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livius drusus
01-25-2007, 02:50 PM
The Palatine is a mess (http://ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2007-01-23_12335684.html), and it has been for a long time. Despite its fabled array of ancient palaces -- including the home of Augustus and Livia -- the hill has not been maintained effectively and is currently on the verge of collapse.

"Things have been scatter-shot up till now. Too many fingers in too many dykes," Croci said.

But culture minister Rutelli is looking to change all that with a comprehensive restoration plan that would shore up the structural integrity of the entire hill as well as the historical and architectural wonders perched thereupon.

They're even considering restoring an ancient sewer (http://www.livescience.com/history/070124_ap_palatine_hill.html) to help drain the waterlogged hill, an idea I personally love. Hey, the place wasn't about to come tumbling down when that sewer was built. Those Romans knew how to engineer a city hellabetter than a lot of the Romans who came after them.

In related knews, they might have find the Lupercal, the cave where the wolf was said to have suckled Romulus and Remus and where Brutus thrice presented Caesar a kingly crown which he did thrice refuse, while they were restoring Augustus and Livia's palace.

Irene Iacopi, the archaeologist in charge of the Palatine and the nearby Roman Forum, said experts used a probe to peer into the 52-foot-deep cavity and found a vaulted space decorated with frescoes, niches and seashells. It is too early to say for sure whether the worship place known as “lupercale''— from “lupa,'' Latin for wolf — has been found, but Roman texts say that it was close to Augustus' palace and that the emperor had restored it, Iacopi said.

“It was a very important symbolic place and we believe that it was well preserved,'' said Giovanna Tedone, an architect leading the work at the palace. Archaeologists are now looking for the grotto's entrance, she said.

I don't know why these reports are so dismissive of tourist stamina, though. So it's a steep hill, big damn deal. Tourists in Rome, in my experience, spend whole days trudging up, down and over pretty much everything. The Palatine isn't underexplored because tourists are wussies; it's underexplored because walls collapse all the time and none of the good stuff is open.

MonCapitan2002
01-26-2007, 05:45 AM
Damn. I was going to start a thread on goings on at the Palatine Hill. I found this article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070124/ap_on_sc/italy_ailing_rome_6) discussing the prospect of the Lupercal being found. It will be interesting what can be learned from the place if it is indeed what they think it is.

If I ever get to visit Rome, one of the first places I would check out is the Palatine Hill. I would definitely want to check out the fabled cave.

livius drusus
11-21-2007, 06:43 PM
Bumperation because the first pictures of the potential Lupercal have been released. See article about film of the cavern ceiling here: Rome uncovers its founding moment (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2214553,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=travel).

Notice the white eagle in the center of the mosaic. That's one of the indicators that it may be the Lupercal because according to some secondary sources, Augustus added the white imperial eagle symbol at the apex of the dome.

From the AP (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jO8ePbIxuhDXO1o4UUCzMsVrGDmAD8T1G1CG1):
http://www.freethought-forum.com/livius/cavern.jpg

From the NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/21/world/europe/21rome.html?ref=europe):
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/21/world/21ROME.LARGE2.jpg

Leesifer
11-21-2007, 07:09 PM
Stunning!

curses
11-21-2007, 09:40 PM
Wow! Oh to be able to stand under that ceiling and study all the images on it.:pipedream:

livius drusus
11-21-2007, 11:46 PM
Wouldn't that be something? It won't be feasible even for the archaeologists for years, though. Most of the cave is filled with dirt, and they haven't even figured out how to begin excavations without risking damage to the other historical structures on the hill.

I'm just delighted the probe was able to get such marvelous images and that what's there is in such great condition.

erimir
11-22-2007, 02:56 AM
"Things have been scatter-shot up till now. Too many fingers in too many dykes," Croci said.I don't think lesbian sex has anything to do with it! :hmph:

Dingfod
11-22-2007, 03:06 AM
I've had my fingers in a couple of dykes. Stop me if I've told this joke before.

I've also had my fingers around a few dykes (https://www.creativeglassguild.co.uk/catalog/images/lead_web/lead_dykes_wleaddykes.jpg).

livius drusus
11-24-2007, 05:58 PM
Prominent archaeologists says they all tripping (http://in.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idINN2331072520071123), and the article actually cites his sources instead of vaguely referring to "ancient documents".

La Regina, who pointed to a description of the Lupercale given by Greek historian Dionysius of Halicarnassus in his major work on early Roman history, "Roman Antiquities."

Dionysius said the Lupercale, which draws its name from the Latin word for wolf, was close to the Temple of Victory, also on the Palatine Hill, while the cave unveiled this week was found near the Temple of Apollo.

"If this were the Lupercale, Dionysius would have surely mentioned the Temple of Apollo, which was much bigger and more famous than the Temple of Victory," said La Regina.

He said the mosaics and other decorations found in the cave were typical of Nero's era and its structure similar to a grotto found in the emperor's new palace, the lavish Domus Aurea (House of Gold) he built after his first mansion went up in flames.

livius drusus
11-30-2007, 04:24 PM
Spiegel Online lays out the controversy (http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,520440,00.html).

The roof of the chamber is encrusted with seashells, marble and pumice stones, with mosaics visible in a number of places. There are rectangular panels filled with diamond shapes and flowers. Such ornate decorations were typical of the private chambers of nobles at the end of the Roman Republic, around 50 BC.

By contrast, the holy Lupercale resembled a dark and gloomy rock shrine. Candles flickered there, and priests guarded the entrance. Ancient documents report that a large bronze she-wolf with bared teeth stood in the interior.

Every year on Feb. 15, a wild ceremony was held in the cave to honor a faun, a type of Roman deity. At the height of the orgy, the temple guardians would slaughter a billy goat, skin it, and hit the women standing there with the bloody pieces of fur. It was believed that this would make them pure and fertile.

This brutal ceremony does not match well with the refined decorations of the cavern. "You would expect a significantly different type of décor in a public religious space," says Hesberg, the German archaeologist. And there is no indication of sacral objects. The camera probes have been unable to spot any ritual vessels or an altar.

Read the whole article. It's really good.