Engaging in Intercourse Education

[teasasue]

this is taken off of another forum I am on and I would like to get everyones feed back here on this topic.



Should the age of sex education be lowered?

At my school i had one lesson on sex education and even then the teacher was far too embarrassed to actually give anything worth knowing, i guess i was lucky enough to be told about the good ol' birds and bees by my mother.

Guess i'm asking with teenage pregnancy and underage sex being so rife, is it time to start teaching people from a younger age about the need for safe ***?

No, i don't mean "OMG do it and you'll die" lessons, i just mean more along the lines of "This is what you do, this is what can happen, this is how to stop this and that happening and this is what makes it rape or consensual"

I heard a girl on the bus a few weeks back (I swear she must of been like 13) talking about sleeping with her boyfriend and how they never use a condom but it's ok because he pulls out... If that's what these kids think, is it any wonder that teenage pregnancy is so high?

What are your thoughts anyway? Should we lower the age and start teaching them in earlier years, if so, what age should we start teaching them from?

And if you disagree, why do you disagree?
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this was my response
have you every heard the story of it takes a village to raise a child? Well in this instance it is no different. I think all the education a child can get on this subject will be great. Some parents are to timid to tell there children everything and the risks. Some schools will be to afraid of getting sued to go in to too much detail. So I believe that any education a child or teenager can get on this topic is great to have. I think it should actually start in Junior high school most of those now start in the 6th grade. That is normally the time kids start experimenting with sex. I think they should do more classes in high school as well in a little more detail. Then all you can do is sit back and hope you gave your child enough tools to be protected and know what the right and wrong thing is.

[LadyShea]

Humans, How Do they Fukkin' Work? should be taught throughout a child's life.

[Adam]

Fucking Humans: How Does It Work? should be taught throughout a child's life.

:fixed:

[LadyShea]

I was playing with the meme format on accounta I am a rebel!

[Adam]

Yabbut, I was playing with the format of your played with meme to make it literally ask how "fucking humans" works.

[BrotherMan]

You morans.

Human Fucking! How does it work? would be the properly played format in this situation.

GOD, do I have to do everything around here?

[Adam]

:golfclap:

[LadyShea]

I concede to Broman's expertise.

[Kael]

Internet Meme Orthodoxy Enacting Persecution of Heresy ITT!
:freakout:

[BracesForImpact]

For what it's worth - you haven't seen my village. They have absolutely NO business raising children, trust me.

[teasasue]

For what it's worth - you haven't seen my village. They have absolutely NO business raising children, trust me.

yeah I can understand that but if you have every read the children’s story that come out of you might be able to understand were I was going with that. Also some people on the other forum were saying that it should not be in school at all that it is the parent’s job, and I agree with that to a point. I just wanted to get everyone else’s opinions on the subject itself.

[BracesForImpact]

For what it's worth - you haven't seen my village. They have absolutely NO business raising children, trust me.

yeah I can understand that but if you have every read the children’s story that come out of you might be able to understand were I was going with that. Also some people on the other forum were saying that it should not be in school at all that it is the parent’s job, and I agree with that to a point. I just wanted to get everyone else’s opinions on the subject itself.

I know of the origins, and I do understand your point. I can even agree with the concept on a certain level. It's just that in many ways it's impractical. If one lived in an actual village that shared the same goals, ethics and so on it might work quite well. Here though, we are so diverse in those areas I think it only remains wishful thinking or a nice concept, and nothing more.

Children should be taught about sexuality pretty much from the beginning. Obviously there are concepts that should wait until the childs' mind is more mature, and it should be put into their own framework. I just see no need to hide the mechanics of sexuality from them. One should not deflect questions of where babies come from, by telling the child a stork brings new children, for example.

As you so keenly observed, ignorance in this case is quite damaging.

[Iacchus]

I think with most animals (in general) sexuality is instinctual. Don't know why it has to be so special with humans?

[Crumb]

Those animals often transmit STDs and get pregnant. Some people don't want to do either while engaging in sex.

[chunksmediocrites]

As to the Human Fucking: Guttmacher (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html) has some stats.
• Despite the decline, the United States continues to have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the developed world—almost twice as high as those of England, Wales and Canada, and eight times as high as those of the Netherlands and Japan.[6]

• Every year, roughly nine million new sexually transmitted infections (STIs) occur among teens and young adults in the United States. Compared with rates among teens in Canada and Western Europe, rates of gonorrhea and chlamydia among U.S. teens are extremely high.[7]

• Though teens in the United States have levels of sexual activity similar to levels among their Canadian, English, French and Swedish peers, they are more likely to have shorter and more sporadic sexual relationships and are less likely to use contraceptives.[8]
Sex Education: Teens’ Perspectives

• By 2002, one-third of teens had not received any formal instruction about contraception.[9]

• More than one in five adolescents (21% of females and 24% of males) received abstinence education without receiving instruction about birth control in 2002, compared with 8–9% in 1995.[10]

• In 2002, only 62% of sexually experienced female teens had received instruction about contraception before they first had sex, compared with 72% in 1995.[11]

• Only one out of three sexually experienced black males and fewer than half of sexually experienced black females had received instruction about contraception before the first time they had sex.[12]

• One-quarter of sexually experienced teens had not received instruction about abstinence before first sex.[13]

So I conclude more sex education, including full education regarding contraceptives, is good. I encourage this to be started relatively early, in an age-appropriate format, somewhere in the 7-11 range. I am willing to be flexible on this based on better data on the effectiveness at various ages.

Also some people on the other forum
I hate some people on the other forum's guts. Some people on the other forum will do mean things, like invite you to a party and then when you get drunk and pass out, they will write on your arm "I AM AS DRUNK AS A HORSE", and then put a bunch of purple dots in permanent marker on your forehead, which you don't notice until about half-way home when you look in the rear-view mirror. And then you will be all like if I see some people on the other forum I am going to punch them in the face. But then that's why I don't hang out with some people on the other forum, because some people on the other forum are DICKS. I mean it's been a long time, and I'm letting go of that, I and some people on the other forum were younger and I may even have been a drunk idiot, though I wasn't the one who had to be driven to the hospital because they were suffering from alcohol poisoning. And I wouldn't go so far as Phil Collins, I mean if I saw some people on the other forum drowning, I would lend a hand. Though in my head I would be measuring some people on the other forum for a knuckle sandwich.

[teasasue]

Also some people on the other forum
I hate some people on the other forum's guts. Some people on the other forum will do mean things, like invite you to a party and then when you get drunk and pass out, they will write on your arm "I AM AS DRUNK AS A HORSE", and then put a bunch of purple dots in permanent marker on your forehead, which you don't notice until about half-way home when you look in the rear-view mirror. And then you will be all like if I see some people on the other forum I am going to punch them in the face. But then that's why I don't hang out with some people on the other forum, because some people on the other forum are DICKS. I mean it's been a long time, and I'm letting go of that, I and some people on the other forum were younger and I may even have been a drunk idiot, though I wasn't the one who had to be driven to the hospital because they were suffering from alcohol poisoning. And I wouldn't go so far as Phil Collins, I mean if I saw some people on the other forum drowning, I would lend a hand. Though in my head I would be measuring some people on the other forum for a knuckle sandwich.

I would have just taken lots of pictures of you and put them all over the net :)

[Iacchus]

Those animals often transmit STDs and get pregnant. Some people don't want to do either while engaging in sex.If they actually engage in coitus, and are warmblooded, perhaps. Whereas with most other animals, sex is seasonal, or occasional and, quite often a one time thing. While many species die shortly thereafter and don't have time to get STD's or, for that matter, pregnant ... for those that lay eggs, that is. Which is almost the whole animal kingdom.

[Cliche Guevara]

Those animals often transmit STDs and get pregnant. Some people don't want to do either while engaging in sex.If they actually engage in coitus, and are warmblooded, perhaps. Whereas with most other animals, sex is seasonal, or occasional and, quite often a one time thing. While many species die shortly thereafter and don't have time to get STD's or, for that matter, pregnant ... for those that lay eggs, that is. Which is almost the whole animal kingdom.

lol

wut?


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[livius drusus]

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[chunksmediocrites]

Thanks for the VD education!

[teasasue]

YouTube- ICP - bugz on my nutz (Tiztd)

ok I have seen that before liv and it always makes me laugh, here is another of my favs

I just found this one and couldnt resist
YouTube- Keiichi and Rena got Bugs on Their Nutz

[Iacchus]

No, I think the whole thing is overrated and is much ado about nothing really. Or, at least what would you expect coming from a budding nihilist? :yup: It's just a philosophical standpoint that I, like many on this forum attempt to maintain, that is, if we had the balls to do it. But, then again, nihilists don't have or, shouldn't be expected to have balls, as much as we like to rant and rave about it. Neither do we really "bud" (which would be akin to growing balls), as we are unable to provide a basis for doing so.

[Dingfod]

Gasp! I just found out intercourse means sex.

Some sex crazed teens learn all about it in school. (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1074794/us-school-uses-toy-animals-in-sex-class)

[LadyShea]

Who are you talking to Iacchus? Your post doesn't seem to be in response to anything said in this thread.

[Iacchus]

Oh, are you saying you don't see the contradiction here? This is basically all I'm pointing out. In fact, it's all I have ever tried to point out. That is all.

Oh, there were a couple of responses to my earlier postings, by the way. :)

[LadyShea]

What the hell are you talking about? What contradiction? What does sex have to do with budding nihilism or whatever?

And you answered your own question, BTW.

Don't know why it has to be so special with humans?

....with most other animals, sex is seasonal, or occasional and, quite often a one time thing.

many species die shortly thereafter

[Iacchus]

I am questioning why everyone makes such a big deal about it when, in fact it doesn't really amount to anything? So yes, in that respect, I'm saying our views on sexuality are overrated.

Or, why can't we be like the rest of the animal kingdom and just do it? Nature itself holds no pretenses about it and is pretty much orgiastic in nature.

[LadyShea]

such a big deal about it when, in fact it doesn't really amount to anything

It's only the driving force of life...doesn't amount to anything

[Naru]

I am questioning why everyone makes such a big deal about it when, in fact it doesn't really amount to anything? So yes, in that respect, I'm saying our views on sexuality are overrated.

Or, why can't we be like the rest of the animal kingdom and just do it?

Or, why can't you be like the rest of the animal kingdom and not post on this forum?

[Iacchus]

Not even educated monkeys? :dunno:

[Iacchus]

such a big deal about it when, in fact it doesn't really amount to anything

It's only the driving force of life...doesn't amount to anythingOkay so, where does life come from? And, if it (sex) is the driving force, how does it not also affect the movement of the planets? Or, how do we attempt to disassociate ourselves (the budding nihilists that we are) from the fact that we even exist?

How do we know for a fact that sex is not the driving force behind everything? To suggest otherwise disavows any continuity that exists between one thing and the next.

[Crumb]

WTF are you on?

[Adam]

I like this new angle, but I'm docking you half a letter grade for overuse of the phrase "budding nihilists".

[Iacchus]

Notwithstanding the true nihilist is an oxymoron, and has no rights or claims to anything, not even the word used to describe it. In which case, yes, "budding" is about as close as we can get.

[LadyShea]

Okay so, where does life come from?

Other life, through procreation

And, if it (sex) is the driving force, how does it not also affect the movement of the planets?

Reproduction is the driving force of life, living things. Why should it affect the movement of the planets?

Are you in a depressed and delusional phase of your mental illness or what?

Or, how do we attempt to disassociate ourselves (the budding nihilists that we are) from the fact that we even exist?

Wait, what? That makes no sense on any level. Word salad, FTW!

How do we know for a fact that sex is not the driving force behind everything?

Well, it's a good assumption until we observe two stars or two volcanos or any non-living things fucking

to suggest otherwise disavows any continuity that exists between one thing and the next.

Which one thing and next thing require a vow of continuity or whatever you are on about?

[Naru]

And, if it (sex) is the driving force, how does it not also affect the movement of the planets?

Let's go, Iacchus, I'll rock your world :cheesywink:

[Cliche Guevara]

]Okay so, where does life come from? And, if it (sex) is the driving force, how does it not also affect the movement of the planets?

Well, teasasue, right there is a great argument for better sex education in schools.

Iacchus, human life comes from a sperm and an egg getting together for a boogie. The music they're dancing to is usually the funky riddums of coitus. From there, a wee baby rocks on. :boogies:

[Cliche Guevara]

Gasp! I just found out intercourse means sex.

Some sex crazed teens learn all about it in school. (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1074794/us-school-uses-toy-animals-in-sex-class)


"Dick Profit" :giggle:

[teasasue]

Gasp! I just found out intercourse means sex.

Some sex crazed teens learn all about it in school. (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1074794/us-school-uses-toy-animals-in-sex-class)


"Dick Profit" :giggle:

ok I just had time to read this link (it has been one crazy day hubby lost his job on top of other things so were was I) I have no problem with sex ed being taught but I am thinking that we should draw the line some were

A US high school sex education program that demonstrates sexual acts on stuffed toy animals has outraged parents.

as perverse as this sounds I dont know how I feel about that, I mean most kids at some point "play" sex to an extent, some I am sure are not even aware of it, just simple flirting but with animals now that has me a little bugged


Students aged between 14 and 16 at the school in the Iowa town of Shenandoah were also shown how to apply a condom using a 3D model of a penis, Fox News reported.

I have no problem with this if they are going to have sex then they should know how to protect themselves.


Mother Colleen Dorstal said the sex education lessons, especially the toy sex simulation, were "horribly inappropriate".

"I do not understand why any adult with a classroom of children would show them sexual positions," she said.

"To do that in a mixed-gender classroom — I truly believe it was inappropriate."


ok when I first read this part I thought (for some unknown reason) that they were showing them how to pleasure themselves with toys, and I thought, well that is not really a bad idea that way they will know they can do it themselves and not need to go some were else.

Then I caught the part about sexual positions and reread it, they showed the kids different positions with the stuffed animals and it was a mixed class, oh yeah lets get them to now want it ok, lets just show them how its done so when they do they will get it right.

And in a mixed sex class no doubt, so we have the boys over here looking at the girls going so do you want to try that that could be fun, then the girls turning red and giggling and thinking to her self, OMG OMG OMG



The group that ran the class, Planned Parenthood, said they weren't trying to keep their education methods secret.

"All information we use is medically accurate and science based," spokeswoman Jennifer Horner said.

Sex education is a politically sensitive topic in the US, with many parents opposed to it being taught in high schools.

But Shenandoah Superintendent Dick Profit told the Omaha World-Herald that despite the controversy, the schools were required to teach it.

"It's a political hot potato, it's a religious hot potato, it's a parental hot potato,” Profit said.

“It's all of these things that cause a crack in the system between society, parents and schools, and we're still required to do it."

and this is the kinda crap that will cause law suits

[Iacchus]

Well, teasasue, right there is a great argument for better sex education in schools.

Iacchus, human life comes from a sperm and an egg getting together for a boogie. The music they're dancing to is usually the funky riddums of coitus. From there, a wee baby rocks on. :boogies:Really? You don't get it from the toilet seat?

Oh well ... :D

YouTube- Ian Dury & The Blockheads - 'Sex & Drugs & Rock 'n' Roll' [1977 single with lyrics]

[maddog]

"stuffed" toy animals, indeed.

#2493

[Iacchus]

Okay so, where does life come from?

Other life, through procreationSounds circular ... unless of course we are referring to the greater circle of things.

How do we know for a fact that sex is not the driving force behind everything? Well, it's a good assumption until we observe two stars or two volcanos or any non-living things fuckingOr, maybe everything exists as a result of God ejaculating, what some might refer to as the Big Bang theory? Maybe the Greeks had it right, when saying God/Zeus had his way with Mother Night? ... and of course up sprang Eros, the god of love, or Phanes (http://www.plotinus.com/eros_copy.htm).

to suggest otherwise disavows any continuity that exists between one thing and the next.Which one thing and next thing require a vow of continuity or whatever you are on about?It all comes from the same place. :yup:

[LadyShea]

:lolfruits:

[Iacchus]

It's all the same stuff. Now, just because we can compartmentalize it and say this thing is different from that thing, and show why, doesn't deviate from that any does it? Or, how do you differentiate between those things which are sexual and those things which are not at the Planck level when, in fact, it might only entail the difference between one or two electrons in a molecule? If you can't, and yet stipulate it must begin at some other point, how does it begin at all if, in fact all things begin at the Planck/quantum level? Or do they?

This is what I mean by continuity.

[LadyShea]

as perverse as this sounds I dont know how I feel about that, I mean most kids at some point "play" sex to an extent, some I am sure are not even aware of it, just simple flirting but with animals now that has me a little bugged

Then I caught the part about sexual positions and reread it, they showed the kids different positions with the stuffed animals and it was a mixed class, oh yeah lets get them to now want it ok, lets just show them how its done so when they do they will get it right.

What could possibly be less threatening, less erotically stimulating, less actual-human-sex-like, or more mood lightening than plush toys?

Most kids have seen animals mate, even on TV. Only a few generations ago the majority of people lived on farms. Animal procreation has always been a teaching tool.

[Adam]

"Vow of continuity" is a great phrase.

[Nullifidian]

And, if it (sex) is the driving force, how does it not also affect the movement of the planets?

Did the Earth move?

[Gonzo]

It's all the same stuff. Now, just because we can compartmentalize it and say this thing is different from that thing, and show why, doesn't deviate from that any does it? Or, how do you differentiate between those things which are sexual and those things which are not at the Planck level when, in fact, it might only entail the difference between one or two electrons in a molecule? If you can't, and yet stipulate it must begin at some other point, how does it begin at all if, in fact all things begin at the Planck/quantum level? Or do they?

This is what I mean by continuity.

Iachuss what does ANY OF IT have to do with educating children on safe sexual practices?

You are saying that it is nihilistic to be educated on the very basis of our existence. I can differentiate between human reproduction and cells dividing in any other instance of life. Our formation is complex and unique in it's own right, why should we be kept from knowledge of it's practice and process?

[Iacchus]

Iachuss what does ANY OF IT have to do with educating children on safe sexual practices?Actually I'm questioning why anyone should really give a crap? :yup: If we wish to understand that, then we have to go beyond any such notion that sexuality mysteriously arose out of the elements.

You are saying that it is nihilistic to be educated on the very basis of our existence. I can differentiate between human reproduction and cells dividing in any other instance of life.I'm saying it's nihilistic to believe that entire Universes including human sexual practices can just pop up out of nothing. If we actually believe this, it only helps to affirm or, rather justify our nihilism.

Our formation is complex and unique in it's own right, why should we be kept from knowledge of it's practice and process?Because we are ignorant? It's not like we were all born knowing of such things is it? Unless of course we are like the vast majority of the rest of the animal kingdom and instinctively know what to do. Or, are we referring to something other than our sexual natures here?

[teasasue]

as perverse as this sounds I dont know how I feel about that, I mean most kids at some point "play" sex to an extent, some I am sure are not even aware of it, just simple flirting but with animals now that has me a little bugged

Then I caught the part about sexual positions and reread it, they showed the kids different positions with the stuffed animals and it was a mixed class, oh yeah lets get them to now want it ok, lets just show them how its done so when they do they will get it right.

What could possibly be less threatening, less erotically stimulating, less actual-human-sex-like, or more mood lightening than plush toys?

Most kids have seen animals mate, even on TV. Only a few generations ago the majority of people lived on farms. Animal procreation has always been a teaching tool.

I was just saying that I am not real sure how I feel about that, its a sex ed class not a class on how to teach positions.

[teasasue]

[quote=Gonzo;854463]Iachuss what does ANY OF IT have to do with educating children on safe sexual practices?Actually I'm questioning why anyone should really give a crap? :yup: If we wish to understand that, then we have to go beyond any such notion that sexuality mysteriously arose out of the elements.

as you have said sex is a natural thing for people and animals. We should care because unlike animals most teens cant handle being parents, and why not teach them about STDs so they dont have to possibly die at a very young age? Or spread it to others and possibly get something that they can never get rid of or prevent them from having children in the future when they are ready. If we were animals and could have unprotected sex and not worry about how to raise a baby or getting an STD (yes animals can get STDs but not as often as humans) then there would be no problem here but since we are not then we seem to have a problem and that problem lies in how we teach our children.

[Cliche Guevara]

Actually I'm questioning why anyone should really give a crap?

Well, here's why I give a crap:


Young people, armed with knowledge, are more confident, and therefore less likely to be sexually exploited; whether we're talking about date rape, or being "groomed" for the more sinister sexual agendas of predators, etc. They are less likely to make poor sexual decisions that could have a negative impact on their whole life. They are more likely to have better relationships: with their own bodies, and with their partners of choice, and are less likely to be the victims of domestic violence, for example. Young people, armed with knowledge and confidence, are also more likely to be aware of and take care of their sexual health, and have proper sexual health check ups more regularly.


Those are just some of the reasons why I, personally, give a crap. I suspect some others here may agree with those reasons, and have a few of their own to add.

[The Lone Ranger]

Why do I get the impression that for Iaccus, "rational thought" is just a fad that he's sure will never catch on?

Oh, and for the record, humans are animals.

[LadyShea]

I was just saying that I am not real sure how I feel about that, its a sex ed class not a class on how to teach positions.

We don't know if that even happened.

And if it did, it was plush toys not anatomically correct people dolls. How accurate could the representation of actual human positions be?

[teasasue]

I was just saying that I am not real sure how I feel about that, its a sex ed class not a class on how to teach positions.

We don't know if that even happened.

And if it did, it was plush toys not anatomically correct people dolls. How accurate could the representation of actual human positions be?

no we dont know if they actually did that you are correct, I was just going by what the article stated.

umm as to the 2nd part of your statement, I have a very good imagination so what I am picturing in my head minus the girl and boy parts is pretty accurate lol

[Iacchus]

Why do I get the impression that for Iaccus, "rational thought" is just a fad that he's sure will never catch on?Rational thought is only as good as the premise it's based upon. I'm just questioning why folks tends to get all worked up over nothing if, in fact this is all there is. Sounds pretty rational to me. Notwithstanding I'm the one who gets singled out for pointing out the contradiction. :yup:

Oh, and for the record, humans are animals.The human body is, of course.

[Iacchus]

Young people, armed with knowledge and confidence, are also more likely to be aware of and take care of their sexual health, and have proper sexual health check ups more regularly.So what?

[Iacchus]

as you have said sex is a natural thing for people and animals. We should care because unlike animals most teens cant handle being parents ...Well it is interesting that you or anyone else should note the difference. I am pretty much saying the same thing.

...and why not teach them about STDs so they dont have to possibly die at a very young age?So long as they continue to live and don't remain foolish about it, I would think. Otherwise it's just a big waste of time. In which case why shouldn't the same rules that apply to the rest of the natural world also apply here? Wouldn't that be horrible if we had to suffer the same fate? :yup:

[teasasue]

[quote]...and why not teach them about STDs so they dont have to possibly die at a very young age?
So long as they continue to live and don't remain foolish about it, I would think. Otherwise it's just a big waste of time. In which case why shouldn't the same rules that apply to the rest of the natural world also apply here? Wouldn't that be horrible if we had to suffer the same fate? :yup:

and that is the entire reason to teach them so they dont remain foolish

[Iacchus]

What, and you are the idealist? :laugh:

In which case, yes, I can understand why anyone would rant and rave about such things.

If you're not, then I am asking, what's your excuse? Why not just leave things alone, and let nature run its course? Like I said, it doesn't appear to be an issue with the rest of the animal world. The week and the infirm get culled early on. This is what's called natural selection.

[Brimshack]

I personally don't see why we need sewage systems. Animals just take a shit anywhere they like. It's natural.

[Adam]

You're such a budding nihilist, Brim. I am given to understand that this means you are growing "balls".

[Iacchus]

I personally don't see why we need sewage systems. Animals just take a shit anywhere they like. It's natural.Except of course you can't expect it to return back into the soil if they do it on concrete (not without adequate drainage) or, on somebody's brand new carpet perhaps.

[Crumb]

Good point, we don't really need carpet or concrete though. Animals (excepting us) don't have it.

[teasasue]

If you're not, then I am asking, what's your excuse? Why not just leave things alone, and let nature run its course? Like I said, it doesn't appear to be an issue with the rest of the animal world.

ummm you may want to go back and read the thread again I think it pretty much explains the answer to this question, with out having to type it all out again :)

[Brimshack]

You're such a budding nihilist, Brim. I am given to understand that this means you are growing "balls".

Why don't you go shake an owl or something!

[Adam]

I don't see why the owls need me to shake them. Every other species of animal does its own shaking. Unless you are saying there is something special involved in this instance? :wink:

[Iacchus]

ummm you may want to go back and read the thread again I think it pretty much explains the answer to this question, with out having to type it all out again :)But, then again, maybe I just like to rant and rave, like everyone else? :dunno:

[Iacchus]

I don't see why the owls need me to shake them. Every other species of animal does its own shaking. Unless you are saying there is something special involved in this instance? :wink:They had a very nice special about owl vomit on Dirty Jobs awhile back.

HowStuffWorks Videos "Dirty Jobs: Owl Vomit" (http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/30927-dirty-jobs-owl-vomit-video.htm)

[Iacchus]

Actually, human beings don't have the justification for being here, in the capacity that they are, if they were to follow nature's example.

[Crumb]

It's ok, we were grandfathered in.

[Iacchus]

It doesn't appear to be too okay with the planet though. Or, maybe this is just another one of nature's cycles?

And, of course once we all die off, it seems we've just created the very circumstances we've been trying to avoid. Hmm ...

[Cliche Guevara]

Oh, frog od's ache!

Pseudo-intellectual wankery is pseudo-intellectual wankery. ITT!

:shortbus:

[Iacchus]

All I hear are the accusations. But, then again, I guess this is all some of us need. Oh, I started my own thread (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23281) by the way, and will try and restrict my replies to that. Okay?

[LadyShea]

Just today I was made aware of the OWL curriculum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Whole_Lives) of sex ed. It looks p. great to me, and was developed by UU and UCC

The Our Whole Lives program operates under the idea that well informed youth and young adults make better, healthier decisions about sexuality than those without complete information. OWL strives to be unbiased and teaches about heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, and transgender sexual health. In addition to information on sex, OWL is intended to help children, youth, and adults to be emotionally healthy and responsible in terms of their sexuality.

[Gonzo]

I'd trust Cockstrangla with my child's education.

[Iacchus]

With a user title like that, I'm sure he must know something ... about sex, that is. Although it sounds a bit perverted.

[Adam]

:smugnod:

[Adam]

Just today I was made aware of the OWL curriculum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Whole_Lives) of sex ed. It looks p. great to me, and was developed by UU and UCC

The Our Whole Lives program operates under the idea that well informed youth and young adults make better, healthier decisions about sexuality than those without complete information. OWL strives to be unbiased and teaches about heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, and transgender sexual health. In addition to information on sex, OWL is intended to help children, youth, and adults to be emotionally healthy and responsible in terms of their sexuality.

I don't remember that being on the OWL!
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