David Horowitz does Powerpoint

[ChuckF]

To say that this is extremely bizarre would be vastly inadequate.

What Every American Needs To Know About Jihad - Terrorism Awareness Project (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/know-about-jihad/)

Apparently (http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/david_horowitz_writes_me_letter) the FBI-California Highway Patrol Joint Counter-terrorism Task Force wants to use this as a training video of some kind.

ETA: Did you know that October 22-26 is Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week? (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism/49/a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/)

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

ETA: Did you know that October 22-26 is Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week? (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism/49/a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/)


no, i didn't. thanks for the information. yes...i think it is silly, but i will be sure to pass on this silliness (in an effort so show how above it i am) and i'm sure at least one person will think it's cool. then they tell two friends...

spread the hate! :)

(why do you visit such a lame site? why do you advertise for them?)

[ChuckF]

Followed the link from Daily Kos (http://www.dailykos.com/).

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

and?

[ChuckF]

What else do you want? I went to the site because it was a link on Daily Kos and I like to know what the insane right is up to. I'm not "advertising" for the site so much as "mocking" it..

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

you just did...

(or is everybody on the free forum from the left?)

[ChuckF]

I'm sorry. Sometimes I forget that you're a fucking moron. :doh:

[LadyShea]

So anything linked to for discussion or derision is actually shilling for the linked site in your eyes, Zeke?

[Dingfod]

The left of what?

[Adam]

ETA: Did you know that October 22-26 is Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week? (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism/49/a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/)

We need Islamo-Fascist Awareness Week like we need White History Month.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

So anything linked to for discussion or derision is actually shilling for the linked site in your eyes, Zeke?

yep.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

The left of what?

chuck brought up the right. why don't you ask him where the centre line gets drawn. he's been here longer than me....

[viscousmemories]

I had to do some Googling before I realized that David Horowitz isn't David Berkowitz. Serious.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

lol :D

[Dingfod]

The left of what?

chuck brought up the right. why don't you ask him where the centre line gets drawn. he's been here longer than me....No.

[Watser?]

I think the totally out of context facts and pictures go very well with the bombast of the Carmina Burana.

Very Riefenstahl :golfclap:

[ChuckF]

Yes, I found the choice of O Fortuna to be very original and appropriate. When was the last time you heard that used for dramatic effect? Oh? The Super Bowl? Never mind.

[Adam]

...I like to know what the insane right is up to.

...is everybody on the free forum from the left?

No, but they are, by and large, sane.

[LadyShea]

I had to do some Googling before I realized that David Horowitz isn't David Berkowitz. Serious.

I was trying to figure out why a beloved consumer advocate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz_(consumer_advocate)) would be involved in this at all.

That was the only David Horowitz I was familiar with.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

No, but they are, by and large, sane.

crazy people never think they are crazy.

i've never denied being a loon.

[livius drusus]

I like the gunshot sound effect introducing the pictures.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

I had to do some Googling before I realized that David Horowitz isn't David Berkowitz. Serious.

I was trying to figure out why a beloved consumer advocate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz_(consumer_advocate)) would be involved in this at all.

That was the only David Horowitz I was familiar with.


haha!! that's what i thought too :)

[Dingfod]

I had to do some Googling before I realized that David Horowitz isn't David Berkowitz. Serious.

I was trying to figure out why a beloved consumer advocate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz_(consumer_advocate)) would be involved in this at all.

That was the only David Horowitz I was familiar with.I thought they were one and the same too.

[ChuckF]

I've actually never heard of David Horowitz the consumer advocate :blush3:

[Dingfod]

He had a TV show back in the 80s.

[Adam]

He had a TV show back in the 80s.

How prescient of him to be warning us about the dangers of Islamo-Fascism back when we thought it was all about the Islamo-Freedom-Fighters busting Soviet ass all across Central Asia.

[Watser?]

Never heard of the consumer advocate either. This David Horowitz is another former marxist who managed to go way over to the other side of the political spectrum and still be wrong. A lot of neocons are like that.

[ChuckF]

So how do you guys want to celebrate Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week? We should have a party or something. I'll make fruit salad!

[lisarea]

I wasn't paying very close attention to that commercial. Did it mention what stores carry this Jihad brand energy drink?

[Adam]

I plan to dress up like an Islamo-Fascist, jump out at people from behind corners here at work, and wave an AK-47 in their faces. Then, when they're sufficiently aware, I'll give them little pamphlets about what would have happened in the event of a real Islamo-Fascism-Event.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

i'm gonna tell everybody about it!!

[Dingfod]

We used to joke about what our building security people would do if a band of Islamofascisterrists walked past the security desk. They would probably ask "Can I see your badges?"

"We don't need no steenking badges."

[D. Scarlatti]

Michael, if you don't know who David Horowitz is, why were you ranting and raving earlier?

And aren't you embarrassed now?

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

uh, read.

[ChuckF]

Michael, if you don't know who David Horowitz is, why were you ranting and raving earlier?

And aren't you embarrassed now?
I feel better now! Now I see it happens to other people too. (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=407255&postcount=7)

[livius drusus]

I plan to dress up like an Islamo-Fascist, jump out at people from behind corners here at work, and wave an AK-47 in their faces. Then, when they're sufficiently aware, I'll give them little pamphlets about what would have happened in the event of a real Islamo-Fascism-Event.
Will the pamphlet have sound effects? I don't see how you'll get your point across without gunshots.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

lol...you're not even addressing my point. chuck, you are seriously the most angry retard here. what did david horowitz have to do with my reply? nothing, but i still stuck to the op.

you're the one that should be embarrassed for being stupid, ds. geez...

[ChuckF]

chuck, you are seriously the most angry retard here.
:winner:

[Adam]

I don't know how to make pamphlets with sound effects. Unless one of you geniuses wants to help me, I'll just have to look over peoples' shoulders while they read and fire off the aforementioned AK every time they turn a page. To help them stay aware, of course.

[D. Scarlatti]

what did david horowitz have to do with my reply?

Bingo.

[livius drusus]

I don't know how to make pamphlets with sound effects. Unless one of you geniuses wants to help me, I'll just have to look over peoples' shoulders while they read and fire off the aforementioned AK every time they turn a page. To help them stay aware, of course.
Well, if you really cared about America, you'd hand out tablet computers with a well-appointed Powerpoint presentation instead of ancien regime pamphlets.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

what did david horowitz have to do with my reply?

Bingo.

not bingo. i replied to what was in the op. did you get hit in the head recently?

chuck put it there, i replied...pretty simple, dude.

[ChuckF]

I don't know how to make pamphlets with sound effects. Unless one of you geniuses wants to help me, I'll just have to look over peoples' shoulders while they read and fire off the aforementioned AK every time they turn a page. To help them stay aware, of course.
I have an idea. Have the pamphlets printed with a bubble wrap insert! Talk to the folks at Kinko's about it. You're going to have to shell out some dough on the pamphlets anyway because you'll need a 4-color press to get the Islamo-Fascism Alert Scale Index right. There's a big difference between taupe and beige. And the difference could kill you.

[D. Scarlatti]

did you get hit in the head recently?

No, I'm still a "leftist."

Still reading thread titles for a clue to what they're about, also.

Clues: Get one today.

[Nullifidian]

ETA: Did you know that October 22-26 is Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week? (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism/49/a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/)

I wonder if it will be like the Rally Against Islamofascism, where Islamofascism is opposed by outright fascism. Take, for example, this photo (http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/photo_gal/raid1.htm) from the Kansas City, MO Rally Against Islamofascism, which I attended and protested against. Note the picture which says, over the Muslim woman with child, "EVIL" and over the M-16-flaunting soldier with white blonde wife and child, "GOOD". The Muslim woman is unpaired with any husband, but the white wife is there to Stand By Her Man and keep the home while her husband is away fighting the Islamic Menace which is represented by brown women and children, apparently.

And the man who's holding it has not one but two flags in his hand.

Strident nationalism, fetishization of the military, the domestic scene (Küche), the difference between acceptable religion, like Christianity, and unacceptable ones (Kirche), and the presence of the doe-eyed, blond-haired baby in a traditional nuclear family (Kinder). It's like a portmanteau of fascist sentimentality--you can spend all day unpacking it.

[livius drusus]

There's a big difference between taupe and beige. And the difference could kill you.
:lol: Quote generator time.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

did you get hit in the head recently?

No, I'm still a "leftist."

Still reading thread titles for a key to what they're about, also.

right.

i read the posts too. give it a go- it might help you see what i replied to.

[Dingfod]

Thank the gods these douches only amount to around -- what was Bush's latest approval rating percentage?

[ChuckF]

Thank you, Nullfidian, for that very substantive post. I regret that this is not a more substantive thread. Looking through the photo album, I noticed that there's a sign protesting the "Islamic indoctrination of our kids in public schools." Have I not been paying attention again?

[livius drusus]

Strident nationalism, fetishization of the military, the domestic scene (Küche), the difference between acceptable religion, like Christianity, and unacceptable ones (Kirche), and the presence of the doe-eyed, blond-haired baby in a traditional nuclear family (Kinder). It's like a portmanteau of fascist sentimentality--you can spend all day unpacking it.
Another one for the quote generator, this time for beauty of language. :bow:

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

Thank the gods these douches only amount to around -- what was Bush's latest approval rating percentage?

and who is president? lol...oh you're all sooooo powerful. lol :D

[Dingfod]

I regret that this is not a more substantive thread.Thank ITSoZeke for that.

[livius drusus]

Looking through the photo album, I noticed that there's a sign protesting the "Islamic indoctrination of our kids in public schools." Have I not been paying attention again?
Perhaps they're referring to Islamic language charter schools? I read something about that recently but I can't remember the details.

* livius drusus trots off to support her babbling.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

I regret that this is not a more substantive thread.Thank ITSoZeke for that.

i think i'm actually making it deeper than chuck's idea for a party to help promote the views of those he doesn't like.

but hey...

[Watser?]

Thank you, Nullfidian, for that very substantive post. I regret that this is not a more substantive thread. Looking through the photo album, I noticed that there's a sign protesting the "Islamic indoctrination of our kids in public schools." Have I not been paying attention again?

Those Islamofascists are working together with the gay darwinist agenda to indoctrinate our kids and wage their War on Christmas.

[Nullifidian]

You're going to have to shell out some dough on the pamphlets anyway because you'll need a 4-color press to get the Islamo-Fascism Alert Scale Index right. There's a big difference between taupe and beige. And the difference could kill you.

And the winner for best one-liner in an FF comment goes to...ChuckF! :goldcup:

[D. Scarlatti]

Perhaps they're referring to Islamic language charter schools?

Could be but my guess is a CA school district's "religious diversity" class, which featured kids dressing up in traditional Muslim kit. It was a big hit with the 'Stop The ACLU' crowd, who mention it at every Establishment Clause challenge opportunity.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

So how do you guys want to celebrate Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week? We should have a party or something. I'll make fruit salad!

Cocktail weenies! :excited:

[livius drusus]

Oo! Oo! Pigs in blankets! :hyper:

[lisarea]

Perhaps they're referring to Islamic language charter schools?

Could be but my guess is a CA school district's "religious diversity" class, which featured kids dressing up in traditional Muslim kit. It was a big hit with the 'Stop The ACLU' crowd, who mention it at every Establishment Clause challenge opportunity.

There's also this new proposed charter school in NYC. (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/intifada_in_new_york.html)

Heh. It looks like that guy is sitting on a toilet.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Perhaps they're referring to Islamic language charter schools?

Could be but my guess is a CA school district's "religious diversity" class, which featured kids dressing up in traditional Muslim kit. It was a big hit with the 'Stop The ACLU' crowd, who mention it at every Establishment Clause challenge opportunity.

There's also this new proposed charter school in NYC. (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/intifada_in_new_york.html)

Heh. It looks like that guy is sitting on a toilet.

Awww, I like Khalil Gibran. His poetry always had the best dirty pictures with it.

[Clutch Munny]

I don't know how to make pamphlets with sound effects. Unless one of you geniuses wants to help me, I'll just have to look over peoples' shoulders while they read and fire off the aforementioned AK every time they turn a page. To help them stay aware, of course.

You could gin one up by cannibalizing a sound-effects hallmark card. It will play "Happy Birthday", mind you. But that wouldn't be any worse than the music in the Horowitz Islamoneyshot video.

[Clutch Munny]

Pigs in blankets! :hyper:

For Islamofascist awareness week. I love it!

[livius drusus]

Exactly! It works on so many levels. :five:

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

Pigs in blankets! :hyper:

For Islamofascist awareness week. I love it!


OMG! cause they don't eat pig...what a great idea!!!

:)

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

i'm bringing my muslim pinata. it's made in the shape of a muslim woman. you hang it from a pole and throw rocks at it until red licorice spills out.

the kids LOVE it!

[D. Scarlatti]

I'll take one for the team and be embarrassed on Michael's behalf.

Seriously, Michael, your cluelessness is verging on the grotesque.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

thanks! :)

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

i know...i'm horrible and wrong...a terrible person...well...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/michael1111/blimpfly.jpg

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

(oh...one thing i am not being in this thread is clueless. a humourless prick...maybe, but not clueless)

[livius drusus]

There's also this new proposed charter school in NYC. (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/intifada_in_new_york.html)
:lol: @ Intifada in New York.

[Nullifidian]

Thank you, Nullfidian, for that very substantive post. I regret that this is not a more substantive thread. Looking through the photo album, I noticed that there's a sign protesting the "Islamic indoctrination of our kids in public schools." Have I not been paying attention again?

Thank you. :)

If you haven't, I haven't been either, and it hasn't been so long since I was out of high school, and I haven't yet been out of university for more than a year. I was well-placed to get Islamic indoctrination if there was any going around because I speak Arabic, which I learned at university.

I did find an article by the subpar 'historian' and 'peacemaker'* Daniel Pipes (http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2236) and yet all I can see in it is stuff which was standard for any religious organization at my high school. Some of them were even less up front about it. I can imagine Daniel Pipes would die of apoplexy if he read "Get students into a supposedly harmless and fun organization, and then take them to an out-of-the way retreat where they're psychologically vulnerable and preach Islam at them" but that was the tactic used by a group at my high school named Campus Life, with the exception that they were preaching evangelical Christianity rather than Islam.

And I will go to my grave with a deep loathing and curses in my heart for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes (I was an offensive linesman). Proselytization, macho culture, and stupidity are never a good combination.

*Pipes was appointed to the U.S. Institute of Peace over the objections of Congress by means of a two-year recess appointment, which is on the same moral plane as appointing "Bull" Connor to serve on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

Another one for the quote generator, this time for beauty of language. :bow:

And thanks to you, as well. :)

[Clutch Munny]

Our ancestors. (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/intifada_in_new_york.html)..came to America to seek the better way of American life and culture did not want their children steeped in the culture and languages of the lands from which they emigrated.

Christ that's beautiful.

Puritans came to America to seek a better way of American life than the American life they'd previously enjoyed. And they didn't want their children steeped in the language of the culture from which they'd come, neither. Hell, no -- they all learned Algonquin!

Notice me not taking the easy, easy shot at the blog's title of "American Thinker".

Oh, damn. I did.

[ChuckF]

I was well-placed to get Islamic indoctrination if there was any going around because I speak Arabic, which I learned at university.

You only think you speak Arabic. You've been hoodwinked by the Islamo-fascists. You may think you're ordering a kebab, but you're quoting the Koran and chanting "Death to America" dirka dirka dirka. How like a liberal.

[Nullifidian]

You only think you speak Arabic. You've been hoodwinked by the Islamo-fascists. You may think you're ordering a kebab, but you're quoting the Koran and chanting "Death to America" dirka dirka dirka. How like a liberal.

Ah, now some things are beginning to become clear. I had always wondered why all my entrees came back as suicide bomb vests with a side of Islamist pamphlets.

:teaparty:

[yguy]

ETA: Did you know that October 22-26 is Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week? (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism/49/a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/)

I wonder if it will be like the Rally Against Islamofascism, where Islamofascism is opposed by outright fascism. Take, for example, this photo (http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/photo_gal/raid1.htm) from the Kansas City, MO Rally Against Islamofascism, which I attended and protested against. Note the picture which says, over the Muslim woman with child, "EVIL" and over the M-16-flaunting soldier with white blonde wife and child, "GOOD".In the interest of clarity - just on the off chance that anyone around here is interested in that commodity - here, presumably, is the same item under better lighting conditions:

http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/photo_gal/raid_pics/jefferson_city_mo.jpg

Note the figure at the bottom holding what appears to be an assault rifle.

Granted, this is perhaps an unfair caricature of our enemies. Closer to the mark, I suppose, would be some guys in black cutting off a guy's head with a knife, or feeding a child to its parents at gunpoint.

[yguy]

I regret that this is not a more substantive thread.When your audience cannot - despite its fervent desire to do so - find fault with the intellectual content in a link, you cannot reasonably expect more in response than such juvenile inanities as comprise the bulk of this thread.

[But]

When someone talks about "Islamofascism", I don't expect there to be any intellectual content.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

When someone talks about Islamofascism, I don't expect there to be any intellectual content.

the thanks i left you was totally genuine. i agree.

[yguy]

Strident nationalism, fetishization of the military, the domestic scene (Küche), the difference between acceptable religion, like Christianity, and unacceptable ones (Kirche), and the presence of the doe-eyed, blond-haired baby in a traditional nuclear family (Kinder). It's like a portmanteau of fascist sentimentality--you can spend all day unpacking it.
Another one for the quote generator, this time for beauty of language. :bow:Definitely a must have for all you connoisseurs of moldy old counterculture cliches.

:cool:

[Clutch Munny]

the intellectual content in a link

How would you summarize the "intellectual content" of Horowitz's slideshow? It seemed a virtually content-free series of cherry-picked shock photos, an appearance deepened by its relentless use of lame visual effects and bathetic apocalyptic music to gloss said paucity of content.

But I'm open to reading your elucidation of its principled character and communicative nuances.

[But]

I think I'd need about 15 minutes to make a powerpoint collage about "US fascism and world domination" with lots of pictures of mutilated babies and cheesy music.

[LadyShea]

I think I'd need about 15 minutes to make a powerpoint collage about "US fascism and world domination" with lots of pictures of mutilated babies and cheesy music.

And our "good" soldiers humiliating prisoners, don't forget.

[Adam]

Note the figure at the bottom holding what appears to be an assault rifle.

Granted, this is perhaps an unfair caricature of our enemies.

What, that they have families and own guns? That describes like half the people in Indiana.

Closer to the mark, I suppose, would be some guys in black cutting off a guy's head with a knife, or feeding a child to its parents at gunpoint.

Every report I've ever seen on that second bit traces back to one source, and I can't find any reputable paper carrying the story. Of course, one might point out that it's the same old blood libel nonsense that different groups have been relying on to demonize each other for centuries.

[ChuckF]

Granted, this is perhaps an unfair caricature of our enemies. Closer to the mark, I suppose, would be some guys in black cutting off a guy's head with a knife, or feeding a child to its parents at gunpoint.
Or putting the turkey in the crib and the baby in the oven!

[But]

A plastic turkey, of course.

[yguy]

the intellectual content in a link

How would you summarize the "intellectual content" of Horowitz's slideshow?I wouldn't. Anyone who needs a summary is either way too stupid to talk to or trying to draw me into an interminable malestrom of mindless nitpickery. In this case, I needn't give a picosecond's thought to which is the correct alternative. :)But I'm open to reading your elucidation of its principled character and communicative nuances.Nuance this, homo.

:cool:

[D. Scarlatti]

Speaking of clarity, Michael, are you still wondering what a troll is?

And speaking of homos, how's this for some distinctly Freudian wishful thinking:

an interminable malestrom

[yguy]

Note the figure at the bottom holding what appears to be an assault rifle.

Granted, this is perhaps an unfair caricature of our enemies.

What, that they have families and own guns?No. ;)Closer to the mark, I suppose, would be some guys in black cutting off a guy's head with a knife, or feeding a child to its parents at gunpoint.Of course, one might point out that it's the same old blood libel nonsense that different groups have been relying on to demonize each other for centuries.One might, if one knew that to be the case. Whether that particular accusation is veridical or not, the barbarism of Islamic terrorists ceased to be a debatable issue decades ago. They need to be either beaten into submission as the Axis powers were in WWII or exterminated like cockroaches.

[Angakuk]

yguy's posts are, as always, incredibly insightful and spot on. I am repeatedly astonished at the quality of his perceptions and the depth of his compassion. Oh how we have missed his wisdom and guidance of late.

[Nullifidian]

One might, if one knew that to be the case. Whether that particular accusation is veridical or not, the barbarism of Islamic terrorists ceased to be a debatable issue decades ago. They need to be either beaten into submission as the Axis powers were in WWII or exterminated like cockroaches.

Cockroaches? Now there's a familiar theme coming home to roost.

"Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice."

Attrib. Col. Chivington, perpetrator of the Sand Creek Massacre.

It's worth noting that the barbarism of his victims was also 'common knowledge'.

[erimir]

We need Islamo-Fascist Awareness Week like we need White History Month.White History Month wouldn't be that bad, if it was a history of Whiteness, rather than a history of white people in the sense of European and European-American history. Whiteness isn't critically examined as often as it ought to be.
Looking through the photo album, I noticed that there's a sign protesting the "Islamic indoctrination of our kids in public schools." Have I not been paying attention again?Didn't you remember the time that UNC had incoming freshmen read a book about the Qur'an, and all those people protested? Those poor impressionable college students were being asked to understand Islam, and that's little better than brainwashing.
Those Islamofascists are working together with the gay darwinist agenda to indoctrinate our kids and wage their War on Christmas.Ah yeah, you know how much we and the Islamofascists like each other. I hear after we beat Christmas, we're gonna celebrate by beheading a sinful infidel. I can't wait to find out who!

[Stormlight]

Granted, this is perhaps an unfair caricature of our enemies. Closer to the mark, I suppose, would be some guys in black cutting off a guy's head with a knife, or feeding a child to its parents at gunpoint.

Oh good, the screeching fear-addict is back. :yawn:

[Watser?]

Whether that particular accusation is veridical or not, the barbarism of Islamic terrorists ceased to be a debatable issue decades ago. They need to be either beaten into submission as the Axis powers were in WWII or exterminated like cockroaches.

Veridical? :giggle:
And of course, as the Israelis pointed out last summer, just living in southern Lebanon is proof enough that you are a terrorist and can be cluster bombed to oblivion. I'm sure the same goes for all of Iraq, Occupied Palestine, Iran and, well let's face it all of the Arab and otherwise Islamic world.

[Clutch Munny]

speaking of homos, how's this for some distinctly Freudian wishful thinking:

an interminable malestrom

:roflcopt:

I notice he's got a quote from his friend as his sig, too.

Poor conflicted thing. No wonder he's so angry.

[Clutch Munny]

How would you summarize the "intellectual content" of Horowitz's slideshow?

trying to draw me into an interminable malestrom of mindless nitpickery.
:chuckle:

"But those are all demonstrable falsehoods."
"Nitpicker!"

How long this time, yguy, before you shame yourself sufficiently with such stupidity and cowardly evasions that even you feel compelled to slink away for a couple of months?

[Watser?]

Granted, this is perhaps an unfair caricature of our enemies. Closer to the mark, I suppose, would be some guys in black cutting off a guy's head with a knife, or feeding a child to its parents at gunpoint.

I guess I missed that particular horror story. Would you perhaps be interested in some of the pranks that the Christian militias in Lebanon were up to?

Just so you won't have to rely on caricatures of your allies.

[Adam]

Whiteness isn't critically examined as often as it ought to be.

Uhhh...did you miss the visual aids upthread? White is GOOD, non-white is EVIL. ANY QUESTIONS?

One might, if one knew that to be the case. Whether that particular accusation is veridical or not...

One doesn't actually need to know that to be the case to point out that the content of this particular accusation is identical to the good old fashioned blood libel myths that attach themselves to just about every demonized group and, in the absence of any verifiable evidence that the incident actually occurred, to count that as a point against its chances of being true.

[Ensign Steve]

Yes, I found the choice of O Fortuna to be very original and appropriate. When was the last time you heard that used for dramatic effect? Oh? The Super Bowl? Never mind.

Is that the name of it? I've only known it as The Darkness, don't ask me where that comes from.

Did y'all follow the link to The Islamic Mein Kampf (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/)

[ChuckF]

Ooo, new slide transitions and music that may have come out of Warcraft. The Freedom Center has talent!

[Nullifidian]

Yes, I found the choice of O Fortuna to be very original and appropriate. When was the last time you heard that used for dramatic effect? Oh? The Super Bowl? Never mind.

Is that the name of it? I've only known it as The Darkness, don't ask me where that comes from.

Did y'all follow the link to The Islamic Mein Kampf (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/)

You know, they claim that all the sources for the quotes are available in this pamphlet of theirs, and then they don't offer the pamphlet up for scrutiny or even purchase on their website.

Maybe Horowitz will offer it when MEMRI finishes writing it. ;)

[yguy]

How would you summarize the "intellectual content" of Horowitz's slideshow?

trying to draw me into an interminable malestrom of mindless nitpickery.
:chuckle:

"But those are all demonstrable falsehoods."
Well now we're getting somewhere, aren't we? Since the link in question is nothing but falsehoods, you oughta be able to cull out no less than 3 absolute whoppers without even thinking about it. Do be quick, old bean, since as you can well imagine, I'm positively quivering with breathless anticipation of the ferocious intellectual cannonade you are no doubt preparing to rain down upon my poor, hapless noggin...

...ya pusillanimous little girlyboy. <sneer>How long this time, yguy, before you shame yourself sufficiently with such stupidity and cowardly evasions that even you feel compelled to slink away for a couple of months?
Seeing how I've never done such a thing, you can bank on it being quite awhile before it happens.

Hope that helps, faggot. :cool:

[yguy]

One doesn't actually need to know that to be the case to point out that the content of this particular accusation is identical to the good old fashioned blood libel myths that attach themselves to just about every demonized group There are two ways any group can be demonized: through lies, as is done to the Bush administration on pretty much a daily basis here, or by its own actions. Bringing a railing accusation against the devil may not always be prudent, but it's nevertheless pretty near impossible to slander people who routinely murder not only their enemies' children, but also their own.

[Clutch Munny]

...ya pusillanimous little girlyboy. <sneer> ...faggot. :cool:
Um, could you show a little less homoerotic fascination with me, please? I strongly suspect you have (what you feel to be) your inner demons on the matter, but this thinly-veiled and hostile sexualization of me is a bit off-putting.

Anyhow, I was rather obviously alluding to your habit of posting howlers. The linked fear-porn virtually never rises to level of making actual substantive claims that could be false; hence my writing, in English and everything, that it's virtually content-free.

I take it we're in for about two weeks of your typical widening gyre of delirium and self-humiliation, before you flee the scene, then?

[yguy]

...ya pusillanimous little girlyboy. <sneer> ...faggot. :cool:
Um, could you show a little less homoerotic fascination with me, please? Since I haven't shown any whatsoever, that would be a definite no. :)a bit off-putting. Then screw off and die, sissy. :)Anyhow, I was rather obviously alluding to your habit of posting howlers. The linked fear-porn virtually never rises to level of making actual substantive claims that could be false; hence my writing, in English and everything, that it's virtually content-free.

I take it we're in for about two weeks of your typical widening gyre of delirium and self-humiliation, before you flee the scene, then?What all this means, of course, is that poor old Crotch can't find a lick of substantive fault with any of Horowitz's claims - and is too much of a coward to admit it - and neither can the rest of you sheeple, obviously.

[Clutch Munny]

the intellectual content in a link

How would you summarize the "intellectual content" of Horowitz's slideshow?

homo...ya pusillanimous little girlyboy. <sneer> ...faggot... sissy.

What all this means, of course

:lol:

Don't worry. Everyone knows what all this means.

[Watser?]

Stop flirting with Clutch for a while yguy and try to concentrate on the discussion at hand (such as it is).
There are two ways any group can be demonized: through lies or, as is done to the Bush administration on pretty much a daily basis here, by pointing out its own actions.:fixed:

Bringing a railing accusation against the devil may not always be prudent, but it's nevertheless pretty near impossible to slander people who routinely murder not only their enemies' children, but also their own.Routinely murder their enemies children? Now let's see, that would be American children? Nope, they didn't even kill those at 9/11 as far as I know. Israeli children? Well luckily for us the Israeli organisation B'Tselem (http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp) keeps the scores. And here they are: 'Palestinian minors killed by Israeli security forces in the Occupied Territories 844 in Israel 2. Israeli minors killed by Palestinians in the Occupied Territories 39 in Israel 80.' Hmmm, looks like the Israelis are the devil here and the Palestinians are mere lesser demons.
I don't have any statistics for Iraq I'm afraid as nobody keeps them. A lot of children get killed it is true. None of them are American children btw, but some of the ones that get killed do get killed by American air raids, US troops shootings at roadblocks etc. So I am pretty sure the US kills Iraqi children, it is pretty much inherent in air raids on heavily populated areas and in roadblock rules of engagement.
But killing their own children is a pretty strong accusation, I'm sure you have some proof for that.

[davidm]

Ah, Homo yguy is back; intermediate link on the chain of species descending to Homo sapiens!

His handlers have freed him from his cage, and led him toward the computer. He approaches it with a sluggish shuffle, knuckles bumping on the floor.

Beetling of brow, prognathous of jaw and glazed of eye, he crouches before the monitor, tilting his head from side to side as if to say, “What is this?”

Instead of letters or numbers, the keyboard consists of simplified pictograms. He slaps a few of the symbols with the flat of his palm, part of a long hand with an opposable yet stunted thumb. On the monitor, images light up of a homo, a pusillanimous little girlyboy, a faggot and a sissy.

Ooo-ooo-ooo! Yguy grunts, leaping up and down, slapping his hands on his chest and making jungle noises. His handlers rush forth, and offer a pacifying banana.

[Stormlight]

:lol:

[Adam]

There are two ways any group can be demonized: through lies, as is done to the Bush administration on pretty much a daily basis here...

Or, for example, by repeating a baseless, and probably untrue, story about cooking children.

...or by its own actions. Bringing a railing accusation against the devil may not always be prudent, but it's nevertheless pretty near impossible to slander people who routinely murder not only their enemies' children, but also their own.

In other words, it doesn't matter if the story is true or not. The people* involved are so irredeemably monstrous that any horror can be attributed to them because it may as well be true. That's more or less the definition of truthiness.

* - I'm not sure which people you're saying it's impossible to slander, by the way. The specific (and potentially fictional) individuals reported to have cooked babies? Anyone who joins al Qeada in Iraq? Anyone who joins any militant group in Iraq? Any Islamist?

[Adam]

The linked fear-porn virtually never rises to level of making actual substantive claims that could be false; hence my writing, in English and everything, that it's virtually content-free.

Seriously...how many actual assertions did Horowitz's Islamo-Snuff-Flick make? The only one I recall is that Islamists want global jihad. Well, duh.

[Nullifidian]

[...]

[davidm]

Homo Yguy is led by his handlers toward the computer. His knuckles scrape the floor.

An animated presentation is under way. It is bright and shiny, and it moves.

It moves! Christ on a stick, how do they do that?

Astounded, the intermediate ape-man runs a palm over the screen, prognathous jaw clacking and glazed eyes showing a brief flicker of curiosity (not to say intelligence).

Riveted (not to say retarded), the ape man listens to the background music and chanting, and sees, flashing over and over, the following word:

JIHAHD JIHAD JIHAD JIHAD JIHAD
JIHAHD JIHAD JIHAD JIHAD JIHAD

Plus, certain countries are delineated in pulsating green. In animated pulsating green! For Christ sake! How do they do that?

Fuck! Who can counter argumentum pulsatum greenum?

Homo yguy fondles the monitor, brain functions suddenly elevated as if by a Kubrickian monolith. He is radically engorged below.

Of course! All Muslims are bad! After all, they are swarthy! They are sand niggers, and they own guns!

Illumined, Homo Yguy extracts a long ribbon of turd from his posterior, rolls it into chocolate-like balls and, pant-hooting, pelts the JIHAD screen. He hits the image of a swarthy sand nigger clad in a turban. Take that, fucker!

[D. Scarlatti]

:laugh:

Somebody needs to archive some of these gems in the reading room.

[lisarea]

Once you brood of mincing, nattering nancy boys are done with your flaccid rebuttals of the OP, perhaps you'd like to refute this equally articulate argument:

rB8HudfbaTE

[Uthgar the Brazen]

:git::rockout2::git:

[Clutch Munny]

Ha! Just goes to show you can't refute the intellectual content of a Scorpions video.

You sweet, sweet, dewy-eyed, trembling, bi-curious thing, you... <leer>

[yguy]

There are two ways any group can be demonized: through lies, as is done to the Bush administration on pretty much a daily basis here...

Or, for example, by repeating a baseless, and probably untrue, story about cooking children.It can't be done in a case like this. It would be like saying Hitler killed 10 million Jews instead of 6 million. What the hell's the difference?...or by its own actions. Bringing a railing accusation against the devil may not always be prudent, but it's nevertheless pretty near impossible to slander people who routinely murder not only their enemies' children, but also their own.

In other words, it doesn't matter if the story is true or not. In the present context, that's correct.The people* involved are so irredeemably monstrous that any horror can be attributed to them because it may as well be true.It has nothing to do with the capacity for redemption or the lack thereof. Once you get to the place where children become nothing more than means to a desired end, serving them as food after you murder them isn't much of a stretch.I'm not sure which people you're saying it's impossible to slander, by the way.Islamic terrorists. You're welcome.

[yguy]

The linked fear-porn virtually never rises to level of making actual substantive claims that could be false; hence my writing, in English and everything, that it's virtually content-free.

Seriously...how many actual assertions did Horowitz's Islamo-Snuff-Flick make? The only one I recall is that Islami[c terrorists] want global jihad. Well, duh.Thank you for finally acknowledging that Horowitz's claims here can only be seen as controversial by the ignorant, the retarded and the traitorous.

[Watser?]

And as we saw last year when the Israelis were cluster bombing Lebanon, everyone who is in the neighborhood (or let's say a 100 mile radius of the nearest armed Muslim) is automatically a terrorist too: "Everyone in southern Lebanon is a terrorist and is connected to Hezbollah." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Ramon#Joining_Kadima_and_Lebanon_conflict)

[Watser?]

The linked fear-porn virtually never rises to level of making actual substantive claims that could be false; hence my writing, in English and everything, that it's virtually content-free.

Seriously...how many actual assertions did Horowitz's Islamo-Snuff-Flick make? The only one I recall is that Islami[c terrorists] want global jihad. Well, duh.Thank you for finally acknowledging that Horowitz's claims here can only be seen as controversial by the ignorant, the retarded and the traitorous.

Aha, yes. Planning to hang you some traitors yet, yguy?

There are a couple of things you forgot to mention in your online lessons in how to demonise someone. One of the most important ones is taking things out of context. For instance: we don't mention that the Reagan administration was meddling in the war in Lebanon and picking a fight with the anti-Israeli opposition by lobbing shells the size of Volkswagen beetles fired from a battleship into Druze villages in the Shouf mountains (since we are on the subject of killing children). We of course only mention the reply, which was to blow up the US embassy and then the US marines barracks in Beirut. And then not mentioning the US reply to that in the form of a dirty campaign of car bombings financed and directed by the CIA.
It is a thing that hate-mongers have been doing for centuries, making martyrs of 'their' victims and not mentioning the other side's victims.
But the most effective accusation has always been that your enemies eat children and of course there just never happened to be any evidence that the Jews were eating anybody's children, but that never stopped anyone.

[Adam]

But the most effective accusation has always been that your enemies eat children and of course there just never happened to be any evidence that the Jews were eating anybody's children, but that never stopped anyone.

Don't you see that whether or not they actually ate children doesn't matter? They had committed so many other foul deeds that they may as well have eaten children too!

[Watser?]

But the most effective accusation has always been that your enemies eat children and of course there just never happened to be any evidence that the Jews were eating anybody's children, but that never stopped anyone.

Don't you see that whether or not they actually ate children doesn't matter? They had committed so many other foul deeds that they may as well have eaten children too!

:doh: Oh yeah, I forgot...

[Adam]

Thank you for finally acknowledging that Horowitz's claims here can only be seen as controversial by the ignorant, the retarded and the traitorous.

Practice your reading comprehension, Peaches. No one here has expressed any disagreement with Horowitz's claims, because he hasn't actually made any. The only thing in Horowitz's Islamo-Death-Porn slideshow that even vaguely resembles a declarative sentence is the proposition that Islamists advocate global jihad and I hardly count a single assertion of an obvious uncontroversial truth to be a claim worth disputing or defending. Rather, what's being criticized is the over the top sturm and drang used in the presentation,which is quite clearly intended to make sure that the viewer is hyper-aware (read: scared shitless) of Islamic terrorists. I'm sure we'd all love to examine any claims Horowitz might have made in the slideshow, if only there were some content beyond OMG OMG MUSLIMS OMG TERROR OMG OMG OMG THEYRE GOING TO KILL YOU!!!111!!ELEVEN!!

It can't be done in a case like this. It would be like saying Hitler killed 10 million Jews instead of 6 million. What the hell's the difference?

Well, for starters, some statements are true and some are false. We don't get to invent our own truths as long the person we're making shit up about is evil enough.

And, no, actually, it would be more like claiming Hitler killed 10 million Jews and then cooked and ate some of their children. Cannibalism and violence against children are among the actions that we tend to find the most revolting, which is why we have historically used accusations of those acts when we want to demonize a group.

It has nothing to do with the capacity for redemption or the lack thereof. Once you get to the place where children become nothing more than means to a desired end, serving them as food after you murder them isn't much of a stretch.

To which specific incident or incidents are you referring?

[yguy]

Thank you for finally acknowledging that Horowitz's claims here can only be seen as controversial by the ignorant, the retarded and the traitorous.

Practice your reading comprehension, Peaches. No one here has expressed any disagreement with Horowitz's claims, because he hasn't actually made any. You either didn't watch the video or didn't comprehend what you saw. Horowitz attributed many barbarous quotes to many Islamists, and cited many attacks attributed to same. That the claims are irrefutable hardly makes them anything but claims.The only thing in Horowitz's Islamo-Death-Porn slideshow that even vaguely resembles a declarative sentence is the proposition that Islamists advocate global jihad and I hardly count a single assertion of an obvious uncontroversial truth to be a claim worth disputing or defending. Good. :)Rather, what's being criticized is the over the top sturm and drang used in the presentation,which is quite clearly intended to make sure that the viewer is hyper-aware (read: scared shitless) of Islamic terrorists.Why would you have a problem with someone creating a perception shell around Islamic terrorists with indisputable facts when you evidently have no problem with people here doing the same to the Bush adminstration and the American military with unsubstantiated claims, falsehoods and outright lies?It can't be done in a case like this. It would be like saying Hitler killed 10 million Jews instead of 6 million. What the hell's the difference? We don't get to invent our own truths I agree, which is why I've done no such thing.It has nothing to do with the capacity for redemption or the lack thereof. Once you get to the place where children become nothing more than means to a desired end, serving them as food after you murder them isn't much of a stretch.

To which specific incident or incidents are you referring?You've heard of Palestinian suicide bombers, some as young as 16?

[ChuckF]

The typically hysterical Melanie Morgan's been watching David Horowitz's slides! Watch until the very end of the clip for the Islamofascist money shot.

os_QpmwORXU

[Adam]

You either didn't watch the video or didn't comprehend what you saw. Horowitz attributed many barbarous quotes to many Islamists, and cited many attacks attributed to same. That the claims are irrefutable hardly makes them anything but claims.

OK, if you're counting copying and pasting a bunch of quotations as 'claims' then, yes, Horowitz makes a number of claims, and his ability to locate the Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V keys* on his keyboard is unassailable. It's obvious that the rest of us who have chimed in here do not consider an assortment of quotations presented with no analysis or commentary to be a claim worth discussing.

Why would you have a problem with someone creating a perception shell around Islamic terrorists with indisputable facts when you evidently have no problem with people here doing the same to the Bush adminstration and the American military with unsubstantiated claims, falsehoods and outright lies?

Why on earth would I support someone creating a 'perception shell' around anything unless I were specifically shilling for the point of view the shell was designed to imply? I'd rather see a sober analysis backed up by evidence.

You've heard of Palestinian suicide bombers, some as young as 16?

You're seriously equating recruiting a 16 year old with cooking and eating a child? I'm pretty sure that Islamic law denotes puberty as the onset of adulthood so, presumably, those 16 year old suicide bombers were adults. Not to say that suicide bombing is peachy, but I think you're off base with your 'children as a means to an end' accusation here.

* - I realize that, if he's using a Mac, the copy and paste shortcuts are probably different but, if he's using a Mac, then we can safely assume that he cooks the children of Windows and Linux users and then feeds them to their parents at gunpoint, because we all know there's no debasement Mac users won't gleefully partake of and, thus, it's impossible to slander them.

[Ensign Steve]

* - I realize that, if he's using a Mac, the copy and paste shortcuts are probably different but, if he's using a Mac, then we can safely assume that he cooks the children of Windows and Linux users and then feeds them to their parents at gunpoint, because we all know there's no debasement Mac users won't gleefully partake of and, thus, it's impossible to slander them.

You're darn tootin! :hungry: :baby:

[yguy]

It's obvious that the rest of us who have chimed in here do not consider an assortment of quotations presented with no analysis or commentary to be a claim worth discussing.Or, for that matter, paying any mind to. After all, what happened to those 3000 people on 9/11 can't possibly happen to them.I'd rather see a sober analysis backed up by evidence.In case you've forgotten,

Islami[c terrorists] want global jihad. Well, duh.

What the Hell is there to analyze?

You've heard of Palestinian suicide bombers, some as young as 16?

You're seriously equating recruiting a 16 year old with cooking and eating a child? No, I'm saying that subjecting a child to constant mind rape from the time he's old enough to talk so as to turn him into a suicidal instrument of murder is itself murder.

[Watser?]

It's obvious that the rest of us who have chimed in here do not consider an assortment of quotations presented with no analysis or commentary to be a claim worth discussing.Or, for that matter, paying any mind to. After all, what happened to those 3000 people on 9/11 can't possibly happen to them.
And neither can what happened to those roughly half a million people in Iraq? Whatever happened on 9/11 is not being prevented by the solutions Horowitz or Bush propose, apart from the fact that the 'solution' has killed over 200 times as many people as the problem, it is not even helping. There are now more fundamentalist Muslims bent on revenge and wanting to kill Americans than ever before.

I'd rather see a sober analysis backed up by evidence.In case you've forgotten,

Islami[c terrorists] want global jihad. Well, duh.

What the Hell is there to analyze?
Yeah, what indeed. There is no context, there is no explanation. It is just crazy Muslims who want to kill everyone. No US army invading foreign lands (or letting Israel or Ethiopia do the dirty work). No bombs blowing up any of 'them', just 'them' blowing up 'us'. And you will never run out of enemies.

You've heard of Palestinian suicide bombers, some as young as 16?

You're seriously equating recruiting a 16 year old with cooking and eating a child? No, I'm saying that subjecting a child to constant mind rape from the time he's old enough to talk so as to turn him into a suicidal instrument of murder is itself murder.
And again: no context. No Israeli occupation taking away all hope for the future, humiliating their families and them on a daily basis.
Nope, in Horowitz's and yguy's mind you can just take an average child and brainwash them into blowing themselves up to kill their enemies. And that in turn justifies all that is done to the people under that occupation.
What a people under a colonial regime come up with isn't pretty. Look at the Mau Mau in Kenya, the South African practice of hanging rubber tires filled with gasoline around the necks of collaborators and setting them on fire. That was truly sickening. It doesn't mean it justifies the oppression. As long as the US will go on sowing violence and oppression, violence will blow back.

[Adam]

Or, for that matter, paying any mind to. After all, what happened to those 3000 people on 9/11 can't possibly happen to them.

I'm going to assume that you don't actually believe that a thread full of people who follow news, politics, and international affairs closely enough that they're actually talking about Horowitz's Islamo-Fear-Wankery are blissfully unaware of the existence of Islamic terrorism, or haven't considered the implications, and chalk this up to you being disingenuous old you.

In case you've forgotten,

Islami[c terrorists] want global jihad. Well, duh.

What the Hell is there to analyze?

What is the context in which the quoted statement were delivered?
Do the various individuals quoted represent a monolithic point of view, or is the movement fractured?
What led these individuals to say these things?
How much support do these individuals have in the Islamic world?
Do they have the operational capacity to achieve their goals?

Ya know, just off the top of my head. Granted, those questions aren't as much fun as OMG MUSLIMS OMG TERROR OMG SKEERDY CITIZENZ IS SKEERED NWO!!!!!ELEVEN!!, and certainly don't serve Horowitz's purpose which is, as you say, to create a "perception shell" rather than to analyze or illuminate.

No, I'm saying that subjecting a child to constant mind rape from the time he's old enough to talk so as to turn him into a suicidal instrument of murder is itself murder.

Just so we're clear, the goalpost has moved from "cooked children and fed them to their parents at gunpoint" all the way over to "raising children who grow up to enlist in jihad groups". You've been a great audience, folks. Tip your waitress. Or at least remind her that scary Muslims want to kill her.

[Adam]

There are now more fundamentalist Muslims bent on revenge and wanting to kill Americans than ever before.

What? There are Muslims who want to kill us? We should designate some sort of week-long event to get the word out. You make the slideshow, I'll bring the pie.

There is no context, there is no explanation. It is just crazy Muslims who want to kill everyone.

And there's the biggest problem with demonizing a group of people. They're no longer rational human beings with comprehensible goals and desires that we can take into account when we devise our policies, or use in a risk-benefit analysis. They're just crazy and irrational and evil and need killing.

As long as the US will go on sowing violence and oppression, violence will blow back.

To be fair, it's not only the US sowing the violence and oppression. Remember, the jihad movements only shifted their attention to the far enemy after attempts to defeat the near enemy, in the form of their own oppressive governments (often backed by the US, granted) failed.

[Nullifidian]

There are now more fundamentalist Muslims bent on revenge and wanting to kill Americans than ever before.

What? There are Muslims who want to kill us? We should designate some sort of week-long event to get the word out. You make the slideshow, I'll bring the pie.

Okay, but it has to be a meringue pie. White on top, brown on the bottom: this is the natural order of things. Anything else is objectively pro-terrorist baking.

[ChuckF]

As long as the US will go on sowing violence and oppression, violence will blow back.
To be fair, it's not only the US sowing the violence and oppression. Remember, the jihad movements only shifted their attention to the far enemy after attempts to defeat the near enemy, in the form of their own oppressive governments (often backed by the US, granted) failed.
Or, in the case of some certain Mujahideen, they fought first against the near enemy (e.g. the Soviet Union) with the explicit backing of the US before shifting their attention to the US.

[yguy]

Or, for that matter, paying any mind to. After all, what happened to those 3000 people on 9/11 can't possibly happen to them.

I'm going to assume that you don't actually believe that a thread full of people who follow news, politics, and international affairs closely enough that they're actually talking about Horowitz's Islamo-Fear-Wankery [seek blissful unawareness] of the existence of Islamic terrorism, Believe, nothing. I know it for a stone fact. This thread is bloated with evidence of it - never mind the prevailing anti-American, anti-Bush bias on this board generally.In case you've forgotten,

Islami[c terrorists] want global jihad. Well, duh.

What the Hell is there to analyze?

[1]What is the context in which the quoted statement were delivered?
[2]Do the various individuals quoted represent a monolithic point of view, or is the movement fractured?
[3]What led these individuals to say these things?
[4]How much support do these individuals have in the Islamic world?
Do they have the operational capacity to achieve their goals?OK, so you've (maybe) changed your mind about there being anything in the vid worth discussing. On the off chance that you have any interest in straightforward answers to those questions, I'll humor you:

1. There's a link at the end of the vid(s) for the sources of the quotes. However, I'm not aware of any which could possibly be made exculpatory by context. Perhaps you know of one or two exceptions.

2. The more divided against ourselves we are, the less fractured they will be, and vice versa.

3. The same thing that motivated their spiritual kin such as Hitler and Jim Jones: the desire to direct the anger of the masses at a scape goat as a disctraction from the reality of being enslaved by their "saviors".

4. Ahmadinejad was quoted once or twice, IIRC. I hear tell he runs a country, so maybe he's worth notice.No, I'm saying that subjecting a child to constant mind rape from the time he's old enough to talk so as to turn him into a suicidal instrument of murder is itself murder.

Just so we're clear, the goalpost has moved It hasn't moved an inch. You just didn't understand where it was to begin with.

[lisarea]

Believe, nothing. I know it for a stone fact. This thread is bloated with evidence of it - never mind the prevailing anti-American, anti-Bush bias on this board generally.

If you're pro-Bush, you're anti-American, kiddo.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

Believe, nothing. I know it for a stone fact. This thread is bloated with evidence of it - never mind the prevailing anti-American, anti-Bush bias on this board generally.

If you're pro-Bush, you're anti-American, kiddo.

how so?

he seems pretty american to me...

[yguy]

If you're pro-Bush, you're anti-American, kiddo.I don't know that I'd call myself pro-Bush, exactly. A good case could made for impeaching him for McCain-Feingold and his immigration policies, but the people impeaching him would have to impeach themselves as well.

Of course leftist Bush haters have a rather different standard for impeachment than real Americans: we'd impeach him for disobeying his oath of office, and they'd impeach him for precisely the opposite reason. :)

[D. Scarlatti]

Yeah that makes sense, real Americans would impeach Bush for not faithfully executing the laws they hate.

[Sauron]

Or, for that matter, paying any mind to. After all, what happened to those 3000 people on 9/11 can't possibly happen to them.

I'm going to assume that you don't actually believe that a thread full of people who follow news, politics, and international affairs closely enough that they're actually talking about Horowitz's Islamo-Fear-Wankery [seek blissful unawareness] of the existence of Islamic terrorism, Believe, nothing. I know it for a stone fact.

Oh, dear.....how to break the news to you, yguy?

Your personal musings don't qualify as fact. Sucks to be wrong. Sucks worse when you don't even know you're wrong.

This thread is bloated with evidence of it - never mind the prevailing anti-American, anti-Bush bias on this board generally.

Bush is an idiot. It'll take 20 years to recover from the damage that mediocre frat boy has done to this country.


4. Ahmadinejad was quoted once or twice, IIRC. I hear tell he runs a country, so maybe he's worth notice.
Only if you're unsophisticated enough to understand the nuances of political speech, perhaps. Oh! I guess that describes you, doesn't it? Tsk, tsk.......:chin:

[Adam]

I'm going to assume that you don't actually believe that a thread full of people who follow news, politics, and international affairs closely enough that they're actually talking about Horowitz's Islamo-Fear-Wankery [seek blissful unawareness] of the existence of Islamic terrorism,

Believe, nothing. I know it for a stone fact. This thread is bloated with evidence of it - never mind the prevailing anti-American, anti-Bush bias on this board generally.

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about that charming trick where you edit what the person you're quoting said so as to alter their apparent meaning. Naturally, you eschew the charitable interpretation, which is that we've all considered the situation and come to the conclusion that Islamic terrorism poses neither the existential threat to Western civilization claimed by fearmongers like Horowitz, nor a significant personal threat to most individuals (Sure, it can happen to me...it's just much, much less likely to occur to me than my being killed by a reckless driver on my way to work or, statistically speaking, than my taking my own life. I don't react to either of those possibilities with pants-wetting terror and demands that my government make the scary things go away, even if I have to surrender essential Constituonal rights, even though tthey are actually greater threats to my well being.). You favor, rather, the notion that, since we disagree with you, we're willfully blind, not to mention anti-American. *shrug* Whatever works for you.

OK, so you've (maybe) changed your mind about there being anything in the vid worth discussing. On the off chance that you have any interest in straightforward answers to those questions...

I'm not actually interested in discussing those questions at this time. I raised them only to point out that, while they're questions any rational person would ask upon viewing the video, they aren't questions the video itself addresses because, as noted, it's virtually content free and is obviously intended to frighten rather than to inform.

[The goalpost] hasn't moved an inch. You just didn't understand where it was to begin with.

I'll let the English language literate reader judge that for him or herself.

[beyelzu]

* - I realize that, if he's using a Mac, the copy and paste shortcuts are probably different but, if he's using a Mac, then we can safely assume that he cooks the children of Windows and Linux users and then feeds them to their parents at gunpoint, because we all know there's no debasement Mac users won't gleefully partake of and, thus, it's impossible to slander them.

You're darn tootin! :hungry: :baby:

fucking mac users.

get a rope

:hang:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

* - I realize that, if he's using a Mac, the copy and paste shortcuts are probably different but, if he's using a Mac, then we can safely assume that he cooks the children of Windows and Linux users and then feeds them to their parents at gunpoint, because we all know there's no debasement Mac users won't gleefully partake of and, thus, it's impossible to slander them.

You're darn tootin! :hungry: :baby:

fucking mac users.

get a rope

:hang:

But we don't want to hang you; we just want to taunt you!

[beyelzu]

btw whats up yguy, i have missed you, you never write you dont call anymore.


i told you the next time i assfuck you i swear ill give you a reach around.

quit being such a crybaby*


*i promise to also use lube next time.

[davidm]

*i promise to also use lube next time.

You didn't use lube on yguy? :glare: No wonder he's always so cranky!

[Sauron]

*i promise to also use lube next time.

You didn't use lube on yguy? :glare: No wonder he's always so cranky!

Gee, is that really necessary?

Not your comment. I mean I'm just wondering if the *lube* is necessary. Given how slippery and slimy yguy is, I question whether lube is even needed......:chin:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

*i promise to also use lube next time.

You didn't use lube on yguy? :glare: No wonder he's always so cranky!

Gee, is that really necessary?

Not your comment. I mean I'm just wondering if the *lube* is necessary. Given how slippery and slimy yguy is, I question whether lube is even needed......:chin:

I don't know about you, but the mental imagery here has made my cock retreat and hide behind my kidneys. Thanks a lot.

[Adam]

Pfft...another cut-and-run defeatocock.

[beyelzu]

:lol:

no doubt adam

[Adam]

Rick Perlstein wrote (http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/david_horowitz_writes_me_letter) about the Horowitz fear porn a couple days ago, and Horowitz published a response (http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=3392BA16-BD30-4305-ADEA-BBCC1BE12564)that's amusing enough:

His email read: “Couldn't find your jihad vid on YouTube as promised in your email today. What's the YouTube URL? – RP” Of course I knew who Rick Perlstein was, and the lack of a hello in his email or any modicum of civility, which even a political opponent could be expected to muster, might have caused a less generous fellow than I can sometimes be to ignore the communication or just tell him to get lost. After all, on past occasions he had attacked me pretty viciously, and this email was not a response to anything I had actually written but to an e-newsletter that my staff had put out which bore my signature.

But that is not the way I deal with people. Instead of treating him according to his deserts, I did what I usually do in such cases and let the insulting style float by me while responding thus:

“Dear Rick, I'm not sure which of our three videos you’re referring to. You can access all three at www.terrorismawareness.org....”

To which he replied: “Your e-newsletter says ‘What Every American Needs to Know About Jihad’ is on YouTube, which I’d like to embed on my site.”

By this time I had a pretty good idea that whatever he was going to do with the video was not going to be pleasant, but I went along with the program anyway: “I’m happy to be collaborating on something with you. I’ll have to pass this question on to my technical people…”

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Instead of treating him according to his deserts...

Buh? :dopey:

[ChuckF]

as noted, it's virtually content free and is obviously intended to frighten rather than to inform.
Slow down. I'm not comfortable saying that this video is only intended to frighten. Sure, you and I and many others may find it frightening for a variety of reasons.

But it also looks a lot like an al Qaeda recruitment video or something.

[D. Scarlatti]

Here's another one (http://olbroad.com/WordPress/?p=735).

Shalom!

[Adam]

So, yah, it appears that Horowitz, or at least whoever authors his email, may have been lying about that part where the FBI-California Highway Patrol Joint Counter-terrorism Task Force wanted to use his nonsense as a training video. Per Perlstein (http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/david_horowitz_fibbing) again, one of his readers apparently received this response from the CHP:

You recently sent a statement to the California Highway Patrol with your concerns about an article "The Great Circle of Insanity" which was posted on web site "Daily KOS". Additionally, you expressed concerns regarding the California Highway Patrol's usage of a video titled "What Every American Needs to Know About Jihad" that is mentioned on the web site. I can assure you the California Highway Patrol's head of the FBI-California Highway Patrol, Joint Terrorism Task Force did not request a copy of the video. While an employee of this Department did request a copy, the video was not used nor will it be used for training purposes.

So, even if we're charitable here and assume that whoever wrote that email on Horowitz's behalf thought that the CHP was going to use it for training, wtf? Where I come from, we fact check things before we put them in press releases. Well....unless we don't want to. Then, we say whatever we want and cite an industry website that we manage in house to back ourselves up. Seriously.

[yguy]

I'm going to assume that you don't actually believe that a thread full of people who follow news, politics, and international affairs closely enough that they're actually talking about Horowitz's Islamo-Fear-Wankery [seek blissful unawareness] of the existence of Islamic terrorism,

Believe, nothing. I know it for a stone fact. This thread is bloated with evidence of it - never mind the prevailing anti-American, anti-Bush bias on this board generally.

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about that charming trick where you edit what the person you're quoting said so as to alter their apparent meaning. Naturally, you eschew the charitable interpretation, There is a difference between charity and slack-jawed credulity, in case you're not aware.which is that we've all considered the situation and come to the conclusion that Islamic terrorism poses neither the existential threat to Western civilization claimed by fearmongers like Horowitz, nor a significant personal threat to most individuals Of course. The real threat to the average American is that he or she will be rousted out of bed at midnight for posting anti-American rhetoric on a BB, or have his or her phone tapped while in the process of having phone sex. :rolleyes:(Sure, it can happen to me...it's just much, much less likely to occur to me than my being killed by a reckless driver on my way to work or, statistically speaking, than my taking my own life. I don't react to either of those possibilities with pants-wetting terror and demands that my government make the scary things go away, And well you shouldn't, since all those things are, at their worst, attacks on you personally rather than against the country. I'm sure you see the difference. ;)even if I have to surrender essential Constituonal rights, Has it occurred to you that several thousand people lost the right from which all rights flow as a consequence of the Clinton administration's insistence on respecting the rights of known terrorists like Bin Laden?even though tthey are actually greater threats to my well being.). Not much interested in the big picture, are you?OK, so you've (maybe) changed your mind about there being anything in the vid worth discussing. On the off chance that you have any interest in straightforward answers to those questions...

I'm not actually interested in discussing those questions at this time. What a surprise. It's also not exactly a shock to see that you show a lot more interest in a trivial controversy that you figure has the potential to make Horowitz look bad. ;)I raised them only to point out that, while they're questions any rational person would ask upon viewing the video, they aren't questions the video itself addresses because, as noted, it's virtually content free and is obviously intended to frighten rather than to inform.If it's so "content free", one has to wonder why you would spend so much time attacking it - especially with posts that are themselves almost entirely content free.

[Sauron]

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about that charming trick where you edit what the person you're quoting said so as to alter their apparent meaning. Naturally, you eschew the charitable interpretation,

There is a difference between charity and slack-jawed credulity, in case you're not aware.
Which doesn't help your argument one whit. Trying to elevate your poorly informed musings to the status of "fact" isn't fooling anyone.

And your habit of editing other people's posts for your own purposes is, well, juvenile.

which is that we've all considered the situation and come to the conclusion that Islamic terrorism poses neither the existential threat to Western civilization claimed by fearmongers like Horowitz, nor a significant personal threat to most individuals

Of course. The real threat to the average American is that he or she will be rousted out of bed.............

Poor attempt at a dodge, yguy.

We are already aware of the issues. The reality is that we're far more aware than you are, and are likewise better informed.

We've simply evaluated the evidence without the ridiculous neo-con lens you are wearing. Given the evidence, we have easily dismissed the kindergarten level fear-mongering of the right-wing echo chamber that people like Horowitz thrive on.

May I make an observation? Your whole raison d'etre appears to be trying to prove to yourself that you know something that the mass media doesn't. But to be blunt: given the experience in this folder, the wide exposure of information sources, and the level of analysis that has been demonstrated, you simply aren't of the same intellectual caliber. My advice is for you to lurk and learn.

Has it occurred to you that several thousand people lost the right from which all rights flow as a consequence of the Clinton administration's insistence on respecting the rights of known terrorists like Bin Laden?

I doubt it's occurred to *anyone*, chiefly because it isn't true -- like so much of what you post without thinking.

It's also not exactly a shock to see that you show a lot more interest in a trivial controversy that you figure has the potential to make Horowitz look bad. ;)

Horowitz's poorly informed nonsense is already doing a pretty good job of that. And people like you, of course, assist his effort at self-implosion.

[Sauron]

So, yah, it appears that Horowitz, or at least whoever authors his email, may have been lying about that part where the FBI-California Highway Patrol Joint Counter-terrorism Task Force wanted to use his nonsense as a training video. Per Perlstein (http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/david_horowitz_fibbing) again, one of his readers apparently received this response from the CHP:

You recently sent a statement to the California Highway Patrol with your concerns about an article "The Great Circle of Insanity" which was posted on web site "Daily KOS". Additionally, you expressed concerns regarding the California Highway Patrol's usage of a video titled "What Every American Needs to Know About Jihad" that is mentioned on the web site. I can assure you the California Highway Patrol's head of the FBI-California Highway Patrol, Joint Terrorism Task Force did not request a copy of the video. While an employee of this Department did request a copy, the video was not used nor will it be used for training purposes.

So, even if we're charitable here and assume that whoever wrote that email on Horowitz's behalf thought that the CHP was going to use it for training, wtf? Where I come from, we fact check things before we put them in press releases. Well....unless we don't want to. Then, we say whatever we want and cite an industry website that we manage in house to back ourselves up. Seriously.

So wait - are you telling me that right-wing nutjobs actually exaggerate and inflate the stories they tell on their websites? Even when they have really official-looking footnotes on their websites, to make it look like their claims are fully documented?:liar:

Kinda like creationists inflate their credentials, and footnote their "creation science" pamphets? :liar:

Or how neo-cons inflated the chance of success in Iraq, and downplayed the negatives, and footnote their blue-ribbon reports with quotations from the Heritage Foundation?:liar:

Why would *anyone* believe such people?

Does chief justice yguy have any comment, pray tell?

Naw...I didn't think so..... :rolleyes: