I am doing it again

[LadyShea]

Why can't I just lay off and ignore some of these people rather than arguing with them?

[Ex-zombie]

The reason: Iron fist in a velvet glove. :D

I understand that this is irritating you right now. However, I learn alot from the discussions you get into and appreciate your input.

[LadyShea]

That voting thread is driving me nuts, as is the thread on the Boeing CEO and "gender inequality".

:whup:

[Brimshack]

It's hard, but sometimes you gotta walk away. I look at it this way, if some schmuck manages to get me to repeat the same argument more than twice because he's not listening, then I'm the idiot for letting him waste my time. I've let lots of people waste my time by continually trying to reach them when they werem't even trying. Now, I will make one extra try. If someone doesn't seem to be listening, I'm out. It's painful, but it's a lot better than wasting hours and hours on people who aren't even reading your posts.

[livius drusus]

I haven't tackled the voting thread (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=117654) but I thought you were quite calm and reasonable in the gender equality thread (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=117973). Your high degree of frustration wasn't particularly showing through there, imo.

I thought for sure you must have come across the latest Genghis (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/member.php?u=22949) in a thread I hadn't read yet.

[LadyShea]

I haven't tackled the voting thread (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=117654) but I thought you were quite calm and reasonable in the gender equality thread (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=117973).
Your high degree of frustration wasn't particularly showing through there, imo.

Thanks, I felt I was way overboard, but maybe i was just feeling it so read my words as stronger than they appear to others.

I thought for sure you must have come across the latest Genghis (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/member.php?u=22949) in a thread I hadn't read yet.

Hmm, never even heard of him, time to go read his shit and get frustrated.

[Ensign Steve]

I thought for sure you must have come across the latest Genghis (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/member.php?u=22949) in a thread I hadn't read yet.

Hmm, never even heard of him, time to go read his shit and get frustrated.

:scratch: Are you being facetious?

Anyway, relax! Make Frankie give you a shoulder rub.

[LadyShea]

I thought for sure you must have come across the latest Genghis (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/member.php?u=22949) in a thread I hadn't read yet.

Hmm, never even heard of him, time to go read his shit and get frustrated.
:scratch: Are you being facetious?

Anyway, relax! Make Frankie give you a shoulder rub.

I have heard of Genghis....I had never heard of the guy she linked to that she is calling a Genghis.

Frankie is at work. Maybe that's why I am so grumpy all the time. I get lonely and bored.

[Ensign Steve]

Oh, my bad! I read it as, "the latest Genghis thread."

Edit, no wonder he's fucked up. He's from So Cal. ;)

[BigBlue2]

Why can't I just lay off and ignore some of these people rather than arguing with them?
'Cuz you're feisty which is what makes you sexy.

[Shake]

FYI to those who might not know: Genghis was a poster who got edited a lot for posting pictures of underage girls who were scantily clad and/or in suggestive poses. I just looked at his recent posts and didn't see anything Genghis-like at first, and then I noticed where a couple of posts had been edited to remove offending images. They've left his most recent one up, in which the girl, while half-nude, isn't really showing anything, and certainly looks (to me, anyway) to be of age.

'Cuz you're feisty which is what makes you sexy.
She's* sexy even when she isn't being feisty!

*she = LadyShea

[BigBlue2]

That voting thread is driving me nuts, as is the thread on the Boeing CEO and "gender inequality".

:whup:
The "Boeing CEO/gender inequality" thread was started by Derec (ex-UMoC). What did you expect? A reasonable discussion?

[LadyShea]

The "Boeing CEO/gender inequality" thread was started by Derec (ex-UMoC). What did you expect? A reasonable discussion?

Oh of course not because such an expectation would be completely unreasonable. It's just that Derec is one of those people I simply cannot lay off of...I can't ignore him or just brush him off as a lost cause. I think I have a pathology of some kind.

[livius drusus]

You two have a symbiotic pathology. He wraps himself in your posts like they're toasty electric blankets.

[TomJoe]

It's hard, but sometimes you gotta walk away. I look at it this way, if some schmuck manages to get me to repeat the same argument more than twice because he's not listening, then I'm the idiot for letting him waste my time. I've let lots of people waste my time by continually trying to reach them when they werem't even trying. Now, I will make one extra try. If someone doesn't seem to be listening, I'm out. It's painful, but it's a lot better than wasting hours and hours on people who aren't even reading your posts.

Eh?

[Clutch Munny]

That voting thread is driving me nuts, as is the thread on the Boeing CEO and "gender inequality".

:whup:

Huh, different perceptions. I thought we kicked UMoC's ass pretty comprehensively, and he mostly climbed back in his box.

[LadyShea]

That voting thread is driving me nuts, as is the thread on the Boeing CEO and "gender inequality".

:whup:

Huh, different perceptions. I thought we kicked UMoC's ass pretty comprehensively, and he mostly climbed back in his box.


Yeah ya see, I know we kicked his stupid ass, but he ALWAYS does that...just disengages then pops up again with the same tired shit, and it totally frustrates me.

[Crumb]

Perhaps you need a canned response to his tired shit that you can cut and paste at him every time he brings it up again. Then you don't even have to read what he actually writes, and maybe you won't get as frustrated.

[lisarea]

My theory with Derec/UMoC is that he seems to have some shred of redeemability about him that just makes him extra-frustrating. He's not stupid or evil. He's just incredibly bitter, and has huge blind spots to certain types of things. By which I mean, of course, women.

I find your persistence admirable. You haven't just written him off. You're genuinely trying to engage him.

Personally, I tend to avoid him sometimes (not always) because he reminds me a lot of a guy I used to know who ended up really going around the bend and actually scaring me. If it weren't for that uncomfortable association, though, I'm sure I'd be getting much more wrapped up in arguing with him, too.

[Sauron]

Yeah ya see, I know we kicked his stupid ass, but he ALWAYS does that...just disengages then pops up again with the same tired shit, and it totally frustrates me.
Welcome to my world. :popcorn:

[ceptimus]

I have a wonderful method of not getting angered by posting at IIDB. I've been a member there since September 11th 2003, and have a total, to date, of zero posts. It's too late, of course, for you to match my posting record, but you could try to keep pace with my post rate from now on. :giggle:

[viscousmemories]

Why can't I just lay off and ignore some of these people rather than arguing with them?
My knee-jerk reaction was that you do it because you like to fight. But the more I think about it I get in heated arguments almost every time I post at IIDB and I don't particularly like to fight. So if you're like me, it's probably that standing up for your principles is more important to you than avoiding conflict.

[LadyShea]

Why can't I just lay off and ignore some of these people rather than arguing with them?
My knee-jerk reaction was that you do it because you like to fight. But the more I think about it I get in heated arguments almost every time I post at IIDB and I don't particularly like to fight. So if you're like me, it's probably that standing up for your principles is more important to you than avoiding conflict.

LOL, oh great! You know me as well as most people do online and your first impression is that I like to fight. I must come off as a total scrapper.

I certainly have no fear of conflict, nor do I go out of my way to avoid it, but I don't usually go out of my way to find it either. Certain people, and certain topics, though, just somehow get my fur up and I feel compelled to jump in with both feet and start stomping.

[viscousmemories]

Certain people, and certain topics, though, just somehow get my fur up and I feel compelled to jump in with both feet and start stomping.
I know how it is. :)

[Brimshack]

It's hard, but sometimes you gotta walk away. I look at it this way, if some schmuck manages to get me to repeat the same argument more than twice because he's not listening, then I'm the idiot for letting him waste my time. I've let lots of people waste my time by continually trying to reach them when they werem't even trying. Now, I will make one extra try. If someone doesn't seem to be listening, I'm out. It's painful, but it's a lot better than wasting hours and hours on people who aren't even reading your posts.

Eh?

Not a comment on anyone here Tom, but what is it you want me to clarify?

[viscousmemories]

I thought he was being sarcastic; trying to get you to repeat the same argument twice.

[livius drusus]

That's what I thought too. I thought he was being a smartass in reply to "If someone doesn't seem to be listening, I'm out."

[Brimshack]

Groan!

[LadyShea]

My theory with Derec/UMoC is that he seems to have some shred of redeemability about him that just makes him extra-frustrating. He's not stupid or evil. He's just incredibly bitter, and has huge blind spots to certain types of things. By which I mean, of course, women.

I find your persistence admirable. You haven't just written him off. You're genuinely trying to engage him.

Personally, I tend to avoid him sometimes (not always) because he reminds me a lot of a guy I used to know who ended up really going around the bend and actually scaring me. If it weren't for that uncomfortable association, though, I'm sure I'd be getting much more wrapped up in arguing with him, too.

I guess I wonder if he has to give up/disengage enough times, he will realize maybe his arguments and theories aren't quite so solid as he thinks.

[lisarea]

I guess I wonder if he has to give up/disengage enough times, he will realize maybe his arguments and theories aren't quite so solid as he thinks.

I think so, absolutely.

People almost never change their minds on the spot. The sporting instinct, if nothing else, keeps people arguing their side during a given argument, usually. But I do think things sink in. I'll grant that he's not showing a whole lot of progress, but he does seem maybe slightly less strident lately than he has been in the past--he's at least a little less likely to apply those stereotypes universally. (I don't have examples, but it's a general impression I have.)

I know it's frustrating as hell, but I'll just betcha that you're planting some seeds with him. The arguments are sinking in at least to some extent, and I expect that, by simply exposing him to a variety of experiences and interpretations and such, he'll start integrating that knowledge into his own perspective over time. He probably is stepping away from arguments because he doesn't have a response. He may not be prepared to concede many points right now, but I think he's at least recognizing them.

You don't give up strongly held beliefs like that all at once, or even within a month or a year, but perspectives do adapt over time, and he is a smart guy and I think a relatively intellectually honest one in many areas, so I still have a great deal of hope for him.

Maybe I'm being kind of a Pollyanna, but I know that just in my own experience, I tend to change my mind slowly on issues that aren't purely fact-based. Not necessarily out of pure obstinance (although maybe partly), but because it really does take a while to adapt my perceptions to incorporate new information.

So I don't think your efforts are as futile as they might seem at first glance.

[Seven of Nine]

It's hard, but sometimes you gotta walk away. I look at it this way, if some schmuck manages to get me to repeat the same argument more than twice because he's not listening, then I'm the idiot for letting him waste my time. I've let lots of people waste my time by continually trying to reach them when they werem't even trying. Now, I will make one extra try. If someone doesn't seem to be listening, I'm out. It's painful, but it's a lot better than wasting hours and hours on people who aren't even reading your posts.

Eh?

Not a comment on anyone here Tom, but what is it you want me to clarify?

Eh?

[Ensign Steve]

Eh?

:bow:

[Brimshack]

liv, I need a smiley that lets me throw tomatoes at other people's avatars.

...and, like I want it to actually hit their avatars, right in their noses, and then like, when it does that, I want them to actually have a tomatoe come flying outr of the screen at them, and then like hit them on their real noses just like on their avatar noses. And then I want a singsong mocking kinda tune to play when it does that, so that like they'll some kinda nanny nanny poo poo thing while they're cleaning their noses and their avatars noses, only the tomoatoes don't come off the avatars noses on accounta the tomatoes have an anti-cleaning action that only works in cyber-space, but actually turns avatars blue and green on Sundays as a sign to one and all not to mees with a tomatoe throwing green troll-boy who knows where you live, or at least where your cyber nose is, and that he's not gonna take it anymore on accounta he has more tomatoes and anyone wants ta see them up close can just type 'eh' in one more time and see just how fast the whole Kyoto accord falls through now that the shit has really hit the swamp cooler that I really need on accounta the wobbly box is getting hot now that summer is rolling around and I don't have one which is why the damn tomatoes are going to get really really rotten in no time, and that's what people are gonna see come flying through cyberspace and out the computer and right into their noses when I get good and ready to make peope know just how much I feel about it and just how good my tomatoe chucking power-bomb really can be when they do these damn things to me on a Sunday night while I'm just sitting here wondering how damn hot its gonna be tomorrow and how much trouble my tomatoes are gonna be in when it gets that way sometime tomorrow afternoon when somebody is boundto say it just one more time which makes three, not four, not five, and not two, excepting that 2 two has already been done and they'll have gone right onto five now dammit, and everyone knows that five, which means three is the Goddam Tomato trigger number. ....DAMMIT!

Can you see what you can do about that for me, please.

[kensloft]

liv, I need a smiley that lets me throw tomatoes at other people's avatars.

...and, like I want it to actually hit their avatars, right in their noses, and then like, when it does that, I want them to actually have a tomatoe come flying outr of the screen at them, and then like hit them on their real noses just like on their avatar noses. And then I want a singsong mocking kinda tune to play when it does that, so that like they'll some kinda nanny nanny poo poo thing while they're cleaning their noses and their avatars noses, only the tomoatoes don't come off the avatars noses on accounta the tomatoes have an anti-cleaning action that only works in cyber-space, but actually turns avatars blue and green on Sundays as a sign to one and all not to mees with a tomatoe throwing green troll-boy who knows where you live, or at least where your cyber nose is, and that he's not gonna take it anymore on accounta he has more tomatoes and anyone wants ta see them up close can just type 'eh' in one more time and see just how fast the whole Kyoto accord falls through now that the shit has really hit the swamp cooler that I really need on accounta the wobbly box is getting hot now that summer is rolling around and I don't have one which is why the damn tomatoes are going to get really really rotten in no time, and that's what people are gonna see come flying through cyberspace and out the computer and right into their noses when I get good and ready to make peope know just how much I feel about it and just how good my tomatoe chucking power-bomb really can be when they do these damn things to me on a Sunday night while I'm just sitting here wondering how damn hot its gonna be tomorrow and how much trouble my tomatoes are gonna be in when it gets that way sometime tomorrow afternoon when somebody is boundto say it just one more time which makes three, not four, not five, and not two, excepting that 2 two has already been done and they'll have gone right onto five now dammit, and everyone knows that five, which means three is the Goddam Tomato trigger number. ....DAMMIT!

Can you see what you can do about that for me, please.

Now, this is North America and I am sick and fucken tired of these goddammed foreigners coming in and speaking their particular fucken dialect whenever they choose to do so.

Now! 'splain to me Lucy' what it is that you are saying with the word "mees"?

Is it the Mexican "mees" as in I took my best shot at you and when you took yours I ducked and you mees hitting the target.
Or is it the American version where you think that a herd of mouses is a "mees" the singular of 'meeses'
Could it be that it is the Canadian version that has the monsieur dude going up to the madamoiselle dude-ess and asking the young "mees" if she would like to danse wit him on de danse floor?

I really find it hard to get the gist of what is being said if the idioms of certain cultures aren't made clear.

Brimshack... What in the fuck did you say. Which fucken "mees" did you mean?????? :doh:

I would like an answer.

Mind gone blank in Ontario.

[Brimshack]

I said your hair looks nice.

:P

[Seven of Nine]

I said your hair looks nice.

:P

Eh?