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California Tanker
11-15-2006, 01:05 AM
This one probably hasn't as much as raised a ripple outside of the Bay Area, but there's plenty of finger-pointing going on.

There are three sagas going on at the same time.

The easy one is over in Oakland. The Oakland A's have decided this week that they're moving about 30 miles South, leaving the Oracle Colliseum and building a new Cisco Stadium in the town of Fremont. They cite a lack of suitable land for new stadium construction, and financial issues with Oakland. Nobody knows what they'll be called yet, the "Fremont A's" doesn't sound right, and the "Bay A's" sounds even worse! Cue lots of complaints from Oakland residents to the Oakland city council.

San Francisco, on the other hand, is a political mess. There were two big sporting negotiations going on: There was the bid to host the Olympics in 2016, and there was also the renewal of the San Francisco 49ers.

Well, the 49ers announced this week that they're moving about 30 miles South as well, to build a new stadium in Santa Clara. This wasn't the worst of it, though. It seems that the San Francisco Olympic Bid was relying on the 49ers renewing their contract on Candlestick Park (I refuse to call it Monster Park), and building a new stadium on that site. With this new, high capacity stadium, they would have a suitable location for the ceremonies and track/field. Well, though the SF Olympic Committee kept cautioning San Francisco that the 49ers deal was far from certain and that they needed to come up with a backup plan, it seems they didn't. Suddenly the SF Olympic Bid is collapsing. (And with it, Mayor Gavin Newsom's dreams of legacy, I would wager). Now it's getting dirty. The City is now looking at legal and legislative options to make, as the Mayor said on the radio, "it as difficult as possible for the 49ers to move." They've apparently got Senator Feinstein on board as well, she has said she is going to try to introduce legislation into Congress with the same effect. Apparently one of the primary arguments they are going to make is over the team name. Although the Dodgers can go from New York to L.A. without problem, the 49ers are going to be legislatively mandated to stay in San Francisco, as '49ers' is "identified with San Francisco, as that's how many square miles the city is." They're also going to try playing hardball on the 4-year-gap between the 2008 expiration on the Monster Park lease with the 2012 estimate of the opening of the new stadium.

You'd think our legislative masters would have some more pressing issues to deal with.

Ah, heck. I don't follow sports anyway. Except Formula 1 and the World Cup, I guess.

NTM

TomJoe
11-15-2006, 01:44 AM
San Francisco is only 49 square miles? :chin: That's a mighty small city.

And this entire time, I thought a 49'er was a gold prospector, who joined the gold rush in *gasp* 1849.

godfry n. glad
11-15-2006, 02:21 AM
Municipalities need to stop pandering to professional sports teams. As long as they continue, they will place themselves in line for future extortion. No question. These franchises often have more disposable income for things like massive stadiums than do municipalities.

The question is now: Will SF and Oakland learn anything from this, or just go about soliciting for new franchises by which their taxpayers can be fleeced?

California Tanker
11-15-2006, 02:30 AM
Gold Rush was 1876. That's why the petrol company is called '76'

NTM

TomJoe
11-15-2006, 02:43 AM
Gold Rush was 1876. That's why the petrol company is called '76'

NTM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Gold_Rush

The Gold Rush started in January 1848 ...

and

By the beginning of 1849, word of the Gold Rush had spread around the world, and an overwhelming number of gold-seekers and merchants began to arrive from virtually every continent.

TomJoe
11-15-2006, 02:49 AM
The question is now: Will SF and Oakland learn anything from this, or just go about soliciting for new franchises by which their taxpayers can be fleeced?

How many times have the Raiders left (and returned) to Oakland? I imagine Oakland (at least) will learn nothing from this.

ms_ann_thrope
11-15-2006, 04:39 AM
The city proper of San Francisco *is* approximately 49 square miles in size (actually, more like 47), but the football team was definitely named for the gold prospectors of 1849.

The CA Gold Rush began in 1848 and ended around 1856. Are you sure that Union Oil didn't name their gasoline brand '76' in honor of 1776? Either for the signing of the Declaration of Independence, or for the establishment of the Presidio in CA?

Re: the Raiders, I believe this is only the second time they have left Oakland...
Oakland > Los Angeles > Oakland > Fremont

Angakuk
11-15-2006, 04:55 AM
Gold Rush was 1876. That's why the petrol company is called '76'

NTM
Star Oil Works struck its first producing oil well at the Pico #4 location in Pico Canyon in September 1876. Thus initiating a new kind of gold rush. I presume that the 76 on the Union Oil Company signs celebrates this pivotal event in the history of the California oil industry. Could be it has nothing to do with that event and instead commemorates 1776 and the origin of the Union. Star Oil Works went on to become the Chevron Oil Company whose Star emblem reflects the original Star Oil Works.

With regard to the OP. I think Oakland and San Francisco should tell the A's (or the Raiders or whichever it is) and the 49ers to take a hike and replace both of them with rugby teams. Or maybe curling teams.

Ari
11-15-2006, 05:05 AM
What godfry said.
Sacramento is having a similar issue. The Kings (basketball) want a new stadium and just recently the city asked the people and local businesses to help pay for it even though there was no real plan and no commitment from the kings (after local businesses pay for part of the stadium the owners want a vendor monopoly or some such garbage). The measures failed miserably, and most figure the Kings are going to move.

Edit to add: There was a whole big flap over it because the city tried to hide their dealings from the voters while asking the voters to finance it.

godfry n. glad
11-15-2006, 05:06 AM
Star Oil Works went on to become the Chevron Oil Company whose Star emblem reflects the original Star Oil Works.

Um...Texaco has the star emblem. Chevron, for some reason, uses three chevrons. One each, red, white and blue.

godfry n. glad
11-15-2006, 05:11 AM
What godfry said.
Sacramento is having a similar issue. The Kings (basketball) want a new stadium and just recently the city asked the people and local businesses to help pay for it even though there was no real plan and no commitment from the kings (after local businesses pay for part of the stadium the owners want a vendor monopoly or some such garbage). The measures failed miserably, and most figure the Kings are going to move.

Yeah... Seattle's going through the whole thing with the Sonics, their NBA franchise.

Having been around a few years, I've seen these kind of "extort and shuffle" deals go on over and over. If municipalities would just resist the extortion, pro teams would locate where they have the market and can afford the amenities that might be provided, at a charge, by the local governments.

No tax forgiveness. No tax abatements. No subsidies.

Angakuk
11-15-2006, 05:19 AM
Godfry, you are right of course and the star probably has nothing to do with Star Oil Works. More likely it reflects the Lone Star state. However, it just so happens that Chevron is now the parent company of Chevron, Texaco and Caltex. Anyway, one is bound to make the occasional mistake when making shit up.

Dingfod
11-15-2006, 01:21 PM
Chevron is the made-up-in-the-60s name of Standard Oil of California. What eventually became Chevron got it's start as Pacific Coast Oil Company, organized in 1879 by the small refiner Star Oil Works and a larger group of investors Star's founders put together.

76 or Union 76 was the retail division of Union Oil of California, organized in 1890, different deal altogether, at least until Chevron-Texaco merged with Union 76 in 2004. Currently, Conoco-Phillips owns the 76 trademark.