Way to make the problem worse, asshats!

[Adora]

An excellent article on juvie sex-offenders. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22juvenile-t.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5090&en=0daaac50edd79404&ex=1342756800&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss)

I knew that shit was fucked-up (I'm opposed to a public registery even for adult offenders) but that is just beyond fucked-up. Because as we all know, the way to fix a problem compounded by ostracisation of offenders is to ostracise them from our society more, from a younger age. So when the fuck are we going to have an armed-robbery registery, or a fucking dangerous-driving one?

I especially enjoyed the part about the stupidity of professionals who were meant to be fixing the problem in the 80s. That was a horrible decade. The best thing to come out of that decade was me, fuckdamnit.

[Freddy]

I work in the juvenile justice system and I agree rehabilitated juvenile offenders should be given a second chance as with any other juvenile delinquent behavior, where records are sealed to the public. If the juvenile was to commit/repeat a sexual offense after treatment then regardless of age I would favor putting him or her on the registry. Some offenses are considered youthful offenses, which are treated as adult offenses, where a convicted youth would do juvenile time and then be moved to adult time when reaching age 18. I checked the local registry once and there were 3 adult Level 3 sex offenders within a 1,000 foot radius of my home. These 3 were violent sex predators who preyed on children. Parents have every right to know they are there and courts around the country have upheld sex registry laws. What I do not agree with is making them move out of an area as research has shown this is ineffective in protecting the public.

[Adora]

Parents have every right to know they are there and courts around the country have upheld sex registry laws.
So let's start up a parent registry, since kids are more likely to get raped by their immediate family than any other members of society. Children should have a right to know if their daddy's already schtupping their sister and eventually will move onto them when she gets too old.

But seriously, do you have to register as a parent before you can access this information? No, you don't. Any fuckwit with an internet connection can access it, which is the gaping flaw in their plan full of more holes than a Harry Potter book.

[Angakuk]

It is not very often that I find myself in agreement with Adora, but in this case she is dead right. Onya! Adora

[D. Scarlatti]

I'd rather have child molesters than children living next door.

[LadyShea]

I just don't get why it's only sex offenders. A murderer out on parole doesn't have to register, but my neighbor, who from what I have gleaned once had a slightly underage girlfriend when he was young himself, has to be all over the Internet.

If they are so likely to offend again, why are they let out? Why aren't they required lifelong treatment and/or parole? Why not differentiate between "consensual sex between a 17 and a 20 year old" and "home invasion rape"?

Letting the hysterical masses at 'em isn't the answer, IMO.

[erimir]

That was a horrible decade. The best thing to come out of that decade was me, fuckdamnit.Oh no she di'n't!

Bitch, I was born in the 80s.

Anyway, that does sound fucked up.

Moral panic shit always annoys me.

[cappuccino]

And the registery isn't even really an accurate represenative of actual rapists, pederasts, and etc. Recently there was some new brouhaha about a priest who was caught jogging naked at 4:30 in the morning. While he displayed some bad judgement, I can't really fault him for a bit of thrill, he's facing a real chance of being registered as a sex offender if convicted.

I don't remember which state that was but if people can get registered as a sex offender just for running around naked, that's just absurd. I've even heard antedoctal reports of women being forced to register as sex offenders for flashing their boobs in some states.

So I wonder how many people on the registery are truely predators or are victims of a legal system with a total lack of basic common sense.

Poor priest, I'm sure he's really regretting his au natural jaunt. If people look up and see him on the registery, they won't be thinking "oh he was running around naked", they'd be thinking "Oh that creep pervert was screwing little boys right on the altar."

[Ensign Steve]

Couldn't he use the "god made me this way" defense? :?

[Clutch Munny]

Parents have every right to know they are there and courts around the country have upheld sex registry laws.
So let's start up a parent registry, since kids are more likely to get raped by their immediate family than any other members of society.

Most car accident victims are not killed by drunk drivers; yet drunk drivers are likelier than non-drunk drivers to cause fatal accidents. I know you suggested you weren't serious with this remark, but even as a joke the backwards reasoning is worth noting. Even though most child abuse is perpetrated by parents, a randomly chosen parent isn't uncommonly likely to assault children, whereas a randomly chosen child molestation convict is uncommonly likely to do so -- recidivism being what it is.

I'm struck by the problem raised by cappucino and Lady Shea: the crimes lumped together under the heading of sexual offense don't distinguish between violent/exploitative ones with high recidivism rates and something like taking a leak in public while drunk.

[But]

I don't remember which state that was but if people can get registered as a sex offender just for running around naked, that's just absurd. I've even heard antedoctal reports of women being forced to register as sex offenders for flashing their boobs in some states.


How long until they put you on a sex offender list for engaging in adultery?

[erimir]

I'm guessing that one would come at least a few years after they put homosexuality on the registry. Also after they put cross-dressing on the list, but not by as long.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

ya know erimir- gays are just as good as the jews at fashioning their woe into weapons...poor you :(

i agree with adora.

your truth is very funny, d. scarlatti.

[erimir]

I didn't say that I thought that was all that likely. I don't think it is. The trend is for more liberality with regards to that, and I don't think the Republicans will succeed in rolling back the sexual revolution and gay rights. But theoretically speaking, I highly doubt adultery would be on there before homosexuality. It's pretty easy to see why, unless you're completely ignorant.

Some people are good at fashioning their incoherent babbling into self-righteous bullshit. What's your point anyway?

[Freddy]

Parents have every right to know they are there and courts around the country have upheld sex registry laws.
So let's start up a parent registry, since kids are more likely to get raped by their immediate family than any other members of society. Children should have a right to know if their daddy's already schtupping their sister and eventually will move onto them when she gets too old.

But seriously, do you have to register as a parent before you can access this information? No, you don't. Any fuckwit with an internet connection can access it, which is the gaping flaw in their plan full of more holes than a Harry Potter book.
Did you notice I said Level 3 offenders, who commit the most serious sexual predator crimes and are also the most likely to re offend? Anyone can access a public registry. If you do not want your name on it then do not commit rape or child molestation. It is that simple.

"I checked the local registry once and there were 3 adult Level 3 sex offenders within a 1,000 foot radius of my home. These 3 were violent sex predators who preyed on children."

[Dingfod]

The Oklahoma sex offender site doesn't differentiate according to what crime the sex offender committed, they show them all. I checked my communities. There were approximately 60 between the two towns I live between, only two were repeat offenders and one of them was indecent exposure (news report showed one of the guy's offenses was being caught peeing on the side of the road by a police officer). That's the sort of shit that'll get you on the sex offender registry in Oklahoma. That and being a teenager caught having sex with your teenage partner. Stuff like that is what gives me pause to labeling everyone with the same tag: sex offender.

[Freddy]

Here is the link to the MA Level 3 sex offender registry. I typed in my zip, 01607, and one female and three males came up. Convictions included two with rape, two with indecent assault and battery of a person age 14 and older, and one with a IA&B on a child under 14. All were 21 or older when they offended.
Sex Offender Registry Board (http://sorb.chs.state.ma.us/)

[Adora]

Even though most child abuse is perpetrated by parents, a randomly chosen parent isn't uncommonly likely to assault children
Only because we don't have the correct numbers on such crimes.

Really, I'm surprised at the surprise on some people's faces I know when I point out X,Y, and Z were abused by family members/parents. And the girls never reported it, and never would, like most sex-abuse victims. "Strange creepy men lurking around playgrounds" only get caught because they're too stupid to work inside the perfectly exploitable system society already creates for them within the confines of the basic heterosexual family caste.

But nice avoidance of the "How come any fuckwit can access this database if it's 'for parents'?" part of my comment.

. If you do not want your name on it then do not commit rape or child molestation. It is that simple.
Or have sex with your girlfriend/boyfriend. Or play doctors with your brothers and sisters if you're 10. Or pee on the side of the road.

Did you even read the article I linked to, or are you just naturally retarded?

[Clutch Munny]

Even though most child abuse is perpetrated by parents, a randomly chosen parent isn't uncommonly likely to assault children
Only because we don't have the correct numbers on such crimes.

"Uncommonly". For obvious reasons it's virtually certain that the frequency of parental abuse is higher than the frequency of confirmed instances of parental abuse. But unless your direct non-statistical intuition of the True Rate of parental assault pegs it at a level insignificantly different from the recidivism rate of convicted child molesters, that's one reason to treat the two groups differently. (The fact of having been convicted versus not having been convicted seems a relevant difference too.)

In any case, my point just concerned the statistical fallacy. That an X is likelier (or just as likely) to have been caused by a Y than by a Z doesn't meant that a Y is likelier than (/just as likely as) a Z to cause an X.


But nice avoidance of the "How come any fuckwit can access this database if it's 'for parents'?" part of my comment.
You made two main points in that post. I didn't comment on the one that wasn't fallacious. I plan to continue not responding to many, many of the sentences you write on this board; perhaps you should start preparing yourself now for the psychic shock of this outlandish behaviour on my part.

[Freddy]

Even though most child abuse is perpetrated by parents, a randomly chosen parent isn't uncommonly likely to assault children
Only because we don't have the correct numbers on such crimes.

Really, I'm surprised at the surprise on some people's faces I know when I point out X,Y, and Z were abused by family members/parents. And the girls never reported it, and never would, like most sex-abuse victims. "Strange creepy men lurking around playgrounds" only get caught because they're too stupid to work inside the perfectly exploitable system society already creates for them within the confines of the basic heterosexual family caste.

But nice avoidance of the "How come any fuckwit can access this database if it's 'for parents'?" part of my comment.

. If you do not want your name on it then do not commit rape or child molestation. It is that simple.
Or have sex with your girlfriend/boyfriend. Or play doctors with your brothers and sisters if you're 10. Or pee on the side of the road.

Did you even read the article I linked to, or are you just naturally retarded?

The database is for all adults to view. Most of the juvenile sex offenders I deal with are charged with molesting a family member. A few are statutory rapes where the girl is under age 16 and cannot by law give consent. The person who urinates in public is classified as a level 1 offender and would not be made public.

I do not appreciate being referred to as retarded. Does someone as intelligent as you obviously are have to resort to name calling to get a point across?

[LadyShea]

As Dingfod pointed out, not all states show levels of offense on the registry. Some just say sex offender and you don't know if they grabbed someone's ass or raped someone at gunpoint. Others, like mine, show the charge they were convicted of, and you may or may not be able to glean the actual crime from that charge.

For example, my aforementioned neighbor is listed as having committed the crimes of "indecent sexual assault of a minor" and "deviate sexual intercourse". Indecent Sexual Assault is not a charge used in our state that I can find, but I found out it is what statutory rape is called in another state.

[viscousmemories]

I just checked the registry for my zip code. They do list the crime and a risk factor (eg. low, moderate, etc.) but the risk factor was "unknown" for some and like LadyShea says, it's not always easy to determine the exact crime from the technical term. Also, there was one individual who was on there by order of the parole board, so no indication of the specific reason at all.

[D. Scarlatti]

Big Daddy (http://offender.doc.state.wi.us/public/search/sor?action=offenderdetail&offender=33979&x=30&acknowledged=true&zip_code=53233&last_name=&page=1&y=20&hist=%2Fsearch%2Fsearchbylocation.jsp%2Baction%3Dsearchbylocation)'s on the loose.

[Adora]

that's one reason to treat the two groups differently
Still avoiding the poooiiiinnnttttt. *whistles and twiddles her thumbs until you decide to catch up with the rest of the class*

this outlandish behaviour on my part.
Daw, don't worry baby. Nothing your sadly small and passive-aggressive mind could think up could shock me, so at least try your hardest, okay?

The database is for all adults to view.
Then how come it's available for teenagers to get into as well? Oh, that's right, because it's on the interwebs (see? I can use bold too, without having to re-quote an entire post).

Does someone as intelligent as you obviously are have to resort to name calling to get a point across?
Who said I'm doing it to get the point across. You're new here, aren't you? :eyebrow2: