Knights Templar Trial Minutes Published 700 Years Later

[livius drusus]

In an amazing superfanceh edition (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL093422320071012?pageNumber=1). Of course, to read it you'll need $8,333 and a thorough understanding of Medieval Church Latin. Oh, and somebody on the inside to save you a copy 'cause they're only printing 799 of them and they're already earmarked for libraries and Medieval scholars.

This is a milestone because it is the first time that these documents are being released by the Vatican, which gives a stamp of authority to the entire project," said Professor Barbara Frale, a medievalist at the Vatican's Secret Archives.

"Nothing before this offered scholars original documents of the trials of the Templars," she told Reuters in a telephone interview ahead of the official presentation of the work on October 25.

The epic comes in a soft leather case that includes a large-format book including scholarly commentary, reproductions of original parchments in Latin, and -- to tantalize Templar buffs -- replicas of the wax seals used by 14th-century inquisitors.

[...]

One parchment measuring about half a meter wide by some two meters long is so detailed that it includes reproductions of stains and imperfections seen on the originals.

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:homdrool:

P.S. - I wonder what Professor Frale's business cards say, because how cool is it to work at the Vatican's Secret Archives?

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

cool. i always dug the story of the templars. in 11:11 circles (:P), you hear them mentioned often because there is a theory they were started in 1111...

[livius drusus]

They were founded in 1119, as far as I know, and endorsed by the Church 10 years later at the Council of Troyes. On what grounds is the 1111 speculation based?

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

i am not saying it is fact and it actually is a theory born outside the 11:11 phenomenon...i tried to google it and find the site that was rational, but now there is just lots of garbage up there, but still no shortage of sites claiming they were formed in 1111...

if i remember correctly, they were officially formed in 1119, but had secretly started to come together 8 or 9 years before that, leaving some to speculate that 1111AD was the actual time of their formation...

[Ari]

On what grounds are any of his posts based on?


If only I had $8,000, I don't care if I can't read poor english cursive let alone medival latin, I would pet it and hug it and I would name it Tomas.

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

sorry...even my 'facts' were off...here is what i found at one site that says something similar to what i have read about it in the past:

In 1095, the Empire launched the First Crusade to capture Jerusalem for Europe, and in 1099 Godfroi de Bouillon passed the seat onto his brother Baudouin I, who is historically credited with having negotiated the constitution of the Knights Templar in 1117, and granting them headquarters on the Temple Mount. The “Priory documents” state that the Templars were actually founded by the Ordre de Sion six years earlier, in 1111, and that Baudouin was working on their behalf.

TRACYRTWYMAN.COM » The Priory of Sion and the True Knights of the Apocalypse (http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=56)

[InTheServiceOfZeke]

On what grounds are any of his posts based on?

pardon? is this to me?

[livius drusus]

If only I had $8,000, I don't care if I can't read poor english cursive let alone medival latin, I would pet it and hug it and I would name it Tomas.
OMG me too!1 Only I might wear latex gloves so as not to muss up the pretteh with my dirty, filthy human oils.

sorry...even my 'facts' were off...here is what i found at one site that says something similar to what i have read about it in the past:
Ah, okay. Well, that seems to be sourced by Da Vinci Code fiction and Holy Blood, Holy Grail quasi-fiction, so not very solid stuff. Still, gotta love secret society paranoia. That freemason conspiracy stuff is always fun. :aww:

[cappuccino]

I turned green when I first heard that the Vatican was releasing the Templar documents. If only I had a few thousand dollars to toss around and could read Medieval Latin. As it is, I'm poor and can barely read modern Latin.

This aspiring amateur medievalist will have to content himself with watching the bookphile orgy from afar. Sometimes I have regrets about my choice of study in college.

I'm just amazed that they actually reproduced the wax seals too and all the imperfections and etc of the documents. There's quite nothing like the Vatican's drive for perfection in scholarly work.

[livius drusus]

Amen, brother. They made it worth the 700 year wait. If they sell one to a library or university in my area, I will most definitely try to get a peek. :manhug:

[Dingfod]

I brought this matter to inland wave's attention last weekend when she happen to mention they were studying the Crusades in her comparative religion class right now. She took the printed news article to her study group last Saturday. I think they all found it very interesting and timely, even if about 700 years late.

[livius drusus]

One of the great things about studying history is that something can be both timely and 700 years late.

[Leesifer]

P.S. - I wonder what Professor Frale's business cards say, because how cool is it to work at the Vatican's Secret Archives?

OMG! So, so cool. I would love that. Even though, like everyone else here (I assume) I would have no clue about the medieval Latin. :sigh:

[ChuckF]

This aspiring amateur medievalist will have to content himself with watching the bookphile orgy from afar. Sometimes I have regrets about my choice of study in college.
Yeah, you missed the medievalist gravy train :giggle:

[Angakuk]

A comment on the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail. It is absolutely the most awesomely entertaining pseudo-history I have ever read. The authors have set a very high bar for future pseudo-historians. Their use of unsupported claims, dubious evidence and pure innuendo is masterful.

[livius drusus]

I've heard that about it, Ang. As I said above, I get a kick out of that sort of stuff, so it's definitely on my reading list.

[Kyuss Apollo]

In an amazing superfanceh edition (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL093422320071012?pageNumber=1). Of course, to read it you'll need $8,333 and a thorough understanding of Medieval Church Latin. Oh, and somebody on the inside to save you a copy 'cause they're only printing 799 of them and they're already earmarked for libraries and Medieval scholars.


That is so totally HOT, liv. :howl:

[livius drusus]

You know it, brother. What are the chances your school will get its metaphoric grubby mits on a copy?

[Kyuss Apollo]

It is difficult to be precise. I should say approximately 7,824,000,000.7 to one.

[livius drusus]

:lol:

[Clutch Munny]

I only recently became aware of just how fraught the field of Medieval Latin is. (Chatting with a classicist over lunch.) I'm told that Medieval Latin is a sprawl of local, even personal, inventions, conventions and haphazard habits of spelling, orthography, grammar, and vocabulary. Decoding it is as much a matter of fine-grained cultural interpretation as philology strictly speaking.

But this Templar business might be in Ecclesiastical Latin -- not the same as Medieval, and far more regular and regimented. I dunno.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

A comment on the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail. It is absolutely the most awesomely entertaining pseudo-history I have ever read. The authors have set a very high bar for future pseudo-historians. Their use of unsupported claims, dubious evidence and pure innuendo is masterful.

It also resulted in one of my favourite computer games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Knight_3:_Blood_of_the_Sacred,_Blood_of_the_Damned). :D

[Angakuk]

Oddly enough, Vampires were just about the only thing the authors left out of Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Must have been an oversight on their part.

[livius drusus]

:sadcheer:

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Oddly enough, Vampires were just about the only thing the authors left out of Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Must have been an oversight on their part.

No vampires ftl. :(

[Corona688]

Oddly enough, Vampires were just about the only thing the authors left out of Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Must have been an oversight on their part.

No vampires ftl. :( I should hope not. If they can outrun daylight, there's no stopping them!