It's A Boy!

[Sycophant]

Or at least it will be when it's born in mid-May...

That's what the ultrasound technician guy told us and has "never been wrong in ten years of this".

So suggestions for boys names will now be accepted...

The following are already ruled out (ex-partners, close friends and other such things):
Matt
Ryan
James
Dylan (my name)
Thor (she thinks it's silly)
Dennis
Peter
Ezekiel (I like it, but she says no)
Trevor
Mervyn

[viscousmemories]

Congratulations. :)

No name suggestions, sorry. I don't like boys.

[seebs]

Congrads!

My current kick is names like Samuel or Patrick which can be abbreviated to androgyny, simply because I know too many people whose sex and gender don't match, and the ones with ambiguous names seem happier. Oh, and Jesse. Jesse's a great name. (My wife goes by "Jesse", spelled that way.)

I'm afraid I don't know enough about your beliefs or your wife's to suggest which names are particularly appropriate or inappropriate. I'm fond of middle names that were the first names of ancestors.

[Sycophant]

Congrads!

My current kick is names like Samuel or Patrick which can be abbreviated to androgyny, simply because I know too many people whose sex and gender don't match, and the ones with ambiguous names seem happier. Oh, and Jesse. Jesse's a great name. (My wife goes by "Jesse", spelled that way.)

I made a short film (http://www.nzshortfilm.com/film,1408.sm) with a lead character called Jessee so that probably rules that out, although I do like the name. Maybe more for a girl. I also liked Samantha for a girl.

I'm afraid I don't know enough about your beliefs or your wife's to suggest which names are particularly appropriate or inappropriate. I'm fond of middle names that were the first names of ancestors.

Yes, I see you are demonstrating your lack of awareness of my beliefs by assuming the mother is my wife! No, she is one of the female members of my cult, and was simply lucky enough to draw me as her inseminator when she came of age.

Actually, no, that's a lie. We are together in a de facto relationship at present, not in a cult. And we are both pretty much areligious.

I may look into the middle name thing. Find the family tree.

[freemonkey]

Congratulations! I don't really have any suggestions. But, Thor? You weren't seriously pushing that name, were you? :wtf:

[Sycophant]

Congratulations! I don't really have any suggestions. But, Thor? You weren't seriously pushing that name, were you? :wtf:

What, mock my name choices, MORTAL?!

[maddog]

Congratulations! Here's hoping all is well and healthy through to the little tyke's arrival.

I'm better at ruling boy names out than in. I'd recommend against "H" names -- they are mostly so wimpy-sounding: Howard, Harvey, Horatio, Herbert, Harold, Hector, Henry, Hubert . . . Hubert Horatio Humphrey, now THAT was an awful name!
Hal and Harry are fine; Hugh isn't too bad, but the lion's share of the "H" names just don't do much for me.

I like my brothers' names: Dave, Alan, and Jeff.

#164

eta: . . . Horace, Hiram, Homer . . . bleargh!

[Dingfod]

Well, Dweezle has already been done and I wouldn't recommend Muhammed or Saddam either. And for dog's sake, don't name him Conner, Dalton, Jace, Josh or Justin, there's fukken millions of em out there now.

How about...
Errol
Terence
Giles
Rudyard
Ajax
Dacian
Ellery
Fulton
Garett
Tycho
Reynold
Godfrey
~or~
~the~
~best~
~ever~
Warren

OK, the last one was meant as a joke. Do not, under any circumstance name your son Warren, lest he be called things such as Woron the Moron, or Warn, Worn, Juan, Walter, and worse.

[maddog]

Hmm. That reminds me. The "W" names don't fare so well (personal opinion, mind you!) either: Walter, Wilmer, Wilhelm, Winfred, Wiley, ...
#165

[ApostateAbe]

Warrenly suggested Tycho, and that sounds like a great choice to me. It should be something unique yet invulnerable to ridicule. The second best choice is Dylan 2.0.

Did you plan on getting your girlfriend pregnant? Why? You are in your twenties and you are not married.

[Dingfod]

The second best choice is Dylan 2.0.Or just spell it different, Dillon. I almost forgot one of my favorite D names, Dale.

[Petra]

I like Dominic, which can be shortened to Dom ( :wink: ), or Nicky. Or, if he likes babydoll dresses with white shoes and gloves, Minnie.

:yup:

[Sycophant]

Warrenly suggested Tycho, and that sounds like a great choice to me. It should be something unique yet invulnerable to ridicule. The second best choice is Dylan 2.0.

I quite like Tycho actually. I'll suggest it...

Did you plan on getting your girlfriend pregnant? Why? You are in your twenties and you are not married.

Nope it was not planned.

We are not calling it an accident however, but either unscheduled or unanticipated.

[livius drusus]

You'd better keep a few girls' names in reserve just in case. Problem of induction, donchaknow. ;)

Congratulations, Sychophant and lady. :storkboy:

[Ymir's blood]

OK, the last one was meant as a joke. Do not, under any circumstance name your son Warren, lest he be called things such as Woron the Moron, or Warn, Worn, Juan, Walter, and worse.
/me takes notes.

Congratulations, Sycophant.

[wildernesse]

Congratulations!

My little cousin's name is Zane, and I think that's neat.

As for being in your twenties and having a baby, I don't think that's all that unusual. I'm only about six months older than Sycophant--and if I had majored in something that would give me a job with good pay and benefits I'd probably have a kid by now. Scary to think of, but true. I have a friend from high school our age who is on her fourth. Also scary but true.

[Farren]

Congrats!

Oh, and my name suggestion is Liam.

[Roland98]

Congrats Sychophant!

I'm fond of middle names that were the first names of ancestors.

My son has something like that. His middle name is Wright, which was the last name of my great-great grandmother, and is my grandpa's middle name as well. He was born 2 days away from my grandpa's birthday as well. So may want to consider a last name too if you're thinking along those lines.

Names...I really like Carter, but alas have a cousin named that. In fact, we had to rule out about 90% of the names we liked because we had a friend or (more often) a relative with that name (both of us have huge, huge families). So we ended up with Zavier, Zav or just Z for short.

Nope it was not planned.

We are not calling it an accident however, but either unscheduled or unanticipated.

Mine too. We'd been married 3 months and I was on OC and had just been accepted to grad school...surprise! Now I'm 28 with a 5-yr-old and an (almost) 3-yr-old. Of course, around here, this is pretty normal; most of my friends from high school have at least 2 or more kids.

[ApostateAbe]

We are not calling it an accident however, but either unscheduled or unanticipated.I don't like the dishonesty and doubletalk that surrounds discussions of pregnancy and marriage. For that reason, I don't congratulate about such events if I don't really mean it (and I think both events are most often huge mistakes).

Let's get to the truth. Your girlfriend is having this child because either she or you or both want it. If neither of you wanted it, then she would have had an abortion. It wasn't unplanned and unexpected. Either you made the conscious decision to not use a condom or she made the conscious decision to skip her birth control. Neither of you could have been blithely unaware of the consequences. So who made the decision?

[livius drusus]

Birth control fails all on its own sometimes, Abe, and people make mistakes (putting on a condom wrong, forgetting to take the pill for a few days, bad diaphragm placement, etc.). Why assume a conscious decision was involved?

[LadyShea]

I like family names, especially some surnames for boys. My friend named her son Brooks which is her mothers maiden name. I always wanted to do the same thing with my mom's maiden name, Griffin.

We are looking at adoption, and if we get a girl are considering different versions of our mothers names (Kathleen and Sandra). Kathleen is derived from Catherine, Sandra a feminine derivative of Alexander, so there are dozens of other versions of these names to play around with.

Dylan means "sea", there are many names that mean sea or ocean so perhaps you can look at those. A big trend in names today is choosing names that were popular about 100 years ago, so you could look at your genealogy and see if there is anything of interest.

Congrats, and best wishes to you and your family :)

[ApostateAbe]

Birth control fails all on its own sometimes, Abe, and people make mistakes (putting on a condom wrong, forgetting to take the pill for a few days, bad diaphragm placement, etc.). Why assume a conscious decision was involved?I'll talk about this with Sycophant.

[livius drusus]

I was speaking to the general issue of your assumptions, not to the specifics of Sycophant's situation which is entirely none of my business and none of yours either.

[Petra]

Birth control fails all on its own sometimes, Abe, and people make mistakes (putting on a condom wrong, forgetting to take the pill for a few days, bad diaphragm placement, etc.). Why assume a conscious decision was involved?I'll talk about this with Sycophant.

Why not with anyone else, too?

Zoe was born because I was prescribed a strong antibiotic for a case of cystitis and it interferred with the *mini* pill. I booked an abortion after becoming pregnant, but didn't go through with it. The only conscious decision I made was not walking through the abortion clinic doors.

I think you assume too much.

[Petra]

I was speaking to the general issue of your assumptions, not to the specifics of Sycophant's situation which is entirely none of my business and none of yours either.

Yeah, really!

[livius drusus]

Fixed. :)


Heifah. :bull:

[Petra]

Heifah. :bull:


:giggle:

[Ymir's blood]

Fixed. :)


Heifah. :bull:
But if you hadn't made a post saying it was fixed, I'd have never have gone back and noticed what needed fixing...

:popcorn:

[livius drusus]

Oh hesh up, you. Or at least say something about Miniphant instead. :pokes:

[wildernesse]

Birth control fails all on its own sometimes, Abe, and people make mistakes (putting on a condom wrong, forgetting to take the pill for a few days, bad diaphragm placement, etc.). Why assume a conscious decision was involved?I'll talk about this with Sycophant.

If you just wanted to talk about this w/ Sycophant, you probably wouldn't be doing in it in public--where the rest of us can read and comment. Your "dealing with the truth" just draws attention to yourself and away from the announcement of something/one exciting in Sycophant's life. If you want to continue this line of questioning, you should take it to a new thread and see if anyone cares what you think.

[Sycophant]

Let's get to the truth. Your girlfriend is having this child because either she or you or both want it. If neither of you wanted it, then she would have had an abortion. It wasn't unplanned and unexpected. Either you made the conscious decision to not use a condom or she made the conscious decision to skip her birth control. Neither of you could have been blithely unaware of the consequences. So who made the decision?

Neither of us made any conscious decision to skip anything. She was using an oral contraceptive, as we have done throughout our relationship. However apparently we managed to find the small failure rate.

Like I said. Not an accident as such, but unexpected. Neither of us were expecting the occurance, but upon being faced with the new discovery we both decided that we a) wanted it, anb b) could afford to support it.

We certainly weren't just romping around and throwning caution to the wind. Contraceptives of all types do have a failure rate, and some of us find ourselves within that small statistical reality. To underscore what the abstainers like to point out, the only safe sex is no sex.

[Roland98]

Contraceptives of all types do have a failure rate, and some of us find ourselves within that small statistical reality.

Exactly. Personally, I've always been neurotic about taking my pills--I've never missed one, and take them within ~a half-hour of the same time every day. For whatever reason, a bad batch, a drug interaction, or just an awfully determined egg, it didn't work. And we were newlyweds, so contraceptive failure + lots of sex = pregnancy for us. And sure, at that point we made the choice to have the baby rather than abort, but that doesn't mean we made a conscious decision to have children at that stage prior to my becoming pregnant. We'd both figured taking a few years to ourselves first. As Sycophant points out, nothing (short of removal of sexual organs) is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. Hell, my MIL got pregnant 7 years after having her tubes tied.

[AspenMama]

How about....drum roll please.... Avery?

[Dingfod]

OK, the last one was meant as a joke. Do not, under any circumstance name your son Warren, lest he be called things such as Woron the Moron, or Warn, Worn, Juan, Walter, and worse.
* Ymir's blood takes notes.Worse? Worm. I had a boss that nicknamed me Worm Beezer, a play on my first and last name. I actually thought about using that as a screenname when I joined IIDB. You may call me the lowly Worm, if you desire. You may call me anything you want, just don't call me late for dinner.

[Dingfod]

My little cousin's name is Zane, and I think that's neat.I worked for a man once who's first name was Zang, or at least that's what I heard him say. He was white Anglo-Saxon. In fact, I think his last name was White.

[RevDahlia]

Congratulations on the munchkin, Sycophant. His arrival may have been unannounced (jeez, that sounds like he's a backpacker you met in Prague two years ago who just turned up on your doorstep, doesn't it) but it looks like you and GF will be greeting him with all due excitement and joy, which is as it should be.

One thing though... please, please, please don't name this child anything outlandish. Please. No names of popular TV characters, nothing with superfluous Ys or Ns, nothing that sounds Celtic but is actually made up. He will thank you for it later, when he's going to school with Brooklynn, Keegyn, Xander, Willow and Madison B, Madison L and Madison F. It's none of my business really and you don't know me from Adam, but I promise you'll be doing him a favor. How about Henry or George or William?

(On the contraceptive-failure tip... before I discovered the wonder that is NuvaRing, I was outrageously anal about my pills. I had, like, six alarms stashed about my person to remind me to take them. When I got mugged and my purse was stolen, the first thing I did -- before canceling my credit cards, even -- was arrange to get my prescription refilled. And some time later I was prescribed antibiotics for a gum infection, which my doctor failed to tell me would compromise my birth control. Voila, pregnant. These things happen.)

[Sweetie]

Honestly, I don't believe the 99% effective thing, I know a few too many people who got pregnant while taking birth control pills.

Anyways, congrats!

I actually hadn't wanted any children but alas, it is the nature of the case, once you have them your perspective changes. It's one of those things, you can't imagine exactly why people like it so much well, until it happens to you and then you can't imagine it being any other way. When faced with it you're like, people choose not to have children? :chin:

Boys names:

I like Trevelyn, Taryn, Jeremiah.

Taryn is boy/girl name but honestly, I think it suits girls more. If my last child would've been a girl her name would have been Taryn.

[Sycophant]

Congratulations on the munchkin, Sycophant. His arrival may have been unannounced (jeez, that sounds like he's a backpacker you met in Prague two years ago who just turned up on your doorstep, doesn't it) but it looks like you and GF will be greeting him with all due excitement and joy, which is as it should be.

Wow, funny you should mention that. My girlfriend is a backpacker I met in Prague, she just turned up at my house a year or so later, and we have been together ever since.

Oh no, that's a lie again. I am terrible.

One thing though... please, please, please don't name this child anything outlandish. Please. No names of popular TV characters, nothing with superfluous Ys or Ns, nothing that sounds Celtic but is actually made up. He will thank you for it later, when he's going to school with Brooklynn, Keegyn, Xander, Willow and Madison B, Madison L and Madison F. It's none of my business really and you don't know me from Adam, but I promise you'll be doing him a favor. How about Henry or George or William?

My name is Dylan, I was about 12 when Beverly Hills 90210 peaked in popularity. My life was made hell by it, but the worst aspect was when I was out and about a couple of years later, when I would very often hear someone screaming "DYLAN!" only to turn around and see some young mother hauling her blonde-haired kid away from the street's edge.

It won't be named after it's place of conception (Auckland or CBD are not good names, and even Newton isn't that good). Nothing crazy like plant names or anything. And as much as I would like to name him after like some equipment I work with or something, I don't think "Avid" or "Grass Valley" make good names.

I like the simple names, George and William are okay. But I'm not sure. It's very hard to come up with anything that seems right.

It's funny, I've always wanted to get a tattoo but I've never done so, because I can't come up with anything I think expresses me, or that I can picture having etched on my skin forever. And now, I am expected (or we are, I'm sure whatever name I like will be overruled) to choose a name for another person - something so central to his future identity and sense of self. I really don't want to fuck that up.

(On the contraceptive-failure tip... before I discovered the wonder that is NuvaRing, I was outrageously anal about my pills. I had, like, six alarms stashed about my person to remind me to take them. When I got mugged and my purse was stolen, the first thing I did -- before canceling my credit cards, even -- was arrange to get my prescription refilled. And some time later I was prescribed antibiotics for a gum infection, which my doctor failed to tell me would compromise my birth control. Voila, pregnant. These things happen.)

NuvaRing? I will Google it.

It's funny in this case it seems to have been a plain old failure, no medications, no failure to take the pill, no sickness, no dodgy foods... It just didn't work.

And I see rates that state it's 99% effective, or whatever. The question becomes 99% of what?

[Sweetie]

Oh! If no one has mentioned the name David, then I will! David is a beautiful name, I just love it.

[Sycophant]

Honestly, I don't believe the 99% effective thing, I know a few too many people who got pregnant while taking birth control pills.

Anyways, congrats!

I actually hadn't wanted any children but alas, it is the nature of the case, once you have them your perspective changes. It's one of those things, you can't imagine exactly why people like it so much well, until it happens to you and then you can't imagine it being any other way. When faced with it you're like, people choose not to have children? :chin:

So people keep telling me.. I'll wait and see. One of our first thoughts when we found out that it was a boy was "oh no, it has the sprinkler attachment!"
Boys names:

I like Trevelyn, Taryn, Jeremiah.

Taryn is boy/girl name but honestly, I think it suits girls more. If my last child would've been a girl her name would have been Taryn.

Trevelyn is a bit odd. Jeremiah isn't bad, nice and easily shortened to Jeremy or Jerry. As for Taryn -- I know a Taryn, and he constantly tries to convince us that it's a boys name, but we will never believe him.

[Sweetie]

Oh, oh, oh! Elliot, loved that name, had a guy in my class with that name, wickedly smart but the name is kinda ruined for me now because there's a kid show, "Elliot moose.....is on the loose.....Elliot moose....is on the loose......Elliot moose is on the loose!" Ugh!

Ok, ok, I'll stop now. :doh: Can you tell I want more children? :P

[Sycophant]

Oh, oh, oh! Elliot, loved that name, had a guy in my class with that name, wickedly smart but the name is kinda ruined for me now because there's a kid show, "Elliot moose.....is on the loose.....Elliot moose....is on the loose......Elliot moose is on the loose!" Ugh!

Ok, ok, I'll stop now. :doh: Can you tell I want more children? :P

I quite like Elliot, I know a couple of Elliots, but not well enough that you get that awkward named-it-after-them thing...

Unfortunately thoughout the pregnancy this far (23 weeks) my partner has suffered severe hyperemesis (http://www.hyperemesis.org/) which has made the pregnancy very difficult for her and resulted in quite significant weight loss. So although I know she had always wanted more than one kid, given the physical torture that this has been for her so far, it doesn't seem like something we would be considering anytime soon.

[CARLA]

:baby2: CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW BABY..

May you have a beautiful healthy boy.. All your names are great.!!

My dads name was: ANDREW WILLIAM BUCHANAN YOUNG. CALLED HIM MOOSE FOR SHORT.. :elk:

I prefer the biblical names: Mark, Matthew, Andrew, William, Adam,and James always work, and are powerful male names. I know there are many more just can't think of them.. :doh:

[Sweetie]

I don't know man, I went to the Post Office a few months ago and for some reason I thought I had my eldest with me. I was looking around, well, where did she go? Then it hit me, oh she was at a friends or something but then it struck me really hard, like a rock. What am I missing if I don't have more children? The same thing I missed when my daughter wasn't there and I thought she was supposed to be. Just, more......more of everything. More vitality around me, more love, more life, another person to know, that's all I'm missing,not time, not energy, not money. :sadcheer: How can you miss what isn't there? Well, I don't know how, I just know it can be done. :P

[RevDahlia]

I like the simple names, George and William are okay. But I'm not sure. It's very hard to come up with anything that seems right.
William is great because it lends itself to several good nicknames. A William can be a Billy or a Will or even a Liam. It's versatile.

NuvaRing? I will Google it.
NuvaRing is the shit. It's a soft plastic ring that is inserted kinda like a diaphragm; it stays in place for three weeks, then is removed for a week (to serve the same purpose as the week of placebos with the Pill.) It releases a steady, low dosage of the same hormones as the Pill has, but since it is distributed so locally it causes almost none of the nasty side effects. It is reputed to be as effectove as the Pill -- probably more so, because one doesn't have to remember to take one's pill at the same time every day.

When I was on the Pill I was a moody, nauseated, migraine-y space cadet with no libido. I've experienced none of those side effects with the ring -- in fact, I was worried it wasn't working at all, just because it didn't make me barfy or nuts. It did make me gain a little weight, maybe eight or ten pounds, but I'm a pretty gristly and lanky scrap of humanity so I don't mind. Besides I seemed to gain most of the weight in my tits. Went from a small C to a largish D. My husband was furious about that one, lemme tell you.

YMMV, of course, but I know lots of girls on NuvaRing and they love it just as much as I do.

[livius drusus]

Okay don't everyone laugh at once, but how about Marcus? I think it sounds all Roman infantry and badass.

[RevDahlia]

Okay don't everyone laugh at once, but how about Marcus? I think it sounds all Roman infantry and badass.
Marcus is awesome. It's a classic, very masculine and original without being trendy. (Disclaimer: my favorite uncle is named Marcus.)

[livius drusus]

Outstanding. I am not alone. :woohoo:

[Blake]

You should clearly name him "Blake." ;) Worked for me!

Seriously, maybe some of my experience will be relevant to your concern about picking the wrong name. My parents gave me two names (besides the family name, that is), then called me by a shortened version of my middle name. It has caused some confusion over the years, but on the other hand, I've always had options if I felt anything approaching an identity crisis or a need to reinvent myself. And the confusion has been helpful sometimes; when someone calls and uses my first name, I know I probably want to hang up on them right away.

[wade-w]

Hmm. That reminds me. The "W" names don't fare so well (personal opinion, mind you!) either: Walter, Wilmer, Wilhelm, Winfred, Wiley, ...
#165

Since all three of my names begin with W, I am having a lot of trouble not being offended by this.

[viscousmemories]

Not that it means anything, but I don't think I've ever met a white Marcus. Another thought is that you could give him whatever funky name you want with a 'normal' middle name, then just call him by the middle name and let him use the funky name later if he so chooses.

It's funny, I've always wanted to get a tattoo but I've never done so, because I can't come up with anything I think expresses me, or that I can picture having etched on my skin forever.
Me too! I made the decision to get a tattoo when I was about 20. I'm 36 and I still haven't figured out what to get and where to get it (or them).

And now, I am expected (or we are, I'm sure whatever name I like will be overruled) to choose a name for another person - something so central to his future identity and sense of self. I really don't want to fuck that up.
I've been agitated for years by the fact that for no good reason I can think of I go around using a name assigned me by people who didn't even know me. It has to be done, though. Can't have him going to school without a name. :)

[Brimshack]

Congrats Syc!

My suggestion would be Macaponteé Shygicknøster.

My alternative suggestion would be that you never take advice from me on this or any other subject.

[viscousmemories]

Hmm. That reminds me. The "W" names don't fare so well (personal opinion, mind you!) either: Walter, Wilmer, Wilhelm, Winfred, Wiley, ...
#165

Since all three of my names begin with W, I am having a lot of trouble not being offended by this.
Hey Walt Whitman didn't do so badly. Or Woger Wabbit. :)

[Brimshack]

Welease Wodger!!!!

[Dingfod]

Yeah, Wade. But, you got a cool W name. Beats the living shit out of Warren.

[ApostateAbe]

Sycophant, how can you want a child when you are young and unmarried? If you wanted a child before the pregnancy, then you wouldn't have bothered with contraceptives. You must have changed your mind after your girlfriend got pregnant. What brought about the change?

[Dingfod]

What's married got to do with it? A piece of paper does not make a father or a husband out of a man. There just isn't much stigma attached to parents being married or unmarried these days, much the better as far as I'm concerned. Or, is your concern about last names?

[ApostateAbe]

What's married got to do with it? A piece of paper does not make a father or a husband out of a man. There just isn't much stigma attached to parents being married or unmarried these days, much the better as far as I'm concerned. Or, is your concern about last names?I don't wish to make a debate out of it in this thread, but I believe that two parents tied together by a binding legal contract is the best thing for a child. If you disagree, then please discuss it with me elsewhere.

[Sycophant]

Sycophant, how can you want a child when you are young and unmarried? If you wanted a child before the pregnancy, then you wouldn't have bothered with contraceptives. You must have changed your mind after your girlfriend got pregnant. What brought about the change?

Well the married thing doesn't mean diddly too me in that respect, as in it wouldn't affect my feelings with regard to the child. We probably will get married, but it's not a major concern for us at this point. We are commited to our relationship, and while a marriage is a good recognition of that, it isn't required to provide any sense of stability. Besides the legal burden of a divorce, it certainly doesn't add any level of security to the relationship - that comes from us, regardless of the legal state of our relationship.

We didn't change our mind as such, but we accepted an unexpected acceleration of an already generally planned event.

So, you are right in a sense that we didn't want a child specifically at this time, hence birth control, however presented with the situation that arose we both decided that we were very happy to take this in our stride, and the further through we get, the less it becomes and acceptance and the more it becomes a serious desire.

So to directly answer your question -- what brought about the change was the pregnancy.

[viscousmemories]

I don't wish to make a debate out of it in this thread, but I believe that two parents tied together by a binding legal contract is the best thing for a child. If you disagree, then please discuss it with me elsewhere.
You said early on you only wanted to discuss this with Sycophant. Why don't you PM him?

[Sycophant]

I don't wish to make a debate out of it in this thread, but I believe that two parents tied together by a binding legal contract is the best thing for a child. If you disagree, then please discuss it with me elsewhere.
You said early on you only wanted to discuss this with Sycophant. Why don't you PM him?

I'm happy to discuss this here. If nothing else it helps me crystalise these thoughts for myself and respond in a rational way, rather than replying with a simple get fucked that might if someone were to hit me with this in a PM.

I am not offended by Abe's questioning. I am a little surprised, but I certainly don't have any problem with my situation so it doesn't bother me. And I've appreciated Abes input on many subjects in the past, and I am sure we share some common ideas, so I am willing to hear him out.

[LadyShea]

For the record, marriage is a bit more than a piece of paper. You might want to consider the legal rights and responsibilites regarding married versus unmarried. Things like hospital visitations don't seem like much until you're barred from the room by an assholish, legal "next of kin".

Also, please write a will ASAP with your wishes for custody of your son should something happen to both you and his mother. Some of the nastiest and most damaging custody battles I have heard about were not between the parents, but rival family members after the parents untimely deaths.

[Sycophant]

For the record, marriage is a bit more than a piece of paper. You might want to consider the legal rights and responsibilites regarding married versus unmarried. Things like hospital visitations don't seem like much until you're barred from the room by an assholish, legal "next of kin".

Also, please write a will ASAP with your wishes for custody of your son should something happen to both you and his mother. Some of the nastiest and most damaging custody battles I have heard about were not between the parents, but rival family members after the parents untimely deaths.

I do realise that.

New Zealand is interesting in that is extends a lot of rights to domestic partners in de facto relationships. These include property rights as well as next of kin rights and so on.

As for a will, it is something I have considered. And I am even planning (this is hard) to probably get rid of my motorbike.

[LadyShea]

Oops, forgot to check location. I do realize that not all countries are as stupid as the US. :)

[viscousmemories]

I'm happy to discuss this here. If nothing else it helps me crystalise these thoughts for myself and respond in a rational way, rather than replying with a simple get fucked that might if someone were to hit me with this in a PM.
Fair enough. :)

Well for what it's worth I was adamantly opposed to the idea of young people getting married and/or having kids when I was in my 20's, but I've since changed my mind about that. As far as I'm concerned now going the family route is as reasonable a life choice as any other. I squandered my youth on partying and general mischief and I assure you I'm no better for it.

[maddog]

Well, Wade, perhaps you were lucky and got the three "good" W names. OTOH, perhaps I'm full of malarkey. After all, "What's in a name?" :flirt:

Oh, and vm, you said: "Not that it means anything, but I don't think I've never [sic: ever] met a white Marcus." One of the greatest human beings it's ever been my pleasure to know, bar none, is/was Marcus M. Kaufman. Brilliant mind, great jurist, intellectual independent, and really down-to-earth. One of his favorite jokes on himself was "I'm just a redneck with a high I.Q." Marcus is a great name. But I'm not biased or anything.

eta: vm: I know that how one feels about one's own name is really deep and really personal (I have such a virulent dislike of one of my names that, now that both my parents are dead, I'm legally changing it), but I happen to like your given name (Tom) for both boys and men. Perhaps you think it's too common, but it's short, masculine, and has a comfortable, sensible, and even authoritative ring to it, in most of the forms I've ever seen the name. In fact, I even like the name in part because you're one of the "Tom's" I actually know.

#168

[maddog]

Hmm, back to business.
Other suggestions:

Douglas
Frank (not Francis)
Curt or Kurt
Malcolm
Seamus
Arthur
Brian
Kenneth or Kent
Raymond
Joel
Micah
Stephen

or perhaps,


"Bill, or George! . . . anything but Sue!!"

#169

[ceptimus]

Give him lots of names, and he can choose the one he likes.

I suggest Harry Barry Larry Gary Cary Lastname.

[viscousmemories]

Perhaps you think it's too common, but it's short, masculine, and has a comfortable, sensible, and even authoritative ring to it, in most of the forms I've ever seen the name. In fact, I even like the name in part because you're one of the "Tom's" I actually know.
But my real name is Hank!

Just kidding. Thanks. :)

[Goliath]

Regardless of gender, you should name your child First of 1. Then, if you have another child, you can rename the first child to be First of 2, and the second Second of 2, etc.

:borg: :assimilate:

:D

[Roland98]

I don't wish to make a debate out of it in this thread, but I believe that two parents tied together by a binding legal contract is the best thing for a child. If you disagree, then please discuss it with me elsewhere.


http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=33716#post33716

[maddog]

Regardless of gender, you should name your child First of 1. Then, if you have another child, you can rename the first child to be First of 2, and the second Second of 2, etc.

:borg: :assimilate:

:D
:biglaugh: :roflmao:
#170

[Sycophant]

Regardless of gender, you should name your child First of 1. Then, if you have another child, you can rename the first child to be First of 2, and the second Second of 2, etc.

:borg: :assimilate:

:D

You know, it is very unlikely I will ever get as far as 7 of nine is that's what you are hoping for. So I think I will stick with more traditional ideas.

[Petra]

You know, it is very unlikely I will ever get as far as 7 of nine is that's what you are hoping for. So I think I will stick with more traditional ideas.

No home cricket team, then?

[livius drusus]

I thought of another boy's name I just love: Galen. It's got a great history, sounds really cool and is rare without being contrived.

[Lauri D]

Ooh, gotta throw in a vote for Elliott. I decided long ago that in the unlikely event that I bear a male child, he shall be called Elliott.

(My dad/grandfather's middle name. Just always loved it).

Also, I like:

Dean
Ryan
Troy
Jared
Alexander (Alex)

Marcus is pretty damn cool, too.

[viscousmemories]

Elllllllliooooot.... phooooone hoooooome. :alien:

[Sycophant]

Ooh, gotta throw in a vote for Elliott. I decided long ago that in the unlikely event that I bear a male child, he shall be called Elliott.

(My dad/grandfather's middle name. Just always loved it).


Yeah, I like Elliot as a name too, but I think my dearest beloved nixed it, can't remember why.


Also, I like:

Dean -- No. Partner's ex's name.
Ryan -- No. Zoot's realname.
Troy -- No. Name of a cousin of mine.
Jared -- No. Name of a cousin of hers.
Alexander (Alex) -- Maybe...

Marcus is pretty damn cool, too.

I like Marcus, and we also like Lucas as a name too.