This just in telling kids what to do..

[beyelzu]

makes them do the opposite. no really. seeing the anti smoking commercials makes kids smoke, isnt that fucking great. :tmgrin:

Hye-Jin Paek, of the University of Georgia Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication, found that anti-smoking ads are most effective when they convince youth that their friends are listening to the ads. Otherwise, the ads appear to stimulate the rebellious and curious nature of youth, making them more interested in smoking,

im glad to know im not the only one who wants to smoke more after watching a truth commercial (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/85129.html)

[Ymir's blood]

It strikes me as not too dissimilar from how protesting movies and books makes said media more well known. In those cases, it works more as free advertising but either way it puts the spotlight on something and produces an effect opposite of what was desired.

It also makes me think of the court ordered celebrity anti-drug ads. If it is public knowledge that the person was forced to make the ad, just how effective is it going to be? Of course, most anti-drug propaganda is counterproductive, effective only towards those who never question authority. Once someone discovers that the wild exaggerations aren't true, any credibility that the propagandists may have had will go out the window.

[Watser?]

Here's a recent example (http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/entertainment.cfm?id=1102382007): DAYS after it was labelled "racist", a Tintin adventure book is flying off the shelves with sales soaring by almost 4,000%.

:dupond::dupont:

[erimir]

im glad to know im not the only one who wants to smoke more after watching a truth commercial[/URL]Well, it depends on the Truth ads. The ones with the shitty attempts at street theater definitely make me want a cigarette.

The ones with the old lady with a hole in her throat doesn't make me want a cigarette so much. I don't know how effective that ad would be at getting someone to quit tho.

Now, the anti-marijuana ads are even worse. The ones with the shitty cartoons? Like the dog who is disappointed with his pot smoking owner? Now those definitely make me wanna use drugs.

[Ensign Steve]

I like the anti marijuana ads that encourage people to make the choice for themselves instead of bowing to what others tell them to do. Amen to that!

[The Lone Ranger]

We have our Advanced Anatomy and Physiology students dissect cadavers. The Introductory A & P students get to go to the cadaver labs to view them, though they don't do any actual dissections.

When we show them the lungs of someone who had been a smoker, most swear never to touch a cigarette for as long as they live.

Cheers,

Michael

[beyelzu]

im glad to know im not the only one who wants to smoke more after watching a truth commercial[/URL]Well, it depends on the Truth ads. The ones with the shitty attempts at street theater definitely make me want a cigarette.

The ones with the old lady with a hole in her throat doesn't make me want a cigarette so much. I don't know how effective that ad would be at getting someone to quit tho.

Now, the anti-marijuana ads are even worse. The ones with the shitty cartoons? Like the dog who is disappointed with his pot smoking owner? Now those definitely make me wanna use drugs.

yeah, i love that one when me and my friends smoke up hypothetically speaking we are totally like we used to go out and do stuff but now we dont cuz of the devil weed.

i wished i had a dvd of just antipot ads to play with a 311 soundtrack and bonghits.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

I like the anti marijuana ads that encourage people to make the choice for themselves instead of bowing to what others tell them to do. Amen to that!

Those exist?

[beyelzu]

there is this one that has a kid being pressured by a druggie and saying no thank you and the tag is like dont be pressured into making a choice.

which is awesome

[erimir]

there is this one that has a kid being pressured by a druggie and saying no thank you and the tag is like dont be pressured into making a choice.

which is awesomeAh... now that commercial would be more interesting if it showed the opposite as well, with the marijuana smoker being told by people that pot is for losers and he shouldn't smoke it, and then he smokes it anyway.

I have seen some ads about marijuana that were just about not smoking and driving... they were like "if you smoke up... don't drive."

I am also reminded, since we're on the subject, of an ad from when I was in high school or middle school. It shows a boy shooting free throws by himself, and says he was kicked off the basketball team for smoking pot, and how he doesn't think pot is cool anymore, or some shit like that.

My response as a kid was "Pot is bad for you, because you'll get punished for it, and you'll get punished for it because pot is bad for you?" I figure plenty of other kids could see through it as well. We already know it's not legal - the commercials should probably be more concentrating on justifying that, rather than threatening us with it.

[Ensign Steve]

I like the anti marijuana ads that encourage people to make the choice for themselves instead of bowing to what others tell them to do. Amen to that!

Those exist?
Indeed. I don't think that's the message they intend to project, but that is essentially what they are saying. They mean not to bow to peer pressure or listen to what your friends tell you, and that you should be "above the influence". But they come right out and say, "Nobody but you can choose what is right for you" etc, etc. I always wonder if they meant for it to be that obviously ironic or if it was an accident.



I am also reminded, since we're on the subject, of an ad from when I was in high school or middle school. It shows a boy shooting free throws by himself, and says he was kicked off the basketball team for smoking pot, and how he doesn't think pot is cool anymore, or some shit like that.

My response as a kid was "Pot is bad for you, because you'll get punished for it, and you'll get punished for it because pot is bad for you?" I figure plenty of other kids could see through it as well. We already know it's not legal - the commercials should probably be more concentrating on justifying that, rather than threatening us with it.
Drugs are illegal because they're bad, and they're bad because they're illegal. That's been the fact for decades. I sometimes think about what I would say to my commander if I tested positive, and it always boils down to, "there's nothing wrong with it. It doesn't hurt my work performance, my home life, my social life. I'm none the worse off for using it.* Unlike the 100s of alcoholics in this squadron." I figure the reply might be something along the lines of, "but you are the worse for it, your career is ruined, etc, etc." and again it comes back to that circular logic. It's bad because it will hurt my career. But why should it hurt my career? Where is the justification for that?

* hypothetically speaking, of course.

[Corona688]

I'm old enough to remember the 'this is your brain on drugs' ones.

Does this actually have anything to do with the discussion? not really I guess.

[Crumb]

Just cause I am too old to know what is going on, doesn't mean I don't have anything to say!
:oldman:

[Ensign Steve]

I remember those too. That doesn't make me old, does it?

[seebs]

I remember those too. That doesn't make me old, does it?

I think the causality goes the other way.

[Ensign Steve]

:lol:

I see what you did there.

[beyelzu]

this is an egg this is an egg on drugs
isnt there something else this country could discuss
like how do you feel about the nra or the price of medical care in the country today

to quote a very wise lady.

btw the above lyrics are from memory so they could be a little off.

[mountain_hare]

I'm a little surprised by the attitudes here, to be honest.

Are you all saying that illegal drugs don't have detrimental health effects? That they don't affect your social/work/school life?

Do you believe that heroin, LSD, ectasy, coke etc. are like alcohol... if used in moderation, they are fine? Is it even possible to use these drugs in moderation, given the fact that they are physically addictive?

Perhaps the only illegal drug which I'm really doubtful about the harmful effects of are pot. But even then, I'm sort of suspicious of the crowd who say "We smoke pot, we feel great, we're not addicts!" etc etc. Of course you feel great now... many alco's feel great after binging, until they wake up in the morning.

But to be honest, I'm rather ignorant of the harmful effects of pot, and its physical addictiveness. It's illegal, and that's the end of the story for us Aussies.

[Ensign Steve]

Do you believe that heroin, LSD, ectasy, coke etc. are like alcohol... if used in moderation, they are fine? Is it even possible to use these drugs in moderation, given the fact that they are physically addictive?

Given that alcohol can be used in moderation while it is physically addictive, I'm going to go with ... yeah, it's probably possible.

[seebs]

I have never before heard anyone claim that LSD is physically addictive.

The thing is, there's lots of drugs I think are probably harmful, and some that seem to be risky but not always harmful, and some that seem comparatively harmles... And "illegal" correlates only very vaguely with "dangerous" or "addictive".

I've seen nothing that indicates that pot is any more addictive than decaf tea. I've seen nothing to indicate that it is even possible to become addicted to LSD. Certainly, tobacco is far more addictive, and more dangerous, than pot, and probably more addictive than about half the other illegal drugs.

I guess the problem I'm having with your post, MH, is that you seem to be acting as though illegality is more significant than the actual medical data you're using it as a proxy for. I avoid tobacco and cocaine because they are dangerous and addictive; I don't see why it matters that one's legal and one's not.

[erimir]

I can and have used illegal substances with moderation.

That might be related to a few factors. First of all, I don't know dealers. Second of all, I'm too cheap to buy my own anyway. Thirdly, I don't enjoy them enough to want to do them all that often anyway. But also, I'm a little paranoid about not wanting to become addicted, so there's that.

I don't particularly have a problem with what I've done and find it stupid that people think I should be punished for it.

[Watser?]

LSD is not addictive and I've never heard anyone claim XTC is. They are both dangerous in their own way, but not addictive. Marihuana is not addictive either and pretty harmless in comparison to most drugs (including alcohol).

Alcohol on the other hand IS addictive.

[mountain_hare]

seebs:

I guess the problem I'm having with your post, MH, is that you seem to be acting as though illegality is more significant than the actual medical data you're using it as a proxy for.


???

I stay away from drugs because I assume that they will mess with my health, AND because I don't want the cops bashing down my door and shooting my dog.

[beyelzu]

assume?

why exactly? what drugs do you consider to be particularly harmful?

which legal drugs do you take?

are you equally concerned about the health effects of legal drugs?

[Ensign Steve]

Only alli. :giggle:

:shit:

[mountain_hare]

bey:

assume?

why exactly?


Yeah, 'assume'. I assume because I've been raised and educated to the fact that illegal drugs are detrimental to one's health, and are highly addictive, both physically and psychologically.


what drugs do you consider to be particularly harmful?


Cocaine, heroin, meth, and LSD.

Ecstasy and marijuana are of questionable safety.


which legal drugs do you take?


I usually avoid legal drugs, although I'm currently taking antibiotics out of necessity at the moment.


are you equally concerned about the health effects of legal drugs?


No. They have been passed by the TGA (Therapeutic Goods Association), which specifically tests for drug safety. The only exception to this is tobacco, a legal drug which I feel is quite dangerous, although its lethal effects take substantially longer to become apparent than illegal drugs such as heroin.

[erimir]

Not worried about alcohol then?

Just cuz it's a beverage doesn't mean it's not a drug, in a sense.

[seebs]

???

I stay away from drugs because I assume that they will mess with my health, AND because I don't want the cops bashing down my door and shooting my dog.

On what basis do you form this assumption that they will "mess with" your health?

Do you avoid legal things that are likely bad for you (french fries, tobacco, alcohol), or only illegal ones?

[erimir]

Everything the government says is true, seebs.

Haven't you been paying attention the last few years?

[Stephen Maturin]

I like the anti marijuana ads that encourage people to make the choice for themselves instead of bowing to what others tell them to do. Amen to that!

My Anti-Drug (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33360)

[Ensign Steve]

:lol:

You know I used booze to wean myself off of darvocet. I didn't want to combine them, so I had to choose between them. My surgery was on 1 May, and for the first few days, darvocent won out every time. But by cinco de mayo, it was all about margaritas and coronas. Ole!

[But]

Of course you feel great now... many alco's feel great after binging, until they wake up in the morning.


I always feel great when I wake up in the morning after smoking!

:D