Mail-order brides

[ApostateAbe]

The loveliest looking chickpics I have ever seen are in mail-order bride catalogues on the web. Loveme.com (http://www.loveme.com/) is the best. There are also good sites such as mailorderbrides.com (http://www.mailorderbrides.com/), heart-of-asia.com (http://www.heart-of-asia.com/aage/2001.html), and eastwestmatch.com (http://www.eastwestmatch.com).

In addition to beauties, there are plenty of butt-uglies, but you can filter most of those out by using the search function to give you only the ones under the age of 24 and under 120 lbs, and that will give you the best batch of desirables. At the loveme.com search engine (http://www.loveme.com/women/search.htm), you can search by religion, ethnicity, and keywords. If you want, you can search only for atheists.

Here are three of my favorites:
http://www.loveme.com/women/info61321.htm
http://www.loveme.com/women/info67677.htm
http://www.loveme.com/women/info61320.htm

The "additional photos" button sends you to a page of full-body shots. Screw porn. I think this is the best wanking material. They are fully and beautifully clothed, and you know it is possible to have them if you are willing to spend lots of cash and take a big risk. Some of them are even hotter than the average porn star.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Um, so you own them? I kid of course. The only one I find attractive is Olga, she's uber hot. To bad her name isn't a little more um, what's the word.....flattering.

[ApostateAbe]

http://www.loveme.com/images/p61320-2.jpg

http://www.loveme.com/images/p67677-4.jpg

Are you telling me that these don't give you a giant chubby?

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Are you telling me that these don't give you a giant chubby?

Yes, I really don't know how to define what I find hot but those aren't.

Oh my Krishna check her out!
http://www.loveme.com/women/info65455.htm

[Ymir's blood]

Are you telling me that these don't give you a giant chubby?Yes, especially considering the unethical practices used to attract women to these 'services.' :puke:

[ApostateAbe]

If you are having trouble getting a URL from LoveMe.com, the problem is multiple windows. You gotta right-click on one of the thumbnails in the left window and select, "Copy link location" or "Open link in new window." That will give you the URL for a page with only one window.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Thanks Abe but I figured it out on my own. Check my edited post.

[ApostateAbe]

Are you telling me that these don't give you a giant chubby?Yes, especially considering the unethical practices used to attract women to these 'services.' :puke:Get this: I get a chubby looking at them even without knowing the unethical practices.

[ApostateAbe]

Thanks Abe but I figured it out on my own. Check my edited post.Oo la la!

[Adora]

Are you telling me that these don't give you a giant chubby?
No, because they're both really badly photoshopped, duh. The second girl's head is far too big for her body, and the light sourcing is off on the top one.

[Beth]

So Adora, you never heard of the 'lolliwoods'?

[Beth]

Anyway, I kinda tow the line that Ymir does in this type of thing.

[ApostateAbe]

Are you telling me that these don't give you a giant chubby? No, because they're both really badly photoshopped, duh. The second girl's head is far too big for her body, and the light sourcing is off on the top one.If they are photoshops, then they are very convincing to me. I am not seeing what you are seeing.

[Adora]

I bet you're the sort of guy who thinks the covers of FHM are "convincing" as well.

So Adora, you never heard of the 'lolliwoods'?
I've heard of them. But there's a difference between that and this.

tow
Toe.

[ApostateAbe]

I bet you're the sort of guy who thinks the covers of FHM are "convincing" as well.Please stop being condescending.

[ApostateAbe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_order_bride

The Wikipedia gives a good rundown of mail order brides. There seems to be pitfalls at every step in the business of long-distance match-making. One man, who made a career out of exposing scumbag scammers and published a helpful article (http://www.womenrussia.com/blacklist1.htm) online, was killed by Russian mobsters. Scammers are such a big problem that you can hire a professional (http://www.womenrussia.com/individual.htm) to find a match for you instead of doing it yourself. I say the best way to find an foreign woman is to meet women who have already immigrated. The next best thing is to do the travelling yourself.

[viscousmemories]

This thread is depressing and offensive on so many levels I don't know what to say.

[ApostateAbe]

This thread is depressing and offensive on so many levels I don't know what to say.It's simple really. You post a link to your favorite sweetheart after you cruise around loveme.com's search engine.

[viscousmemories]

It's simple really. You post a link to your favorite sweetheart after you cruise around loveme.com's search engine.
Sorry, degrading women really doesn't entertain me.

[ApostateAbe]

It's simple really. You post a link to your favorite sweetheart after you cruise around loveme.com's search engine. Sorry, degrading women really doesn't entertain me.It entertains other people, so you can do a public service by posting links to your favorite pseudo-strumpets, and then maybe you'll grow into it.

[viscousmemories]

It entertains other people, so you can do a public service by posting links to your favorite pseudo-strumpets, and then maybe you'll grow into it.
Yeah, I'm sure it's really quite entertaining to some how these women are often forced by economic circumstance or physical coercion into the position of having to offer themselves for sale in online catalogs, so barely pubescent boys from a more powerful nation can have a laugh playing hot-or-not with their pictures and profiles while jerking themselves off. It's really just disgustingly pathetic to me, though.

[ApostateAbe]

It entertains other people, so you can do a public service by posting links to your favorite pseudo-strumpets, and then maybe you'll grow into it. Yeah, I'm sure it's really quite entertaining to some how these women are often forced by economic circumstance or physical coercion into the position of having to offer themselves for sale in online catalogs, so barely pubescent boys from a more powerful nation can have a laugh playing hot-or-not with their pictures and profiles while jerking themselves off. It's really just disgustingly pathetic to me, though.Now, now, I think you are exaggerating. We are all well-beyond pubescent.

[viscousmemories]

Now, now, I think you are exaggerating. We are all well-beyond pubescent.
Fair enough, sorry for that bit of hyperbole. I accept your claim that you're post-pubescent.

[ApostateAbe]

Now, now, I think you are exaggerating. We are all well-beyond pubescent. Fair enough, sorry for that bit of hyperbole. I accept your claim that you're post-pubescent.Thank you, good sir.

Now, on a different note, that bit of knowledge about how some women are forced into the mail-order bride catalogues by physical coercion is new to me. What more do you know about it?

[Adora]

long-distance match-making
So that's what they call slavery these days...

[ApostateAbe]

long-distance match-making

So that's what they call slavery these days...No, that is just a phrase I put together myself. I didn't hear it anywhere. They normally call the business, "mail-order brides."

[viscousmemories]

Now, on a different note, that bit of knowledge about how some women are forced into the mail-order bride catalogues by physical coercion is new to me. What more do you know about it?

Well in my opinion women should not be bought and sold like slaves regardless of whether there are so-called reasonable assurances of their rights in the process. However most of the stuff I've found on the 'net makes a distinction between "legitimate" practices in this area, and the fraudulent, abusive practices associated with what they call "human trafficking".

Unfortunately it's apparently difficult to prove when the line is crossed, but most of the sources I just perused categorize "mail order brides" with other forms of coerced prostitution. Here's just a little info I dug up just now:

The potential of human trafficking into the United States through seemingly legitimate marriage brokers is "real and serious," says John R. Miller, director of the Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons at the U.S. Department of State. -source (http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2004/Jul/15-123355.html)


Sex trafficking is a modern-day form of slavery in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act is under the age of 18 years. Enactment of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 (TVPA) made sex trafficking a serious violation of Federal law. The TVPA also recognizes labor trafficking, which is discussed in a separate fact sheet.

As defined by the TVPA, the term ‘commercial sex act’ means any sex act on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person.

The TVPA recognizes that traffickers use psychological and well as physical coercion and bondage, and it defines coercion to include: threats of serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that failure to perform an act would result in serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; or the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process.

Types of Sex Trafficking

Victims of trafficking are forced into various forms of commercial sexual exploitation including prostitution, pornography, stripping, live-sex shows, mail-order brides, military prostitution and sex tourism.

Victims trafficked into prostitution and pornography are usually involved in the most exploitive forms of commercial sex operations. Sex trafficking operations can be found in highly-visible venues such as street prostitution, as well as more underground systems such as closed-brothels that operate out of residential homes. Sex trafficking also takes place in a variety of public and private locations such as massage parlors, spas, strip clubs and other fronts for prostitution. Victims may start off dancing or stripping in clubs and then be coerced into situations of prostitution and pornography.

- US Dept. Health and Human Services (http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/trafficking/about/fact_sex.html)

And here are some other sources of information on trafficking:

Project REACH (http://www.traumacenter.org/projectreach/trafficking.asp)

Sage (http://www.sageprojectinc.org/html/info_briefs_who.htm)

[ApostateAbe]

Thanks, VM. From what I can gather in those links, it seems to me that mail-order bride services are associated with sex trafficking only through phony marriage proposals. Women are not physically forced into the mail-order bride catalogues, or so it seems. They just get tricked by the sham hopeful husbands. They travel to America believing that they are meeting their new rich American match, and, oops, he is a really a sex-slaving pimp.

[viscousmemories]

Thanks, VM. From what I can gather in those links, it seems to me that mail-order bride services are associated with sex trafficking only through phony marriage proposals. Women are not physically forced into the mail-order bride catalogues, or so it seems. They just get tricked by the sham hopeful husbands. They travel to America believing that they are meeting their new rich American match, and, oops, he is a really a sex-slaving pimp.
I think that's an oversimplification that largely misses the point. Just because we don't have video of women being physically dragged into a mail-order bride warehouse doesn't mean it isn't happening. But in any case the psychological and economic coercion that's present in all forms of prostititution appears to be just as prevalent (if not moreso) in the mail-order bride business.

And the problem isn't just an occasional John pimping out his new bride, but physical assault, forced labor, even the occasional murder are problems too. You can read more about this from the transcripts of the Human Trafficking: Mail Order Bride Abuses (http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2004/hrg040713p.html) Senate Hearing, if you're interested.

I can't say I'm firmly decided on whether I'm opposed to voluntary prostitution or servitude in general, but from everything I've read and heard about the subject it seems fairly unusual that either is freely chosen. However as I initially said I find this thread depressing and offensive on many levels, and so far I've only gone in depth on one of them.

Another big one for me is your casual references to these women as inhuman commodities. I'm not someone who thinks all pornography objectifies women and all objectification is necessarily bad, but comments like "I think this is the best wanking material. They are fully and beautifully clothed, and you know it is possible to have them if you are willing to spend lots of cash and take a big risk" are tremendously callous even without consideration of the fact that these women are quite possibly enslaved, on one level or another.

[ApostateAbe]

Thanks, VM. From what I can gather in those links, it seems to me that mail-order bride services are associated with sex trafficking only through phony marriage proposals. Women are not physically forced into the mail-order bride catalogues, or so it seems. They just get tricked by the sham hopeful husbands. They travel to America believing that they are meeting their new rich American match, and, oops, he is a really a sex-slaving pimp. I think that's an oversimplification that largely misses the point. Just because we don't have video of women being physically dragged into a mail-order bride warehouse doesn't mean it isn't happening. But in any case the psychological and economic coercion that's present in all forms of prostititution appears to be just as prevalent (if not moreso) in the mail-order bride business.

And the problem isn't just an occasional John pimping out his new bride, but physical assault, forced labor, even the occasional murder are problems too. You can read more about this from the transcripts of the Human Trafficking: Mail Order Bride Abuses (http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2004/hrg040713p.html) Senate Hearing, if you're interested.

I can't say I'm firmly decided on whether I'm opposed to voluntary prostitution or servitude in general, but from everything I've read and heard about the subject it seems fairly unusual that either is freely chosen. However as I initially said I find this thread depressing and offensive on many levels, and so far I've only gone in depth on one of them.

Another big one for me is your casual references to these women as inhuman commodities. I'm not someone who thinks all pornography objectifies women and all objectification is necessarily bad, but comments like "I think this is the best wanking material. They are fully and beautifully clothed, and you know it is possible to have them if you are willing to spend lots of cash and take a big risk" are tremendously callous even without consideration of the fact that these women are quite possibly enslaved, on one level or another.I read all five pages of the human trafficking senate hearings, and it was very informative. There seems to be a lot of problems associated with the mail-order bride business which arises primarily from the economic disparities and power imbalance. But none of the women are dragged into mail-order bride agencies to have their pictures taken and their information listed. The problems begin when they find a match and cross the borders. Before then, they willfully pose for pictures and make themselves available, and it isn't so much different from Match.com. If you were to personally ask the three women who I chose as my favorites, they are likely to say that they appreciate the extra attention.

[Dingfod]

Here ya go, Abe: Iraqi Mail Order Brides (http://www.unclemelon.com/iraqi_brides.html).

[Ensign Steve]

Is that a joke? The eyepatch looks photoshopped on, and the woman in the veil looks suspiciously like Xena.

[ApostateAbe]

Here ya go, Abe: Iraqi Mail Order Brides (http://www.unclemelon.com/iraqi_brides.html).You sick bastard, that's hilarious.

[viscousmemories]

I read all five pages of the human trafficking senate hearings, and it was very informative. There seems to be a lot of problems associated with the mail-order bride business which arises primarily from the economic disparities and power imbalance.
I'm glad you found it informative, and I agree with this part of your assessment.

But none of the women are dragged into mail-order bride agencies to have their pictures taken and their information listed. The problems begin when they find a match and cross the borders. Before then, they willfully pose for pictures and make themselves available, and it isn't so much different from Match.com. If you were to personally ask the three women who I chose as my favorites, they are likely to say that they appreciate the extra attention.
Unfortunately you can't say with any certainty that none are forced to do this, but even so in my opinion there is no significant difference between physical and other forms of coercion. And based on what I saw in the documentary I describe in this thread (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1165), it's clear that the same forms of coercion that are used to get those girls into sexual slavery apply to at least a percentage of the mail-order brides on the market.

You explained the substantial difference between these mail-order bride catalogs and Match.com yourself, when you said that what makes them primo jerk off material is the fact that they're available to the highest bidder. I'm fairly certain most women at Match.com aren't for sale.

At any rate I don't personally see anything wrong with looking at Match.com, Hot-or-Not, FaceTheJury or any other meat market sites as just what they are. But the mail-order bride sites, because of the inherent dangers of very serious abuse of these girls and women, raise serious ethical problems for me.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

One wonders why exactly you'd want to pay a large sum of money to be able to marry them. I mean you don't own them(thank goodness) so why pay money? Just find someone on Match.com. If one does pay for a bride do they
HAVE to marry the highest bidder? Sounds to much like slavery to me. Would you really want a "lover" that is with you because you payed for them? A blow job from a stripper is one thing, you're going to be living with this person for years and years. Wouldn't you want your "soul"mate to really love you?

[viscousmemories]

I suspect the appeal of mail-order brides is that with enough money, anyone (regardless of how physically, emotionally or mentally ugly) can hand-pick a physically attractive woman to be a live-in companion to have sex and play cards with. Yes, she's contractually bound to marry the guy who pays for her, and yes because she will very likely be uneducated and entirely financially dependent on the man -- and living in a foreign country where she doesn't know anyone -- it is like she's a slave. Why would anyone want to do it? See the parenthetical above.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

I suspect the appeal of mail-order brides is that with enough money, anyone (regardless of how physically, emotionally or mentally ugly) can hand-pick a physically attractive woman to be a live-in companion to have sex and play cards with. Yes, she's contractually bound to marry the guy who pays for her, and yes because she will very likely be uneducated and entirely financially dependent on the man -- and living in a foreign country where she doesn't know anyone -- it is like she's a slave. Why would anyone want to do it? See the parenthetical above.

So it's lonely perverted Trekkies and Lord of the Rings fanboys wanting to get some and have a "friend"? Pathetic.
Sexual Selection is a harsh mistress.

Can the woman divorce the man if he's an abusive asshole?

[ApostateAbe]

I suspect the appeal of mail-order brides is that with enough money, anyone (regardless of how physically, emotionally or mentally ugly) can hand-pick a physically attractive woman to be a live-in companion to have sex and play cards with. Yes, she's contractually bound to marry the guy who pays for her, and yes because she will very likely be uneducated and entirely financially dependent on the man -- and living in a foreign country where she doesn't know anyone -- it is like she's a slave. Why would anyone want to do it? See the parenthetical above.
So it's lonely perverted Trekkies and Lord of the Rings fanboys wanting to get some and have a "friend"? Pathetic.
Sexual Selection is a harsh mistress.

Can the woman divorce the man if he's an abusive asshole? If the woman divorces within the first two years of marriage, then she loses her immigration status and is sent back to her home country EXCEPT if she is physically abused. The catch is that she might not know about the law, despite the law requiring the match-making agency to tell her.

[ApostateAbe]

The women are not auctioned off to the highest bidder. The women choose any one of the men who chooses them, and the matchmaking agnecy charges a standard fee. If a woman chooses the richest man who offers, then it is their own decision and not the decision of the brokers.

[Dingfod]

I know of a guy that went to Russia on a www.russianbrides.com organized trip. He said they had arranged social events every night he was there, with translators. He was guaranteed to meet a certain number of women and he did, but he didn't make a love connection with any of them and came home without a Russian bride lined up. So despite paying the fee required, he got nothing for the thousands of dollars spent except five days in Moscow and long plane trips to and from.

[ApostateAbe]

I know of a guy that went to Russia on a www.russianbrides.com (http://www.russianbrides.com) organized trip. He said they had arranged social events every night he was there, with translators. He was guaranteed to meet a certain number of women and he did, but he didn't make a love connection with any of them and came home without a Russian bride lined up. So despite paying the fee required, he got nothing for the thousands of dollars spent except five days in Moscow and long plane trips to and from.If that example is representative of what is normal, then I guess it shows that it isn't really a slave-trading operation after all, at least on the surface.

[ApostateAbe]

Check out this buxom blonde: http://www.loveme.com/women/info68082.htm Maybe a little too much make-up, but hell with it. Look at those knockers.

[Dingfod]

I'm in love. It says she's a doctor.
http://www.russianbrides.com/GirlImages/55201-55400/55364LV-05.jpg

[ApostateAbe]

I'd let her play doctor.

[Dingfod]

Hands off 29 year old Irina, Bub, I saw her first. Also I fit into her desired age range, 27-55*.

*Just in case one wonders, the desired age range varies widely depending on the woman, some selecting 'Any Age'. Others select a rather narrow age range right around their own age, this being more particularly the case in the younger women.

[Godless Dave]

So it's lonely perverted Trekkies and Lord of the Rings fanboys wanting to get some and have a "friend"? Pathetic.

I always assumed it was more likely to be men raised on very old fashioned ideas about husband-wife relations who couldn't find an American woman willing to put up with that bullshit.

That said, there are many women in poverty-stricken, dangerous parts of the world who would gladly marry for money/citizenship rather than love because it beats staying where they are. In many parts of Russia there are no jobs other than prostitution for women.

[ApostateAbe]

So it's lonely perverted Trekkies and Lord of the Rings fanboys wanting to get some and have a "friend"? Pathetic.
I always assumed it was more likely to be men raised on very old fashioned ideas about husband-wife relations who couldn't find an American woman willing to put up with that bullshit.

That said, there are many women in poverty-stricken, dangerous parts of the world who would gladly marry for money/citizenship rather than love because it beats staying where they are. In many parts of Russia there are no jobs other than prostitution for women.That is all correct. The marriages often fail because:

1) The woman cannot easily adjust to Western culture.
2) They knew each other only for a short time before tying the knot.
3) They did not fall in love. The man married for looks and the woman married for wealth.
4) The man's expectation of a submissive woman is often unfulfilled, and the woman turns out to be stronger and more independent than he thought.

[Beth]

So it's lonely perverted Trekkies and Lord of the Rings fanboys wanting to get some and have a "friend"? Pathetic.
I always assumed it was more likely to be men raised on very old fashioned ideas about husband-wife relations who couldn't find an American woman willing to put up with that bullshit.

That said, there are many women in poverty-stricken, dangerous parts of the world who would gladly marry for money/citizenship rather than love because it beats staying where they are. In many parts of Russia there are no jobs other than prostitution for women.That is all correct. The marriages often fail because:

1) The woman cannot easily adjust to Western culture.
2) They knew each other only for a short time before tying the knot.
3) They did not fall in love. The man married for looks and the woman married for wealth.
4) The man's expectation of a submissive woman is often unfulfilled, and the woman turns out to be stronger and more independent than he thought.Right, these are valid reasons. I frankly find such sites as distasteful because such marriages can place a woman into an endentured servitude situation. But I can also see where the women who place themselves on mail order bride lists are coming from. In a second and third world situation, a woman may see little prospect for the future unless she marries a wealthy man from a wealthy nation.

[TomJoe]

I know of a guy that went to Russia on a www.russianbrides.com organized trip. He said they had arranged social events every night he was there, with translators. He was guaranteed to meet a certain number of women and he did, but he didn't make a love connection with any of them and came home without a Russian bride lined up. So despite paying the fee required, he got nothing for the thousands of dollars spent except five days in Moscow and long plane trips to and from.

There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum

I can only imagine this... you meet someone through a translator, and "fall in love". You've already paid tons of cash just to get there, you pay twice as much to get back with your newfound sweetheart... and of course we all know how many "one night stands" (and in this case there's a high chance of there having been no sex involved) translate into "happy for life".

So you and her move back the States, and then spend the next what... one to two years learning the basic language skills of your partners foreign language. All this time, I'm sure we're still planning a family (definitely do-able when you don't know what your partner is saying) and basically enjoying "quiet nights at home" since neither one of you can converse together in an intimate setting (unless you really have the ducats to hire a live-in translator).

Sounds wonderfully ideal to me. :chin: :eek:

Don't get me wrong, I find women from outside the United States incredibly attractive... probably because of the whole "unique to my particular environment" phenomenon... but face reality... what woman, in their right mind, would travel away from family, halfway across the globe, with a man they have either met once, or as is typically the case... never? Unless they felt they had no choice in the matter.

I prefer that my lifemate chose me, after getting to know me... personally... not through a few e-mails, a "7 minutue dating" scam or a catalog.

[ApostateAbe]

I found a new way to sift the cream from the crud in the LoveMe.com search engine. In addition to using the appropriate weight and age ranges, search for keywords such as "body shaping, "aerobics," "modeling," "acting," "dancing," and you will the very best-looking hotties of the lot. For example, this one:

http://www.loveme.com/women/info68510.htm

She says she's an economist. I'd cut her budget.

[Beth]

I found a new way to sift the cream from the crud in the LoveMe.com search engine.
I find the way you speak about these women to be a little offensive. Just the tone and wording of this, not to mention the sites. I do think VM made some very good points in this subject and I do appreciate them.

[ApostateAbe]

I found a new way to sift the cream from the crud in the LoveMe.com search engine. I find the way you speak about these women to be a little offensive. Just the tone and wording of this, not to mention the sites. I do think VM made some very good points in this subject and I do appreciate them.Avoidance is the best defense against offensive opinions. For your sake, I recommend that you stay out of this thread and all other threads that I start in the sexuality forum.

[Beth]

I found a new way to sift the cream from the crud in the LoveMe.com search engine. I find the way you speak about these women to be a little offensive. Just the tone and wording of this, not to mention the sites. I do think VM made some very good points in this subject and I do appreciate them.Avoidance is the best defense against offensive opinions. For your sake, I recommend that you stay out of this thread and all other threads that I start in the sexuality forum.For my sake? Why? Do you have some grand threat to make?
I just think you could speak about women a little less like they are chattel. Using terms like "Cream from the crud" is just crappy when speaking of women-or men for that matter. If you want a decent relationship with a woman (if I remember correctly, you have said you have no girlfriend at this time), I suggest that you learn how to better phrase things.
But you are right, I will put you back on my ignore list. I cannot imagine how you got removed from it.

[Goliath]

Avoidance is the best defense against offensive opinions. For your sake, I recommend that you stay out of this thread and all other threads that I start in the sexuality forum.

For her sake she should avoid threads that you start?! Why? What are you going to do about it if she doesn't avoid threads that you start in the Sexuality forum, you pathetic excuse for a little man?

[ApostateAbe]

Avoidance is the best defense against offensive opinions. For your sake, I recommend that you stay out of this thread and all other threads that I start in the sexuality forum.
For her sake she should avoid threads that you start?! Why? What are you going to do about it if she doesn't avoid threads that you start in the Sexuality forum, you pathetic excuse for a little man?To answer your last question, it won't make much of a difference to me, Goliath. Sorry I seemed so contentious. I really was making an honest recommendation.

EDIT: It wasn't a threat, if that is what you had in mind. All I am saying is that the best way to keep from getting offended is to avoid offensive topics.

[Goliath]

To answer your last question, it won't make much of a difference to me, Goliath. Sorry I seemed so contentious. I really was making an honest recommendation.

What I still want to know, little man, is if Beth doesn't acquiesce to your demand, then preciesely what the fuck do you plan on doing about it?!

[livius drusus]

He's just saying that his threads are likely to be offensive to Beth because she'll probably find most of his opinions on women and sexual issues offensive. Seems like a truism to me. For him to suggest that she ignore all his threads in this forum is not a threat. We've peppered this forum with ignore tools -- including "Ignore this thread" for this very purpose.

Beth is free to read and comment; Abe is free to tell her to ignore him. There is no reason for this to degenerate into namecalling and accusations.

[ApostateAbe]

To answer your last question, it won't make much of a difference to me, Goliath. Sorry I seemed so contentious. I really was making an honest recommendation.
What I still want to know, little man, is if Beth doesn't acquiesce to your demand, then preciesely what the fuck do you plan on doing about it?!It wasn't a threat. I see how it could be perceived as a threat, but it wasn't. I don't plan on doing a darn thing against her regardless of what she does.

[Goliath]

It wasn't a threat,


It sure as fuck seemed that way to me.



All I am saying is that the best way to keep from getting offended is to avoid offensive topics.

And precisely who the hell gave you control over what she does?! Oh, that's right: abso-fucking-lutely nobody!

So here's a tip: If you want to avoid offensive topics, then why don't you be the motherfucker to do the avoiding, rather than trying to threaten and push other people around?

[beyelzu]

It wasn't a threat,


It sure as fuck seemed that way to me.

initially maybe, but abe has gone to lengths to disabuse anyone of the idea that he was threatening beth. I for one saw only a threat of further offense which really aint much of a threat or intended to be one.



All I am saying is that the best way to keep from getting offended is to avoid offensive topics.

And precisely who the hell gave you control over what she does?! Oh, that's right: abso-fucking-lutely nobody!

So here's a tip: If you want to avoid offensive topics, then why don't you be the motherfucker to do the avoiding, rather than trying to threaten and push other people around?

goliath, let it go he wasnt threatening her. he was just saying that if she was offended she should ignore him because he isnt going to change his posts because of the criticism.


abe, let me know if I am putting words in your mouth inaccurately

[ApostateAbe]

It wasn't a threat,

It sure as fuck seemed that way to me.



All I am saying is that the best way to keep from getting offended is to avoid offensive topics.
And precisely who the hell gave you control over what she does?! Oh, that's right: abso-fucking-lutely nobody!

So here's a tip: If you want to avoid offensive topics, then why don't you be the motherfucker to do the avoiding, rather than trying to threaten and push other people around?Goliath, I am going to eat breakfast and go to work. After I come back from work, maybe by then your momentum of anger will have diminished, and we can talk man-to-man without such impediments.

[Beth]

I have not read Abe's replies but I do not think he was threatening me. I was being sarcastic at his patronizing me. If anything, he was assuring me I would be more offended by his posts later in this thread.
I had no idea it would go to this, I wish I had looked at the thread earlier. Thank you for trying to defend me Goliath but honestly I saw no threat. My reply to him about a threat was sarcasm.

I never thought this topic was too offensive to avoid, either. I had commented to Abe that the way he was speaking was a little offensive. If he or anyone else had made these comment, here or anywhere else, I probably would have stated that they were a little offensive. In fact, there probably would be a ten page thread in the end giving Abe reasons why the way he refers to women is offensive at II.

Let me clarify something, I do not think that Abe looking at these women is so horribly offensive. I do think that the fact that companies profit off of women's potential indentured servitude (slavery) is offensive and raises ethical issues, although I can very well understand why some women would do it. I do not think the fact that Abe looks for a particular age, weight, or look is offensive. I find that using language such as "sift the cream from the crud" is mildly offensive.

[ApostateAbe]

Goliath, I am back from work. In the morning, you had anger that was triggered by your ill perception--that I was making a threat. By now I hope and suspect that your anger has trickled out of you, you now have a better hold of your senses, and you have changed your mind in my favor. If so, then I don't need to explain myself further. But, if not, then I will be happy to take the time to show you the reasons I can be forgiven. First, read again what I said, with a sound mind, and make a new judgment attempting to make your judgment independent of what you thought before. Then tell me if your conclusion has changed.

[ApostateAbe]

Another bombshell economist! This is like the Twilight Zone or something.

http://www.loveme.com/women/info68661.htm (http://www.loveme.com/women/info68661.htm)
http://www.loveme.com/images/p68661-1.jpg

She likes travelling, dancing, and computer games. I'm with you on computer games, Anna. Self Description: I am a romantic, sensible, kind, careful and sexual young lady. I have very good sense of humor. I'm very open and cheerful. I am dreamy; I like to walk along the beach under the warm sun during the day or at night, in the moonlight, when the sky is fill up with bright stars. Hope you can make me a company:)So far, so good.Comments: You are tender, kind, caring and loving. You, like me, love nature, good rest and always think about your family. I love children and I want you to be ready to start strong and friendly family. I'm hard working and live good life. This is want I want also for my future family. You must be the best example for our children.Fuck.

[livius drusus]

Yeah you're pretty much screwed there, Abe. Unless you lie, of course.

[Weaselboots]

It is me or do they all look slightly....odd, not bad looking but off kilter somehow. Kinda alienish. Maybe its their pose and how they are made up.
Lucky i'm not in the market.Nothing against aliens of course. Though we could do with a house keeper.

[ApostateAbe]

It is me or do they all look slightly....odd, not bad looking but off kilter somehow. Kinda alienish. Maybe its their pose and how they are made up.
Lucky i'm not in the market.Nothing against aliens of course. Though we could do with a house keeper.I think it is probably just you. Maybe you are too accustomed to American skanks.

EDIT: Even in Australia, where most of your visual media is American.

[Adora]

Yeah. It's gotta be our conditioning to "American" women. It can't possibly be that their hedz are more pasted on than a fucking "American" porn mag, could it?

[Sweetie]

It is me or do they all look slightly....odd, not bad looking but off kilter somehow. Kinda alienish. Maybe its their pose and how they are made up.


I'm going to have to agree that their proportions are a bit off, it's recognizable, dwarfish or whatever. Everybody has their definition of beauty though.

[Beth]

Well, I wonder if they are all cut and paste or if some are just under nourished and i think very thingcome to mind about them living in poor second world conditions. Some of these girls may be on the verge of involuntary starvation.

Calista Flockhart comes to mind in this(though she insists she has no eating disorder and is just naturally skinny. I grant her this claim; some people are...). I think she looks weird. When I first saw her on TV, I thought she looked alien-ish, even though I got used to her and liked her character.

[RevDahlia]

Yeah. It's gotta be our conditioning to "American" women. It can't possibly be that their hedz are more pasted on than a fucking "American" porn mag, could it?
I'd'a put it differently, but I agree. A lot of these pictures, especially the ones of warrenly's fiancee and Abe's latest, do look all kinds of photoshopped.

It adds another wrinkle to the whole thing... what if a guy mail-ordered a bride based on a hot picture, and it turned out that she didn't look at all like said picture? What would he do?

[RevDahlia]

http://www.russianbrides.com/GirlImages/55201-55400/55364LV-05.jpg
Take her, f'rinstance. The light sources on her head and body are quite different. If you cut-and-paste this picture into Photoshop and zoom in, her face is much more pixelated than her blouse. I also detect telltale signs of complexion correction in there, and the outline around her head is way harder than it would be if this were an unaltered shot.

[Beth]

Yes, I thought that picture looked weird, but I do not discount that some of them may naturally look weird.

[ApostateAbe]

Take her, f'rinstance. The light sources on her head and body are quite different. If you cut-and-paste this picture into Photoshop and zoom in, her face is much more pixelated than her blouse. I also detect telltale signs of complexion correction in there, and the outline around her head is way harder than it would be if this were an unaltered shot.I examined the picture in Photoshop, and I am seeing none of those things.

[Adora]

Then it must not be true!

[Beth]

Look, sometimes I can be a real bitch. I took Abe off my ignore list because he never deserved to be on it to begin with. I'm sorry Abe. Any sexism I see that you post I will comment on, But I have never seen you be a true creep to me. Please forgive me.


~Beth

[ApostateAbe]

Then it must not be true!That is strictly your sarcasm and not my conclusion, Adora.

[ApostateAbe]

Look, sometimes I can be a real bitch. I took Abe off my ignore list because he never deserved to be on it to begin with. I'm sorry Abe. Any sexism I see that you post I will comment on, But I have never seen you be a true creep to me. Please forgive me.


~BethThere is nothing to be sorry about. Note to everyone: Beth and I discussed this in PM.