.

Perhaps it's just simply that real politicians don't. You have to walk a fine line, it is smart to do so. As much as we would like to think that if they were honest and upfront, that we would be forgiving, it's not true, it doesn't seem to work that way, as if we could trust them more then. It seems to be then they must be out the door, and a new one who has no stains at present is accepted. Why? Because he hasn't laid it all out on the table. It's a game, a dirty one. I don't honestly think they'd really survive without playing by the rules.

Adora
11-16-2004, 01:53 AM
Liv: A few questions about the book. Does he address multiple masculinities? Does he claim that this is universal, or culturally based? What does he base his claims on? Interviews, cultural study, observance data?

Does he address the deeper social reasons why voter issues are gendered? I mean, it's fairly obvious to anyone who understands the way issues such as environment and economic power affect the two genders because of the way genders are constructed, but does he go into it?

Anyway, probably the most important questions out of the lot is the multiple-masculinities and culturally-based ones, because these are serious issues that have to be addressed when writing about gender. It all sounds rather simplistic to me ¬_¬.

Re American Election: One of the overarching discourses that seemed to dictate it was the increasing Militarisation of the US nation (which is then imposed on the rest of the world). In my country, even though we are still technically "at war" with troops in Iraq, the biggest issue was the economy (playing into voters selfish desires with lies) so things like intelligence and strength of character and ability to handle an economy (ie- intellectual economic skills) were Teh Issues. You could call this a middle/upper class facet of masculinities, which is economic power over others. The US, on the other hand, didn't address issues such as this and instead played into a very working-class facet of masculinities, which is power through physical strength and lack of intellect. Which is a very interesting phenomena considering the masculinities of those governing the US people are staunchly upperclass. Yeah, even Condoleeza Rice's masculinity *snicker*.

Adam
11-16-2004, 04:27 PM
What does he base his claims on? Interviews, cultural study, observance data?

This was my main question after reading the interview. Everything he says make internal sense, once you decide that his theory is an appropriate lense through which to view American politics, but he doesn't say anything in it to make me think that his version of gender theory is, indeed, an appropriate lense through which to view Americna politics. Of course, interviews are necessarily brief overviews of a person's position, and I obviously haven't read the book, so it's quite possible that he provides this justification there.

livius drusus
11-16-2004, 05:36 PM
I had those same questions myself, Adora and Adam. I've ordered the book but haven't received it yet. As soon as I have some answers I'll be sure to post them.

Clutch Munny
11-16-2004, 10:02 PM
This sort of thesis is always going to have to offer itself as "inference to the best explanation".

I.e.,

First, does the thesis have enough independent evidence to motivate an exploration of the consequences of its truth? (Normally a degree of evidence falling far short of that required to judge the thesis warranted outright.)

Then, on the assumption that the thesis is true, do we gain some explanation, some insight, some predictive power, that we did not otherwise have?

Adora
11-16-2004, 11:11 PM
Everything he says make internal sense, once you decide that his theory is an appropriate lense through which to view American politics...
This is what worries me. Because gender is constructed in Western society as essential (which, of course, is contradictory if it is a constructed essentialism) it's very hard for people to distance themselves from their internal feelings towards the subject which have been constructed in this way. That's why I am questioning the fact it makes "internal sense", since that sense is not always the most reliable source of external objective proof of theories.