ST:TOS purists, this is our thread!

[Ensign Steve]

Okay, everybody likes to talk about how the original series is the best Star Trek series. Well, I'm finally getting around to watching season one, and here's the thread where I listen to myself talk about it. Feel free to chime in.

I totally thought Mudd's Women (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68668.html) were andriods. What was I on?! Is that a later episode? The next episode, What Are Little Girls Made Of? (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68680.html) (a silly title if you ask me, as only one of the five androids was female), has androids, but it's still not the episode I was thinking of. I remember Kirk walking into a room with a whole bunch of half-finished female androids lying on tables, and I swear Mudd was there. Am I trippin'?

[pescifish]

I remember androids as well.

But I hunted around that website you link above and found the I, Mudd (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68742.html) episode in Season Two that looks to be the one I had in mind.

Nice little reference to Asimov's I, Robot in the title of that episode.

[Ensign Steve]

Eureka! You have found it! I didn't venture past season one on the website, because that's the only DVD set I own. Duh, me! (PS: I'm pretty sure it's a reference to I, Borg on TNG, though. Temporal paradox or something... yeah.)

I'm learning a lot from this web site. Not that this is the first time I've visted it by any means, but it is the first time I've delved so deeply into TOS. My favorites are the promotions. Yeoman Janice Rand became CPO Rand in time for the first motion picture, and was a Commander in time for The Voyage Home. Go Janice! Also, Nurse Chapel was a doctor in time for the feature films. These are some motivated women! And I got confirmation on Majel Barrett's having portrayed "Number One" for The Cage. NEAT STUFF!

I'm torn between watching the show and poking around on the site. Looks like I've got the motion pictures to watch while I'm at it. Last time I watched The Wrath of Kahn, I fell asleep, and last time I watched The Undiscovered Country, I was completely hammered (damn you, beer trek!).

[Crumb]

Trek geeks :rolleye2:

[Ymir's blood]

The biggest thing to remember about TOS is that it had to operate on a small budget. However like several other low budget sci fi (Doctor Who being a good example) it suceeds, not despite this, but in many ways because of it. The writers couldn't just fall into the more modern trap of relying on special effects to carry an episode.

My favorite thing about the show was that it managed to include a lot of good messages on racism and culture without being overly preachy. (Excepting Kirk's soliquies on the inherent nobility of mankind, of course.) I also have to admit an inherent 'cool' factor, though that may be due to having grown up watching it. The 'fight theme' is just classic. I almost died when Futurama used it as the national anthem of Dr. Zoidberg's planet.

My favorite episodes were I, Mudd; The Devil in the Dark; and Balance of Terror. Any of the appearance of the sneaky original Klingons are good as well.

Least favorite episodes would be And the Children Shall Lead; Specter of the Gun.

Mudd was a cool character, as was the similar trader who appeared in Trouble With Tribbles.

[livius drusus]

Hey! No surly comments from the peanut gallery. If you don't have love for the Trek geeks stay out of their threads, dammit. :hmph:

[Crumb]

:goodbye:

[The Lone Ranger]

Nice little reference to Asimov's I, Robot in the title of that episode.

The writers for TOS were a literate bunch, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if "I, Mudd" was intended as a nod to I, Robot. I'm guessing that it was at least as much a nod to Robert Graves' I, Claudius though.

Cheers,

Michael

[Seven of Nine]

I love this song! Does this mean I'm not a purist? :chin:
http://sevenofnine.cherrytaco.com/Star_Trek_Sound_Files/Trek_Novelty_Sound_Files/strhaps.mp3

[Ensign Steve]

That is way cute!

[Seven of Nine]

That is way cute!

I was hoping you would like it, Ensign. :)

I have more, but I don't think I have any more that are TOS.

Well, I do have Nichelle Nichols singing the TOS theme.
Who knew there were words to that???

[livius drusus]

I second Ensign's emotion. Sulu's lines are definitely my favorites. :thumbup:

[Ensign Steve]

That is way cute!

I was hoping you would like it, Ensign. :)

I have more, but I don't think I have any more that are TOS.

Well, I do have Nichelle Nichols singing the TOS theme.
Who knew there were words to that???

I had no idea!! gimme! gimme! gimme!

liv, do you still have the link to those weirdo sites with the techno music and the tiled pictures of Patrick Stewart? Who was it who linked those orginally?

[The Lone Ranger]

Well, I do have Nichelle Nichols singing the TOS theme.
Who knew there were words to that???

Oh please, for the love of humanity, no! They're simply awful!


Speaking of Star Trek-related music, there was a terrific TOS-related song called "He's Scotty" that one of the local radio stations put out when I was in college. It was sung to the tune of Victoria Beckham's "Venus," and included voice clips. I called the local radio station and tried to get a copy of it, but they wouldn't cooperate. Dang! If, by any chance, anyone knows of it and where I could get a copy, I'd be ever so grateful. Heck, I still remember all the words!


He's Scotty

He works on the Enterprise [Scotty: "Engineer Scott here."]
Engineering is his game. [Scotty: "Main engines, full power."]
It should come as no surprise [Scotty: "Prepare for warp drive."]
"Scotty" is his name. [Scotty: "Full speed ahead, sir.]

He's Scotty [Scotty: "Aye, sir?"]
Yeah baby, he's Scotty. [Scotty: "If I do say so myself, the engines are purrin' like a kitten, sir."]
Well, Mars or Venus, phasers fire at his desire
Yeah, he's a pistol with his little dilithium crystal!

Spock has little pointy ears
Sulu never sounds Chinese [Sulu: "Hi there."]
Alien girls love Captain Kirk [Alien Girl: "Please teach me: what is a kiss?"]
Bones has gone berserk! [McCoy: "Dammit, Jim!"]

Well Scotty [Scotty: "Aye, Sir?"]
Yeah baby, where's Scotty? [Scotty: "I'm in the transporter room, Sir. Energizing now."]
Yeah, he's a pistol with his little dilithium crystal
Mars or Venus, phasers fire at his desire!

[Scotty: "I've pushed her all the way, Sir!"]
[Scotty: "I've got an hour of power at the most!"]
[Scotty: "The matter/antimatter reactors are going into overload!"]
[Scotty: "I can't change the laws of physics, Captain!"]

Klingons ready to attack [Uhuru: "Hailing frequencies open, Captain."]
Food supply is running short [McCoy: "Dammit, Jim!"]
Kirk has gotta have warp drive [Chekhov: "Warp factor 2, Keptin."]
Please engine room report! [Scotty: "Engineer Scott, here."]

Well Scotty
Yeah baby, he's Scotty.
Mars or Venus, phasers fire at his desire
Yeah, he's a pistol with his little dilithium crystal!

Scotty was his name!

[Scotty: "Full power, Sir -- let's punch a hole through 'er!"]
[Scotty: "Get down and get funky, Captain."]
[Scotty: "Jam on it, Sir."]
[Scotty: "Aye, Sir!"]



Funny stuff.

Cheers,

Michael

[SharonDee]

Speaking of Star Trek-related music, there was a terrific TOS-related song called "He's Scotty" that one of the local radio stations put out when I was in college. It was sung to the tune of Victoria Beckham's "Venus," and included voice clips. I. must. hear. that! I wish you luck in securing a copy of it. And if we are to talk about spoof songs, we must include Star Trekkin' (http://home.wanadoo.nl/~sytze/sttrekkin/).

"We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill..."

[Seven of Nine]

Speaking of Star Trek-related music, there was a terrific TOS-related song called "He's Scotty" that one of the local radio stations put out when I was in college. It was sung to the tune of Victoria Beckham's "Venus," and included voice clips. I. must. hear. that! I wish you luck in securing a copy of it.

I'd love to hear it, too!

And if we are to talk about spoof songs, we must include Star Trekkin' (http://home.wanadoo.nl/~sytze/sttrekkin/).

"We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill..."

I love it! Thanks, Sharon. :D

This isn't a song, but I'm thinking that no Dr. McCoy fan should miss out on this little gem:
http://sevenofnine.cherrytaco.com/Star_Trek_Sound_Files/TOS/Bones_they'realldeadjim.wav

and here's the Theme from Star Trek (Don't click on it, Lone Ranger!):
http://sevenofnine.cherrytaco.com/Star_Trek_Sound_Files/Trek_Novelty_Sound_Files/Nichols_Uhuru_Theme_from_Star_Trek.mp3
I'm sorry to say that the fidelity's pretty low. :(

[livius drusus]

liv, do you still have the link to those weirdo sites with the techno music and the tiled pictures of Patrick Stewart? Who was it who linked those orginally?

Oh woops. Sorry, JD. I missed this until Seven took a painstick to me. I'm afraid I haven't the foggiest idea what sites you mean. :stoopid:

[Ensign Steve]

I swear I'm not making it up!

[Seven of Nine]

liv, do you still have the link to those weirdo sites with the techno music and the tiled pictures of Patrick Stewart? Who was it who linked those orginally?

Oh woops. Sorry, JD. I missed this until Seven took a painstick to me. I'm afraid I haven't the foggiest idea what sites you mean. :stoopid:

I most certainly did not. I reminded liv in the civil, efficient manner appropriate to ones social secretary. :7of9:

However, had I beaten her with a pain stick, it might have improved her recall...


I have one Patrick Stewart joke file:
http://sevenofnine.cherrytaco.com/Star_Trek_Sound_Files/Trek_Novelty_Sound_Files/status.mp3

[Seven of Nine]

This isn't a song, but I'm thinking that no Dr. McCoy fan should miss out on this little gem:
http://sevenofnine.cherrytaco.com/Star_Trek_Sound_Files/TOS/Bones_they'realldeadjim.wav


I don't know how I screwed this link up last time, but I'm going to get it right this time...somehow.

http://sevenofnine.cherrytaco.com/Star_Trek_Sound_Files/TOS/Bones_they'realldeadjim.mp3

[Ensign Steve]

Hey, Seven, that's a good one! :clap:

I watched "The Conscience of the King" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68686.html) (ep 13) today. That was a really good dramatic episode that was actually not science-fictiony at all. I give it two thumbs up!

[Seven of Nine]

Hey, Seven, that's a good one! :clap:

I was hoping you would like it! :D


I watched "The Conscience of the King" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68686.html) (ep 13) today. That was a really good dramatic episode that was actually not science-fictiony at all. I give it two thumbs up!

You're breaking my heart, Jen! I have no Trek shows available to me right now whatsoever. Nada. Zilch.

[Ensign Steve]

Do you mean you have no original series Trek shows available to you? Or you don't have any Trek shows at all?!?! If it is the latter, it is you who are breaking my heart! Spike TV shows two hours of DS9 followed by two hours of TNG every weekday from 11 - 3, though, if you are desperate!

*hugs seven* That's just not right!

[Ensign Steve]

Okay, ST : TOS purists, show thyselves! I need help with "Balance of Terror" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68678.html) (ep 9). I tried twice to watch it today. The first time I fell asleep (not because it was especially boring, but just because I was being lazy on the couch), and the second time my dog distracted me so I couldn't pay it much attention. I decided not to watch it a third time, so tell me, am I missing anything? I know it is the first ep with the Romulans, and I got to see the big reveal, which was cool. But after that it just seemed like a whole lot of back-n-forth with the battle strategy between the two commanders (who eventually end up "friends" right before the Romulan offs himself). I know it's supposed to be a classic, but the back-n-forth really wasn't doing it for me, especially having just watched "The Carbomite Maneuver" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68666.html) (ep 10) yesterday, which had some more of the self same back-n-forth, but with a cool twist ending, a creepy fake alien, and Clint Howard. Maybe back in the day Romulans were cool aliens, but I'm kinda burnt out on them. Plus I couldn't wait to skip ahead and see "Shore Leave" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68694.html) (ep 17). ;)

[The Lone Ranger]

Okay, ST : TOS purists, show thyselves! I need help with "Balance of Terror" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68678.html) (ep 9). I tried twice to watch it today. The first time I fell asleep (not because it was especially boring, but just because I was being lazy on the couch), and the second time my dog distracted me so I couldn't pay it much attention. I decided not to watch it a third time, so tell me, am I missing anything? I know it is the first ep with the Romulans, and I got to see the big reveal, which was cool. But after that it just seemed like a whole lot of back-n-forth with the battle strategy between the two commanders (who eventually end up "friends" right before the Romulan offs himself). I know it's supposed to be a classic, but the back-n-forth really wasn't doing it for me, especially having just watched "The Carbomite Maneuver" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68666.html) (ep 10) yesterday, which had some more of the self same back-n-forth, but with a cool twist ending, a creepy fake alien, and Clint Howard. Maybe back in the day Romulans were cool aliens, but I'm kinda burnt out on them. Plus I couldn't wait to skip ahead and see "Shore Leave" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68694.html) (ep 17). ;)

"Balance of Terror" is my all-time favorite episode of any Trek series! (Personally, I think the Romulans are much more interesting and believable aliens than the Klingons -- especially the idiotic Next-Gen era Klingons, but I digress.)

There are lots of reasons, mostly boiling down to that it's so well-written.

The Romulans are portrayed as complex and distinct individuals, each with his own motivations. They are portrayed as having a distinct code of honour and a sense of patriotism, so their actions are perfectly understandable, and you wind up feeling truly sympathetic toward them -- particularly the Centurian and the Commander.

This is (sadly), one of the few episodes in which the writers got it right when it comes to portraying the Enterprise as a warship defending the frontiers of the Federation and Kirk as a truly capable and even brilliant commander. So often, we hear characters saying Kirk is a great captain, but his actions make it clear that he's not. But in this episode, you can easily believe that Kirk's reputation is well-earned: he's decisive, quick-thinking, shrewd, and a brilliant tactician [notice that Kirk and the Romulan Commander are executing their tactics in 3 dimensions -- how often do you see spacecraft taking advantage of the fact that they have 3 degrees of freedom in their movements in a typical sci-fi movie or tv show?].

Nor do the writers shirk from pointing out that war comes at a high cost -- people die, and we don't just hear about it offscreen. They're well-developed characters whom we actually care about, not anonymous "Redshirts."

Granted, the "bigotry is bad" subplot was a bit heavy-handed by today's standards (but remember, this was 1966, when that was a daring stand for a mainstream television show to take!), but I just love this episode.

If only all of the episodes were so well-written, with such complex, well-developed, and sympathetic characters!

Cheers,

Michael


[Incidentally, if you liked "The Corbomite Maneuver," pay careful attention when you watch "The Deadly Years." You'll see a neat little example of how clever Kirk can be. Watch for Sulu's knowing smile -- a very nice touch, that.]

[Ensign Steve]

Aw, crap! Now I have to watch it. Seriously, thanks for the review, Michael. You confirmed what I already knew, that it was one of the best episodes. I am enthusiastic to watch it now. Maybe I'll wait until the dog's asleep (and I'm awake!) so I can give it the attention it deserves.

Chew on this: You know how the "bad guy" turns out to be not so bad after all. Just another regular guy like the good guy, but born to the other side. That kind of crazy liberal thinking might not even fly so well today as it did in the sixites. Ya think?

Thanks for the tip about "The Deadly Years." I'll keep my eyes open.

[The Lone Ranger]

Chew on this: You know how the "bad guy" turns out to be not so bad after all. Just another regular guy like the good guy, but born to the other side. That kind of crazy liberal thinking might not even fly so well today as it did in the sixites. Ya think?

Sadly, you're probably correct. In the current political climate, I'm not sure the suggestion that "The Enemy" might be honourable and even admirable would be particularly welcome.

Cheers,

Michael

"He's dead, Jim. You grab his tricorder, and I'll get his wallet."

[pescifish]

"He's dead, Jim. You grab his tricorder, and I'll get his wallet."
:giggle:

[Seven of Nine]

Do you mean you have no original series Trek shows available to you? Or you don't have any Trek shows at all?!?! If it is the latter, it is you who are breaking my heart! Spike TV shows two hours of DS9 followed by two hours of TNG every weekday from 11 - 3, though, if you are desperate!

I adore TNG and Voyager, which makes me question if I qualify to post here. ;)
My deep love of TOS comes from watching it as a new network show on which truly amazing things could happen, such as the first interracial kiss, and an interracial crew, with both an American and a Russian (these were heavy Cold War years).
If women didn't get the ultimate fair shake until Voyager, it was hardly Gene Roddenberry's fault: his first choice of actor to play the captain of the Enterprise was Majel Barrett.


*hugs seven* That's just not right!

It sucks! They're showing restored versions of TOS on the Sci-Fi channel, too, but I had to pare down my cable to basic due to financial problems, and the WB channel here has stopped showing even its cut versions of VOY.
I'm just SOL. I'm jonesing here, Ensign. :sadcheer:

[Seven of Nine]

:Seven of Nine hailing TOS fans:

Hey! I've got a gazillion Trek sound files and images, so if you don't come back soon to post the good stuff, I swear I'll use them! I'll bump this thread for a year if I have to, in oder to read more cool posts.
Your fair warning has been duly issued! :whup:

:Seven out:

[The Lone Ranger]

:Seven of Nine hailing TOS fans:

Hey! I've got a gazillion Trek sound files and images, so if you don't come back soon to post the good stuff, I swear I'll use them! I'll bump this thread for a year if I have to, in oder to read more cool posts.
Your fair warning has been duly issued! :whup:

:Seven out:

Spock is always going on about how such-and-such an action is or is not "logical." But whether or not an action is logical depends upon your desires.

If I desire to kill someone, then the perfectly logical thing to do is point a phaser at him or her and pull the trigger. This does not make it the right or the moral thing to do.


My point? Half the time Spock says something is or is not "logical" he's just blowing hot air. Okay, here is an example to clarify the point:

"To hunt a species to extinction is not logical."
-- Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Spock is making several unspoken assumptions here. Indeed, it would be perfectly logical to hunt a species to extinction, if one considered that species a threat to our own existence, for example. (The World Health Organization has deliberately targeted the bacterium Mycobacterium tuberculosis, which causes tuberculosis, for extinction. Will anyone shed a tear or bemoan the "illogic" of doing so should we succeed in rendering the species extinct?)

Discussion?

Cheers,

Michael

[Ensign Steve]

I finished season one over the last couple of days. "Devil in the Dark" and "Operation: Annihilate!" have always been among my least favorite episodes. Talk about hunting species to extinction! On the plus side, I got to watch "The City on the Edge of Forever" and "Space Seed." Now I have three hours worth of bonus documentaries to check out. w00t!

[The Lone Ranger]

I finished season one over the last couple of days. "Devil in the Dark" and "Operation: Annihilate!" have always been among my least favorite episodes. Talk about hunting species to extinction! On the plus side, I got to watch "The City on the Edge of Forever" and "Space Seed." Now I have three hours worth of bonus documentaries to check out. w00t!

I like "Devil in the Dark," but it's not nearly so good after you know the "surprise ending," I'm sure. "Operation: Annihilate!" has never been one of my favorites, though. (If you've ever seen the blooper tapes, there's an outtake from that episode in which one of the parasites leaps up and attaches itself to Mr. Spock's ... er ... hindquarters, shall we say. Nimoy's reaction is priceless.)

"The City on the Edge of Forever" and "Space Seed" are both excellent. I've read Harlan Ellison's original version: yes, it's quite a good story, but it is most-definitely not Star Trek. (It has Engineering crewmembers dealing drugs and other such completely non-ST stuff.) Ellison threw a hissy fit because his script was rewritten, but honestly, if he's going to butcher the characters in such a way, he has no business complaining, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Michael

[Jake1688]

To The Lone Ranger, and anyone else who is interested, I have searched long and hard for the Star Trek parody of Venus, titled "He's Scotty." I actually found it on my old mini cassette I used when I was in school. I happened to have it handy when "He's Scotty" came on the radio one time. The quality isn't the greatest and its not all of the song (probably about 2/3) but anyone interested in hearing it, email me at firepants49343@yahoo.com and I can send you a copy of it. Its a wav and Windows Media plays it no prob. Thanks

[Kyuss Apollo]

I can convert that to an mp3 and post it to my box account just like the tune in my sig.

Email one to me (mailto:kyussapollo@gmail.com) Jake and I will hook us all up :spock:

[Godwhacker]

I have to agree that Balance of Terror is a classic, along with Corbomite Maneuver, and Trouble with Tribbles.

For pure camp, Gamesters of Triskellion rules! I can watch Angelique Pettyjohn in her steel bikini all day long...

I think my favorite episodes, however, are "Mirror, mirror" and "The Doomsday Machine". The former has too many good lines ("I found one quit sufficient" I still use to this day), and the latter has you on the edge of your seat all the way through.

BTW, there is some press that Patrick Stewart is jonesin' for a role on the new Doctor Who...

[Kyuss Apollo]

For camp runner-up awards, we must not forget "Spock's Brain" and "The Enemy Within."


Brain and brain! What is brain?!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zue3kDE8bwM


I AM CAPTAIN KIRK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kieg8y265C0

[Ensign Steve]

Spock's Brain was my favorite ep when I was but a wee lass just beginning to dip my toe into the ocean that is my current obsession.

I watched the Tholian Web a few days ago. I am totally impressed at the attention to detail the Enterprise (tv show) crew put into their Mirror eps to maintain continuity with TTW. You're supposed to watch those eps back to back, but I haven't gotten around to that.

[California Tanker]

Did Next Gen ever do an episode in the Mirror universe? Enterprise did, DS9 did, and I have a vague recollection of one in Voyager, but I could be wrong.

NTM

[Kyuss Apollo]

I don't recall that they ever did any "Mirror Mirror" updates on TNG, though more than a few episodes from S1 TNG seemed to be TOS retreads.

I must say that the remastered TOS episodes have some real curb appeal. So far my favorite re-do was The Doomsday Machine. The shot where Decker takes the Enterprise on a phaser-strafing run and as it swoops in low along the hull you can see that neutronium son-of-a-bitch going on for miles...

Fucking A.

[Ensign Steve]

No, there was never a mirror ep of TNG or VOY.

I haven't seen any of the revamped eps. I'll have to keep my eye out. Did you see them on regular tv, or on the disk?

[Kyuss Apollo]

Somehow (http://www.mininova.org/tor/585563) the Doomsday Machine was transformed into little millions of tiny pieces of information that were then transmitted wirelessly through space and into my computer which reassembled it and voila!

[Ensign Steve]

Wow, that's like something out of science fiction!

[Kyuss Apollo]

Idn't technology just AMAZING?! It's just like the future!

[wei yau]

I'm not an ST:TOS purist, but thought that those of you who are might want to check this out:

The Menagerie: Special Event (http://www.fathomevents.com/details.aspx?eventid=685)

[Dingfod]

The Trek Expo 2007 (http://www.trekexpo.net/) is going on right now at the hotel across the street from my workplace. It seems to be Comic-Con, Star Trek, and general Sci-Fi oriented. I mean, for instance, KITT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KITT)is in the lobby, talking to visitors.

[livius drusus]

Oh man... Somebody hold Sharon back.

[SharonDee]

I mean, for instance, KITT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KITT)is in the lobby, talking to visitors.Ohh, man ... !

:KITT:

Gimme, gimme, gimme ...!

:eager:

[Dingfod]

Crap! I only killed :ff: for 42 minutes. I was going for an hour.

[plusos]

I actually have the song "He's Scotty" ripped to an MP3. If you're interested, I can email it to you. It's about 3MB. Let me know.

[Farren]

OK I resisted for as long as I could but I just had to reply to the Lone Ranger's earlier post on Spock. Warning: this post is for TLR. Contents may upset ST fans

Spock's "logic" was one of the many reasons I decided, in my early teens, that Star Drek was crap. Too serious about itself to be pure space opera, SW-style, and too ill-thought out to be entertaining in the thought-provoking manner of some more cerebral sci-fi. When the "smart" character constantly says things that are stupid enough for a kid to figure out they're stupid, its difficult (for me at least) to suspend disbelief. Spock was like the doctor in Heroes, a supposedly erudite and rational character who's utterances are so at odds with their fictional role that they make immersion in the fictional world they occupy impossible.


ETA: For TLR's eyes only! I don't want to make the whole thread all negative, honest! Just don't click on the spoiler, m'kay? Fight the compulsion!

[Stormlight]

Contents may upset ST fans

Indeed. :shakepug:

[Dingfod]

Illogical.

[Sock Puppet]

To hate a television show for clumsy scripting is most illogical.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

To hate a television show for clumsy scripting is most illogical.

And yet season 2 of Lost is seriously making me ill.

[SharonDee]

To hate a television show for clumsy scripting is most illogical.

And yet season 2 of Lost is seriously making me ill.Oh, Uthgar! You poor thing. Quick, skip directly to Season Three. No wait, scratch that. Skip to the last half of Season Three. It's better there. Really.

Oops .. um. Star Trek. Yeah.

Did I ever mention I was never a fan of this franchise until I saw Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan? 'Tis true; I hardly knew what the whole ST:TOS was about until, inspired by this movie, I started paying attention to the TV episodes.

Also, I bought the Star Trek (season one) in HD-DVD before Toshiba gave up the fight. I have been enjoying the cleaned up episodes.

[Dingfod]

The best part of Lost is at the end, you know, when it's over.

[Zehava]

The best part of Lost is at the end, you know, when it's over.

:rofl:

[The Lone Ranger]

I actually have the song "He's Scotty" ripped to an MP3. If you're interested, I can email it to you. It's about 3MB. Let me know.

Welcome to the FF, plusos! There's an "Introductions thread" (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370) where you can introduce yourself, if you like.

Personally, I'd love to get an mp3 of "He's Scotty".

Cheers,

Michael