What are your fetishes?

[Token Effort]

Go ahead, don't be afraid :).

[livius drusus]

I'll start off in pedant mode and point out that I think officially a fetish is something you require in order to get off, not just something slightly kinky you dig.

Having said that, I have a serious thing for noses, specifically big, bumpy, bony ones. I may be able to find a person with a wee button nose technically pretty/handsome, but unless they've got a nose that means business, I won't find them sexually appealing in the least.

[seebs]

Well, if we're going to be pedantic, I don't think I have any.

[livius drusus]

That just means you're a well-rounded pervert.

[seebs]

That just means you're a well-rounded pervert.

Heh. Nah, I'm okay with very vanilla sex. I have a smallish collection of mild kinks, but no real fetishes.

I suppose you could argue that I have a girl-bodies fetish; I appear to be biologically as close to completely straight as people get. Note that this appears to apply entirely to sex, not gender; I don't care whether people are feminine or not, I'm just only physically responsive to adult female bodies.

[Token Effort]

What are you saying seebs- that you've never experimented with anything from the cutlery drawer?

[seebs]

What are you saying seebs- that you've never experimented with anything from the cutlery drawer?

I was just saying there's nothing in particular (except arguably girl bodies) that I need to get off. (Well, obviously, I don't really need them, but I like to think about 'em, and boy bodies aren't interesting to me.)

[lady cop]

well i kind of like cuffs :cuffs: and leather gunbelts, BDU's, combat boots, our SWAT team :copter: , and weapons :assault: and fast cruisers :sirens: and my baby's accent :unitedkingdom: most of all. :hearts:

[Adora]

Go ahead, don't be afraid :).
*snort* Haha sure.

[Token Effort]

A fetish isn't a requirement, it's a conceptual manifestation of a hypothetically ideal situation; most men will get off in anything warm and squishy (I read somewhere that some men put vaseline in a baggy, stick it between 2 cushions and go at it with their couch).

I mean, the ideal situation, not the bare minium required, is where the "fetishes" are, IMO.

[livius drusus]

Well, that vaseline baggy thing sounds kinda hot.

[CARLA]

:chin: Hummmmm... I'm still thinking.. Hummmmm.. still thinking.. :chin: Well have to get back to you on this one.. :giggle: :giggle:

[seebs]

I mean, the ideal situation, not the bare minium required, is where the "fetishes" are, IMO.

Hmm. That would take some thinking. Mostly, I like tying people down. Or chaining them down, or cuffing them to something.

[Goliath]

Well, that vaseline baggy thing sounds kinda hot.

Yeah, but I'd be concerned with...excessive friction from the rough, ridgy part of the bag where the seal is usually formed (assuming that we're talking about ziploc bags).

[Adora]

A fetish isn't a requirement...
By definition, it is. Since the sexual attraction is to the fetishised object (be it part of the partners body or something seperate from it) it becomes a required part of the sexual ritual to achieve pleasure.

Maybe you're actually asking what people's turn-ons, kinks or fantasies are, if you're asking about ideal concepts. These are not always requirements, but can become fetishised in some people.

[Token Effort]

A fetish isn't a requirement...
By definition, it is. Since the sexual attraction is to the fetishised object (be it part of the partners body or something seperate from it) it becomes a required part of the sexual ritual to achieve pleasure.

Perhaps that is so by the dictionary, but spoken language always precedes written language, and I believe that in common usage a "fetish" entails an in-depth fantasy as opposed to a "requirement" as it has been put.

However, I agree, semantics will always remain an effective method by which to avoid a question ;).

[godfry n. glad]

However, I agree, semantics will always remain an effective method by which to avoid a question ;).

Or, clarify it, as the case may be.

godfry

....and...plastic bags? Are you guys kidding? Yeeeech! Warm apple pie is much better. :lecher:

[Adora]

Perhaps that is so by the dictionary, but spoken language always precedes written language, and I believe that in common usage a "fetish" entails an in-depth fantasy as opposed to a "requirement" as it has been put.
Not in any conversations I've ever had on the matter. A fetish has always been that which is required as a fetishised sexual object/act. Spanking fetish. Leather fetish. Rubber fetish. Labia fetish. Foot fetish. All of these specify the object/act that is fetishised and required in the sex act for the person to achieve some kind of pleasure.

Your definition - "ideal situations" - are more like fantasies or kinks, ie- things that are not required, but are strongly desired, or happily used for stimulation in the act.

[Token Effort]

^ Ok then. It's a good thing we now know what the question is so we can answer it :P.

[Adora]

No, we still don't. Are you asking for fetishes or fantasies or kinks?

[Token Effort]

^ Do you try to be difficult? I told you what I meant by the term fetish at the time I asked the question (and for all time leading up to that point ;)); the fact that you corrected me afterwards has no bearing on the intent of the question. What I (and everybody I know) call a "fetish" you call a "kink"; perhaps my generation is where the seemingly new incarnation of the meaning has appeared, which could explain the misunderstanding.

To summarise, I suppose I'm asking about ideal fantasies and/or obscure kinks.

Also, thank you, this has been a most interesting discussion :).

[livius drusus]

He he... I'm pretty sure you and Adora are in the same generation. She just knows her shit when it comes to sexuality issues is all. Which isn't to say she's got a scat thing going on. Necessarily. As far as I know. Not that there'd be anything wrong with that if she did. Okay going now. :tiptoe:

[LadyShea]

Token Effort, your use of fetish is not the same as my understanding of it, either. Perhaps it's generational, or maybe regional, or maybe you and your friends have misunderstood it. I have always considered "fetish" to be when one is sexually aroused by a non-sexual body part or object. Also, 'fetish' usually carries a negative connotation of being an unhealthy fixation on or need for said body part or object in order to be aroused.

Anyways, I do not have any fetishes, nor do I really have any kinks.

[Sweetie]

My understanding of fetish is kind of a mixture of some of the previous definitions. To have a fetish is to have a special interest in something specific as it pertains to sex, body parts mostly ie: feet, but it is not a requirement to have sex.

But you're what? 14 or 16 years old? Smart guy. :wink:

[godfry n. glad]

My understanding is that of Adora. I've heard the usage here used by Token Effect quite a lot, and know it to be incorrect. I have no fetishes under the technical definition. I don't know that I have kinks, but I do have some consistent fantasies regarding thigh-high stockings and simultaneous multiple female partners, but I think of them as fairly standard male sexual fantasies.

[seebs]

This is probably a word being corrupted by casual use by people who picked it up from context. Which I find SEXYI! <-- kidding. Actually it's a turnoff.

[Sweetie]

This is probably a word being corrupted by casual use by people who picked it up from context. Which I find SEXYI! <-- kidding. Actually it's a turnoff.

:examine:

Not a fetish. :order:

:P

Well, :chin: , maybe:

1. Something, such as an object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification.
2. An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment.

I'm thinking both/and, note the word "may". :wink:

Then:

: an object or bodily part whose real or fantasized presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression

So they're both right.

[Dingfod]

Are you guys kidding? Yeeeech! Warm apple pie is much better. :lecher:By the time I get done with the foreplay, there ain't no damn apple pie left to fuck.

[Sweetie]

By the time I get done with the foreplay, there ain't no damn apple pie left to fuck.

:D

[Dingfod]

If a fetish is something that gets me off, I'd say normal heterosexual sex is sufficient. If it is what turns me on or keeps me hot (read: hard), then toss in a few fantasy threesomes (both ways), they work. In the past, in my younger years, sex in public places was a big turnon for me, or even masturbation. I think it still would be, but everyone seems to have lost their sense of humor about that sort of thing these days, too much risk of being prosecuted.

[Sweetie]

I don't have any fetishes under that definition, normal foreplay/sex is good enough, I don't need anything other than that to enjoy.

However, I do like a challenge so if there's a basic base attraction which is hard for me to find and then they can figure out my game, want to play and can possibly beat me at it, well then, game on. In that sense normal is good enough, sometimes even great, but that would be greatest.

So a bit of a challenge/conflict/power struggle but not on the physical plane, only where the mental plane touches the physical plane as far as power goes, ie: I can make you want me even though you don't want to, type of thing.

I'm pretty easy as far as the physical aspects of it goes: time, place, with or without onlookers, certain body parts, whips/chains<--- no thank-you (though I can be somewhat sadistic but that's just because I'm impassive, not because it's pleasurable), different variations of those things wouldn't make the experience better and could make it worse.

If I like the thought of a threesome that's only because I like to be kept busy, :wink: but a good game between two trumps anything else, it's like a heightened sensory thing in my mind, it operates on a different level and if it's uncontrollable well then, that's even better for someone who usually has everything under control.

[Adora]

Do you try to be difficult?
If you'd bother to read some of the archives around here, you'd already know the answer to this question.

What I (and everybody I know) call a "fetish" you call a "kink"; perhaps my generation is where the seemingly new incarnation of the meaning has appeared, which could explain the misunderstanding.
Or maybe you don't move in circles which require the proper useage of the terms.

To summarise, I suppose I'm asking about ideal fantasies and/or obscure kinks.
And still, if this was the last site left on the internet, you'd never convince me to post them here.

[Blake]

Go ahead, don't be afraid :).
Lead by example ....

[Johnny Pneumatic]

By the dictionary I have no fetishes. However I like nude catgirl(adult catgirls, I mean they are drawn as adults not that they are hard core porn) art.

[Token Effort]

If you'd bother to read some of the archives around here, you'd already know the answer to this question.

Naturally, a prerequisite to joining a forum and asking a question is to go through the archives of said forum to see if the question has already been answered, because it would take a substantial chunk out of your day to answer the question, such to the point that it becomes more efficient for me to not even ask the question? Keeping in mind that you presented a 19 word response when I can think of two different one word answers that would have sufficed in answering my question.

Or maybe you don't move in circles which require the proper useage of the terms.

That could be true; use of the English language satisfactory to those with a firm grasp of it is not very high on our list of priorities, and none of my friends are quite as educated as most people on this forum :).

However, such a statement leaves me inclined to believe that you haven't thought about the very nature of said language much at all; a tree is defined as "A perennial woody plant having a main trunk and usually a distinct crown", while a plant is defined as "Any of various photosynthetic, eukaryotic, multicellular organisms of the kingdom Plantae characteristically producing embryos, containing chloroplasts, having cellulose cell walls, and lacking the power of locomotion", and heaven knows how many ways words in the latter are defined. In no way are any words fundamentally defined, instead all words are just defined in terms of other words; in math, if one defined X as Y, neither has any value, so why do words have meaning in conversation when all words are nothing more than words defined in terms of other words?

Language is built on a framework of mutual understanding, not dictionary based definitions, and nobody can, in any fashion, have any reasonable standing to suggest that they own or can cite the "correct usage" of a word.

And still, if this was the last site left on the internet, you'd never convince me to post them here.

I was never asking you personally, but everybody in general.

Lead by example ....

Asian women are beautiful, IMO :).

[Adora]

Naturally, a prerequisite to joining a forum and asking a question is to go through the archives of said forum to see if the question has already been answered.
Exactly, so you don't make yourself look like a fuckoff stupid newbie.

That could be true; use of the English language satisfactory to those with a firm grasp of it is not very high on our list of priorities, and none of my friends are quite as educated as most people on this forum.
Not what I meant at all. If you moved in circles where people actually had specific fetishes, or in discussions of sexual practices where differentiation was required, you'd understand the meanings better. Because you obviously don't, you're not going to understand the differences properly.

Let me put it this way: If you made your original statement with your meaning in a Fisting Fetish community discussion, there would be much pointing and laughing.

[Petra]

Exactly, so you don't make yourself look like a fuckoff stupid newbie.

So it's much better to look like a fuckoff nasty bitch than a fuckoff stupid newbie?


Get over yourself.

[Token Effort]

Not what I meant at all. If you moved in circles where people actually had specific fetishes, or in discussions of sexual practices where differentiation was required, you'd understand the meanings better. Because you obviously don't, you're not going to understand the differences properly.

Fair enough, I can see why I may not undertand the differences.

Exactly, so you don't make yourself look like a fuckoff stupid newbie.

20 or so posts in I would have thought I was a newbie. Whether or not I am stupid, I will leave that up to you, and rest assured I will be "fucking off" as you put it in short time. Sorry I'm not the type who feels the urge to spend time going through forum archives to preserve my image to miscellaneous individuals on said forum. I'm just here for a short amount of time to look around, not to try and grasp the magnitude of your e-reputation.

[Petra]

...and rest assured I will be "fucking off" as you put it in short time. Sorry I'm not the type who feels the urge to spend time going through forum archives to preserve my image to miscellaneous individuals on said forum...

Way to go, Adora.


:glare:

[viscousmemories]

Well he did say in one of his first posts that he was just here to look around. So if he ends up drifting off it won't necessarily be the result of Adora's shameless attempts to get in his pants. Besides, it's important for new members to learn the depths of our linguistic pedantry around here as early as possible. :yup:

[godfry n. glad]

I doubt we're kinky enough for him. I think he wants to write dirty.

Just a guess.

godfry

[Token Effort]

Well he did say in one of his first posts that he was just here to look around.

So I did. Although I though everybody around here "read the archives" and knew that already :P.

[godfry n. glad]

Y'know.....

We're not kinky enough for Adora, either. Yet she's still here.

godfry

[godfry n. glad]

Asian women are beautiful, IMO :).

That's it?

All Asian women? Wow...That's really discerning.*

I think some Asian women are beautiful. So what? I think some women of almost all ethnicities are beautiful. I think cross-ethnic women are amongst the most beautiful.

Is this because you're not Asian?

That's :rubeyes: your "fetish"?

godfry

*(damn....this is when I wish I'd gotten a good picture of those Samarqand women with the monobrows.)

[Token Effort]

All Asian women? Wow...That's really discerning.*

I think some Asian women are beautiful. So what? I think some women of almost all ethnicities are beautiful. I think cross-ethnic women are amongst the most beautiful.

Is this because you're not Asian?

That's :rubeyes: your "fetish"?

godfry


Not all Asian (South-East Asian) women, but there is something about (SE) Asian women, the end result being that I tend to like (SE) Asian women above other ethnicities in terms of pure attraction (it's difficult to explain :)). I'm not Asian myself, but I'm unsure as to whether or not this contributes to my preference.

[Adora]

Way to go, Adora.
Bwuahahahahahaha. Bitch please. Really, it's cute you think I'd ever make someone leave around here, no, really, considering I'm the one who needs to Get-over-herself. Hee hee hee hee hee hoo. XD

Awh Godfry, really, how can I leave when you guys are such cheap entertainment, especially luna?

[Petra]

I've never put anyone on ignore before.

Congratulations, Adora, you're the first.

[Token Effort]

XD? What does that mean?

[godfry n. glad]

Awh Godfry, really, how can I leave when you guys are such cheap entertainment, especially luna?

Well, suit yourself.

I just find it amusing that you're still here.

Not that I begrudge you that....or anything.

godfry, so much more than Godfry

[seebs]

XD? What does that mean?

If you'd read the archives, you'd know. (Me neither. I think it's a smiley; sort of like colon-D for a grin, but with funny eyes.)

[godfry n. glad]

XD? What does that mean?

If you'd read the archives, you'd know. (Me neither. I think it's a smiley; sort of like colon-D for a grin, but with funny eyes.)

Oh, c'mon, guys.... If an old geezer like me can figure out that it's a belly-laughing smiley with it's eyes closed....

Isn't it?

godfry

[Goliath]

in math...

In mathematics, we need undefined terms.

[Bella]

Dammit, I opened up this thread hoping to find some disclosures I could giggle at (and identify with) and all I see is arguing :yawn: .

There once was someone on IIDB who said that they really dug being cut or bitten hard enough to break skin during sex. I was a bit freaked out by this notion, frankly - while I understand "cutting" (ie people cutting themselves during times of extreme emotional duress) I really couldn't identify with self-mutilation coupled with an orgasm. Maybe someone else can explain?

That being said, once I accidentally cut Jek on the shoulder with a ring I was wearing, and while we were, um, busy I got blood on my lips somehow and I found that the taste of that little droplet was a really yummy.

[viscousmemories]

Riiiiight. The vampire wants someone else to explain why some get off on pain. :chuckle:

[Ms.Babylon]

I'm not sure if I have any.

I thought being tied up was one I'd like but when it happened and I screamed, "Untie me or I'll kill you!"...well that put that notion to rest.

[Token Effort]

In mathematics, we need undefined terms.

I didn't mean to intrude on somebody else's proverbial area with my lack of knowledge; consider this from a very simple (my ;)) perspective.

x = y

One, from only that, x could be anything, could it not? I don't believe what you have said detracts from my point in any fashion.

[Ms.Babylon]

Your avatar is freaky, Token Effort. There's a guy on CF with the exact same....oh nevermind, you're him.

[godfry n. glad]

Your avatar is freaky, Token Effort. There's a guy on CF with the exact same....oh nevermind, you're him.

I'd call it "disturbing", but then I'm a former garbage hauler (with bite scars) so it has a rather nightmarish quality for me.

godfry

[Goliath]

consider this from a very simple (my ;)) perspective.

x = y



...consider what? What are you talking about?

You're starting to remind me of someone else. (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=512)

I don't believe what you have said detracts from my point in any fashion.

Of course not, because you obviously didn't understand what I said. Let me try again.

A significant and important part of mathematics lies in definitions. The dictionary is finite. However, if we try to define every possible term, then we will end up in infinite regress.

For example, Euclid, when writing The Elements (which was a treatise of geometry and number theory) tried to define a line as "that which has no width" and a point as "that which has no breadth". Well....what do "width" and "breadth" mean? Whatever definitions you choose for those terms, I could pick out another word and ask what that term means, etc, etc, etc.

Thus, in order to avoid infinite regress, we use undefined terms, and undefined relations amongst those terms. For example, in geometry, "point" and "line" are undefined terms, and the undefined relation amongst them is "lying on" (as in the idea of points lying on lines).

However, this isn't quite enough...we need to have some agreements and rules as to how these undefined relations work. These agreements are called axioms. For example, again in geometry, it is an axiom that two points lie on one and only one line.

Now, with this in mind, it should be clear what all of this has to do with your brief (and IMO painful) foray into mathematics.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

I think cross-ethnic women are amongst the most beautiful.

Me too. Some of the most beautiful I've seen are part Polynesian and some Asian ethnic group. Filipino plus Caucasian makes very attractive people to. Hey lets all get together and make some beautiful people. :yup: :D

[Beth]

I think cross-ethnic women are amongst the most beautiful.

Me too. Some of the most beautiful I've seen are part Polynesian and some Asian ethnic group. Filipino plus Caucasian makes very attractive people to. Hey lets all get together and make some beautiful people. :yup: :D
Hmmm...how bout European and Native American combinations? :P

[Beth]

I have a shopping fetish. I know, how horribly shallow when I could pick something like toe sucking, or being tied to the headboard with lace scarves.

[viscousmemories]

I think the exceedingly popular term "Asian fetish" (to describe people who think Asian women are hot) is one of the reasons people tend not to understand the technical definition of 'fetish'.

[godfry n. glad]

I think cross-ethnic women are amongst the most beautiful.

Me too. Some of the most beautiful I've seen are part Polynesian and some Asian ethnic group. Filipino plus Caucasian makes very attractive people to. Hey lets all get together and make some beautiful people. :yup: :D
Hmmm...how bout European and Native American combinations? :P

Or, human and alien combinations, like Liv Tyler.

I mean, Stephen is not human is he...it?

godfry

[Beth]

I think cross-ethnic women are amongst the most beautiful.

Me too. Some of the most beautiful I've seen are part Polynesian and some Asian ethnic group. Filipino plus Caucasian makes very attractive people to. Hey lets all get together and make some beautiful people. :yup: :D
Hmmm...how bout European and Native American combinations? :P

Very nice. The Meti in Canada are an excellent example of this. Good strong and attractive features, to generalize waaaaay too much. If memory serves, many Mexicans are Euro/Native by default. Or, say, Salma Hayek, for example.... :wink:

godfryWell, I'm Cherokee and Northern European. I look too European to really flatter myself to be included in this, though. But I included us gals anyway.:D
Hayek is a babe, I agree.

[godfry n. glad]

I have a shopping fetish. I know, how horribly shallow when I could pick something like toe sucking, or being tied to the headboard with lace scarves.

A shopping fetish?

Okay...How does this work? Do you have do it in the store? Can you get off catalog shopping on the phone at home? Does big ticket make a difference, or does penny candy shopping at the local soda fountain count as much as Street of Dreams home tours?

Inquiring minds want to know.

godfry

Does shopping at WalMart make you a cheap tramp?

[Beth]

I have a shopping fetish. I know, how horribly shallow when I could pick something like toe sucking, or being tied to the headboard with lace scarves.

A shopping fetish?

Okay...How does this work? Do you have do it in the store? Can you get off catalog shopping on the phone at home? Does big ticket make a difference, or does penny candy shopping at the local soda fountain count as much as Street of Dreams home tours?

Inquiring minds want to know.

godfry

Well, I cannot divulge too much, but lets just say that I find hunting a bargain to be a very *ahem* stimulating experience.


Does shopping at WalMart make you a cheap tramp?
Hehe. That was so cute.

[seebs]

Well, I cannot divulge too much, but lets just say that I find hunting a bargain to be a very *ahem* stimulating experience.

Oh, come on. You can tell us more than that!

I've only ever known one person that could have orgasms without being touched. But I don't think it's a fetish; just a particularly twitchy nervous system.

[godfry n. glad]

I have a shopping fetish. I know, how horribly shallow when I could pick something like toe sucking, or being tied to the headboard with lace scarves.

A shopping fetish?

Okay...How does this work? Do you have do it in the store? Can you get off catalog shopping on the phone at home? Does big ticket make a difference, or does penny candy shopping at the local soda fountain count as much as Street of Dreams home tours?

Inquiring minds want to know.

godfry

Well, I cannot divulge too much, but lets just say that I find hunting a bargain to be a very *ahem* stimulating experience.

Ah.

Bargain hunter. Are you a saler? Y'know, garage sales, yard sales, estate sales, moving sales? Do you get really hot at auctions? Goodwill and thrift store retro shopper? I've got a friend who spends all year shopping for her friends' gifts at sales like that and swears she won't pay more than $.25 per gift item.

Is that the kind of bargain we're talking about?

Or are we talking finding a $750 pair of Gucci boots, that almost fit you, for only $250?


Does shopping at WalMart make you a cheap tramp?
Hehe. That was so cute.

Hehe. Yeah, I thought so, too, but you didn't answer the question. :P

[Beth]

I have a shopping fetish. I know, how horribly shallow when I could pick something like toe sucking, or being tied to the headboard with lace scarves.

A shopping fetish?

Okay...How does this work? Do you have do it in the store? Can you get off catalog shopping on the phone at home? Does big ticket make a difference, or does penny candy shopping at the local soda fountain count as much as Street of Dreams home tours?

Inquiring minds want to know.

godfry

Well, I cannot divulge too much, but lets just say that I find hunting a bargain to be a very *ahem* stimulating experience.

Ah.

Bargain hunter. Are you a saler? Y'know, garage sales, yard sales, estate sales, moving sales? Do you get really hot at auctions? Goodwill and thrift store retro shopper? I've got a friend who spends all year shopping for her friends' gifts at sales like that and swears she won't pay more than $.25 per gift item.

Is that the kind of bargain we're talking about?

Or are we talking finding a $750 pair of Gucci boots, that almost fit you, for only $250?
Well, I do enjoy going to yard sales. I look for high quality things at steal prices. I also look in department stores and outlet stores for sales. I have been known to buy thousands of dollars in clothes for less than a hundred bucks. I tend to get away with it because I buy things that will likely not go outdated for several years. Just add a knew accessory to it..viola! an updated look. :D
I also thoroughly enjoy grocery shopping. I love browsing new and used book stores. I'm just sick, I tell ya.


Oh, I have no price rule. I will buy gifts from yard sales, but usually only crafts that I revamp or add to or antiques or crystal. It really isn't something I normally do, though.




Does shopping at WalMart make you a cheap tramp?
Hehe. That was so cute.

Hehe. Yeah, I thought so, too, but you didn't answer the question. :PNah, I only buy quality bargains, even at Walmart. So, I am a high quality tramp, I guess. :D

[godfry n. glad]

I was blathering away on another thread about Lucy Liu and I remembered one of my.....quirks?....I'd say that's a better term than kind or fetish.

Freckles. I really, really dig a smattering of freckles. Not that "cowflop backsplash" look, but the smattering of freckles across the bridge of the nose and the top of the cheeks (the facial ones). Freckles other places are fun, too. I get fantasies of freckle-hunting. :drool:

[godfry n. glad]

Nah, I only buy quality bargains, even at Walmart. So, I am a high quality tramp, I guess. :D

It's the "getting a good value for a relatively low cost" that really spins your jets, eh?

So....If you find a particularly good buy at a garage sale (say a Stickley lounge chair for under $100), can you make it home before you unleash your libido on your lucky companion, or do you need to consummate in the bushes or steam up the windows of the car?

godfry

[Beth]

Why, I'd only steam up the windows after dark.;)

[RevDahlia]

Freckles. I really, really dig a smattering of freckles. Not that "cowflop backsplash" look, but the smattering of freckles across the bridge of the nose and the top of the cheeks (the facial ones). Freckles other places are fun, too. I get fantasies of freckle-hunting. :drool:
Ooh, me too. I once had a mondo-mega crush on a Goth boy who I perceived as being very monochrome, but when I got up close I realized that he had the most wonderful, subtle freckles on his cheekbones and shoulders. Revved me right up -- it was like a hint of all-American wholesomeness amidst all the despair. :D

Asian people also tend to look wonderful with freckles.

[Token Effort]

someone else. (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=512)

You have no idea there.

Of course not, because you obviously didn't understand what I said. Let me try again.

Indeed; if you knew me you would realise how "painfully" slow I am.

A significant and important part of mathematics lies in definitions. The dictionary is finite. However, if we try to define every possible term, then we will end up in infinite regress.

For example, Euclid, when writing The Elements (which was a treatise of geometry and number theory) tried to define a line as "that which has no width" and a point as "that which has no breadth". Well....what do "width" and "breadth" mean? Whatever definitions you choose for those terms, I could pick out another word and ask what that term means, etc, etc, etc.

Thus, in order to avoid infinite regress, we use undefined terms, and undefined relations amongst those terms. For example, in geometry, "point" and "line" are undefined terms, and the undefined relation amongst them is "lying on" (as in the idea of points lying on lines).

However, this isn't quite enough...we need to have some agreements and rules as to how these undefined relations work. These agreements are called axioms. For example, again in geometry, it is an axiom that two points lie on one and only one line.

I'm posting this reply to let you know that I did read your post, but it has confused me greatly, so I'll leave it at that for the moment :). What you picked out was simply a bad example, and what I was saying really involved no foray into mathematics; you are in a roundabout way restating what I said to begin with- an infinite regress of definitions can only be overcome but some underlying mutual understanding (axioms, rules, arguments, etc).

But I'd better be off now; peace :).