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Alex Bragi
05-28-2005, 08:22 AM
How is it that, these days, everybody wants to 'medicalise' everything? We don't have jerks on our roads any more—we have 'road rage syndrome'. And, that creep back at school that used to push you around and steal your lunch money, he's no longer a butt headed bully. Oh, no, he's got 'bully's syndrome'. No more fat kids either; the poor little buggers are suffering from "junk food syndrome". The list of culture bound excuses and euphemisms goes on. But, the one that really intrigues me lately is "irritable male syndrome' It's not that he's not getting enough sex, sulking because of something you said earlier, or just simply doesn't feel like talking. Oh, no.

Now, is this perhaps the equivalent to pms?

Sure, I know all about the premenstrual syndrome. It's hormonal. It's a part of being a woman. Why, we're almost expected to be bitches from time to time because of it! It's like a blanket excuse used by men universally. Sure, he may have come home late, forgotten your birthday/anniversary, or been guilty of perving on that bitch's tits—again, but what ever it was he did, it's not his fault! Oh, no, it's hers—‘She must have pms'. I tell you if I had a dollar for every time I've heard that, I'd be rich, and if I had a dollar for every time it was directed at me, I'd be filthy rich. And, why do men have to always smirk when they say that?

But, now, scientists have discovered men's mood swings may also be attributed to hormone levels. Specifically, by a sudden drop in the male hormone testosterone which, in theory, affects their brain and therefore behaviour.

Interestingly, this 'irritable male syndrome' was discovered while studying sheep—rams in particular. Scientists have found that in autumn, when sheep mate, the rams' testosterone levels soar. While in the winter, when testosterone levels fall, they lose interest in sex and become nervous and withdrawn, and will often striking out irrationally.

Some scientist believes that as men get older they get grumpier because of male menopause. Male menopause? Or, could this possibly be just a 'medicalised' way of saying the old boy's cranky because he woke up one morning and, suddenly, realised it's too late to do all those things he wishes he'd done when he was younger?

The 'sheep' scientists believe stress can cause men of any age to suffer from a drop in testosterone levels, which in turn affect their moods and behaviour.

So, ladies, don't worry if your man's grumpy occasionally, just tell yourself, "He must have ims." Oh, and don't forget to smirk when you say it.

ApostateAbe
05-28-2005, 09:03 AM
As knowledge of the brain continues to increase, more moods, emotions, thoughts, and actions will have discernable causes rooted in environment and nature. The illusion of "free will" is bound to diminish, and personal responsibility will change meaning. Human beings will be treated like robots, and if something is wrong, then the problem will be solved through troubleshooting and debugging.

Dragar
05-28-2005, 03:21 PM
Human beings will be treated like robots, and if something is wrong, then the problem will be solved through troubleshooting and debugging.

I very much doubt it.

A robot has a set 'specification'. We can tell if a robot other people would consider 'unusual' or a 'bug' as you'd put it.

When it comes to humans, that just isn't the case. We might start realising that people have reasons for acting the way they do, and that might result in us being more forgiving. But I doubt we will treat humans like robots, because there is no set specification for a human to match.

Dingfod
05-28-2005, 03:34 PM
Hmmm. Grumpy old man here. Perhaps declining testosterone levels may play a role in increasing grumpiness levels as men age as well.

I just thought it was life experience that led to the grumpiness. And I liked it that way, goddammit!

livius drusus
05-28-2005, 03:44 PM
How is it that, these days, everybody wants to 'medicalise' everything?

Well generally speaking I think it's cool to see scientists studying our behavior and finding out what kind of physical changes accompany behavioral ones. For one thing, as you note, it makes great fodder for condescension when the occasion calls. I'm looking forward to patting my dad's hand next time he gets grumpy and telling him I understand it's just the decline in testosterone. :D

Welcome to FF, Alex Bragi, and thanks for a fun first post. Please do introduce yourself up in the Greetings and Salutations forum if you feel the urge. :)

:welcome1:

ApostateAbe
05-28-2005, 07:54 PM
Human beings will be treated like robots, and if something is wrong, then the problem will be solved through troubleshooting and debugging.

I very much doubt it.

A robot has a set 'specification'. We can tell if a robot other people would consider 'unusual' or a 'bug' as you'd put it.

When it comes to humans, that just isn't the case. We might start realising that people have reasons for acting the way they do, and that might result in us being more forgiving. But I doubt we will treat humans like robots, because there is no set specification for a human to match.It seems to me that psychiatric treatment assumes that the human brain can go "wrong" in one way or the other, which can or might be corrected. If there is a "wrong" state of mind and a "right" one, then wouldn't that imply that there is a rough "specification" to follow?

Ensign Steve
05-28-2005, 11:45 PM
Warren, Abe's onto something. Hyperactive children, socially shy adults, schizophrenics, all of these people are diagnosed and medicated in order to fit better into the specification that human beings are expected to fit in to.

ETA: Why is this in the Sexuality forum? Is it because of the hormones thing?

Dragar
05-29-2005, 12:59 AM
It seems to me that psychiatric treatment assumes that the human brain can go "wrong" in one way or the other, which can or might be corrected. If there is a "wrong" state of mind and a "right" one, then wouldn't that imply that there is a rough "specification" to follow?

Only one of our choosing.

I'd be very wary of assigning an arbiter of 'normality'.

ApostateAbe
05-29-2005, 02:06 AM
It seems to me that psychiatric treatment assumes that the human brain can go "wrong" in one way or the other, which can or might be corrected. If there is a "wrong" state of mind and a "right" one, then wouldn't that imply that there is a rough "specification" to follow?

Only one of our choosing.

I'd be very wary of assigning an arbiter of 'normality'.That reflects my attitude, Dragar. But we can't confidently state that future generations will share it. Or, if they do share such precautions, then perhaps the patient can at times be the one who decides what the "specification" is, and then his brain can be reprogrammed accordingly. A similar procedure is the normality in today's psychological therapy.

Dragar
05-29-2005, 03:49 AM
That reflects my attitude, Dragar. But we can't confidently state that future generations will share it.

Conceeded. We can't confidently say they won't, however.

Or, if they do share such precautions, then perhaps the patient can at times be the one who decides what the "specification" is, and then his brain can be reprogrammed accordingly. A similar procedure is the normality in today's psychological therapy.

This wouldn't worry me so much. If my reaction is any indication (and we probably shouldn't treat it as such, but let's play along for now), it may well be that this becomes more common place.

I don't think we disagree on this as much as it appears at first glance. I probably disagree with your term 'robot'. I suspect if you'd said 'treated like biological, feeling, thinking, empathised-with machines', I probably wouldn't have disagreed so strongly. But 'robot' carries too many other connotations.