Netherlands records the hottest April in 300 years

[Watser?]

Netherlands records the hottest April in 300 years

The Hague- The year 2007 recorded the hottest April for 300
years, the Royal Dutch Meteorological Institute (KMNI)
reported Tuesday.
According to the KMNI, April's mean temperature was 13.1 degrees
Celsius, the warmest April since regular observations started in the
Netherlands in 1706.

The previous record, April 1794, was exceeded by almost two
degrees.link (http://rawstory.com/news/dpa/Netherlands_records_the_hottest_Apr_05012007.html)

I thought it was pretty hot... :sweaty:

[California Tanker]

I take it the mean temperature is between day and night, not just the daytime highs?

Otherwise, I might have been in California too long...

NTM

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

Say hello to the consequences of global climate change! :happywave:

[Watser?]

I take it the mean temperature is between day and night, not just the daytime highs?

Otherwise, I might have been in California too long...

NTM

Yes, between day and nights.

We have been getting daytime temperatures of over 25 for about a week. That's what we get in summer only usually.

[Stormlight]

Same here. We had between 27 and 30 degrees for a week and not a drop of rain the whole month.

[Watser?]

Yeah, the drought is not what was predicted for the effects of Global Warming. We were supposed to get MORE rain.

[Shelli]

:fan:

[Dingfod]

Meanwhile, in Oklahoma, we had an April that will go down in the record books too, as one of the coldest ever recorded.

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

Yeah, the drought is not what was predicted for the effects of Global Warming. We were supposed to get MORE rain.

The problem is that it causes both more rain AND more drought ~ as the added heat sucks moisture from the land as well as the wet areas... so wet areas dry up and the land gets more dry, creating vast desert areas as well as heavier storms when they hit (all the evaporated water goes into making bigger, stronger clouds)...

... and *that* knowledge is courtesy of An Inconvenient Truth!

[TomJoe]

Meanwhile, in Oklahoma, we had an April that will go down in the record books too, as one of the coldest ever recorded.

Also an effect of global warming, right Tigressa?

I mean heck, haven't you seen The Day After Tomorrow?

In South Carolina, the record high for April is 97*F, back in 1981, not 2007. The record high for May was set back in 1951 at 102*C.

[Watser?]

There are no serious scientists that have any doubt that Global Warming is real, just as there are no serious scientists that doubt that evolution is real. Of course there are still hacks who claim that there is no such thing.

Doesn't mean every strange weather phenomenon is connected, but I'm pretty sure this April weather over here is.

[TomJoe]

Doesn't mean every strange weather phenomenon is connected, but I'm pretty sure this April weather over here is.
And where did you get your meteorological degree?

Where's Milli Vanilli when you need them?

[Watser?]

Doesn't mean every strange weather phenomenon is connected, but I'm pretty sure this April weather over here is.
And where did you get your meteorological degree?

Where's Milli Vanilli when you need them?

Where did you get yours, flapdrol? It's okay for you to deny any connections and not for me to make them?

[TomJoe]

Doesn't mean every strange weather phenomenon is connected, but I'm pretty sure this April weather over here is.
And where did you get your meteorological degree?

Where's Milli Vanilli when you need them?

Where did you get yours, flapdrol? It's okay for you to deny any connections and not for me to make them?I assume this means you don't have one. Thanks for playing.

[Watser?]

Doesn't mean every strange weather phenomenon is connected, but I'm pretty sure this April weather over here is.
And where did you get your meteorological degree?

Where's Milli Vanilli when you need them?

Where did you get yours, flapdrol? It's okay for you to deny any connections and not for me to make them?I assume this means you don't have one. Thanks for playing.

Whatever? Why don't you go ask the pope for a fatwa on whether Global Warming is real?

[TomJoe]

Why don't you go ask the pope for a fatwa on whether Global Warming is real?

I'll get right on it. Just let me reach over here for my PopePhone(tm) and give him a ring.

<pause>

He says you're a dick.

:lol:

[Watser?]

Why don't you go ask the pope for a fatwa on whether Global Warming is real?

I'll get right on it. Just let me reach over here for my PopePhone(tm) and give him a ring.

<pause>

He says you're a dick.

:lol:

You must have heard him wrong :mirror:

[wei yau]

I'll get right on it. Just let me reach over here for my PopePhone(tm) and give him a ring.


Now, I've got that transition music from the campy Batman TV show in my head.

And now I see Adam West as the Pope.

No offense intended, just a glimpse into the window of my mind.

[TomJoe]

I'll get right on it. Just let me reach over here for my PopePhone(tm) and give him a ring.


Now, I've got that transition music from the campy Batman TV show in my head.

And now I see Adam West as the Pope.

No offense intended, just a glimpse into the window of my mind.No offense taken ... I had the BatPhone (http://www.adamwest.com/batphone.cfm) in mind when I wrote it.

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

Actually, may I propose a different explanation for global climate change: that the increased number of solar flares is the root cause (for the last 10-20 years we've actually had a record number of them)... and in fact, the solar flares are also going to continue increasing because the sun is about to blow up.

The increased radiation from them is actually also what's behind this recent rash of super-mutants.... as well my silver eyes and my ability to levitate!



Whoever you are, TomJoe, I don't think you have a meteorological degree either so ~ :moon:

And if you did, you'd know full well that every peer reviewed article regarding global warming backs up what we're saying.

[TomJoe]

And if you did, you'd know full well that every peer reviewed article regarding global warming backs up what we're saying.
How many peer-reviewed articles concerning global warming have you read?

I'm guessing between 0 and none.

PS: An Inconvenient Truth is not a peer-reviewed article.

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

And if you did, you'd know full well that every peer reviewed article regarding global warming backs up what we're saying.
How many peer-reviewed articles concerning global warming have you read?

I'm guessing between 0 and none.

PS: An Inconvenient Truth is not a peer-reviewed article.

Actually I've read around 20 ~~ most were required reading for my Botany course a couple of semesters ago.


:wave: Hi, I'm majoring in microbiology. What do you do?

[TomJoe]

Actually I've read around 20 ~~ most were required reading for my Botany course a couple of semesters ago.
Fair enough. However, I would point out that 20 isn't "every", and if we looked at "every" peer-reviewed article, they would not all say the same thing ... so I think you overstate your case a bit.
:wave: Hi, I'm majoring in microbiology. What do you do?
:para:
I'm a microbiologist/molecular biologist.

[wei yau]

Awww, that's so cute. You guys should be friends now.

:cheer:

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

I'm a microbiologist/molecular biologist.



:eek:


Goddamnit.

That's............ hot.

[TomJoe]

It must be the global warming.

:rimshot:

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

:doh:

[JackDog]

I'm a microbiologist/molecular biologist.

Ah...but where did you get your meteorological degree? :professor:

[BDS]

More on the solar flare theory:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

[fragment]

The theory described there isn't solar flares, it's that an increase in solar radiation has been warming both Earth and Mars. The evidence for Martian warming is photgraphs showing decline in the extent of the southern ice cap over the last six Earth years (about 3 Martian years), which thus reflects a warming that could be restricted to those six years and that specific region. Here's a graph of solar variability over the last 30 years (http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:Solar_Cycle_Variations_png). Come to your own conclusions.

Interestingly, a competing theory on solar influence on climate (a la Svensmark) is that high energy cosmic rays emitted by the sun have declined in recent times, which the theory suggests has led to a decrease in the number of low-level clouds on this planet, resulting in warming. As there are no clouds on Mars (meaning water vapour - there are dust storms on Mars), this theory has nothing to say on possible causes of the alleged Martian warming.

Both these solar theories have considerable less evidence to support them than the enhanced-greenhouse theory for warming on Earth.

As for attribution of particular anomalous weather events to global warming, it's pretty hard to do. All short-term events are within the ranges of natural variability, it's only the long-term statistical aggregates that stand out as anomalous. The most we can say is that this level of warmth in April is more likely in the Netherlands now than it was previously.

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

Whew, now that I've recovered sufficiently from the revelation that I was speaking with a Hot Scientist ( :wink: ) ~~ these are all things to Wonder about (regarding the sun's involvement in what we're experiencing here on Earth)... however I agree that there is far more evidence supporting the idea that humans are causing, or at least contributing hugely, to global warming.

TJ ~ show us your meteorological degree credentials!
:popcorn:

[fragment]

I should have pointed out that it looks like there is some contribution to global temperature change from increased solar irradiance, but it's a fair bit less than that contributed by us human folks. The IPCC AR4 gives values for radiative forcing since 1750 as 0.12 (0.06 to 0.30) W/m2 for solar irradiance and 1.6 (0.6 to 2.4) W/m2 for total anthropogenic.

[TomJoe]

As for attribution of particular anomalous weather events to global warming, it's pretty hard to do. All short-term events are within the ranges of natural variability, it's only the long-term statistical aggregates that stand out as anomalous.That was my point, thank you for stating it better than I could.

As for my credentials, since I didn't make any claims (Don't believe me? Go look.) I don't need any. If a doctor gives you a diagnosis, you don't need to be a medical doctor yourself to ask for his credentials to see if he's qualified.

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

And do you also believe in Intelligent Design?



Science is not defined as "placing one's belief in an ideology regardless of an overwhelming body of evidence."

[TomJoe]

And do you also believe in Intelligent Design?Do I also? What did I also supposedly believe in?

And the answer to the ID question, if you are indeed talking to me, is no.
Science is not defined as "placing one's belief in an ideology regardless of an overwhelming body of evidence."Thank you for the undefinition, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything I've said.

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

Did you not state that you don't believe humans are causing or contributing largely to global warming?

[TomJoe]

Did you not state that you don't believe humans are causing or contributing largely to global warming?
Can you find where I said that in this thread?

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

It was implied, though now that I have more closely analyzed your response to fragment's post I have to ask ~ what the hell is your stance on global warming?

[TomJoe]

It was implied ...No, it was not.


What I was sarcastically responding to was the situation that when someone says "Boy, we've got a heat wave going on." people will enthusiastically respond with "That's the effects of global warming!" but when someone says "We've had record lows this past month." ... :chirp: :chirp: :chirp:

As for global warming itself, my stance has been and continues to be, regardless of whether you believe it or not*, we need to be good stewards of our environment. I've said it before, "do no harm" and "leave it in better shape then when you first showed up." Those sentiments of mine have not changed.

*And more important than the warming trend which is evident in the data, what you believe the major cause of that trend is.

[Watser?]

It was implied ...No, it was not.

No, of course not

It was insinuated, as usual...

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

Ah, right, so you're just an arrogant bastard.

[TomJoe]

Ah, right, so you're just an arrogant bastard.I'll cop to bastard, I didn't think I was being particularly arrogant. This time at least.

[Sock Puppet]

Bastard? Why aren't you ever at the meetings?

[TomJoe]

Bastard? Why aren't you ever at the meetings?Cause I'm too good for them.

[Angakuk]

Does it strike anyone as suspicious that the decline in Mar's southern ice cap has only occured in the time since humans first started landing probes on the Martian surface? Surely this is evidence that Martian global warming is anthropogenic.

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

Does it strike anyone as suspicious that the decline in Mar's southern ice cap has only occured in the time since humans first started landing probes on the Martian surface? Surely this is evidence that Martian global warming is anthropogenic.

:yikes:

WOW you could be on to something..... !:chin:

[California Tanker]

I think it was an issue that the Mars lander which screwed up courtesy of the metric/imperial error impacted at such speed that the ensuing fireball, which was visible to the naked Hubble, caused a shift in the mean Martian temperature.

As an aside, I always found the red/blue/green Mars trilogy to be quite a fascinating concept. Just on this side of what you think the bounds of possibility are.

NTM

[Angakuk]

I just recently finished reading that trilogy. I found it fascinating on so many levels; ecology, psychology, physics, political theory, etc. Really, some of the best Science Fiction that I have read in years.

[fragment]

I've been intending to read the Mars trilogy, but the first book is always out from the library when I go there. As a second choice I decided to read Kim Stanley Robinson's more recent books dealing with, coincidentally, global warming. While they're interesting enough to keep me reading, I can't say I found the first two especially brilliant. I will probably read the third one nonetheless, for completion's sake if nothing else.

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

At the risk of sounding completely out of the loop ~ who wrote the Mars trilogy? :hide:

[Crumb]

Kim Stanley Robinson

[La_Tigressa_Peligrosa]

Thanks Crumb. :2thumbsup:

[Raza]

Ya, no shit. I've known mid-summer months a lot colder than this. There have been all of two days where a coat was comfortable outside during the day, and no rains whatsoever. I've spent every weekend partying in the unsheltered outdoors, swimming in natural bodies of water - even nights where never a problem with a simple shirt and leather jacket, and the days cost me as much sunblock as I usually use in an average summer (not last summer though, that was crazy too).


Last summer lasted to mid october, fall transgressed seemlessly into spring (winter? what's that?) and now spring seems to be giving in early to a full-fledged return of summer.


I'm not too quick to blame global warming, considering it's a rather local thing, but we've certainly been experiencing some serious national warming.