Shake Bush's Hand?

[Crumb]

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Poll forthcoming...

[godfry n. glad]

Cooties! The man is a stupids vector!

[Plant Woman]

I would not shake the hand of the man that is responsible for the hundreds of thousands of deaths, all in the name of greed. He is a war criminal and should be impeached. So no, I would not shake the hand of George.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

For most situations, no. However, if, knowing this handshake were forthcoming, I had wiped my ass with my hand, I may compromise my principles for a greater moral gain.

[Sock Puppet]

I would hold out my hand, but then draw it back in a "PSYYYYYYYCH!!!" sort of move. It couldn't be too sudden or I'd get turned into Swiss cheese by the Secret Service, but then again, since it's Dumya, it's not like I'd have to be that swift about it.

[Caligulette]

I would do one of those handshakes which turns into a fabulous karate flip and ends with my foot on his neck for a change.

[Legs]

I do it to be polite.

[Master Taran]

If I had the grip strength that I did 25 years ago I would. Only cause I could have crushed his hand in less than 2 seconds. On accident of course.

[Stormlight]

I do it to be polite.

:yeahthat:

[ManM]

I do it to be polite.

:yeahthat:

:yeahthat:

[Joshua Adams]

No.

[curses]

I'd totally do one of those gang handshakes. And then kick him in the nuts. :cartman:

[wei yau]

It'd be rude not to shake his hand. And I'm not a rude person.

[Caligulette]

I think rudeness has its place. Seriously, I do.

[Plant Woman]

Is it really rude to decline to shake the hand of a man you consider a war criminal? I think it would be hypocritical for me to do so. For me it would feel like I was condoning his actions.

[Ensign Steve]

I'd do it to be polite. He used to be my boss, anyway.

[wei yau]

It's a handshake. To me, that's simply not akin to condoning his actions. It's a gesture used to greet one another.

[Ensign Steve]

It's a handshake. To me, that's simply not akin to condoning his actions. It's a gesture used to greet one another.

Exactly. How did George Carlin put it? "Leave symbols to the symbol-minded."

[godfry n. glad]

"Greetings. Why the fuck aren't you stamping out license plates in some penitentiary? I'm sorry you're not, because you should be. Don't touch me you slimy bumfuck liar."

[godfry n. glad]

It's a handshake. To me, that's simply not akin to condoning his actions. It's a gesture used to greet one another.

Originally, it was to show that one was not armed. The same effect can be had by holding both hands up, palms forward. I'd bet George would be a whole lot more comfortable with that.

It also used to be the means to seal an agreement....a man's handshake was his bond on a deal. Well, the Bushes have devalued that tradition to nothing...less than nothing, actually.

Particularly with chinks like you.

[godfry n. glad]

It'd be rude not to shake his hand. And I'm not a rude person.

Damn right it'd be rude. It's not like he hasn't earned the rudeness with his own. I don't think we need to list the extensive times which George W. Bush has been rude to the U.S. public....

[ChuckF]

My roommate and I had precisely this discussion, considering Bush, Nixon, Kissinger, and a variety of other historical figures.

I voted no. Neither would I shake the hand of Radovan Karadzic.

I hope none of the ladies present would be overcome by the vapours upon observing my social faux pas.

[wei yau]

Perhaps I simply don't invest as much in a handshake as others.

[yguy]

Is it really rude to decline to shake the hand of a man you consider a war criminal?No. However, accusing a sitting President of being a war criminal with zero evidence is quite a bit worse than rude, I daresay.

[ChuckF]

Is it slander? Is it treason? :giggle:

[yguy]

Is it slander? Is it treason? :giggle:Well I'm not to keen on the legal nuances of the question, but I think it can pretty safely be characterized as either or both.

You're welcome. :)

[godfry n. glad]

Is it really rude to decline to shake the hand of a man you consider a war criminal?No. However, accusing a sitting President of being a war criminal with zero evidence is quite a bit worse than rude, I daresay.


It was all over the international media. It was called "Shock and Awe." That was a war crime, pinhead.

Gitmo is filled with war crimes.

Abu Gharib was war crimes.

Day to day murders of civilians is war crimes.

Extraordinary rendition is war crimes.

He's in charge, that, by the Nuremburg Principles, elucidated by United States, British, French and Russian legal and military authorities, make it clear that he is responsible.

If you'd pull your head out of your asshole and actually read the documents which pertain and compare them to the actions ordered by the Commander-in-Chief and his functionaries in the U.S. military, you'd know that he should have stood trial as a war criminal at the International Military Tribunal in The Hague over five years ago.

[Plant Woman]

Ok, so I am rude for not wanting to shake the man's hand because I believe he is a war criminal with a lot of blood on his hands.

And I am rude for speaking the truth about the man.

So be it. Just call me RUDE!

[ChuckF]

Rude!

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Look at it this way, you dumb hippies: while shaking his hand, you could pull him a little bit closer and then spit in the face of the walking pile of diseased camel shit.

[godfry n. glad]

Look at it this way, you dumb hippies: while shaking his hand, you could pull him a little bit closer and then spit in the face of the walking pile of diseased camel shit.

"....and Secret Service agents wrestled the fat gay spitter to the ground. Rumors were that he would be handed over to the Westboro Baptist Church for 'reeducation'."

[ChuckF]

...as part of a federally funded faith-based initiative.

[livius drusus]

http://www.freethought-forum.com/livius/howrude.gif

[Dingfod]

I'm going for the "Psych!" option.

That said, one of the US Olympic Women's Softball team members left a chalk or dirt handprint on Bush's back (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7712777). She is known for doing that to members of opposing teams and teammates alike, still, it's cool that she did it to Bushleague.

[Legs]

http://www.prankplace.com/images/fun/handbuzzer_lrg.jpg

[godfry n. glad]

Rude!

Yeah. This is not new. For me, at least.

See my user title.

[Chris Porter]

Well, I might shake his hand if I could then pull out his shirt and clean my glasses with the tail. Then wipe my hand off.

But otherwise, I intend to be rude.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

And you think WBC would survive the attempt why?

[Watser?]

My roommate and I had precisely this discussion, considering Bush, Nixon, Kissinger, and a variety of other historical figures.

I voted no. Neither would I shake the hand of Radovan Karadzic.

I hope none of the ladies present would be overcome by the vapours upon observing my social faux pas.

Colonel whatshisface, the sorry excuse for a commander of the Dutch batallion in Srebrenica got a lot of flak for shaking hands with Ratko Mladic.

Personally I thought that wasn't as bad as the fact he had drinks with him while the Serbs were separating the men from the women.

[godfry n. glad]

And you think WBC would survive the attempt why?


Well, according to them, "because GAWD hates fags."

I wouldn't even put even money down on it, though.

[Chris Porter]

And you think WBC would survive the attempt why?

Simple. Enough people to enact suppression:

"Here one of the guinea-pigs cheered, and was immediately suppressed by the officers of the court. (As that is rather a hard word, I will just explain to you how it was done. They had a large canvas bag, which tied up at the mouth with strings: into this they slipped the guinea-pig, head first, and then sat upon it.)

'I'm glad I've seen that done,' thought Alice. 'I've so often read in the newspapers, at the end of trials, "There was some attempts at applause, which was immediately suppressed by the officers of the court," and I never understood what it meant till now.'"

[viscousmemories]

I voted 'no' but in fact I'd probably do it instinctively if the circumstance presented itself. I still feel a little guilty for refusing to shake Michigan Senator Carl Levin's hand when he came to visit my school. The only reason I had was a belief that all politicians are phony liars. I had no idea what the man stood for or what he might've accomplished. I still don't know much about him but I've heard some good things.

[Dingfod]

My roommate and I had precisely this discussion, considering Bush, Nixon, Kissinger, and a variety of other historical figures.

I voted no. Neither would I shake the hand of Radovan Karadzic.

I hope none of the ladies present would be overcome by the vapours upon observing my social faux pas.

Colonel whatshisface, the sorry excuse for a commander of the Dutch batallion in Srebrenica got a lot of flak for shaking hands with Ratko Mladic.

Personally I thought that wasn't as bad as the fact he had drinks with him while the Serbs were separating the men from the women.General Wesley Clark caught flak (not literally) for shaking some Serbian leader's hand, didn't he?

[godfry n. glad]

What I'm wondering is whether yguy would suck GWB's dick.

[yguy]

I believe he is a war criminal with a lot of blood on his hands. Then so is everyone who served under his command.

So have you spit on an Iraq War veteran today? :)the truthYou can't handle the truth...and unlike the movie character, you don't want it, either.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

What I'm wondering is whether yguy would suck GWB's dick.

What do you think he's doing when he's not posting here?

[Watser?]

I believe he is a war criminal with a lot of blood on his hands. Then so is everyone who served under his command.

So have you spit on an Iraq War veteran today? :)the truthYou can't handle the truth...and unlike the movie character, you don't want it, either.

No dumbass, it doesn't work that way. Even in Neurenberg they did not try all German soldiers, not even all SS.

Although some of them are in fact war criminals. That fucking phony holy veteran bullshit won't work on anybody outside the US anyway. And wtf, you declare them holy and then throw them to the lions as soon as they contradict your political point of view, I have seen the Republican attack dogs tear apart enough veterans by now.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

And wtf, you declare them holy and then throw them to the lions as soon as they contradict your political point of view, I have seen the Republican attack dogs tear apart enough veterans by now.

They don't even have to go that far: we make them all seek medical care at the VA, and their families are on food stamps while they're off shooting and being shot at.

[godfry n. glad]

Yeah, Walter Reed is the pride of the Veteran's Administration.

:facepalm:

This administration has sent more troops into conflicts without adequate protection than any in my memory. Which is one reason there is an active segment of both the current military and, more clearly and openly, amongst veterans of Iraqscam, who are actively against this war, this president, his secretaries of "defense", and the plans of the lickspittal military sycophants. Particularly when private contractors are pulling down beaucoup bucks and the grunts who are there "for their country" are being pissed upon.

Support our troops in Iraq.

BRING.

THEM.

HOME.

Then, while they are at it, cut off all funding to "security firms", "military support contractors" and any private company awarded a "no-bid contract" to provide goods or services to anyone in Iraq.

[Plant Woman]

They don't call Trippler Hospital in Hawaii, Crippler, just for fun.

I would rather hold all the returned veterans' hands, out of harm's way, instead of fighting a war for greed in Iraq and being killed. I would also rather see them get better medical care than what they are receiving and better treatment for those injured. How many suicides are also attributed to the military ignoring the condition some of these men return and deny them benefits for mental problems. Nope, not shaking the hand of a man that is responsible for war crimes and mistreatment of the men he sends over to fight his dirty, greedy battles.

[yguy]

I would rather hold all the returned veterans' hands, out of harm's way, How very compassionate, I'm sure. The vast majority of them would be plenty satisfied if you would merely refrain from slandering them for doing the job they VOLUNTEERED to do.Nope, not shaking the hand of a man that is responsible for war crimesBut holding hands with "war criminals" is no problem, right?

:rolleyes:

[BracesForImpact]

A handshake is a greeting, but refusing a handshake also sends a clear signal. In this case, it says "I know you by your reputation, and I don't feel you are even worthy of a greeting or acknowledgment of any sort." In other words, you consider him beneath contempt.

So considering all that, I would hope I had the guts and moral integrity not to shake his hand. So I voted "no". I can easily understand why others who also consider Bush beneath contempt would shake his hand though, and I cannot fault them for it.

[Qingdai]

I do it to be polite.

You are soooo Canadian!

[brikenjon]

I would shake his hand out of respect for his office, if nothing else. He's still the President, regardless of whether he's done right by the country or not.

[Naru]

In other words, you consider him beneath contempt.

I actually consider GWB very very worth of contempt :shrug:

[Nullifidian]

I'd give him a "terrorist fist jab" :unnod:

...and then a kick in the nuts.

[MonCapitan2002]

I wouldn't shake the man's hand with someone's else's corpse's hand.

[MonCapitan2002]

It's a handshake. To me, that's simply not akin to condoning his actions. It's a gesture used to greet one another.

Originally, it was to show that one was not armed. The same effect can be had by holding both hands up, palms forward. I'd bet George would be a whole lot more comfortable with that.

It also used to be the means to seal an agreement....a man's handshake was his bond on a deal. Well, the Bushes have devalued that tradition to nothing...less than nothing, actually.

Particularly with ****** like you.
Is that why it was considered taboo to offer the left hand to shake?

[Ensign Steve]

Cap, does your computer edit out the slurs, or did you do that by hand?

What if a knight had chinks in his armor?

[Stormlight]

No. However, accusing a sitting President of being a war criminal with zero evidence is quite a bit worse than rude, I daresay.

:troll::halftroll: out of 5. Lame.

[Janet]

I would do it if I had one of those hand buzzers that kill like the Jack Nicholson Joker had.

[MonCapitan2002]

Cap, does your computer edit out the slurs, or did you do that by hand?

What if a knight had chinks in his armor?
I did it by hand. I would rather not keep such a slur in a quote that would appear in my post. That is the extent of my commentary on the slur. While I won't bitch about him using it, that does not mean I would tacitly endorse its use by leaving it in a quote unedited.

[godfry n. glad]

It's a handshake. To me, that's simply not akin to condoning his actions. It's a gesture used to greet one another.

Originally, it was to show that one was not armed. The same effect can be had by holding both hands up, palms forward. I'd bet George would be a whole lot more comfortable with that.

It also used to be the means to seal an agreement....a man's handshake was his bond on a deal. Well, the Bushes have devalued that tradition to nothing...less than nothing, actually.

Particularly with ****** like you.
Is that why it was considered taboo to offer the left hand to shake?

No...I don't think so.

I suspect that comes from the Middle Eastern world where the right hand is used for eating, while the left is for wiping your ass. The left hand is the toilet hand. In some places in the world, it's rude to wave with one's left hand. Just think about the left-handed born into such a world.

Right hand is 'dextrous', so being ambidextrous is 'both right handed'.

Left hand is 'sinistrous' (or 'sinister', our source for that world). And, of course, in some traditions of christianity, Jesus sits on the right hand of the divine throne, while on the left hand is the accuser, Satan.

[Dingfod]

I think Dr. Strangelove's evil hand was his right hand.

[Watser?]

Of course, you can't make the nazi salute with your left hand.

[godfry n. glad]

Of course, you can't make the nazi salute with your left hand.


Really?

Why is that?

Would it be rude?

[Watser?]

It's rude either way.

It wouldn't be a nazi salute, innit?

[Dingfod]

* Dingfod would, without conscious thought, rub Bush's feet (referencing a dream documented here before an upgrade deleted the journals).

[Legs]

Shake his hand?

[erimir]

Awww, poor Bushie.
I voted 'no' but in fact I'd probably do it instinctively if the circumstance presented itself.:yeahthat:

Except I voted other. I'm not as good at being confrontational in person as I am online. But seeing multiple world leaders conspicuously snub him for a handshake makes me feel better about it, so I might be able to resist.

[Legs]

He wasn't extending his hand either, his eyes were cast downwards and it's almost like he was avoiding an embarrassing snub by not offering his hand first.

[yguy]

<snip vid>The snub that wasn't

[erimir]

Hm. Well imagine that. yguy was right about something, in that he can in fact link to proper news sources.

[Watser?]

That CNN bitch has such a HORRIBLE voice. How the hell did she ever get a job in tv? I can't listen to her, I always start zapping when she's on.

[Kael]

I would likely shake his hand, for a few reasons. Partly simply because of the office he holds. I've never had the chance to shake the hand of a President, I don't think I would pass it up no matter which President it was. Partly out of courtesy. Partly out of habit.

Sorry for not jumping on the Hate Bush bandwagon. Does that mean I can't hang around the water cooler anymore?

[erimir]

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

I'd be torn between the "snubbing Bush cuz I don't like him" impulse and the "I'll probably never get to shake another president's hand" impulse.

[Clutch Munny]

I would likely shake his hand, for a few reasons... I've never had the chance to shake the hand of a President

But you've had the chance to blow off a handshake from a President?

The not shaking makes a much better story. Thousands of people have got to shake his hand. How many have been able to publicly snub him?

Of course, this assumes that the starfucker factor is the only one in play. If you admire the man, or respect the "office" no matter what fucking criminal moron nation-destroying shitbag occupies it, that would confound things.

[Dingfod]

I've changed my mind, I think I could shake Bush's hand, but only to provide a firm anchor for kicking him in the butt.