World of Warcraft and the Latter-Day Geek

[Sock Puppet]

I'm always late to the party with any category of geekage you can think of, so true to form, I've just started playing WoW. My bestest friend, whom I left behind in California, got me into it. He'd been playing Diablo 2 online for some time, but more recently the group he was hooked up with formed a WoW guild. There's quite an advantage in this, as they tend to be an older crowd -- even a few grandparents. I've always resisted getting into online play to avoid the "omg u r a faggot" babble from junior-high shop-class rejects. There's some of that on the general channel, but by and large it's been fairly civilized.

Another great advantage to this is the chance not only to talk more with my friend, but also for us to do something "together," if only in the virtual world.

It's rather amazing how big this "World" is: three continents, with so much virtual ground to cover and different characters to play that it would be difficult to exhaust the possibilities for quite some time. My main beef with single-player games has always been that, when I find one I actually like, I compulsively run through the entire story much too quickly. Then it's like owning a DVD; no matter how much you might like the movie, you can only watch it so many times without getting sick of it.

Anybody else down with the WoW sickness?

[Artemis Entreri]

I got the trial version of WoW and played it for the 2wks or so that it was free.
I really liked it but I think that I'd loose vast spans of time to that game.
It's not like I don't already loose vast spans to TV but it's easier for me to break away from the tube than from a game.

[wei yau]

OMG U R A FAGGOT!!!!111

I'm afraid to get sucked up into online gaming. I'd likely stay up all night and spend every bit of free time on the game.

But, I'm also a bit of a chickenshit. I'd hate to be in a game where I'd just be a punching bag for l33t players to rack up experience points.

Does WoW have non-PvP worlds?

[viscousmemories]

A few people 'round here have mentioned dabbling in it, but they haven't been heard from since. :chin:

I've given it serious thought, but I can't rationalize putting time into a game that I'd rather be putting into studying (but actually put into watching Law & Order).

[Sock Puppet]

OMG U R A FAGGOT!!!!111U R! :glare:

I'm afraid to get sucked up into online gaming. I'd likely stay up all night and spend every bit of free time on the game.Heh. I nearly did just that last Saturday night/Sunday morning. C'mon, wei, come and ruin your homelife with me, it'll be fun.

But, I'm also a bit of a chickenshit. I'd hate to be in a game where I'd just be a punching bag for l33t players to rack up experience points.

Does WoW have non-PvP worlds?As a matter of fact, yes. You can go into a mode where no other player can mess with you at all. The version I'm playing right now is a sort of hybrid: no PvP until we venture into "contested territory," which we won't do until we get much better at it. When in this mode, you can be challenged to a "duel," which is sort of like full-contact martial arts in that someone wins, but neither dies. And even then, you can choose to decline the challenge.

A few people 'round here have mentioned dabbling in it, but they haven't been heard from since. :chin:Oh, now you're just trying to scare m
* Sock Puppet has logged out.

[Deadlokd]

I play Counterstrike, Half Life 2 and Empire Earth 2 online. Not so much talking as straight killing :P I might have to check WoW out. I did lose a friend to it recently though.

Wait for me Sock Puppet!

[Sock Puppet]

Feel free to join us, They. I play on the Lightninghoof server (there are dozens of servers, each with a geeky name, and you can only encounter other players who are on the same server), on the Horde side. You can create characters on either side (Alliance or Horde), but you can't play opposing characters on the same server. Besides, I like being baaaad. I'm in no hurry to play a human, elf, gnome or dwarf when I can be an undead, tauren (nasty-looking, minotaur-like bruiser), troll, or orc.

I would suggest buying the shrinkwrap version for $19.99 rather than downloading. You get a little extra free play time if you download, then buy, but the DL takes hours, even on broadband. I'm too impatient. You will still need to download the cumulative patch, which is nearly 400MB, but that only takes about 20 minutes on a cable connection. As it is, I get a full month of free play from the shrinkwrap install.

If anybody would like further details to meet up in-game, PM me. There's a board for the guild I'm in the process of joining.

[Zehava]

But, I'm also a bit of a chickenshit. I'd hate to be in a game where I'd just be a punching bag for l33t players to rack up experience points.

Does WoW have non-PvP worlds?

What you'd want is one of the RP (Role-playing) servers. ON an RP server you cannot be attacked by anyone regardless of where you are unless you allow it (you specifically have to "turn on" the PvP flag).

ON any other server (Normal or PvP), you can be attacked by anyone of any level as soon as you enter contested territory. Forays into contested territory become necessary around level 20 (unless you play horde then you can get to lvl 45+ w/o ever having to worry about the opposing faction).

From that point on expect to be killed repeatedly by max level characters who are bored or like being assholes. Certain areas are worse than other and the problem is worse for the Alliance as their low level contested areas are extremely easy for horde players to get to.

I recently started playing again, after quitting for the second time. The unrestricted PvP is big drawback for me, but playing with friends makes up for that (usually). It's not that I don't like PvP, I just really hate the fact that the game does nothing to discourage (and often rewards) opposing players for assholish behavior such as Corpse Camping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpse_camping), or Ganking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganking).

And as far as uber gear/loot goes, don't ever expect to catch up or be competitive unless you have lots of time to devote to arena matches and/or battlegrounds.

[seebs]

Lots of WoW. Spouse and I both play. We are most active on Kirin Tor, also somewhat on Sentinels and Moon Guard.

Zehava, you are confused. RP/non-RP and PvP/PvE are two separate choices.

"Normal" is "PvE, non-RP". You have to flag to get attacked (or do one of the things, like visiting an enemy capital, that autoflags you), but you don't have to have a fantasy-themed name.

"RP" is PvE, but they loosely enforce roleplaying.

"PvP" is PvP, with no roleplaying enforcement.

"RPPvP" is the fourth option, where they enforce character naming rules, AND there's all-the-time PvP.

I have zero interest in PvP, and RP servers tend to have much smarter players, so I play on RP servers only.

[Dingfod]

Remembering back to the 80s when I played non-internet computer games I know that if I played WoW or any online role-playing game I probably wouldn't have time for :ff:. Some of you probably think that would be a good thing, plus you could whoop up on the n00b in WoW.

[Sock Puppet]

I'm on an RPPvP server. Since I've been introduced to & joined a guild of older players who look out for each other, I shouldn't have to be too worried about level 70 assholes harassing me. I'm sure I'll get ganked now and again, but I can call in the homies to go after any corpse campers. I agree with Zehava that Blizzard should do more to discourage/punish assholery, at least from what I've heard. Serial corpse camping should be a bannable offense.

I've already had high-level, fellow Horde members challenge me to a duel. WTF is the point of that? I'll duel when I feel like dueling, and if I think it's a reasonably fair fight. Otherwise, fuck off.

[Zehava]

Duelers, gold spammers and beggars --- immediately go on my ignore list. Oh and those who ask me summon their friends w/o first offering compensation. And people I don't know who ask me to take them through a dungeon. People who invite my to a group (even though I'm not flagged LFG) and are in a different freaking zone.

Damn I'm such an anti-social jerk I'm surprised I don't have half my server on /ignore by now :P

[The Lone Ranger]

I've never played, but I know several people who do (well, five people, to be precise). From what I can tell, the game seems to occupy their every moment spent awake and not at work. I get the impression that it can be incredibly addictive. One guy is talking about getting an expensive new computer just so he can get more enjoyment out of WoW.

Wow indeed!

Cheers,

Michael

[Deadlokd]

Friend of mine (the guy that got me into Counterstrike actually) just spent $114 on a freakin' WoW specific keyboard!

[seebs]

It is pretty addictive. I got lucky; laptop-chan plays it beautifully, so no more running around copying config files.

[Sock Puppet]

It ain't called World of Warcrack for nothin'.

It's gotten to the point that I'm going to start another character to play on days when I can't hook up with my friend, with whom I made a mutual pact to keep our "toons" on the same leveling track/shared quests.

Wei, let me know if you succumb to the sickness, 'cause I'm willing to make the same deal with you my friend made with me: I'll create a new character with supplemental abilities to yours & build them up together. It's no fun when the rest of your party is 20+ levels above you, and all you do is watch and pick up the pieces after the battles. We can even pick an RP-only server so those nasty 12-year-old, level-70 brutes don't pick on you.

Re: equipment, I finally gave up my delusions of screaming gaming rigs and just bought a Dell with 1G RAM and a middling-but-modern AMD processor. The one splurge item I customized it with was a 256MB graphics card. There's no lag at all, which is all I was concerned about. As for a WoW-specific keyboard, that's crazy talk. The most I'd get is a generic gaming pad for $80, tops, and even that's overkill for me right now.

[Sock Puppet]

gold spammersI didn't even know what these were until this past Sunday. I was gaming alone, just exploring a bit, when I got invited to join a group. I figured, what the hell, I could use the experience working with a larger party, so I hit Accept. Should've known better since there was nobody near me; my chat log got hit over & over with this bizarre advertisement to join some pay-service or other. It didn't even make much sense to me --- apparently it's a way to get better gear & such by paying real money? pathetic if so -- but it sure was annoying. I dropped out of the group as soon as I figured out how. From now on, if I haven't met the inviter in-game, I'm declining all invites from unfamiliar characters.

[Zehava]

Yeah that's a new trick, but then my complete anti-social tendencies force me to instantly reject any group request from somebody I don't know.

To prevent spam in tells (which used to be spammers mode of operation) I strongly suggest the addon called STFU. Seriously, that's the name. Easily configurable to automatically suppress any tell from a player of a certain level (default is 1 as spammers are typically level 1 toons). I set mine to level 20, and am seriously considering upping that. By default group members and guild members are excluded from being filtered.

If you are not using the ingame LFG system and you get a group invite, reject it immediately.

Sounds like yours was one of those pay for leveling services. For $x they guarnatee you to be level 70, have such and such gear and Y gold in ~2 weeks usually. Of course that means giving them your account information so they can log into your account and play your character while you are working. It's a scam to strip you toon, they are hoping you have a higher level character they can strip for the gold/items and resell them.

It also could be a blizzard employee running a trap as well, they do that. You get a solicitation for gold, go to the website the tell you, enter your cc/PayPal info. Next thing you know your account is banned for purchasing gold with real world cash.

[Zehava]

As a little tangent to my previous message.

Be careful also of which websites you use (if you do) to look up game information. Some of them are run by the gold farmers and links there have been known to install keyloggers on your system.

Thottbot (http://www.thottbot.com) is particularly bad for this. (It's that or Thotbot (www.thotbot.com), can't remember off the top of my head) This website is run by gold farmers and some of the links in the advertisement bar a known to be bad.

For good and non compromised information I suggested WoWHead (http://www.wowhead.com).

Make sure your virus definitions are always up to date, many viruses today are keyloggers that specifically target MMORPG users. There is a lot, make that a LOT, of real world cash being made by selling virtual items in games like WoW and Everquest.

One of our guild members recently had his account hacked this way. He's a teenager and he plays a lot at a LAN shop so I figure that's where it happened. The hacker stripped all his characters of items/gold and transferred it to one of their own character then (since they have access to your account) they moved one of the characters to another server. That last one is a $25 charge on your credit card. He was able to get back some stuff after Blizzard completed their investigation into the incident but nothing close to what he had.

[wei yau]

Geeze, and I thought the only thing I had to worry about was snot-nosed brats kicking my ass all across creation.

[Zehava]

Geeze, and I thought the only thing I had to worry about was snot-nosed brats kicking my ass all across creation.

Nope, systematic stealing and looting of accounts for games like WoW is very big business. As is simply selling in game "phat loots" for real world money.

I'll see if I can find the article, but I remember one from within the last year that is predicting that the money selling gold/items in MMORPGs will be a $7bn a year industry in the near future.

How big?

As an example from Wikipedia, Virtual Economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_economy):

The release of Blizzards' World of Warcraft in 2004 and its subsequent huge success across the globe has forced both MMORPGs and their secondary markets into mainstream consciousness.

Many new market places have opened up during this time, a quick search for WoW Gold on Google will show a multitude of sites (90+ sponsored results at this time, June 2006)(22,000,000 sponsored results as of April 25, 2007) from which Gold can be purchased - A far cry from the days when players would trade amongst themselves and over eBay.


Still looking for that $7bn article.

[Sock Puppet]

Be careful also of which websites you use (if you do) to look up game information. Some of them are run by the gold farmers and links there have been known to install keyloggers on your system.

Thottbot (http://www.thottbot.com) is particularly bad for this. (It's that or Thotbot (www.thotbot.com), can't remember off the top of my head) This website is run by gold farmers and some of the links in the advertisement bar a known to be bad.

For good and non compromised information I suggested WoWHead (http://www.wowhead.com).

Make sure your virus definitions are always up to date, many viruses today are keyloggers that specifically target MMORPG users. There is a lot, make that a LOT, of real world cash being made by selling virtual items in games like WoW and Everquest.Good info, thanks. I was a little concerned about which sites to get mods from, although one of the multiple-level-70-character players in my guild recommended a couple that I would assume are kosher: WoWinterface (http://wowinterface.com) and Curse-Gaming (http://curse-gaming.com). Of course, there's also worldofwar.net (http://www.worldofwar.net/), which is a well-run site, although I barely understand what the hell anybody's talking about.

[Kyuss Apollo]

Hopefully this will never to happen to you guys...:lol:


South Park WoW Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr4I45CzB4k

Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAwctsPi4w0

Part Three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWL6Ek7vFFQ

[DipWeed's God]

All of this is well said. I have aquired quite the WoW addiction myself.

This site is also quite amusing

http://www.wowdetox.com (http://www.wowdetox.com/)

Although it is for quiters :(

Enjoy.

[Zehava]

Good info, thanks. I was a little concerned about which sites to get mods from, although one of the multiple-level-70-character players in my guild recommended a couple that I would assume are kosher: WoWinterface (http://wowinterface.com) and Curse-Gaming (http://curse-gaming.com). Of course, there's also worldofwar.net (http://www.worldofwar.net/), which is a well-run site, although I barely understand what the hell anybody's talking about.


Yep all three are well known and good sites for addons.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Feel free to join us, They. I play on the Lightninghoof server (there are dozens of servers, each with a geeky name, and you can only encounter other players who are on the same server), on the Horde side. You can create characters on either side (Alliance or Horde), but you can't play opposing characters on the same server. Besides, I like being baaaad. I'm in no hurry to play a human, elf, gnome or dwarf when I can be an undead, tauren (nasty-looking, minotaur-like bruiser), troll, or orc.

I would suggest buying the shrinkwrap version for $19.99 rather than downloading. You get a little extra free play time if you download, then buy, but the DL takes hours, even on broadband. I'm too impatient. You will still need to download the cumulative patch, which is nearly 400MB, but that only takes about 20 minutes on a cable connection. As it is, I get a full month of free play from the shrinkwrap install.

If anybody would like further details to meet up in-game, PM me. There's a board for the guild I'm in the process of joining.

For the Horde!

Alliance is rubbish.

I'll have to reroll and stalk you. Gimme l3wtz, beeyotch!

[Sock Puppet]

You want some o'dis, pretty boy? I'll beat the hell outta your fist with my face!

[Uthgar the Brazen]

You want some o'dis, pretty boy? I'll beat the hell outta your fist with my face!

LAWL RU SRS OMGWTF???!!!11!1

*shudders*

Sorry, moment of weakness. Yeah, big boy, bring on that mug o' yourn!

[Deadlokd]

Sorry Sock, won't be for a while. 'Parently kids are supposed to need parentin' or something like that. So my wife has forbidden me from new online games. Apparently I get OCD when I play online :rolleyes: So for now, I'm limited to an hour here and an hour there.

S'not fair, not being allowed to play with my friends.......*mutter*

[Sock Puppet]

My wife has already had a "talk" with me about not spending enough time with fambly when I get home, and I don't even play every night. I agree, it ain't fair.

Besides, when I level up to 20 I get to become an Expert Alchemist. I can almost taste it. :excited:

[viscousmemories]

Screw the fambly, you're not posting here enough. :glare:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

If it's any consolation, my time is dwindling secondary to reading, and my cat threatened to have me for dinner if I didn't give her more attention after work.

Pussy Eats Man, Film At 11 :naughty:

[Kyuss Apollo]

It's difficult and takes years of practice to perfect the balance between ones work, chores, sexual partner, family, education, internet porn, and friends with the video games.

[physik]

I don't have the kind of time necessary to sit around and play WoW. I know two people that are addicted to it, and that's enough for me.

[Stormlight]

By chance I came upon this (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=288025070&size=o).

It's oh so bad. Still, I couldn't help but laugh about the pure, crass absurdity of the comment.

[Julie]

Thats so bad...but still I laughed...out loud even.

As for warcrack, I started playing it last week. Its fun I like it, plus I spend time with my brother in law and his boyfriend this way.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

By chance I came upon this (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=288025070&size=o).

It's oh so bad. Still, I couldn't help but laugh about the pure, crass absurdity of the comment.

In WoW, that is the height of educated wit. Stay away from the official forums is my advice. And, in-game, turn off General Chat before you do anything else. ;)

[Zehava]

By chance I came upon this (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=288025070&size=o).

It's oh so bad. Still, I couldn't help but laugh about the pure, crass absurdity of the comment.

In WoW, that is the height of educated wit. Stay away from the official forums is my advice. And, in-game, turn off General Chat before you do anything else. ;)

WoW forums = bad
General Chat can be bad at times, I definitely suggest turning it off if you play Horde and you are in the Barrens --- bad juju that
Trade channels can be bad at times too -- turn them off

Hell /leave every channel and put everyone on /ignore, your enjoyment will double :)

Unfortunately your /ignore list won't be big enough to ignore all the idiots. I suggest an addon called Shut The Fuck Up, yes STFU. Nice configurable addon that allows you to filter out /tells from any player based on level.

Default level is set to 1, as most spammers are level 1 toons. Guild members and people on your friends list are automatically not filtered. I usually have my filter set to level 20, but have considered setting it to 71. Yes that means that EVERYONE on my server not in my guild (I have no friends list) would effectively be on my /ignore list. What can I say, I have an extremely low tolerance for assholery.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I didn't know about STFU. I'll have to go find that. I have been accepting the group invites from level 1's lately, just so I can report the spam-bots.

Spam-Bot: Hey, let's get to 40 tonight!
Me: Hey, let's get your account banned so you can't feed your family and have to commit ritual suicide, instead! /reportspam, /leavegroup

I also /spit on the perma-parked level 1's with names like 'apojeklsuiohf' every time I run by. I can hardly wait to start griefing the farmbots in Un'Goro.

:plotting:

Yeah, cue the Dennis Leary song, 'cuz I have yet to get tired of griefing the farmers.

[Zehava]

STFU is really nice. No fancy UI for configuration but the / commands are pretty simple. Blocks those level 1 spam bots right out of the box, just decline any group request from people you don't know.

[Sock Puppet]

Ooh, I liiiike that. I might just pull a Zehava with that myself. The spambots are bad enough; playing a priest means I also get tons of /tells that generally translate to, "Would you like to go following us around at X instance that's too high for our underleveled, underpowered, poorly assembled party so we can screech at you incessantly for not healing our sorry asses enough with spells you already told us you're not spec'd for in the first place?" It'd be sweet to filter out those little fuckwads.

It's too bad there can't be a mod that indicates the age of the player inviting you (or nearby players in general, now that I think about it). I would pay hard RL cash for that.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Shut up and get back to work, healbot!

[Sock Puppet]

I SAID HEAL ME!! DO U NOT UNNERSTAN UR JOB??

Oh, and ...

Stay away from the official forums is my advice. And, in-game, turn off General Chat before you do anything else.NOW you tell me. That's a half-hour and several IQ points I'll never get back. Bitch.

[Julie]

Man Ive been lucky, I have not met one annoying person yet.

I even joined a guild lastnight from an uninvited invite...just cause I liked the name (Rollin with my gnomies) turns out they sent me the invite just cause they liked my name heh. Good group of ppl so far.

I probably havnt run across anything like this yet because Im just to low level.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

You're on Shadow Council? What're the odds?

[Julie]

And what is shadow council?

(remember today is the 7th day I've been playing)

(ack my server is still down and I cant go play! Maybe I should start a horde character....)

[Sock Puppet]

That's the name of the (currently crashed) server you're on. They take down quite a few of them on Tuesdays for maintenance. You should have a message on your logon screen about which "realms" (servers) they're taking offline today. Then you can pick one NOT on the list if you must indulge your addiction by rolling a new character while you wait for Shadow Council to come back up.

Just make sure you pick a PvE server if you plan to hang onto the character for the long haul; in PvP you will eventually need to go to areas where opposing characters can kill you just for the hell of it. You may get to like that eventually, but I guarantee it sucks ass before you get used to it.

[Julie]

Nordrassil is the name of the server I'm on.

and I play "normal" whatever that means :)

and seriously my higest lv character is a 12 so re-rolling isnt a big deal....

Plus Ive never played a priest or a druid or a warlock or a warrior or a mage

Still sooooo much to learn about this game!

[Sock Puppet]

Oh. I might've misunderstood Uthgar's post. Anyway, if your server is down, check the calendar, 'cause it's probably Tuesday.

"Normal" usually means PvE (Player vs. Environment, i.e., other players can't just hack at you whenever they feel like it).

I wouldn't suggest playing a priest until you're really, REALLY comfy with the basics of the game. I picked a priest as my first toon (character), only to find out from lots of experienced players that it's the toughest class in the game to play.

Warlocks are cool 'cause they get minions to help them, sort of like the hunter's pets, AND they get cool, heavy-damage spells. Warriors are a nice break if you get frustrated with a spellcaster character (cf. my previous bitchin' about priests). You can take tons of damage from monsters and just keep hacking away. Rogues are easier for beginners, too. The only reason I'm keeping the priest as my main is because I've invested so much time on her weak ass that I'm committed to leveling her to 70. Then I'm jumping to my rogue (got him to level 5 within friggin' minutes, dammit!) when I'm ready to level up a new one.

[Julie]

So far my hunter wins hands down. I love it, i love the fact that I get to have pets that help fight....

[Zehava]

Ooh, I liiiike that. I might just pull a Zehava with that myself. The spambots are bad enough; playing a priest means I also get tons of /tells that generally translate to, "Would you like to go following us around at X instance that's too high for our underleveled, underpowered, poorly assembled party so we can screech at you incessantly for not healing our sorry asses enough with spells you already told us you're not spec'd for in the first place?" It'd be sweet to filter out those little fuckwads.

It's too bad there can't be a mod that indicates the age of the player inviting you (or nearby players in general, now that I think about it). I would pay hard RL cash for that.

Create a macro (I did)

/dnd No thank you, I'd rather take a ballpeen hammer to my man parts then follow you around as your heal bitch.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Ah, thought you were on the Shadow Council server. That guild name must be popular these days. :)

And I think Nordrassil is on the dreaded list of "extended maintenance" this week (48 hour downtime). The game is great fun, I admit, but it's best to keep your expectations of Blizzard very, very low.

[Julie]

ya 2 days down!

so now Im on gnomereguard or what ever that is...playing a gnome of course!

if anyone wants to come play with me my name is kitchgnome...

[Adam]

By chance I came upon this (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=288025070&size=o).

It's oh so bad. Still, I couldn't help but laugh about the pure, crass absurdity of the comment.

That's awful. Of course, I giggled like an idiot at it, but it's still awful.

Yeah, cue the Dennis Leary song, 'cuz I have yet to get tired of griefing the farmers.

Man, I used to love griefing farmers, especially since I played on a PvP server and all the farmers were Forsaken rogues for some reason. I used to farm up in the Plaguelands between rounds inthe battlegrounds. Aww, poor farmer...did I Fear you into three elite Scarlett Crusaders? My bad...

I SAID HEAL ME!! DO U NOT UNNERSTAN UR JOB??

Ah, good times. I can't count the number of impromptu "this is how aggro works, children" lessons I had to give in party chat when playing in pugs.

[seebs]

I used to think I hated healing, but one day my pally got a decent group, and now I love healing. I just love healing for competent players.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I used to think I hated healing, but one day my pally got a decent group, and now I love healing. I just love healing for competent players.

Even though my druid (oh noez nelf dr00dz lol!!11!) is feral-spec'd, I ended up being the main healer for a reasonably good pug a few days ago. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Unfortunately, if we weeded out all the idiots, WoW would be reduced to a half-populated single server and probably go under. Much as I despise them, the imbeciles keep the game going.

Who me, cynical? ?D

[Sock Puppet]

Yeah, who else is gonna buy my crap at the auction house and finance my mounts?

BTW, I'm still n00b enough not to know exactly what pug stands for. Player user guild? Party user group? I'm pretty sure y'all are not going into instances with those goofy little dogs. :confused:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Pick-up group. Essentially, a group of random people who come together to do an instance, quest or whatnot. AKA, the bane of all existence.

[Sock Puppet]

Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, I had one of those go well, once -- with a mage who was overleveled for the instance & just was helping a friend through it. Got through that so well that it lulled me into a false sense of hope for pick-ups, which has been since shattered enough that I'm pretty sure it won't ever "rez" again.

Oh, and that ALL CAPS post I made above? Pretty much a direct quote from pug party chat. Every time somebody mentions Shadowfang Keep, it reminds me of that fucktard. After that wonderful experience and I'd hearthed away without saying buh-bye, that same dipshit met up with me half the world away to invite me to heal at another instance. Dubya. Tee. Eff.

[Zehava]

I used to think I hated healing, but one day my pally got a decent group, and now I love healing. I just love healing for competent players.

Even though my druid (oh noez nelf dr00dz lol!!11!) is feral-spec'd, I ended up being the main healer for a reasonably good pug a few days ago. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Unfortunately, if we weeded out all the idiots, WoW would be reduced to a half-populated single server and probably go under. Much as I despise them, the imbeciles keep the game going.

Who me, cynical? ?D

I spent most of my WoW time as a dwarf priest making me doubly wanted (fear ward + heals). What I miss from other games is a /anon command so I don't show up in /who. The best thing I could do was my /dnd macro from above.

I stopped doing pugs a long time ago, they just are not worth the hassle, especially if you are the healer. Oh and warrior tanks in 5-man instances are useless, get yourself a nice protection paladin. Warriors are great at tanking a single foe but have a difficult time with multiple targets.

You are right about the WoW idiots. I run on the assumption that 90% of the people you meet in game are idiots. Sometimes you will be surprised by a player who know what they are doing, but the vast majority simply suck.

[Zehava]

Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, I had one of those go well, once -- with a mage who was overleveled for the instance & just was helping a friend through it. Got through that so well that it lulled me into a false sense of hope for pick-ups, which has been since shattered enough that I'm pretty sure it won't ever "rez" again.

Oh, and that ALL CAPS post I made above? Pretty much a direct quote from pug party chat. Every time somebody mentions Shadowfang Keep, it reminds me of that fucktard. After that wonderful experience and I'd hearthed away without saying buh-bye, that same dipshit met up with me half the world away to invite me to heal at another instance. Dubya. Tee. Eff.

Shadowfang Keep, Shadowfang Keep, Shadowfang Keep, Shadowfang Keep

:D

Some people never learn. Sounds like Mr. Fucktard was a good candidate for your /ignore list. Learn it, love it, live it. /ignore will save you a whole lot of grief, not to mention your sanity.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Try to dissociate SFK from the fucktard. Apart from fucktardery which is not the place's fault, it's a very fun instance. :)

[Zehava]

Try to dissociate SFK from the fucktard. Apart from fucktardery which is not the place's fault, it's a very fun instance. :)

SFK is indeed a good instance and has a lot of nice gear, especially for a low to mid 20's cloth wearer. You won't find anything better than the Robes of Argual or the Belt of Argual (name might not be exactly right) until ~level 30.

[Sock Puppet]

I have discovered battlegrounds. Specifically, Arathi Basin while in the mid- to high 30's.

It's even more fun when you and a friend are drunk and communicating via headset. "Kill that fuggin' gnome! Kill ALL the short ones first!" The only problem is that you can't pick your party members; that gets annoying.

Of course, it reduces my friend's helpful advice to stuff like "Kill that sonofabitch." But who the hell cares when getting killed is so much less of a hassle.

[Zehava]

I have discovered battlegrounds. Specifically, Arathi Basin while in the mid- to high 30's.

It's even more fun when you and a friend are drunk and communicating via headset. "Kill that fuggin' gnome! Kill ALL the short ones first!" The only problem is that you can't pick your party members; that gets annoying.

Of course, it reduces my friend's helpful advice to stuff like "Kill that sonofabitch." But who the hell cares when getting killed is so much less of a hassle.

Arathi Basin is pretty good, Alterac Valley is much better but is 51+. Stay the hell away from Warsong Gulch, CTF games suck a lot.

Eye of the Storm is pretty good as well, though there is a CTF element to it as well (not the major part of the game). BG's make PvP tolerable, I don't mind getting killed/killing people but only when I want to. Most times I don;t feel like PvP, which makes places like Ganklethorn so much of a pain.

[Sock Puppet]

:giggle: @ "Ganklethorn" -- yup, I quickly learned to hate that friggin' snakepit and abandoned all the quests there. Luckily, Arathi Highlands is a good match for my current level (just shy of 37 now) and the gankage factor is about 5 or 10% of what it is in Ganklethorn. Desolace is all right too; the fight is so much fairer there that I finally started actually winning "world" PvPs there. My first unqualified solo success was when I killed a Paladin 2 levels above me after she tried to gank me as I was finishing off a mob. I was so pumped after that, I had to go back to the post and fish for awhile to calm down. :fishin:

Compare that to getting surrounded by 3 level 70s in Stranglethorn. Sure, I'll enjoy pwning lowbie Alliance too, but THREE 70s on a 35? WTF?

[Julie]

Battlegrouds sound great...except Im one of the little ones. Hehe I love my gnome lock!

Played in my first PUG lastnight. Ended up being a group of 7 of us. Out of the 7 of us one other was from my guild. All but one of the people were great...guess that group leaded bit was going to his head. So we all just left his group and reformed in front of his eyes without him. Ya probably not the nicese thing to do but oh well. After that it was great Of the 4 left that wernt in my guild we even invited two of them to join us. Had a blast....played untill 3am....but that had more to do with my insomnia than anything :)


CAn;t wait to try the BG's they sound like a blast, but Im not eve a lv 25 yet!

[Sock Puppet]

No need to feel bad about the regrouping at all. Life is too short to waste time sparing the feelings of somebody who's being a complete prick.

Being a gnome, on the other hand ... :wink:

[Zehava]

You can start Warsong Gulch at lvl 10 (first bracket is 10-19). Don't do it though. The 10-19 bracket will be dominated by lvl 19 twinks with super gear.

Brackets after that are 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, etc.

Arathi Basin starts at lvl 20 and follows the same bracket breakdown. I don't suggest you go to any BG unless you are at the max level. Alterac can be an exception to that as it is 40 on 40 and you can somewhat avoid being targeted.

The problem with Ganklethorn is there are so many quests there that it is almost necessary to quest there (quests are available from lvl 30 to about 45). However it is a quick run from several high level places that lvl 70's tend to congregate here while waiting for instances/raids.

Same thing happens in Hillsbrad (Alterac Valley BG entry points) and now Tanaris (Caverns of Time). Bored lvl 70's hanging around in areas meant for mid level characters is a VERY bad idea. High level dungeons/raids should be put in high level areas. This is one of the things that lead me to cancel my account again.

[Brimshack]

Where have all the gamer geeks gone?
Oh where have all the D&D gamers gone?
Gone to World of Warcrack every one.
Oh when will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn...


(Sigh!)

[Sock Puppet]

Ayup, I'm at 39 and it's definitely easier in battlegrounds than 36 or 37. The extra PvP practice is definitely making it easier to deal with "world" pvp. I can now be as nasty as I wanna be.

And when, oh when, will the warriors ever learn? Yesterday I needed a break from BGs after 187 kills, so I decided to take a little cruise to Booty Bay when I realized I'd never been there before. I turned in the quests I had (shitty XP for yellow quests, geez), and got back onto the ship. There's just one other Horde player, myself, and a 37 human warrior chickie with a big, shiny sword - I'm thinking twink gear, I didn't bother to inspect. So I head up to the top deck in the back of the ship, and the warrior follows me. She stays really close to me (it must kill some of these losers not to be able to /slap the opposing faction), so I just make sure I'm still facing her and I sit down. Just when I think that intelligence might be winning the day, she hacks at me with her twink sword. Don't mess with an undead priestess with PMS.* I stand up, hit her with plague, pain and scream. The scream fears her all the way off the boat and somewhere out of sight, where she dies way too quickly - must have run right into an elite guard, poor dear. I sit back down and say, "I guess she'll have to catch the next one." Made it 188 kills for the day; thanks, twinkie.

I can understand 39-42 warriors thinking they can take out a 39 priest of unknown spec, but a 37? Puh-lease. If she'd managed to stay on the boat, it would've just taken a bit longer. And no, I'm not particularly good, I just got some good advice on where to spend my talent points. I'm respecing at 40 for Shadowform, but I'm staying at 39 to get the best pvp gear at AB (and WG if I can stand creeping along at 1 medal each 'cause we always lose) first. I agree, capture-the-flag sucks ass. Especially when half of the team is scattering in all directions and the other half is whining about the lack of teamwork.

*Post Mortem Syndrome.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Haven't bothered with PvP on my dr00d. On the other hand, I've received regular compliments on my bear-form tanking, which pleases me greatly. One of these days, I'll work more on kitty-form being for something other than grinding. Hopefully 46 by the end of the week.

I know Blizz has made some (typically vague) statments re: the levelling issue in pre-BC areas. I hope they fix them up and soon. The curve within the draenei/blood elf areas is so much smoother, and with rewards that are actually worth the hassle. Right now, everything I have is group-only and has me bouncing all over the damned virtual planet.

[Sock Puppet]

Those kitty-form dr00ds give me fits. But a channeled spell keeps 'em in front of me long enough to get 'em DoTted. Good thing too, 'cause I have a lot of them on my ganklist. I was ready to start keeping track with a pen and paper before I discovered that mod. Now my vindictive grudging has full digital enhancement.

Fucking druids.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Just wait 'til I finally win a damned PowerBall and have time to play a lot. When I get my 1337 3p1x, I'm gonna r0xx0r you, preachy. :P

[Sock Puppet]

Good, bring it on, tree-boy. I'm rooting for your PowerBall win just so I can get you back on my server part-time so I can kill you repeatedly.

(Who am I kidding ... you'll always level 3x faster than me. My only hope would be to level one toon to 70 and keep it in reserve for when you pwnt me.)

This weekend was double-honor in WSG. Unfortunately, I could only play for a couple hours late Saturday night. But, after losing 2 rounds, I managed to get into groups that actually WON 4 times in a row. :faint: Must have pulled in some players from other servers, 'cause the IQ level underwent a sudden jump. Got's me a nice ring out of it. I'm only gonna stomach WSG for one more goddamned item before I level, the lvl-40 cloth bracers. Those are teh r0xx0r and I lust after them. I'd like to pick up the caster trinket too, but I'd prefer to level sometime in the next year.

Next week is double-honor in AB. That's so much more tolerable that I'll be sure to find more time to play. I only want 2 items from there, the belt and the boots. That's the big suck about WSG; the capture-the-flag object is annoying as hell, but the rewards are better & more varied. I'll bet that's intentional. Friggin' Blizzard probably concluded, "Yeah, this bg sucks ass, so let's put the must-have rewards there; otherwise, nobody will play it."

[Julie]

I've been playing just over a month now...still all of that was total Greek to me.

I'm happily lv away at my lock, will hit 30 today, 31 if the questing goes well.
(Lol I just figured out what "Lock" means the other day)

[Sock Puppet]

It's battleground stuff. Essentially, there are rewards you can cash in for the honor points and marks of honor that are gained in the battlegrounds, that you can't get anywhere else. You can't buy 'em, get them as quest rewards, or find them by looting dead monsters.

Speaking of which, for all my tough talk, I just discovered a PvP reward item that I must have. It's a trinket that renders one immune to all magic effects that affect casting ability - fear, charm, yadda. I simply must have it. Imagine the chagrin of enemy players when their precious li'l charm spell doesn't work .... :eager: :drool:

[seebs]

I do not do ANY pvp. I think it's annoying, and I wish they had servers where it simply did not exist outside of BGs.

[Sock Puppet]

:confused: Not having played on a PvE server, I guess I'm confused. I thought that's exactly what PvE servers provided: no PvP except in BGs and Arenas. Or is it just the possibility of participating in world PvP by "flagging" that's a problem? I got tricked into flagging once in Horde territory as a n00b by a level-70 asshole, but it only happened once, and I'm pretty sure I can avoid it happening again (not that I'll be in non-contested territory much until I start leveling a new toon).

Sure, the big Crossroads raid 'n' such are lame, but I can just walk past them without worrying about getting killed. Sometimes I sit and watch the carnage, other times I just ignore it the way I do the duelers.

I had serious reservations about world PvP at first, especially when I got ganked several times while trying to quest in the 20s. But once I hit 35 or so, I started getting it down, and now I rather like the added element. It still gives me fits once in awhile, but then, so do some of the quests. There are fun little moments I've had, such as the boat episode I mentioned above, that wouldn't have happened without world PvP.

I am, however, already tired of BGs. If the issue with the level range would be addressed, say by grouping tighter level ranges rather than just x0-x9, BGs would be a lot more fun. I'd much rather do more frequent BG breaks while leveling rather than just slogging through them over & over at every _9 level. But if you want the gear, it's what you have to do. For now, I'm taking Uthgar's advice & not expecting Blizzard to make such a sensible change anytime soon.

[seebs]

I don't want automatic flagging to exist, at all.

One time I got autoflagged by trying to res a corpse I saw. Since you can't see flags on a corpse, there was no way to know he was flagged.

I do not want it to be possible for another player to kill an NPC that I need to interact with.

Basically, I don't mind PvP existing, I just don't want it to ever be inflicted on me when I'm not in the mood.

[Sock Puppet]

Ah, that clarifies it. Thanks. I agree, there should be a way to tell whether a specific action will flag you, such as rezzing. There should also be a way to make it impossible for some asshole on a flying mount to swoop in just as a lowbie character is clicking on a mob and trick them into flagging. Standing on top of an NPC is a pretty shitty practice that ought to be made unavailable, too.

And there's nothing more freaking annoying than when some 733t twit kills the innkeeper and the flight master, effectively shutting down the entire post. That shit ought to be stopped. Then again, until it is, I'm doing it myself when I get pissed off at Alliance treachery (when I get to level 70, that is).

But as above, I won't hold my breath. Blizzard, ultimately, doesn't give a shit. At least I've got the GankList mod now. I feel less petty just clicking a button to add to my revenge list, rather than using a pen and paper.

[Goliath]

And there's nothing more freaking annoying than when some 733t twit kills the innkeeper and the flight master, effectively shutting down the entire post. That shit ought to be stopped.

Amen to that! IMO, people who do that shit may as well be screaming "I'm completely bored, and my character has absolutely nothing else to do!" If I were in charge at Blizzard, I'd either make all flight masters and inn keepers level, oh, say 1,000 (Elite) or, in my more angry and cynical moods, I'd delete any character that kills more than 2 or 3 flight masters. :fuming:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Unfortunately, it looks like Blizzard will be opening high level dungeons in low level areas. They have to know that this will immediately cause massive grief-fests by bored high level players waiting for the whole raid to arrive. Maybe if Warhammer actually delivers on its impossible promises, the migration will cause Blizzard to start turning its focus away from PvP (stop nerfing me because of PvP, dammit!).

On the other hand, I'm halfway to level 51 on my dr00d, so with persistence and about a billion Kara runs at 70, I too may join the lowbie overrunnings. :D

[viscousmemories]

I was surfing around the Comedy Central site the other day and found some clips of the Emmy-winning (seriously) South Park episode Make Love, not Warcraft. Damn funny stuff. (Whoops, I see Kyuss posted the clips (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=390738#post390738) way back on the first page of this thread.)

[Sock Puppet]

Shit, there are already bored 70s all over friggin' Ganklethorn, as Zehava mentioned before. So now instead of griefing the 30s they'll be griefing the 20s? Teens? Greeeeat idea, Blizzard.

I'm still hanging out at 39, as I haven't had much time or energy for the BG frustration. But Call to Arms starts today at AB, and I might actually get to go in with guildies this weekend, if the duct tape holds on the wife & kid.

Oh, and for all you PvE lovers: Here's one of my favorite "official" WoW comics. I love it 'cause I've BEEN that Undead chick, and had exactly the same thing go through my mind. (Linked 'cause it's sorta hyooidge (http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=172&Set=64).)

[Zehava]

Unfortunately, it looks like Blizzard will be opening high level dungeons in low level areas. They have to know that this will immediately cause massive grief-fests by bored high level players waiting for the whole raid to arrive. Maybe if Warhammer actually delivers on its impossible promises, the migration will cause Blizzard to start turning its focus away from PvP (stop nerfing me because of PvP, dammit!).

On the other hand, I'm halfway to level 51 on my dr00d, so with persistence and about a billion Kara runs at 70, I too may join the lowbie overrunnings. :D

Agreed. This is one thing that got me to finally and irrevocably cancel my account.... for the 3rd time. High level dungeons belong in high level areas.

And as for Karazhan... forget it for pure damage gear the season 2 arena gear simply cannot be beaten. Ok that assume you are staying feral at 70, but really for any DPS class you will find no better gear than the arena gear, HANDS DOWN. It's not even close.

[Sock Puppet]

Say, in between the 3rd and 4th times you irrevocably cancel your account, could I get the free month for referring you to the Scroll of Resurrection thingie? kthx. :wink:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I know the arena gear is better, but Blizzard is implementing a minimum rating to qualify for l3wtz. And, despite my bravado, I completely suck at PvP. There is no chance in hell I'll ever last in an arena, assuming someone else was stupid enough to let me join a team.

And DPS is just for grinding. When I instance, I'm a tankabear (and love it). Not as great as a prot spec'd warrior (which will probably be my next roll), but I can at least off-tank with the best of them with the right gear. Heck, even with modestly crappy gear, my mitigation is about 55%.

RAWR! :)

And the new instances are apparently going to be close to starting zones. Yeah, this is going to end well...

[Leesifer]

So I met up with an old friend of mine who has given me a code for a 10 day free pass to WOW. I watched him play for a while on Saturday morning and I just know I'm going to be totally addicted.

[Julie]

Lees what server do you and your friend play on?

[Uthgar the Brazen]

i becha shez on 1 adem yoorohpeeuhn survurz.

[Zehava]

I know the arena gear is better, but Blizzard is implementing a minimum rating to qualify for l3wtz. And, despite my bravado, I completely suck at PvP. There is no chance in hell I'll ever last in an arena, assuming someone else was stupid enough to let me join a team.

And DPS is just for grinding. When I instance, I'm a tankabear (and love it). Not as great as a prot spec'd warrior (which will probably be my next roll), but I can at least off-tank with the best of them with the right gear. Heck, even with modestly crappy gear, my mitigation is about 55%.

RAWR! :)

And the new instances are apparently going to be close to starting zones. Yeah, this is going to end well...

Well I've been out of the loop for a couple of months and was unaware of the arena changes. Let me guess this this new "ranking" system will be a ladder system like the BGs were initially. :P

Druid tanks are better then prot warriors, especially vs multiple mobs. In fact I'll take a druid tank over a prot warrior any day, or better yet a protection paladin. Nobody beats a protection paladin for tanking multiple mobs at a time. Prot warriors are good at tanking single mobs (bosses) but have a difficult time with multiple mobs.

Level 70/80 dungeons near starter areas, fuck yes!!! Let's put it in Lakeshire just outside the town, near the flight master. It'll make Lakeshire a hopping place, Horde can kill level 10-20 Alliance with impunity. Great times. :D

[Uthgar the Brazen]

:nojustno:

[Zehava]

:nojustno:

Come on, being Horde isn't easy, they need all the help they can get.

I mean look at the huge dental problems Orcs and Trolls have, not to mention orcal steroid abuse.

And undead have the whole problem of being animated corpses. Tauren? They are fucking cows man. Blood elves? Drug addicts.

Obviously the horde is in dire need of love, giving them easier access to slaughter lowbie Alliance members is only fair.

Even Horde territory is working against them. Take the Barrens for instance, it is so PvE friendly that the poor hordlings get to spend about 20 levels or so there (10-30'ish). This puts them so far behind the Alliance in PvP ability that they HAVE to make up for it by ganking low level Alliance. If you add in the Scarlet Monestary, a Horde member could make it to the mid 40's before ever seeing an Alliance player. It's a wonder Horde players can kill any Alliance at all.

Blizzard has no other option but to give them a leg up in PvP.








BTW.. that's only half sarcastic :wink:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I am one of those nutcases who wishes Blizzard hadn't tacked on PvP to begin with. At least outside of battleground type situations.

When I wanna smack someone and look good doing it, I load up Guild Wars. ;)

[Zehava]

You and me both pal.

Like you I am hoping Warhammer Online can get it right.

[Sock Puppet]

Popped 40. Got's my mount, got's my Shadowform. All is r0xx0r with the world. I'm looking forward to going back to owning the auction house with my potions.

Screw the BGs. I might just go straight for 70 from here and just cry out to guild-mates if I have Alliance issues. I don't anticipate any until I pop 50, anyway; during the bit of PvE I did last night, Alliance players took one look at me & my 'lock buddy, and took off running from our bad selves. Twice in a row. :flex: Apparently, 40-50 is the O.P. "golden age" for shadow-spec'd priests. It'll suck when that pendulum swings back, but I'm gonna enjoy the ride until then. Unless maybe, just maybe, Blizzard might decide to nerf somebody else for awhile? Pretty plz?

Zehava, you left out the part about how Blizzard loves the friggin' Alliance. Other than that, you got it pretty well covered - except I never figured out how to level through the 20s without contested-territory gankage. At least I figured out how to avoid the Hillsbrad ghetto; that probably saved me a lot of grief.

[Zehava]

Popped 40. Got's my mount, got's my Shadowform. All is r0xx0r with the world. I'm looking forward to going back to owning the auction house with my potions.

Congrats. 40 is a big milestone and the mount is such a freaking time saver.

Screw the BGs. I might just go straight for 70 from here and just cry out to guild-mates if I have Alliance issues. I don't anticipate any until I pop 50, anyway; during the bit of PvE I did last night, Alliance players took one look at me & my 'lock buddy, and took off running from our bad selves. Twice in a row. :flex: Apparently, 40-50 is the O.P. "golden age" for shadow-spec'd priests. It'll suck when that pendulum swings back, but I'm gonna enjoy the ride until then. Unless maybe, just maybe, Blizzard might decide to nerf somebody else for awhile? Pretty plz?

Yeah the shadow priest-warlock combo is disgustingly over powered. Fuckloads of synergy between the classes.

Zehava, you left out the part about how Blizzard loves the friggin' Alliance. Other than that, you got it pretty well covered - except I never figured out how to level through the 20s without contested-territory gankage. At least I figured out how to avoid the Hillsbrad ghetto; that probably saved me a lot of grief.

You are playing Horde right? As I mentioned above it's not too difficult for Horde to get to mid 40's w/o ever entering contested territory. It does though require a lot of grinding in the southern barrens, Dun Mough (sp?) or the Razorthorn mobs. Also it requires many many dungeon runs through Razor Fen Kraul and Razor Fen Downs.

RFK will get you to about 30 and RFD to upper 30's or 40. From there head over to Scarlet Monestary and that is good until at least mid 40's.

It's doable, but just requires a lot of XP grinding and dungeon run after dungeon run.

The Alliance on the other hand is completely screwed past about level 20. You HAVE to go to contested territory to level/quest. Not only that but the contested territory you have to go to (Lakeshire) is incredibly easy for high level Horde to get to. After that is Duskwood and that is conveniently close to Ganklethorn and a quick run for the Horde as well.

So not only are Horde town/flight paths situated for quick access to major quest areas of Alliance players, they actually have the best territory for leveling toons through the mid levels. The Horde gets the best of PvP and PvE.

[Sock Puppet]

I guess that explains why Alliance are so damned gank-happy on our server. I was wondering why they can't ever let me mind my own damned business, turns out they must be cranky from getting screwed by Horde for dozens of levels on end. Heh.

S'funny, the only reason my friend is leveling a warlock is because he changed toons when a certain :ff: member joined us with his warrior. We only found out later, after that person abandoned us, that we wound up with one of the best tag-teams in the game. Soooo, thanks. :P Too bad we look alike, that wasn't intentional either.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I taught you self-reliance and how to adapt to a changing landscape. Kwityerbichin. :P

[Sock Puppet]

Yeah, and my Dad taught me how to swim on my own by tossing me overboard in the middle of a deep lake. :ptht:

Stupid traumatic childhood!
:homer:

BTW, I miss the constant insults in party chat. My 'lock buddy is good for that, but occasionally he slips and gives me a compliment. It's confusing, dammit.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Yeah, I kinda miss that, too. Not only did I join the frelling Alliance, but I'm well entrenched in a guild that's all...nice...and stuff.

It's madness! ;)

[Sock Puppet]

Seriously though, you probably made the right choice. Outside of our guild, most of the Horde players on our server are dumber than dessicated dogshit. Which is no problem most of the time (just turn off some of the chat channels), but it's a serious drag when you actually might want to, y'know, win a few BGs. "Hold 3 nodes" seems like a simple enough strategy for Arathi Basin, but apparently it's beyond most of them, and rejected in favor of the tried 'n' true method of "Scatter in 10 different directions and complain in the BG channel about how everybody sucks."

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Seeing as that's the typical Alliance strategy, as well, it's a wonder anybody ever wins.

[Goliath]

You know, you could skip about 99.9% of all unwanted PvP by playing characters on a normal server... :D

[Sock Puppet]

Meh, I hated it in the 20-something levels, was ambivalent until about level 35, and now I rather like it. To each his/her/its own. I'd like it even better if Blizzard were a bit more sensible in the implementation, but as it is, it has its own sick rewards. It definitely forced me to become a better overall player. The first time a fellow Priest pwned me, I learned tons about how to use spells more effectively.

[Leesifer]

Lees what server do you and your friend play on?

I'm just downloading it now - only another 31 hours or so. We play on Stormrage, apparently.

i becha shez on 1 adem yoorohpeeuhn survurz.

He's not wrong, you know.

[Sock Puppet]

Sweet flaming hordelings. I'm glad I just bought the damned CDs and ran the patch. 10 free days ain't worth that much DL time.

[Leesifer]

Hey! I'm doing this due to drunken chats with an old mate who gave me a free pass. I'll leave it running overnight and we've arranged to meet up somewhere in WOW tomorrow eveing.

I have no clue as to what I'm doing. So, any helpful hints would be... well, helpful!

Oh, and it would probably download a tad faster if I weren't on here and other places on t'internet. :grin:

[Sock Puppet]

Helpful hints: If your old mate is also starting a new character ("toon" in WoW-speak), you should probably pick the same race so you start in the same area.

For a first character, try not to pick the ones that are tougher to level up. Priests and Mages start out annoyingly underpowered, but later become badass. Unless you're positive you will commit to the character come hell or high water, pick one that starts out easier. I'm told that Hunters are the easiest for n00bs, but I've never played one. I started leveling a Warlock and that seemed awfully easy, but that could be because I'm used to playing a Priest. If you have madd skillz at "first-person shooter" type games, Rogues are a good choice 'cause you get to hop around and dodge a lot. Ditto for Druids. If you prefer to stand in one place to fight, pick a spellcasting class; again, probably Warlock.

But despite my mention of FPS, WoW is NOT an FPS. You actually have the option of zooming your camera angle in and playing it from a "first person" perspective. Do NOT do this. Shit will sneak up on you constantly, and you will die. Instead, zoom the camera out to maximum range so you can keep an eye on what's around your character. You can zoom in every once in awhile, when you know you're safe, to get a better look at some of the cooler stuff.

Also keep in mind "racial bonuses" when picking your race & class. Each race has a handful of unique abilities, and usually support a couple of classes really well. For example, Dwarf and Undead are probably the best Priest races. The Blood Elves (Horde) have an excellent starting point for spellcasters. Go to WoW's official site (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com) for good newbie info, just don't believe all of their propaganda.

Also, there are LOTS of "AddOns" that make playing the game much easier. These are usually called "mods" and can be found on the unofficial fan pages. The mods I use that I would never want to give up are "Auctioneer" (makes it much easier to make "gold" in the game), the "CT" suite of mods (contains tons of stuff, mostly to make using the button bars about 1000% easier), and "Cartographer" (if you get only one mod, get this one -- it makes your map much more useful, and also includes map coordinates, which are important if you use any of the online quest guides). I also use GankList, which is only useful on PvP servers (it keeps track of all the enemy players who've killed you unfairly so you can take revenge), and DoTtimers, which currently is only helping to annoy me 'cause I can't figure out where to stick the extra info so it doesn't get in the way.

[Leesifer]

Thanks Sock. I was going to go for a warlock.

I watched my friend playing for a while and it does look like a game I will totally love (become addicted to).

He was playing his warlock character. He's got a few, I think.

Luckily, things have quietened down at work during the day - still have my evening work - so, I intend to read up on a few things tomorrow. It should have finished downloading by tomorrow evening.

ETA: I like the sound of making the button bars easier. There are so many!

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Amendment to SP's advice: hold off on add-ons at first. Get used to the default interface, learn its every nuance, and once you've pushed it as far as you can and know better what would really be handy for your particular playstyle, then go for it.

That said, I use CTMod and lurves it. And for times when it won't do, MoveAnything is fantastic. Worry 'bout that later.

As for hopping around, that's a conceit of overstimulated younguns who are too easily impressed by colour and movement. Please don't be a hopper; just say no. ;)

[Julie]

Go tot he store, spend the $20 to get the disks....it includes your first month adn well worth it caus that download? It dosnt include the patch...add oh 6-14 hours more download time to what you already have!

Plus it has the manual, which is really handy for noobs.


Found deviate delight today...been walking around as a human pirate or a ninja all day. Very weird considering I play a gnome. LOVE those things....and I get as many cooked ones as I can fish...made almost 20g today! which doubled my bank ;)

Oh and STV? Ya kicking my ass! I'm lv 33 and having a hell of a time there!

[seebs]

Hopping around and dodging may work on players; it has no effect on mobs, generally.

Hunter is indeed ezmode.

Another option is to play orc/troll or dwarf/gnome pairs. One couple I know did a dwarf paladin and a gnome warlock just so they could start in the same area and not have to pay for mounts until L60.

[seebs]

Amendment to SP's advice: hold off on add-ons at first. Get used to the default interface, learn its every nuance, and once you've pushed it as far as you can and know better what would really be handy for your particular playstyle, then go for it.

That said, I use CTMod and lurves it. And for times when it won't do, MoveAnything is fantastic. Worry 'bout that later.

As for hopping around, that's a conceit of overstimulated younguns who are too easily impressed by colour and movement. Please don't be a hopper; just say no. ;)

I actually disagree about the interface. The default interface sucks ass, and omits crucial features. A few simple addons can make a HUGE difference in your basic ability to interact with the game. Info addons are valuable for getting a better feel for what's going on; pure UI mods are also quite handy for spending more time playing, less time clicking. Coordinate mods are particularly and exceptionally useful.

It is possible to overdo it (I do, rather), but there is serious benefit to having mods like Auctioneer loaded if your machine can handle them.

BTW, one other thing: In case it's not obvious, "autorun" in the keybindings means "the button which makes me run until I do something else". You do not have to hold down the movement key to move!

[Zehava]

Oh and STV? Ya kicking my ass! I'm lv 33 and having a hell of a time there!

Yeah this place really sucks. I usually wait until level 40 before beginning quests here. Sure many of the initial quests are gray by then, but having a mount makes a HUGE difference in your ability to avoid gankage in STV.

At 33 there is still Desolace, Alterac Mountains and Arathi Highlands for quests.

[Sock Puppet]

Yeah, I was pretty much thinking PvP with the hopping and the dodging and the "hey, hey, hey, it hurts me." You can give a caster fits by constantly moving behind him/her and interrupting the spells, at least until they find their channeled-spell button - and even then, you've removed a couple of their options if they can't do any non-instant-cast spells.

As for the addons, yeah, you won't need the button enhancements for the first few levels. But once you get more than 12 oft-used abilities/spells/whatever, you'll want the CTMod so you can display them all on the screen at once. Having to scroll through button bars sucks worg ass. I tried that for awhile, and ended up trying to fish mobs to death more than once. Hint: a fishing pole is a lousy combat weapon. Also, Cartography is useful from day one, as soon as you turn off the parts that generate error messages.

Another n00b hint: I don't think the manual says much of anything about what to sell to whom. It mentions the auction house but IIRC it neglects to explain the text-color system regarding saleable items. When you mouse over an item in your inventory, the name of it appears in colored text. Items with gray text are the least valuable/useful, followed by white, green, blue, and purple. You won't see anything blue at first, let alone purple. Anything gray or white that's not useful, sell to vendors (but make sure you know what's useful & what's not - some white items are very useful to somebody and can even fetch good money at auction). Anything green that you can't use personally, sell at the Auction House (AH), which can be found at any major city friendly to your faction.

I've learned tons about how to sell at the auction house, but I won't overload you with info before you've even started playing. Just a couple highlights:

-The default auction length when you put an item up is 8 hours. The choices are 2 hours (or is it 4? I never use this one), 8 hours, and 24 hours. The manual actually recommends the shortest duration to save money on deposits. This is WRONG. At least 90% of the time, it's worth the extra deposit money to set the auction at 24 hours. The longer your item is up for sale, the more competing bids you'll get. You might not even get a single bid in the first 8 hours, and then that cheaper deposit is flushed.

-Items will sell better at the AH when other players are online. This means that weekends, holidays, etc. are better times to sell. I've even held onto a few "greens" that I picked up during the week and dumped them in the AH on Friday or Saturday night. One exception on my server: for some reason, Tuesday nights are popular battleground nights, and my potions sell like hotcakes.

-Do a search on the item you're selling. If there are a lot of them with no bids, don't try to sell it yet. However, if there are a lot of them but they all have good bids on them already, go ahead.

-Get to know the AH before you get the Auctioneer mod. At the early levels you won't make tons of money anyway, so feel free to experiment. I'm not even going to talk about buyouts, which are extremely useful, but not before you have a feel for how the auctions run.

-DON'T BUY GEAR AT THE AUCTION HOUSE! Let other players do that. At the early levels especially, you can get all the gear you need from looting mob corpses. Later you can get better gear from instances and battlegrounds. I have never bought a single piece of armor or weapon at the AH. I bought one wand as a n00b, from a vendor, and ended up regretting it. The only stuff I buy at the AH, even now, are some materials for professions or secondary skills, and then only when I can't get them from farming or looting.

[Zehava]

It is possible to overdo it (I do, rather), but there is serious benefit to having mods like Auctioneer loaded if your machine can handle them.

Auctioneer and Enchantrix are two add-ons I would not do without. Auctioneer especially even if you are only an infrequent seller/buyer -- it's that nice.

Necrosis for Warlocks and Holy Hope for Paladins, these two will save you many slots on the quick bar (most everything for these two classes can be done from the radial menu the add-on gives you).

[Sock Puppet]

I second the bit about Stranglethorn. I'm not even going there at level 40 without my questing buddy. Questing alone there is a big suck, 'cause there are always tag-team enemy players there. You'll still get wasted a few times by bored level 60-70s, but at least you can cut out more than half the gankage. As Horde, I did Thousand Needles/Shimmering Flats, then Desolace, and then Arathi to get through the 30s. I got over one full level out of Cresting Exiles alone; those things are fun to kill.

[seebs]

I gave up on Necrosis due to unmaintained, buggy, and bloated. Haven't found a good replacement yet.

[Zehava]

:wtfsign: This (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/18/blizzard_disbands_roleplay_guild/) is just creepy.

[Sock Puppet]

Holy shit.

But Blizzard blind eye has recently come into focus.Don't worry, I'm sure it didn't last.

I'm not the slightest bit interested in any form of cybersex, let alone that creepy shit. But maybe this will induce changes in WoW so we can tell whether a player is a minor or not. I know, NBL - but a Sock can dream. It would be utterly suh-weet to be able to auto-ignore kiddies in the game.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Hmmm, that's not Abhorrent Taboo's first appearance in WoW, either. I remember them from a couple of years ago making the same stink. Most of the freaks of pixellated pseudosex congregate in Goldshire, which is why I never defend it against Horde incursions. I'd help burn it down if I could.

I thought Enchantrix was permanently broken since TBC? I need to fire up Auctioneer again, though. And selling during the week can be very lucrative, depending on what one is selling. Crafted items known to be used in quests can go for a nice premium during the week when supply is scarce. Which is why I chunked out 10g this morning for a mithril casing. *grumbles*

[Sock Puppet]

Necrosis for Warlocks and Holy Hope for Paladins, these two will save you many slots on the quick bar (most everything for these two classes can be done from the radial menu the add-on gives you).Do you know of a radial-menu mod for Priests? I've been considering giving that a go, because I often find myself mouse-clicking spells rather than hotkeying. I'm often unacceptably clumsy with the keyboard.

Point taken about the AH. I was trying just to focus on general principles for n00bs.

[Zehava]

Necrosis for Warlocks and Holy Hope for Paladins, these two will save you many slots on the quick bar (most everything for these two classes can be done from the radial menu the add-on gives you).Do you know of a radial-menu mod for Priests? I've been considering giving that a go, because I often find myself mouse-clicking spells rather than hotkeying. I'm often unacceptably clumsy with the keyboard.

Point taken about the AH. I was trying just to focus on general principles for n00bs.

I never did see anything like this for Priests (my main toon was a Holy Priest). None of the Priest add-ons I saw or tried were very satisfactory.

I ended up using none on my Priest and having ALL my action bars full (even having to swap out some spells on the bars for others depending on what instance we were doing). There was one add-on that sounded great (I forget the name) but it allowed you to assign spells to ALT/SHIFT/CTRL-Right Clicks, so you could simply target something then ALT/SHIFT/CTRL-Right Click and cast the assigned spell. I never could get it running.

[Zehava]

I thought Enchantrix was permanently broken since TBC? I need to fire up Auctioneer again, though. And selling during the week can be very lucrative, depending on what one is selling. Crafted items known to be used in quests can go for a nice premium during the week when supply is scarce. Which is why I chunked out 10g this morning for a mithril casing. *grumbles*

Hmmm... not sure about Enchantrix being broken. I'm not sure what version I was running, since I haven't played in a couple of months, but even with TBC it was showing what an item disenchants into and what % chance you have of getting what materials.

That's all I used it for.

And quitcherbitchin about having to chunk out 10g for a Mithril Casing. That and Gyrochronotoms are about the only thing Engineers can sell for a profit. :P

[Leesifer]

Oh dear! I totally :love: this game. I started playing this morning - some limitations due to it being a free trial period.

Unfortunately, I can see it eating into my :ff: time, and my work time and my socialising and ..., well you get the picture.

If any of youse Europeans check out Stormrage then I'm ..... wait for it.... Leesifer! :grin:

[Sock Puppet]

Such an awesome toon name! :wink: I'm glad you're liking it. One of these days I'll figure out how to get onto the Euroservers and come & stalk you. Right now I'm having way too much fun pwning every Alliance character anywhere near my level, even 2 at a time. Shadowform continues to rawk, and I gots me lots of + spell damage gear.

Runnin' low on gold, though. Had to pick up some bigger bags. But I'm loving the herbage in Swamp of Sorrows; that's gonna make me some serious lettuce pretty soon.

[seebs]

I don't think letting people tell who's a minor is a good idea -- no point in giving the creeps targeting help. I once sent a ten-year-old a very polite letter pointing out that he probably shouldn't TELL people that he's ten.

[Sock Puppet]

Good point, I suppose. I'd just love to be able to avoid pugs with kiddies, but like most of the rest of my WoW wishlist items, it ain't never gonna happen, anyway.

[Zehava]

Such an awesome toon name! :wink: I'm glad you're liking it. One of these days I'll figure out how to get onto the Euroservers and come & stalk you. Right now I'm having way too much fun pwning every Alliance character anywhere near my level, even 2 at a time. Shadowform continues to rawk, and I gots me lots of + spell damage gear.

Runnin' low on gold, though. Had to pick up some bigger bags. But I'm loving the herbage in Swamp of Sorrows; that's gonna make me some serious lettuce pretty soon.

Shadoweave and Felcoth sets give lots of +shadow damage. Unfortunately the stats on most pieces suck (lots of +SPI).

[Smilin]

Puppet, what are your professions in WOW?

I too have developed a serious WOW addiction and reading this thread really has me pumped and salivating over when I'll FINALLY GET MY FUCKIN' LAPTOP back from the serviceman.

Fuckin' HP Compaq and there cheap ass power connector design!

Good GOG I'm goin' through withdrawel symptoms here...it's hell when you have the urge and your significant other would rather spend HER time on her laptop doing some silly shit such as answering question on yahoo or some silly strange shit like that! :lol:

My 'toon' is currently a rogue at level 63 and loving the Outlands...LOL...

For anyone interested I'm on the "Malorne" server, Diebastages is my "toons" name...lol

Closer you get to endgame, the more enjoyable the dayum game becomes!

[Uthgar the Brazen]

3.25 levels to go before I can finally get to Outlands. I dumped all my ST quests since 'old world' is so empty these days. I'm just solo-quest grinding 'til I can finally join the rest of the universe.

And hoping that WoW makes good on revisiting 'old world' leveling so it goes a bit faster and is more rewarding. Then my alts will be fun, instead of making me cry after level 30.

[seebs]

I don't really mind the levelling in the old world, on most classes; there's nearly always something comfortable and easy, as long as you keep your rest bonus good.

[Sock Puppet]

Puppet, what are your professions in WOW?Herbalism & Alchemy. Practically free friggin' money, once I figured out which potions sell at which times, and which are useless beyond the skill-up. Sometime this week I'm gonna forgo all XP & just farm with my horsie's help. (Invisibility potions FTW! Farm in Arathi, auction, profit.) I got a portal to Shattrath City & set my hearthstone there; not only can I portal from there to any Horde capital city, there's also an Alchemy trainer there that can train me all the way up. To get Master Herbalism I need to get to Hellfire, but I can probably farm everything I can get my grubby mitts on at 300 until I'm leveled up enough to get there. Or I can just pester a guildmate into portalling me to the trainer's town in Hellfire.

I'm still just level 42. Damned fambly keeps getting in the way of WoW. I have GOT to get some stronger duct tape.

[Zehava]

Puppet, what are your professions in WOW?Herbalism & Alchemy. Practically free friggin' money, once I figured out which potions sell at which times, and which are useless beyond the skill-up. Sometime this week I'm gonna forgo all XP & just farm with my horsie's help. (Invisibility potions FTW! Farm in Arathi, auction, profit.) I got a portal to Shattrath City & set my hearthstone there; not only can I portal from there to any Horde capital city, there's also an Alchemy trainer there that can train me all the way up. To get Master Herbalism I need to get to Hellfire, but I can probably farm everything I can get my grubby mitts on at 300 until I'm leveled up enough to get there. Or I can just pester a guildmate into portalling me to the trainer's town in Hellfire.

I'm still just level 42. Damned fambly keeps getting in the way of WoW. I have GOT to get some stronger duct tape.

You can get to 300 Herbalism in the Swamp of Sorrows pretty easy. Lots and lots of Blindweed there.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Just watch out for the dragon.

[Sock Puppet]

Yeah, Somnus is friggin' spooky. He (she?) even started to go after me when I was grinding dragonkin, but luckily he moves slowly and I got away. Lurves me them PvP-reward booties with the increased run speed. :unrun:

I'm already at 282 herbalism from that lovely blindweed. I may have to be a pest about the Hellfire portal just 'cause I'm anal about wanting to keep advancing the skill, even though I doubt I'll need >300 anytime soon.

[Zehava]

I'm already at 282 herbalism from that lovely blindweed. I may have to be a pest about the Hellfire portal just 'cause I'm anal about wanting to keep advancing the skill, even though I doubt I'll need >300 anytime soon.

Yeah you can't get past 300 skill until you reach 60 anyways.

[Sock Puppet]

In that case, I'll just concentrate on cashing in on Alchemy. I spent oodles of gold recently on better bags, mount, training & shit, and I gotta get it back just on general principle.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I'm finding enchanting to be very useful in that regards (getting back ill-spent gains). It's expensive to grind up, but once high enough to d/e upper end items for mats, the skill's been making me a tidy sum every weekend on the AH.

Thank you, goldfarmer ruined economy! Cha-CHING! ;)

[seebs]

I'm already at 282 herbalism from that lovely blindweed. I may have to be a pest about the Hellfire portal just 'cause I'm anal about wanting to keep advancing the skill, even though I doubt I'll need >300 anytime soon.

Yeah you can't get past 300 skill until you reach 60 anyways.

50.

I have a L51 druid with 340 engineering and 320 or so herbalism.

[Zehava]

I'm finding enchanting to be very useful in that regards (getting back ill-spent gains). It's expensive to grind up, but once high enough to d/e upper end items for mats, the skill's been making me a tidy sum every weekend on the AH.

Thank you, goldfarmer ruined economy! Cha-CHING! ;)

If you are only going to disenchant items to sell the materials then you only need 275 enchanting. I haven't found anything that takes more than that to disenchant.

[Sock Puppet]

Goddamned server kicked me off just as a level 70 paladin asshole was ganking me on the boat. My fault for forgetting to pick up the Booty Bay flight path (and for being dumb enough to hope the asshole would behave himself), but still. Took me a goddamned hour to get back on. The server didn't appear to be down for anybody else in my guild, and my net connection was solid the whole time, so I have no idea what happened. I blame the stupid patch. If they ain't gonna un-nerf any of the nerfs they've nerfed my class with, they can shove their lousy patches.

At least now I've filled in the missing flight path link with a run to the Badlands. Now I can fly across both continents and get ganked anywhere I want. I'm using the Jame's Horde Leveling Guide off and on, but replacing a lot of it with grinding or following quests he says not to take, since it's painfully obvious his guides are not written for PvP servers. Specifically, I'm skipping most of the quests that need to be filled right next to the goddamned instance in Ganklethorn. I don't need that kind of aggravation.

[Zehava]

I'm already at 282 herbalism from that lovely blindweed. I may have to be a pest about the Hellfire portal just 'cause I'm anal about wanting to keep advancing the skill, even though I doubt I'll need >300 anytime soon.

Yeah you can't get past 300 skill until you reach 60 anyways.

50.

I have a L51 druid with 340 engineering and 320 or so herbalism.

They changed it then, didn't they? Granted I haven't played in several months, but I'm sure is was 60 on release of TBC.

[Smilin]

I'm using the Jame's Horde Leveling Guide off and on, but replacing a lot of it with grinding or following quests he says not to take, since it's painfully obvious his guides are not written for PvP servers. Specifically, I'm skipping most of the quests that need to be filled right next to the goddamned instance in Ganklethorn. I don't need that kind of aggravation.

Is there a similar "leveling guide" for alliance?

fwiw, I'd gank your ass too if I ever came across it...

NUTTIN' better than "one strike" kills with my rogue on unsuspecting horde characters...yah...yah..I know, I'm a bastard, but it's SOO FUN being a bastard ain't it? LOL:lecher::giggle:
A tip for noobs to the game, always have a side-kick to show out for when ganking lower level players in the game..:D:popcorn:

How did ya'll think I came up with "Diebastages" and "Illkeelyou" as nicks for my current players?:wave:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I'm finding enchanting to be very useful in that regards (getting back ill-spent gains). It's expensive to grind up, but once high enough to d/e upper end items for mats, the skill's been making me a tidy sum every weekend on the AH.

Thank you, goldfarmer ruined economy! Cha-CHING! ;)

If you are only going to disenchant items to sell the materials then you only need 275 enchanting. I haven't found anything that takes more than that to disenchant.

Mine's about 255 right now, so just a wee bit more to go. I do enchants as well, but they don't bring the cash in the way mats do. ;)

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I can't remember if you'd started before or after the last major patch, SP, so yes...welcome to patch day. Blizzard always manages to break the servers immediately afterwards. Or at least the authentication server, which is how I ended up getting other things done last night. ;)

[Smilin]

GOOD! I missed patch day and SHOULD be back online in about 7 more hours now and counting!


Laptop is hopefully fixed and just waiting for Daddy to get home! LOL

[Smilin]

I'm finding enchanting to be very useful in that regards (getting back ill-spent gains). It's expensive to grind up, but once high enough to d/e upper end items for mats, the skill's been making me a tidy sum every weekend on the AH.

Thank you, goldfarmer ruined economy! Cha-CHING! ;)

If you are only going to disenchant items to sell the materials then you only need 275 enchanting. I haven't found anything that takes more than that to disenchant.

Mine's about 255 right now, so just a wee bit more to go. I do enchants as well, but they don't bring the cash in the way mats do. ;)

FWIW Black Lotus brings in 25 gold a shot with herbalism and can be farmed rather easily in Winterspring.

Don't know what it's used for, just know the stuff gets snatched up immediately as soon as it's posted on the AH

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I know it's used for Cenarion Herbal Bags, which are 20-slot bags for the weed gatherers. 10 of 'em for one bag. PITA.

[Sock Puppet]

Is there a similar "leveling guide" for alliance?Who the fuck cares, Alliance scum? :wink:

But seriously, I don't know, but I'd guess there is. Might even be written by the same dude.

fwiw, I'd gank your ass too if I ever came across it...

NUTTIN' better than "one strike" kills with my rogue on unsuspecting horde characters...yah...yah..I know, I'm a bastard, but it's SOO FUN being a bastard ain't it? LOL:lecher::giggle:Unsuspecting, my ass. We all know you guys can't handle a fair fight.

Speaking of which, I have never ganked a single player. Nor have I lost a single fair fight except for my first one (and no, I don't creatively define "fair" to justify shit -- I have never killed any characters more than 3-4 levels below me, nor have I attacked a single player who was weakened or distracted; even the lower ones got killed only 'cause they didn't take the opportunity I gave them to run away, or at least throw me a friendly emote). I plan to make it all the way to level 70 without a single gank. Then I'm turning completely 180 and shutting down entire Alliance towns at a time. Payback's a bitch, and so am I.

The warriors are the most fun. I let 'em rush me, then slaughter them. Paladins too; they think their healing will save them. Just prolongs the inevitable.

[Smilin]

and have you seen how much 20 slot bags are going for?

The Moon Cloth ones were listing for around 250 gold each...A PIECE!

I was like...WTF Chuck? lol

[Smilin]

Is there a similar "leveling guide" for alliance?Who the fuck cares, Alliance scum? :wink:

But seriously, I don't know, but I'd guess there is. Might even be written by the same dude.

fwiw, I'd gank your ass too if I ever came across it...

NUTTIN' better than "one strike" kills with my rogue on unsuspecting horde characters...yah...yah..I know, I'm a bastard, but it's SOO FUN being a bastard ain't it? LOL:lecher::giggle:Unsuspecting, my ass. We all know you guys can't handle a fair fight.

Speaking of which, I have never ganked a single player. Nor have I lost a single fair fight except for my first one (and no, I don't creatively define "fair" to justify shit -- I have never killed any characters more than 3-4 levels below me, nor have I attacked a single player who was weakened or distracted; even the lower ones got killed only 'cause they didn't take the opportunity I gave them to run away, or at least throw me a friendly emote). I plan to make it all the way to level 70 without a single gank. Then I'm turning completely 180 and shutting down entire Alliance towns at a time. Payback's a bitch, and so am I.

The warriors are the most fun. I let 'em rush me, then slaughter them. Paladins too; they think their healing will save them. Just prolongs the inevitable.


Heh! Nothing like the feeling of stealthing up behind an ususpecting character and ganking them from behind with an "ambush" strike and "Cold-Blood" initiated...

Gog, I love being a rogue character!:popcorn:

(A move shown to me by my oldest son who's one of them horde fuckers, but he's a good kid besides all of that...lol)

Getting a 1500 hit point "crit" on unsuspecting players is what it's all about!..lol..

Get's the juices flowing so to speak...lol:giggle::innocent:

My next charcter is going to be a warlock! I've hated running into those fuckers and their fuckin'g "Fear" and "Drain Life"...

There is a specialty item available for rogues to "resist" "Fear" with, but alas, I'm several hundred honor points away from obtaining that trinket....sigghhhhhh....:chin:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

The Primal Mooncloth ones? What server are you on? On Shadow Council, the lowest I've ever seen one was for 400g, and the average was about 650g.

If primal mooncloth is as big a pain in the ass to make as normal mooncloth is (my dr00d's 300 tailoring atm), I can see this as being reasonable.

We all know you guys can't handle a fair fight.

Duh! 'S why we're rogues. :P

[Sock Puppet]

I've been wasting warlocks too. My friend & questing/bg partner is a warlock, and he gives me crap about my poor healing abilities, and I give him crap about always getting half the kills I get.

[Julie]

Thankfully my 20 slot shard bag wasn't nearly that much. It was ~10g on my server.

My 18 slot regular back packs are more than enough for me right now. But I think Im switching professions from leather skinning to herb and mining...I need something that brings in just a little G. I hate not having any and having no way to make any.

Altho I suppose having 40G at lv 34 isn't that bad.

[Zehava]

I'm finding enchanting to be very useful in that regards (getting back ill-spent gains). It's expensive to grind up, but once high enough to d/e upper end items for mats, the skill's been making me a tidy sum every weekend on the AH.

Thank you, goldfarmer ruined economy! Cha-CHING! ;)

If you are only going to disenchant items to sell the materials then you only need 275 enchanting. I haven't found anything that takes more than that to disenchant.

Mine's about 255 right now, so just a wee bit more to go. I do enchants as well, but they don't bring the cash in the way mats do. ;)

Sure don't.

I found it worthwhile to cruise the AH for cheap, <5g, items level 65 to 70 buy and disenchant. When I left Arcane Dust was going to 2g each and you usually get 2-4 for those items.

Don't pay more than 5g for those greens, but if you are careful you can often get them for 2-3g and that makes the money.

[Smilin]

The Primal Mooncloth ones? What server are you on? On Shadow Council, the lowest I've ever seen one was for 400g, and the average was about 650g.

If primal mooncloth is as big a pain in the ass to make as normal mooncloth is (my dr00d's 300 tailoring atm), I can see this as being reasonable.

We all know you guys can't handle a fair fight.

Duh! 'S why we're rogues. :P

Currently on Malorne server playing as a rogue "Diebastages".

Don't know the difference in what is required between mooncloth and primal mooncloth except that the required wait time between each piece of mooncloth is the greatest factor which drives it's price.

What is it...? you can clease one piece of felcloth every 2 days or so to make just one piece of moon cloth and it takes quite a few pieces for each bag...

I can see why those bags are selling so high...

I've been bitching at the cost it's gonna cost me to shell out for my epic mount... (600+ gold)....

Shat, inflation has it's place I guess in everything incluiding an online MMPORG fantasy game I guess..:doh:

[Smilin]

Wait till ya'll get to the outlands...all the quests there reward 2-3 gold each and random items (weapons, armor) are regular in game drops from the monsters there that vendor straight out for >5 gold a piece..WOOT! lol

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I do that. I dropped about 45g on Saturday on mats to make the final few things I needed to get tailoring to 300. After d/e everything (mostly felcloth stuff), I made about 150g on enchanting mats within hours. :D

[Uthgar the Brazen]

4-day cooldown on one piece of mooncloth, and it takes several to make one bag. Annoying as hell.

3 more levels 'til I can go to Outlands. Wish I had the time to grind it out in one fel swoop. I'm ready for the fun to start. ;)

[Zehava]

and have you seen how much 20 slot bags are going for?

The Moon Cloth ones were listing for around 250 gold each...A PIECE!

I was like...WTF Chuck? lol

Primal Mooncloth bags take a fuckload of materials to make.

8 Primal Mooncloth
1 thread (I forget which but it's the cheap part)

If you are a Mooncloth Tailor, 2 Primal Mooncloth take 1 bolt of Imbued Netherweave cloth, 1 Primal Life and 1 Primal Water. You can make Primal Mooncloth once every 4 days. Requires Moonwell.

1 bolt of Imbued Netherweave Cloth takes 3 Bolts of Netherweave Cloth and 2 Arcane Dust. It also requires the use of a mana loom that can only be found in Shattrath.

Each Bolt of Netherweave Cloth takes 6 Netherweave cloth.

So for a Mooncloth Tailor to make 1 bag takes:
72 Netherweave Cloth
8 Arcane Dust
4 Primal Life
4 Primal Water
Arcane Thread
16 Days

When I last closed my account Primal Life was 10-17g ea, Primal Water was 20-25g ea, Arcane Dust was 2g ea, and Imbued Netherweave cloth was 35g ea.

I only ever sold 1 Primal Mooncloth Bag, and that was for 350g. Even then, given the time I takes to make one and farm for the materials, it's not really worth it IMO.

At 250g it would be easier to just selling the materials that are used to make a Primal Mooncloth bag, then it would be to actually sell the bag.

Best bang for your buck, IMO is Traveler's or normal Mooncloth bags. Good thing about those is they are not bind on equip.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Jesus...

Maybe I'll drop tailoring for mining or something...

[Smilin]

lol..and I was actually thinking of dropping alchemy (which I haven't made a dime off of) and taking up tailoring seeing what those 20 slot bags sell for.

I basically took up alchemy to make my own healing potions with.

I've made bundles off of herbalishm but sadly not a dime off of alchemy.

(although I have sold a few "mighty rage" potions which apparantly only warriors can use, but nothing beyond that....)

I know puppet stated earlier that he had made some bucks off of alchemy...


What's the secret to making chunks of change off of alchemy, puppet?

fwiw, that is one of the advantages of being a rogue and getting your lockpicking