Party Pills (BZP)

[Petra]

They're still legal here, but probably not for much longer.

Anyway, what I want to know is: I'm thinking about buying a couple to help me through all this moving stuff. I'm feeling really worn out, but I can't stop here.

In the interests of full disclosure, I'm taking a generic Prozac (20mg) at the moment. (You would too if you lived with an Alzheimer's sufferer! :glare:)

I'm 44 years old and haven't had anything remotely like speed in years.

Should I? Or shouldn't I? I really do need that extra burst of superhuman energy.

What do you think? Why/why not? (Bear in mind, I'm not asking anyone to advocate anything illegal - these things are still legal here).

[Shelli]

Your best bet is to check with your doctor. If for whatever reason, you'd rather not, you could check the possible interactions with Prozac.

Possible food and drug interactions when taking Prozac (http://www.healthsquare.com/newrx/pro1362_4.htm)

I also take 20mg daily of Prozac and I also take Imitrex which is on the list and I haven't noticed any differences.

[livius drusus]

Wikipedia says (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzylpiperazine):

BZP has been shown to have a mixed mechanism of action, acting on the serotonergic and dopaminergic receptor systems in a similar fashion to MDMA.[10] BZP has amphetamine-like actions on the serotonin reuptake transporter, which increase serotonin concentrations in the extracellular fluids surrounding the cell and thereby increasing activation of the surrounding serotonin receptors.

So it's bound to interfere with your SSRI. I say no, don't do it. Just drag your ass through the horrible stress of moving like everyone else. It'll be over soon enough. :badday:

[Shelli]

Ouch, yeah, after reading what liv posted, I have to agree with her.

[Petra]

Thanks for the info. :)

I'll look into it further. If I do go buy some, it will be tomorrow when the serious heavy lifting stuff starts. Remember, I'm not just moving my own house to another place - but all Lyn's stuff from her place and my sister's stuff, too. I'm moving 3 houses this week! Plus I have to clean all three places, as I want a good reference from here and all my bond money back, plus my sis is too busy bloody nearly rebuilding Lyn's place for her to move in to asap and so has told me that she won't have the time to clean before my stuff goes in. And I'm an untidy moose, but I'm also a clean freak if that makes sense.

I feel like I've barely begun, yet I also feel like I can go no further without some serious chemical help to give my muscles and drive that extra ooomph to complete the job on schedule.

My dad will be seriously pissed off if I can't lift my end of 3 fridge-freezers, for example! Yet right now. I feel weak as a kitten.

[Shelli]

My dad will be seriously pissed off if I can't lift my end of 3 fridge-freezers, for example! Yet right now. I feel weak as a kitten.So, on top of taking the chance of adverse interaction with the Prozac, there stands a good chance that you'll hurt yourself 'cause you'll be so pumped up that you won't feel or care about the pain that's meant to alert you that you're taking your body too far. It just doesn't sound like a good idea, Petra. :unnope:

[Petra]

Reading this article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,1665988,00.html) is making me think that I just might try it. But I will not take my Prozac on the couple of days that I use it. I might be a bit rollercoaster-y during the days that follow, but ....I dunno. I'm still at the will I or won't I stage...

Shit, I used to live on speed when I was a much younger, party animal gal. Without question. Weird that I'm now questioning. Perhaps even I grew up somewhere along the way, eh. (Heaven forbid!)

[Petra]

My dad will be seriously pissed off if I can't lift my end of 3 fridge-freezers, for example! Yet right now. I feel weak as a kitten.So, on top of taking the chance of adverse interaction with the Prozac, there stands a good chance that you'll hurt yourself 'cause you'll be so pumped up that you won't feel or care about the pain that's meant to alert you that you're taking your body too far. It just doesn't sound like a good idea, Petra. :unnope:


Hmmm. At 24, I wouldn't have given a shit. I was a hard living, hard partying, gym workouting, sleep deprived, maniac. I used to love taking my body too far!

But I'm not 24 anymore, dammit. :sadcheer:

[Shelli]

Do whatcha gotta do. :shrug:

[Petra]

I've never actually tried BZP (to my knowledge) - has anyone here tried it? I don't want ecstacy trippy, and I don't want full-on speedy - I just want help with my energy levels for a short period of time (2 - 3 days or so).

[Crumb]

Caffeine.

[Petra]

Caffeine ain't cuttin' it, Crumb. I've tried.

[Plant Woman]

Petra, Please do not go messing with the pills. Besides I have a feeling you will find the strength you need. Any friends you can enlist to help you moving day, or cleaning days? Tell your friends what is going on and see if they can help you. Just don't get on the pill-go-down.

I feel for you, I really do, having been a caretaker myself, I know it can be exhausting. The problem you will have after the speed, is the crash. You don't think you have enough energy now? Wait until you come down. Anyway you probably know this already. The best thing for you to do, is eat well, get as much rest as you can. Take care of yourself, because you have others who are depending on you to be there for them. PLUS! No one else is going to do it for you.

[Watser?]

Yeah, I was thinking of the crash too, it will be very nasty.

[Clutch Munny]

Is there some large dude you can pay $50 to carry the heavy stuff for you?

Your brain and psychological health are worth enough to make it worthwhile, IMO.

[livius drusus]

Reading this article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,1665988,00.html) is making me think that I just might try it. But I will not take my Prozac on the couple of days that I use it. I might be a bit rollercoaster-y during the days that follow, but ....I dunno. I'm still at the will I or won't I stage...
This is a crazy plan, Petra. Stopping Prozac "for a couple of days" is a bad idea even when there isn't another drug involved. People can have serious psychotic breaks and shit, and even if you don't have an extreme reaction, you're sure to have some kind of mood disturbance.

Then once the party is over and you still have tons of stuff to do (moving doesn't stop at the physical act of moving), what are you going to do when you're a dishrag who can't lift a finger? Who's going to help Lynne and Zoe settle down in the new place? Who's going to reestablish the routines and take care of the household because you're too strung out to do it? The 90 year old Alzheimer's patient or your 13 year old daughter?

Like PW and Clutch said, find some help. Heidi's there, isn't she? Have you told her your idea? Quit trying to artificially turn yourself into a 20 year old and actually go out and find a 20 year old to do the shit you can't do.

[LadyShea]

Don't do it Petra. You're stressed as is which dumps so many nasty hormones into your system, and on antidepressants. Do not fuck with your brain chemistry any more right now...you are likely to crash out afterwards and be useless to those counting on you, as livius mentioned.

[freemonkey]

Yes, instead of buying drugs, hire some big, strapping (shirtless) men you can supervise.

Seriously, Petra, you've been given some very compelling reasons no to do it.

[Petra]

Ok. You guys have convinced me. I won't do it.


I crashed last night at about 7pm. Got up for a wee while in the middle of the night, and then crashed again. So I've had lots of sleep now.

I can't get anyone but dad to help out, because the weekend is over. Had Andre been able to move on Saturday morning instead of Sunday evening, I would've had a better chance of more help - but come Monday, everyone else is back at school or at work. (I know far more people in Hamilton that are able to help out on a Monday, but none in Rotorua anymore.)

But it's ok - I'm strong and capable and now that I've had a good sleep in my own bed, I'll forget the party pills idea and continue as normal.


Thanks guys. Your concern means a lot to me.

Love you, too. :)

[livius drusus]

I can't express strongly enough how much I think you've made the right choice. Lift with your legs, eat and stay hydrated, and be sure to tell us how it went. :bigglomp:

[Shelli]

:phew: I'm so glad you decided not to take them and at the same time interrupt the Prozac, Petra. :hug:

[Petra]

Good thing I didn't take 'em, or I'd be out punching puppies and kicking kittens in pent up rage and frustration right now!

That fucking French queen, Andre, didn't leave us the keys and we can't find him.

So I'm back at home, Dad is back at his home, and we're wasting time waiting for Andre, who we've left messages for, but have yet to hear from.


I picked a bad - nay, terrible! - week to give up sniffing glue. :argh:


Fucking mincing French queen. If I didn't like his quince paste so much, I'd be compelled to kick his skinny white arse!

Unbelievable. Murphy's law to the max.

[livius drusus]

:france: :queen:
:powershakefist:

[Petra]

lol.

Damn straight.

[Petra]

Ok, clicked onto the main page, and this quote turned my frown around;

Shucks. I just want to do right by my charges.
~ The Lone Ranger ~


LOL. Who needs Party Pills when I've got you guys! :thankee:

[Shelli]

:hug:

[Watser?]

:cheerup:

[fragment]

That was the right call. Might have been OK, but mucking around with SSRI combos is potentially one of the messier ways to play with brain chemistry - and this wasn't even for fun!

Shame you're on the other island, I'd offer to help otherwise - even though I just got through moving myself a week ago. Glutton for punishment and all. Good luck!

[Petra]

Finally got the key at just after 4pm. Andre kept the key so he could clean the place after he'd finished work today. Silly bugger - I'd told him not to bother 'cos it was more important to have the key nice and early and get on with it than it was to wait for him to clean the place. But would he listen? Noooooo. Of course, by the time I got the key, I no longer had dad, as dad is a swimming coach and he had to spend a few hours at the pools after 3pm, when school gets out. And he flatly refused to help after he'd finished coaching, 'cos he's a semi-retired old fart now.

But at least we now definitely have the key, and I managed to get quite a bit of the smaller stuff across using my sis's big ol' Terrano.

Tomorrow is another day. And we have the keys, so hopefully that will be the end of all that can go wrong. :)


And thanks for the offer, fragment - I would've even bought you a dozen and cooked you dinner! (Well, bought pizza, anyway). :)

[Sock Puppet]

I'm 2 days late and a pep pill short, but I just wanted to say, good for you in avoiding that shit, Petra. In addition to the reasons already given, I have serious doubts that amphetamines would increase your physical strength, anyway. Any stimulants I've ever tried have increased my mental alertness, but generally just made me think I could do more physical stuff. When I actually tried to do things like run, or lift, I found that my muscles did not cooperate with what my brain was 100% certain they could do.

Stimulants suck, anyway. Better to push through the work until it's done and then go get plastered. :drunk3: