Spouse-porn!

[seebs]

Okay, here's my crazy question.

Imagine for the sake of argument that we grant the traditional anti-porn positions about lusting after peoples' bodies being objectifying and bad, and so on.

What about sexy pictures of your own spouse?

[Sweetie]

LOL, man that one's too simple!

I don't see a problem with it.

Next. :P

LOL, my husband would like to have pics of me though I'm not real sure why when he has the real thing. :D I mean seriously, about the only thing to do with them is put them in your wallet, I think, I don't know, any other ideas?

Well, I suppose when I'm forty he could look back at my youthful figure and remember that when he wants to trade in for a newer model, they will turn forty too! :D Or he could use them for some sort of blackmail. :chin: :D

[Trinity]

Well, I have several nude pics of my ex-husband.

I don't see how anyone could find fault with someone for lusting after their spouse, and therefore there should be no objection to having nude pics of him/her. Who better to trust with your naked snapshots than your spouse? :giggle:

[viscousmemories]

I can't imagine what would be wrong with ogling pictures of your spouse from any philosophical angle. It reminds me of a funny story though. I once let a girl I was dating (and who rented a room in the same house I lived in) take photos of me in the nude. One day I came home and found one of my other roommates sketching in the living room. I looked over her shoulder and noticed that she was working on the details of a nude sketch of her boyfriend. I said, "I feel a little invasive looking at a picture of your boyfriend's dick", to which she replied, "Why's that? I've seen pictures of yours." :eek:

[Godless Wonder]

There was a pretty funny skit on MadTV vaguely about this topictonight... I cannot do justice to it in a description, you had to see it.

[beyelzu]

I seem to recall our recently departed pope saying that it was wrong to lust after your wife sometime during the eighties.

[seebs]

Term of art. Desire and passion are not necessarily lust. With the definition of "lust" that theologians are likely using, I'd agree with the Pope on that one.

[Dingfod]

We had a few pornographic pictures of each other, but got rid of them once we had children.

[Beth]

Well, well, well. Thing with such pictures is that they can come back to bite you. If the marriage ever dissolved, such pics could put the male spouse at a higher advantage. Among peers, it seems that a woman is more wicked to allow herself in a compromising position such as that, more so than a male.

[Dingfod]

I think there are too many variables to generalize like that, it depends on the peer group. In some social circles women showing skin in photos is considered quite the norm and having pictures published can actually be something of which to be proud. I can see how some people might think the way you do, but wouldn't that depend entirely on what the respective parties in a divorce had to lose? I'm thinking a church deacon or minister, or a politician might think they have more to lose by the existence of porn photos of them than their spouses would.

[Beth]

I think there are too many variables to generalize like that, it depends on the peer group. In some social circles women showing skin in photos is considered quite the norm and having pictures published can actually be something of which to be proud.
I can understand this, but I don't think that you would find many average peer groups around here that would not stigmatise a woman for baring her body.

I can see how some people might think the way you do, but wouldn't that depend entirely on what the respective parties in a divorce had to lose? I'm thinking of becoming a teacher. If I became a teacher, such photos could incite parents and make them feel very upset that I am instructing their children.


I'm thinking a church deacon or minister, or a politician might think they have more to lose by the existence of porn photos of them than their spouses would.
True.

[LiveToRide]

This is the perfect topic after the weekend I just had. Bullet and I went to a 3-day biker party here in Michigan where there is LOTS of skin. Women yanking up their tops at the slightest encouragement, guys dropping their drawers, it went on all weekend and was really no big deal. I was uncomfortable with it at first, but after seeing so many boobs and butts and dicks, it was just kind of ho-hum. It got SO ho-hum, that I allowed Bullet to take a picture of me in nothing but a g-string, something I never would have allowed before. It's just skin, and is becoming less of a big deal to me.
Which makes me wonder about Beth's comment: "I don't think that you would find many average peer groups around here that would not stigmatise a woman for baring her body." Do you mean "around here" as in this forum, or "around here" where you are specifically? Because in my circle, showing skin, and lots of it, is just an average, almost traditional occurence.

[Beth]

I meant in my area, in my circles. The only bikers that I know are those who own a bike and ride on occasion. I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I would never allow myself to be put in a position like that. Perhaps I would if I ran in a more relaxed circle, but I doubt it.

[LiveToRide]

Ah, ok.
What exactly do you mean about allowing yourself to be put in a position like that? Like mine, where we were at this party? (Geez, am I slow today, or what??)

[Beth]

I mean a position where my spouse has nude photos of me and me in the position of having them levied against me- or pornographic photos in which I am exposed in various positions. I don't thing a g-string pic is all that damning on the right body. On mine, it would be damn vulgar and grotesque.

[LiveToRide]

Gotcha. Sorry for being so dense! (WTF is wrong with me today?)

I don't have a problem with him having pictures of me like that. He will probably take them and show them off at work, and you know what? I think it's cool that he finds me so attractive that he wants to brag to his buddies. Does that make me weird? :D

[Beth]

No, but I would be furious if someone I trusted did that with my pictures, I would feel violated, as well. Maybe that makes me a freak. Dunno.

[LiveToRide]

Of course it doesn't make you a freak! Not that long ago I would have felt exactly the same. Since I've been with Bullet, I've lost a lot of inhibitions and I trust him totally. It's just a different perspective that I've gained.

[Beth]

Term of art. Desire and passion are not necessarily lust. With the definition of "lust" that theologians are likely using, I'd agree with the Pope on that one.What definition of lust do you think they are using? I would think that if one agreed with such a definition, they would think porn to be immoral, even if it is of one's spouse. I would think that porn pics would stimulate an intense or overwhelming craving or desire for sex.

[Beth]

Of course it doesn't make you a freak! Not that long ago I would have felt exactly the same. Since I've been with Bullet, I've lost a lot of inhibitions and I trust him totally. It's just a different perspective that I've gained.Well, that's cool that you have that.:)

[xavierOnassis]

Okay, here's my crazy question....
What about sexy pictures of your own spouse?

that would depend what you plan to do with them... and who you going to share them with wouldn't it?

(am I the only one that finds the "increase size/decrease size" options at the bottom left of the post edit window amusingly appropriate for a sex thread)

[Dingfod]

...I allowed Bullet to take a picture of me in nothing but a g-string,...Bulloney! Post proof or retract.




C'mon, someone had to say it.

[LiveToRide]

...I allowed Bullet to take a picture of me in nothing but a g-string,...Bulloney! Post proof or retract.




C'mon, someone had to say it.

I suppose I should have expected that, huh?

I actually don't know if Bullet would put them on the 'net or not. Hmmm....

[Bullet]

...I allowed Bullet to take a picture of me in nothing but a g-string,...Bulloney! Post proof or retract.




C'mon, someone had to say it.

I suppose I should have expected that, huh?

I actually don't know if Bullet would put them on the 'net or not. Hmmm....
Give me a couple of days to get the film developed and you are in for a treat.

[Dingfod]

I was just kidding. Don't feel pressured to do so at all. Really.

[LiveToRide]

I was just kidding. Don't feel pressured to do so at all. Really.
Oh, warrenly, sweetheart....precious.....nobody, and I mean NO BODY pressures Bullet into ANYTHING he doesn't want to do. :kissass:

[seebs]

Term of art. Desire and passion are not necessarily lust. With the definition of "lust" that theologians are likely using, I'd agree with the Pope on that one.What definition of lust do you think they are using? I would think that if one agreed with such a definition, they would think porn to be immoral, even if it is of one's spouse. I would think that porn pics would stimulate an intense or overwhelming craving or desire for sex.

The canonical theological sense is that lust is like gluttony. The soundbite answer I give is when your desire for the body overrides consideration for the person whose body it is.

This is, IMHO, wrong even when applied to a spouse -- but need not rule out spouse-porn.

[Beth]

Term of art. Desire and passion are not necessarily lust. With the definition of "lust" that theologians are likely using, I'd agree with the Pope on that one.What definition of lust do you think they are using? I would think that if one agreed with such a definition, they would think porn to be immoral, even if it is of one's spouse. I would think that porn pics would stimulate an intense or overwhelming craving or desire for sex.

The canonical theological sense is that lust is like gluttony. The soundbite answer I give is when your desire for the body overrides consideration for the person whose body it is.

This is, IMHO, wrong even when applied to a spouse -- but need not rule out spouse-porn.Ah, I see. I agree. Thank for answering.

[bobeh]

I seem to recall our recently departed pope saying that it was wrong to lust after your wife sometime during the eighties.

Whew...I think I'm ok...the last time I lusted after her was in the seventies.