Hardee's says f*** you to health food fad

[Shake]

... with it's new Monster Thickburger (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6498304/)! :eek: :eek: :eek:
two 1/3-pound slabs of Angus beef, four strips of bacon, three slices of cheese and mayonnaise on a buttered sesame seed bun
Arteries. Clogging. Just. Reading. That.

My co-worker found this great line in the article:"Probably no nutritionist ever imagined that a product like this would be marketed."
Here is a link from Yahoo! (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ydownload_apgraphics/20041206/photos_net_ap_gr_ts/1102368855&e=10&ncid=1778) with a graphic showing a comparison to BK's Double Whopper w/ cheese, and McDonald's Double Quarter Pounder w/ cheese. Again, I have to say: :eek:

[livius drusus]

Oh man, I think I'm gonna boot just from reading the description. I don't even want to imagine how my intestines would react to ingesting such a disgusting combination. :puke:

/me hates mayo and bacon

[Goliath]

Years ago, we (some friends of mine and I) came up with a true artery-clogging burger...I forget what we called it, but it consisted of:

Two cows of beef.
Eight pigs of bacon.
and four wheels of cheese.

:D

[godfry n. glad]

Hey, hey, now...

Let's not get too righteous. If you throw away the bun, the damned thing would probably fit right into the prevailing diet craze: Atkins.

Wouldn't it?

godfry

[Beth]

Sad, though, kids will probably order them too. My son is trim and atheletic but tries to get away with these types of burgers. Either my MIL or my hubby will probably buy him one. Over 1,400 calories and 100 grams of fat. Man bad stuff. Oh well, without the bun, it is very Atkins friendly.

edit:Oops, Godfrey beat me to it!

[livius drusus]

As if I needed another reason to avoid Atkins. Any diet that gives the thumbs up to mayo and mutliple rashers of bacon is not for me.

[wei yau]

* livius drusus hates mayo and bacon

Oh man. First, white chocolate and now bacon?

It's like I don't know who you are anymore. I suspect a pod person.

Bacon is nature's most perfect food. Salty, greasy and delicious.

Look at how happy Rebecca is with a piece of bacon in her grubby little hand. That's gotta be good stuff.

[Godless Dave]

Mm, sounds delicious!

No wonder I'm fat.

[Bella]

I'm always surprised at how many calories can be packed into one little sandwich. At B&N we have this new "healthy" wrap sandwich - organic wheat wrap, 99% fat-free turkey, cheese, and herb aioli. Oh, and it's got 42 grams of fat...in one half of the sandwich.

[godfry n. glad]

Mm, sounds delicious!

No wonder I'm fat.

Man... GD, you gotta get rid of the bun!

godfry

[godfry n. glad]

I'm always surprised at how many calories can be packed into one little sandwich. At B&N we have this new "healthy" wrap sandwich - organic wheat wrap, 99% fat-free turkey, cheese, and herb aioli. Oh, and it's got 42 grams of fat...in one half of the sandwich.

Most of that has got to be in the cheese and aioli.

And, liv, does aioli count as mayonaisse in your book?

godfry

[wildernesse]

* livius drusus hates mayo and bacon

Oh man. First, white chocolate and now bacon?

It's like I don't know who you are anymore. I suspect a pod person.

Bacon is nature's most perfect food. Salty, greasy and delicious.

Look at how happy Rebecca is with a piece of bacon in her grubby little hand. That's gotta be good stuff.


You know you totally posted on this thread to show how absolutely adorable Rebecca is. And she is! I made RA come look at her, she's so cute.

[dave_a]

I read an article about the Monster burger yesterday after not eating breakfast or lunch. I went out and got one right away.

Let me tell you it was one good burger.

I don't recommend them for those who are trying to lose weight or anything, but if you want something that tastes good and will fill you up, this burger is the ticket.

I was quite impressed with it.

You can put me down as one who doesn't buy into the 'fat is bad' group. I don't eat sweets and eat processed flour type stuff only occasionally. My diet consists of meat, meat, cheese, vegetables and fruit and nuts for the most part. Mayonaise and cream cheese are 2 of my favorite food groups.

I am about 20lbs heavier than I consider optimal, but that occured after I turned 30 and also coincided roughly with my taking a desk job rather than a physically active job. In the past I have done the atkins thing and lost 30 lbs in 30 days. My cholesterol is normal and my overall health good.

So, I don't worry about yummy burgers high in fat being bad for me.

Some might just say I am ignorant, but if so then it is true that ignorance is bliss.

[Beth]

I'm a little chubby. I can just imagine a couple bites of that sandwich causing the fat cells to plump up even more.

Bree, is that Barnes and Noble? Cuz if it is, thank you for the heads up, I won't buy lunch there next time I'm in. Sushi anyone? (If someone tells me wasabi is fattening, I think I might cry.)

[dave_a]

I'm a little chubby. I can just imagine a couple bites of that sandwich causing the fat cells to plump up even more.

Bree, is that Barnes and Noble? Cuz if it is, thank you for the heads up, I won't buy lunch there next time I'm in. Sushi anyone? (If someone tells me wasabi is fattening, I think I might cry.)

In all seriousness I think that what causes a person to gain weight varies from one person to the next.

I tend to agree with the Atkins stuff in that I do not view calories to be a good indicator of whether one will gain weight or not, rather it is what are those calories from. When I did the atkins thing and lost 30lbs in 30 days I was eating less than 10g of carbs per day the whole time, but I was also eating like a pig and I am certain my calorie intake was higher than normal because I was free to slather my bacon with mayonaise and did so.

I think there are some obvious things to stay away from when it comes to avoiding weight gain like sugar containing stuff and chips and all that highly processed stuff, but beyond that I think it just depends on what your metabolism is efficient at processing and what it isn't.

I can drink rum and diet cokes all day long and not gain weight, but beer causes my weight to increase rapidly.

Also I weighed myself this morning (as I do most mornings) and I lost a pound. Yesterday is the day I ate the yummy monster burger from Hardees. I didn't have any fries or soda with it. If I did have the fries and a non diet soda I probably would have been a pound heavier rather than lighter this morning.

[Beth]

I can do Atkins and have lost weight, but it really screwed me up. It triggered a bout of non eating because my mind is simply fucked up. Also, when I did eat anything with more than a few carbs, I would become very ill from the sugar imbalance in my system.

I prefer eating regular stuff now, non greasy, except for the occasional buttery sumthin.

Anyway, that burger reminds me of a BLT from my childhood and one I make only on rare occasions and my children beg for.
Two buttered slices of toast covered with the lettuce, a tomato, four strips of bacon, a fried egg, and a slice of Merkin cheese. Yummy. I adopted it for meself as just a tomato and lettuce sandwich with buttered bread. My butter side is out though. That way I taste the fat and savour it, rather than hide it away.

[livius drusus]

Oh man. First, white chocolate and now bacon?

It's like I don't know who you are anymore. I suspect a pod person.

Bacon is nature's most perfect food. Salty, greasy and delicious.

Bacon reeks. If I wanted to smell frying pork fat I'd move next door to a rendering plant. In a world with Prosciutto di Parma, why oh why must we put up with bacon?

Look at how happy Rebecca is with a piece of bacon in her grubby little hand. That's gotta be good stuff.

Now I call that child abuse. Why don't you drive off with her still on the hood too? Poor child.

[livius drusus]

And, liv, does aioli count as mayonaisse in your book?

Aioli gets a buy. It is, in fact, the only form of mayo I find acceptable, even delicious when done right.

I made my own mayo once using buttermilk, eggs and dry mustard. It was not only lower in fat than regular, but quite thoroughly delicious. When I turned it into aioli, however, it became sublime.

[dave_a]

Bacon reeks. If I wanted to smell frying pork fat I'd move next door to a rendering plant. In a world with Prosciutto di Parma, why oh why must we put up with bacon?


Boy, first no cilantro and now no bacon. You obviously have a serious predjudice against things that taste and smell good. A TTTASG predjudice.

What's up with all those dago words for the food you like? I am italian meself (half anyway) and I don't know what most of the stuff you mention is. You must come from that part of Italy that doesn't like real food :D

Mmmmm... I am heading off to fry some bacon, slather it with full fat mayo and perhaps cover it with some yummy cilantro containing salsa.

Hell, maybe I will just throw it all into a blender and drink it with some vodka added. Now that's good eatin.

[livius drusus]

Boy, first no cilantro and now no bacon. You obviously have a serious predjudice against things that taste and smell good. A TTTASG predjudice.

It's called having a palate, dave dear. You should look into it.

What's up with all those dago words for the food you like? I am italian meself (half anyway) and I don't know what most of the stuff you mention is. You must come from that part of Italy that doesn't like real food :D

I think you and I both know there is no such part. I weep for the loss of your roots, however. Poor, poor Italian-Americans. You have my deepest condolences.

Mmmmm... I am heading off to fry some bacon, slather it with full fat mayo and perhaps cover it with some yummy cilantro containing salsa.

Hell, maybe I will just throw it all into a blender and drink it with some vodka added. Now that's good eatin.

I beg you to seek professional help. If not a psychiatrist than at least a chef.

[wei yau]

Bacon reeks. If I wanted to smell frying pork fat I'd move next door to a rendering plant. In a world with Prosciutto di Parma, why oh why must we put up with bacon?

Mmmmm...scent of frying pork fat :homdrool:

Now, you got a point about prosciutto. Love that stuff. Love cerrano ham, too.

Now I call that child abuse. Why don't you drive off with her still on the hood too? Poor child.

She's definitely daddy's girl. Loves all pork products. I've even got her to gnaw on ham bones. I love her so.

[Dingfod]

Gotta question the thread title: There's a health food fad?

[godfry n. glad]

Gotta question the thread title: There's a health food fad?

But of course, Warren, silly boy.

Haven't you noticed that you can now get a diet beverage with your Monster Thickburger?

godfry

[dave_a]

Gotta question the thread title: There's a health food fad?

Among the hoitytoitie crowd I suppose. I generally use that crowd's condemnations as a guide to good eatin.

I'm telling you folks, I ate that monster burger yesterday and there just isn't another FF (fast food) burger on the market that rivals it. Eating it was a deeply satisfying, not quite, but almost orgasm inducing experience.

It is that good.

I am getting hungry again just thinking about the blended mayonaise and fat juices dripping out of it with each bite. Next time I will proably get some fries and eat the burger over the fries so the drippins don't go to waste.

[Dingfod]

We used to joke about that when we'd order a gazillion calorie Crown Burger with a diet soda. Just think though, cut out that 24 oz. sugar water and you've cut calories by about 200. Gotta cut back where you can.

[livius drusus]

I am getting hungry again just thinking about the blended mayonaise and fat juices dripping out of it with each bite. Next time I will proably get some fries and eat the burger over the fries so the drippins don't go to waste.

So you actually want me to projectile vomit. Have some mercy on my tender stomach, you brute.

[Godless Dave]

Mayonaisse on a fried egg & bacon sandwich (with cheese) is where it's really at.

[livius drusus]

/me curls up in a ball and keens

[Shake]

Mmmm! That sounds good, GD!

Warren, the whole reason I mention the health food fad is in part due to something mentioned in one of the stories I read about this burger. They were talking about how it was interesting that Hardee's was introducing this item when places like BK and McD's are putting out salads, low-carb items, etc.

Oh yeah, speaking of bacon ... this is just for you, liv ... we'd had some friends over for brunch the day after Turkey Day and cooked up a shitload of bacon. There was a good deal left over and my wife put it in a little container in the fridge. A few days later, I happened upon the bacon and took a piece or two and just ate it cold. To my surprise, I rather liked it that way! I finished off what was left!

[godfry n. glad]

Proscuitto is nothing but ham with a pretentious name.

Aioli is nothing but mayonaisse with a lot of garlic, and a pretentious name.

I think I'm beginning to see a trend here...."having a palate" means renaming one's foodstuffs with pretentious dago names. That's all.

:heckled:

godfry

[wei yau]

* livius drusus curls up in a ball and keens

Sad, really. Bacon and mayo withdrawal symptoms. One BLT sandwich and you'll be right as rain.

Come on. You know you want one. First one is free.

[Godless Dave]

For Christmas breakfast two years ago my sister did something with bacon where she cooked it with brown sugar. The result was thick, crusty, and delicious.

[livius drusus]

Proscuitto is nothing but ham with a pretentious name.

You lie like a dog.

Aioli is nothing but mayonaisse with a lot of garlic, and a pretentious name.

And lemon juice.

I think I'm beginning to see a trend here...."having a palate" means renaming one's foodstuffs with pretentious dago names. That's all.

Meanie.

:heckled:

Oh please. You're not getting off that easily. :rock: :slapface: and a :spank: for good measure.

[Adora]

two 1/3-pound slabs of Angus beef, four strips of bacon, three slices of cheese and mayonnaise on a buttered sesame seed bun

Fuck the health shit, that just sounds like it would taste utterly disgusting. Yuck. How can you call that a burger? It has no lettuce. It has no tomato sauce. It has no beetroot. Tis no burger. Pfff.

I can do Atkins and have lost weight, but it really screwed me up. It triggered a bout of non eating because my mind is simply fucked up. Also, when I did eat anything with more than a few carbs, I would become very ill from the sugar imbalance in my system.

Which I'm told is a common complaint post-Atkins. I mean, what the fuck do you expect when you drive your body to such extremes? It's common bloody sense you're going to have to cop the consequences when you do start eating healthy again. Fucking fad diet shit...

Actually, I'm really surprised at how much bacon some people eat. I have it maybe... *thinks* once every month and a half or so. Sometimes in fried rice, sometimes for breakfast, but never every week. If I do have it for breakfast, it's usually for a weekend brunch or something, when I can also spend the rest of the day lying around feeling slightly squickish because I'm really not used to ingesting that much fat or meat products for breakfast.

Blame my parents for raising my on fatless chicken breasts, bread, assloads of vegetables and fruits, and the good old Weetbix and Vegemite. I just don't do fatty foods. They taste blegh, and make me feel sick.

[dave_a]

I can do Atkins and have lost weight, but it really screwed me up. It triggered a bout of non eating because my mind is simply fucked up. Also, when I did eat anything with more than a few carbs, I would become very ill from the sugar imbalance in my system.

Which I'm told is a common complaint post-Atkins. I mean, what the fuck do you expect when you drive your body to such extremes? It's common bloody sense you're going to have to cop the consequences when you do start eating healthy again. Fucking fad diet shit...

Actually I think the problem isn't from doing the atkins thing, it is from eating things that screw with blood sugar levels. One of the claims of the Atkins system is that people who develop diabetes as adults can often reverse it and no longer have diabetes after being on an atkins style diet for awhile. If you consider the diet folks with diabetes are put on by their doctors, it is very similar to an atkins diet.

My conclusion is that it is the processed carbs in the form of junk flour and sugar that is responsible for much of adult onset diabetes. That shit is known to wreak havoc with blood sugar levels.

As an analogy that isn't at all medically correct I would compare it to smoking cigarettes. Everyone knows it isn't healthy, but if you quit smoking for a month and then have a cigarette, you are going to get light headed and possibly nauseous whereas a pack a day smoker isn't going to feel that way at all. It isn't not smoking (not eating the junk carbs) that is unhealthy, it is smoking (eating the junk carbs).

I think Dr. Atkins did a favor for the world by taking on the conventional dietary wisdom and showing the ill effects of carbs, particularly the junk carbs. Without exception every adult I know who has developed diabetes, and unfortunately there are a number of them, has a junk carb tooth and is overweight by more than a few dozen pounds. And without exception their doctors have put them on low carb diets.

[Beth]

I have usually eaten healthy. I have low blood sugar and I did the diet. Not a good thing to do. Besides, I could never eat the beef stuff. I ate tons of fish and chicken and nuts and low carb veggies.

The stuff in question that made me ill was stuff like whole bread, fruits, anything with honey. Things that before the diet I could eat.

[Adora]

My conclusion is that it is the processed carbs in the form of junk flour and sugar that is responsible for much of adult onset diabetes. That shit is known to wreak havoc with blood sugar levels.

I find this interesting, actually. Apparently there's new research into the balance (or lack of) in people's diets of Omega 3 fatty acids vs Omega 6 (those found in most meat products and staples of Western diets) . I'm looking for a link now... *scrolls through pages upon pages of Vitamin supplement ads* Ugh, stupid ads. Er, I'll get back to you on this...

[dave_a]

My conclusion is that it is the processed carbs in the form of junk flour and sugar that is responsible for much of adult onset diabetes. That shit is known to wreak havoc with blood sugar levels.

I find this interesting, actually. Apparently there's new research into the balance (or lack of) in people's diets of Omega 3 fatty acids vs Omega 6 (those found in most meat products and staples of Western diets) . I'm looking for a link now... *scrolls through pages upon pages of Vitamin supplement ads* Ugh, stupid ads. Er, I'll get back to you on this...

As I recall Atkins showed the correlation between a culture's rise in heart disease, diabetes and obesity and the beginning of that culture adopting processed sugar and flour into thier diet.

I realize that correlation is not causation, but the correlation was strong enough to be persuasive.

[Petra]

You want fries with that?



/me chews gum open-mouthed, looks bored at y'all, and gets her pencil and notepad ready...

[godfry n. glad]

If you consider the diet folks with diabetes are put on by their doctors, it is very similar to an atkins diet.

I don't think so, dave.

I'm a diabetic, type II, non-insulin-dependent. I'm on a controlled diet and glucophage medication. I have a busriding buddy who is a nurse at university hospital. He is a research subject on a university sponsored controlled nutrition research testing of the Atkins diet. His diet seems nothing like mine. My issue is the intake of controlled (smaller) portions of carbohydrates over smaller time periods (meaning four meals and two snacks) and increasing my activity level. He gets exceedingly small portions of carbohydrates (if any) and huge amounts of protein. I consume more vegetable matter than he does on his controlled portions.

For me to adopt an Atkins diet would be foolhardy. Seems to me I'd send myself into low-blood sugar hypoglycemia. I've been there and it's not particularly fun.

godfry

[godfry n. glad]

My conclusion is that it is the processed carbs in the form of junk flour and sugar that is responsible for much of adult onset diabetes. That shit is known to wreak havoc with blood sugar levels.

I find this interesting, actually. Apparently there's new research into the balance (or lack of) in people's diets of Omega 3 fatty acids vs Omega 6 (those found in most meat products and staples of Western diets) . I'm looking for a link now... *scrolls through pages upon pages of Vitamin supplement ads* Ugh, stupid ads. Er, I'll get back to you on this...

As I recall Atkins showed the correlation between a culture's rise in heart disease, diabetes and obesity and the beginning of that culture adopting processed sugar and flour into thier diet.

I realize that correlation is not causation, but the correlation was strong enough to be persuasive.

How does it show that correlation? I'd think you could pretty easily link it to the inexpensive and readily available deep fried foods....notably french fries. Carbohydrates deep fried (originally in lard) and then drenched in salt before being consumed.

Processed sugar and flour ain't great, but I'd like to see how deep fried foods stack up.

I can eat processed sugar and flour and not gain weight, but once I start eating french fries (with the obligatory double cheese burger and chocolate shake, of course), fried chicken, donuts, corn dogs and jumbo fried shrimp, I was on the road to perdition. The pounds piled on.

godfry

[The Lone Ranger]

I saw Super Size Me this weekend. A truly frightening movie!


On the dvd extras, they show an "experiment" they did; they took some McDonald's french fries and put them into a glass container to see what would happen to them over time. After 8 friggin' weeks the things looked just like they had on the day they were made. Not so much as a spot of mold on 'em. I don't eat non-biodegradable "food".

Cheers,

Michael

[livius drusus]

How about gorgonzola? ;)

[dave_a]

As I recall Atkins showed the correlation between a culture's rise in heart disease, diabetes and obesity and the beginning of that culture adopting processed sugar and flour into thier diet.

I realize that correlation is not causation, but the correlation was strong enough to be persuasive.

How does it show that correlation? I'd think you could pretty easily link it to the inexpensive and readily available deep fried foods...

The way it showed the correlation was by comparing the rate of various ailments such as those I mentioned with the date processed sugar began being used in the culture. The timing of the increase of those ailments coincided neatly with the timing of the introduction of refined sugar.

I am not vouching for it as I lack any qualifications to speak confidently on medical matters, I am just relating what I read.

As for your diet I can't speak to that either, again because I lack any qualifications. What I have heard from those I know with adult onset diabetes is that they are on low carb diets at the direction of their doctor. This agrees with the claims Atkins makes that it is the carbs easily turned into short, but intense bursts of blood sugar that throw the body's system out of whack and result in a body incapable of properly regulating blood sugar levels. He also makes the claim that in his practice he has treated many adults with diabetes and "cured" them of it through his diet. The idea is that by allowing the body a period of rest where it doesn't have to continually deal with wildly fluctuating levels of sugar trying to enter the blood the body can (sometimes) regain it's ability to process more efficiently.

Again, I have no medical training so I don't really know. I just read a book and it made sense to me.

[Bella]

[quote=dave_a]For me to adopt an Atkins diet would be foolhardy. Seems to me I'd send myself into low-blood sugar hypoglycemia. I've been there and it's not particularly fun.


Same with me, godfry - you're not alone.

Beth, yes I work at a Barnes & Noble. Nothing there is particularly "healthy" (as in a rice cake) but the five-cheese sandwhich - a grown-up version of the grilled cheese - is very good, and not too much caloric-wise.

[Shake]

Wow! This burger even beats out a whole breakfast (http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0744/)!

Thanks to Julian at IIDB for finding the link.

[Godless Dave]

I saw Super Size Me this weekend. A truly frightening movie!


On the dvd extras, they show an "experiment" they did; they took some McDonald's french fries and put them into a glass container to see what would happen to them over time. After 8 friggin' weeks the things looked just like they had on the day they were made. Not so much as a spot of mold on 'em. I don't eat non-biodegradable "food".

Not only that, but McDonalds insists on potatoes of a certain length for their fries, without brown blemishes. The only way to reliably grow potatoes meeting their criteria in bulk is to grow Monsanto's genetically engineered potatoes. Besides requiring cultivation methods that are tough on the land (like most modern farming methods), the farmers are not allowed to grow the next year's crop from seed, they have to buy them from Monsanto every year.

Source: Botany of Desire (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375760393/qid=1102605716/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-0638587-5701717?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

[Godless Dave]

Upon further reflection, I bet it's the high salt content that protects the fries from biodegradation.

[The Lone Ranger]

Upon further reflection, I bet it's the high salt content that protects the fries from biodegradation.

That was my guess. The few times I've tried their fries, my overwhelming impression was that they'd somehow managed to compress salt into the shape of French fries, and then added a dash of potato flavoring.

Cheers,

Michael