Penis Envy?

[Alex Bragi]

I guess this is just another example of disparity between the sexes. Do you know the typical male orgasm lasts anywhere from 3 to 8 seconds? Though it’s possible through deep breathing and regular Tantric exercising to extend it to maybe 10 seconds or so. When researching for this post, I did check with Sting for precise times but unfortunately he hasn't supplied any on his web site.

As you probably aware, women are capable of multiple orgasms without having to rest in between. (Damn it, don't I just love being a woman!!!) Women are actually capable of a sustained orgasm called 'status orgasmu'. These wonderful events start with a 2-4 second spastic contraction and last twenty to sixty seconds. In 1966, Masters & Johnson published the chart of one woman who experienced a marvellous 43-second orgasm, made up of at least 25 successive contractions. Oh, baby,baby,baby!

Now, Freud theorized that females were biologically inferior to males, (ha! ha!) and spent their lives suffering from feelings of jealousy, inferiority, and penis envy. He was also a huge cocaine addict, a condition that often leads to impotence. so it kind of make you wonder if perhaps he was the one with a little penis going on.

But what is ‘penis envy’ anyway? Far more men seem to suffer from it than women. How many products on the market are designed to increase the size of a man's penis, id, ego, and super ego, while considerably reducing the size of his wallet all in the same process? Some men will go to any length (please, no pun intended) just get those perceived envious glances in the locker room or loo - from other men! And, no, they’re not all gay.

I think it's a male thing - "I’m able to better satisfy a woman’s instinctive needs to reproduce because I’ve got a bigger penis, therefore I am the superior specimen. I am the Alpha male!”

The short, and I guess smallest, penis ever recorded was a mere six centimetres long when fully erect. For you people in imperial measurements, that’s about as long as... Oh, I don't know but I’m sure will give all you men out there a hot shot of schadenfreude when you find out!

But how many women out there really worry that much about the size of a man's penis?

Ah, but I digress.

Don't get me wrong - I think all penises are just fine. Sure, I know some women say: "Seen one, you've seem 'em all." Me, I've seen a few and now I want to see more. No, I'm not knocking them, but they do have their drawbacks. They embarrass their owners when they get aroused at the wrong times, pussies never do that. Pussies are well behaved. Penises dangle and stick out, making them extremely vulnerable when their owners are playing contact sports and such. Pussies are tucked neatly between the legs. Of course other advantages to owning a pussy rather than a penis also, but I’m too discrete to go into them here.

Now, honestly, how many women out there really wish they had a penis instead of a pussy? For that matter, how many men out there secretly wish they had a pussy - instead of a penis?

Penis envy? No way, I'll take the multi orgasmic experience over the 3 to 8 second thrill anytime!

[ApostateAbe]

How many orgasms do you have during sex on average? For nearly 100% of men, the answer is close to 1. As I understand it, women average considerably less than 1 orgasm per night of sex. Am I deceived?

[flopstock]

Not me..no way, no how. I like being on the receiving end myself! YUM

And i used to believe the 'seen one seen them all' theory, until a group I was in had a 'whose body part is it anyways' contest. Naturally the guys all put up the same part. By time it was finished there had to be 20 of them up there and I've got to tell you ...what a revelation. Men are without a doubt, a work of art. There was only one I saw that made me go eeeew!, but that was more because of the green tint of the picture..lol. But they come in all shapes and sizes, big heads, small heads ...you name it guys carry it! Truly awesome creatures... :D

[Alex Bragi]

How many orgasms do you have during sex on average? For nearly 100% of men, the answer is close to 1. As I understand it, women average considerably less than 1 orgasm per night of sex. Am I deceived?

No, I don't believe you're not deceived at all, Abe. Premature ejaculation, lack of experience with the opposite sex, over-anxiety, and just general pressure to satisfy a woman's sexual needs can often contribute to a man’s poor performance in the sack--so I’m sure you’re right.

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[Godwhacker]

First, I must address your ideas about Uncle Siggie... let me start by saying that Freud was addicted to cocaine for several years, but managed to break free of the addiction. Thus, I would not say that he was necessarily a huge cocaine addict. Also, cocaine, while certainly revving one up, doesn't usually have lasting effects on the brain unless you pop an artery or two via a stroke due to the increased blood pressure.

Penis envy was not one of Freud's better ideas. However, unlike those in other sciences, Freud was pretty much starting from near scratch. Psychology was just being born. Freud would put out ideas that he had. Some were golden (the subconscious mind), some were awful (penis envy), but there wasn't anything else out there for him to really go on. He was one of the first who attempted to halfway scientifically try to figure out what was going on in people's heads, before the days of the CT or MRI scan, or even decent brain surgery. Frankly, it is amazing how much he found out that was right (or close to it), given how little he had to go on.

Those who bash Freud, I find, are those who have not really read Freud, and/or understand his situation or the time period in which he lived. The man was unquestionably immature, narcissistic, and cranky, but he was also a genius. Unfortunately, many of his books are not reader friendly. They are thick and not well worded (partly due to translation, but also due to Freud being a very blunt, plain writer). Freud often used himself to try to figure out psychological principles. Unfortunately, he was a nerdy geek male, who didn't really know much about women. Thus, many of this theories about women are way way off the mark. He even acknowledged this later on in his life: "The great question that has never been answered, and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is "What does a woman want?""

I would add that Freud was a proud Atheist, who wrote several books blasting religion, and really paving the way for Atheism to become better known as a belief system ("Civilization and its Discontents", "The Future of an Illusion"). If he were around today, I think he would be proudly posting on this site!

Now, er, to the matter at hand! I seem to recall that Cosmo did a survey that suggested that penis girth was more important than length (uh, to a point...ahem.). Also, Abe is somewhat correct, in that about 1/3rd of women don't have orgasms from intercourse period. Also, women don't always orgasm every time they have sex.

So, at least in my mind, it is kind of balanced. Men always have orgasms (if the system is operating correctly), but only briefly, while women sometimes have orgasms, but when they do, it lasts much longer.

If you are one of the lucky women who orgasm every time you engage in sex, you are fortunate!

[flopstock]

How many orgasms do you have during sex on average? For nearly 100% of men, the answer is close to 1. As I understand it, women average considerably less than 1 orgasm per night of sex. Am I deceived?

Really? Where did you hear that? Why have sex then? Wow. My guy won't consider taking care of himself until after i've had at least one. If he's tired he knows to tone things down, 'cause after three..the boy is not going to get any sleep at all. It's like my body goes on autopilot or something.

Although now that I think on it, I can remember from my first marriage, doing it just to get it over..

[ApostateAbe]

How many orgasms do you have during sex on average? For nearly 100% of men, the answer is close to 1. As I understand it, women average considerably less than 1 orgasm per night of sex. Am I deceived?

Really? Where did you hear that? Why have sex then? Wow. My guy won't consider taking care of himself until after i've had at least one. If he's tired he knows to tone things down, 'cause after three..the boy is not going to get any sleep at all. It's like my body goes on autopilot or something.

Although now that I think on it, I can remember from my first marriage, doing it just to get it over..I hear it here and there. I figure it is likely to be the reason women often prefer to avoid sex. Perhaps they know ahead of time that they won't reach orgasm.

[Ari]

You have put a lot of thought into this, maybe we can come up with something that you envy. :)

The guys who think size is the end all to enjoyment probably never get good ratings in the sack. (Besides, everyone knows it's the size of your whip that matters, er um, did I say that? :) )

[Beth]

Um, there are women who cannot climax no matter how good the male is in the sack. There are women who also do not climax at certain times of the month due to hormonal levels.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

I'd rather have a penis. Why? I don't have to go through Menstrual cycles and wear a pad to keep blood off my underware. No PMSing. I can masturbate quite easily since it's all outside. I can draw my name in the snow with my urine. I can open and close the end of my urethra using my hands so it looks like my penis is talking. I can pretend it's a lighthouse when I'm taking a bath.

[Crumb]

:giggles:

[Adora]

Oh gods. Oh gods. Shut up Alexi. Just Shut. The. Fuck. Up. You're not even a funny troll.

I haven't even been back at this forum for 5 minutes and now I remember why I left. Oh fucking hell. Y'all do me a favour and look up "Criticisms of Scientific Nativism" sometime, kthnx. Fucking retards...

[viscousmemories]

I haven't even been back at this forum for 5 minutes and now I remember why I left. Oh fucking hell. Y'all do me a favour and look up "Criticisms of Scientific Nativism" sometime, kthnx. Fucking retards...
I always thought you left 'cause TomJoe kinda handed you your ass in the last debate you had here. It's really 'cause we're all retards?

[Adora]

I always thought you left 'cause TomJoe kinda handed you your ass in the last debate you had here.
Huh? I left because RL issues cut my internet time down and your stupid was outweighing the funny (thus, the retard classification and my subsequent comments in this thread) so you got cut from the "places regularly visited online" list.

Fucking priorities, man.

[Crumb]

Man, its so sad that we lost your wonderful contributions for so long. I am very glad you are back to set us straight though.

[Alex Bragi]

Oh gods. Oh gods. Shut up Alexi. Just Shut. The. Fuck. Up. You're not even a funny troll.

I haven't even been back at this forum for 5 minutes and now I remember why I left. Oh fucking hell. Y'all do me a favour and look up "Criticisms of Scientific Nativism" sometime, kthnx. Fucking retards...

Adora, I wonder if you could possibly post that again in a more articulate and civil manner that someone of my calibre can understand. Your odd slang and typos, peppered with numerous profantities, make it almost impossible for me to comprehend what you are actually trying to say. :yup:

[viscousmemories]

Huh? I left because RL issues cut my internet time down and your stupid was outweighing the funny (thus, the retard classification and my subsequent comments in this thread) so you got cut from the "places regularly visited online" list.

Fucking priorities, man.
Ah, I see. So it wasn't being repeatedly humiliated in debate that drove you away. Go figure.

[Adora]

Adora, I wonder if you could possibly post that again in a more articulate and civil manner that someone of my calibre can understand.
Okay, how about this:

Yes, research into the male orgasm shows it is rather short. However, it is very intense when compared to the typically recorded female orgasm. That's because it has a lot more work to do, so to say. The female orgasm (thus far) has not been found to have any connection to reproduction in the sense of the immediate act. So how about when using choice-quoted "statistics" in your cute little anecdotes, you try telling the whole truth, instead of the bits that just suit your taste.

Multiple orgasms do not happen in all women. Even M & J recognised this in their biased studies. However, they were also the hacks that re-invented Freud's "frigidity" in "anorgasmia", which was the same thing with an unhealthy does of Human Potential Movement and Sexual Liberation dogma tacked on, and, of course, using the false basis all male-dominated sexology abuses called... Scientific Nativism. Don't know what it is? Try google, kthnx. So quoting anything from their library is as dangerous as playing with Freud.

If you're going to criticise Freud, at least pretend you've read what he has to say. He was simply another in a long and colourful line of males and male-dominated institutions trying to tie female sexuality to reproduction and thus away from the obviously socially-dangerous area of female sexual autonomy, which is still going on today.

So, simply, before you start dropping names you know nothing about trying to support whatever point you're trying to make, try actually reading some of what they wrote. M&J's "Sexual Inadequacy" is one I'd personally recommend if you're looking for a laugh and a half. Until then, stop pretending you have any idea what you're talking about. I don't care how many dicks you've fucked, stay away from the theorising, kthnx.

Edit: And VM, whilst individuals such as yourself may place enough investment into the seriousness of internet relations as to be humiliated, some people have real lives.

[Alex Bragi]

Oh, yes, Adora, much better. :)

All right, this post was meant to be just simply a little bit of light-hearted fun. Nothing that I said was ever meant to be taken too seriously. I thought I had managed to convey that in the way I wrote it, however, either you, Adora, have absolutely no sense of humour, or I have failed completely.

Either way, I would suggest that you don't bother to respond to anything else I post on this forum --clearly my thoughts are too frivolous for you.

Ok? :)

[seebs]

How exactly do we compare the "intensity" of two orgasms? I have no non-comparative words for this. I know some women can't honestly tell you whether or not a given thing was "an orgasm" or not.

FWIW, I have had things I am sure were orgasms with no ejaculation, and vice versa (although both very rarely), so I don't think the question is entirely trivial to answer.

[seebs]

The female orgasm (thus far) has not been found to have any connection to reproduction in the sense of the immediate act.

Objection. A British study showed a substantial increase in conceptions from orgasms; first noticed in a study of whether women in affairs were more likely to be pregnant by husband or lover.

[Adora]

Objection. A British study showed a substantial increase in conceptions from orgasms; first noticed in a study of whether women in affairs were more likely to be pregnant by husband or lover.
I'll remain skeptical til I read it myself, and the phenomenon is observed more.

How exactly do we compare the "intensity" of two orgasms?
Well, there's the ones that feel like a mild sneeze, and then the ones where you black out for a little while afterwards.

I know some women can't honestly tell you whether or not a given thing was "an orgasm" or not.
*snickers* I think that might just be you, seebs.

[MollyMac]

I know some women can't honestly tell you whether or not a given thing was "an orgasm" or not.
*snickers* I think that might just be you, seebs.
I don't. I've had those 'things' and when I was younger they confused me but now at my advanced age I recognise them as low-key and rather inferior orgasms.

I also find it difficult to believe that any man has a more intense orgasm than my high-key superior ones are. I wouldn't care to have these "recorded" for research, however.

[livius drusus]

I've had those 'things' and when I was younger they confused me but now at my advanced age I recognise them as low-key and rather inferior orgasms.

Same here. They were weak and unsatisfying enough to be easily confused with the build-up ripples. I didn't know for sure that they had been orgasms until I had something to compare them to.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Oh gods. Oh gods. Shut up Alexi. Just Shut. The. Fuck. Up. You're not even a funny troll.

I haven't even been back at this forum for 5 minutes and now I remember why I left. Oh fucking hell. Y'all do me a favour and look up "Criticisms of Scientific Nativism" sometime, kthnx. Fucking retards...


You know Adora, I actually liked you. Now you've seemed to have become a practitioner of that acursed art, bitchcraft.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Well, there's the ones that feel like a mild sneeze, and then the ones where you black out for a little while afterwards.


Tis not fair! Not fair! :sadnana:

[seebs]

Objection. A British study showed a substantial increase in conceptions from orgasms; first noticed in a study of whether women in affairs were more likely to be pregnant by husband or lover.
I'll remain skeptical til I read it myself, and the phenomenon is observed more.

Go right ahead. There's plausible biological reasons for it to be true, anyway.

How exactly do we compare the "intensity" of two orgasms?
Well, there's the ones that feel like a mild sneeze, and then the ones where you black out for a little while afterwards.

That works within a person's experience. How do you compare between people? Food that strikes me as "slightly warm" might be "so hot I can barely eat it" to someone else.

So, for all I know, the same sensations that make one person almost black out are pretty mild to another.

I know some women can't honestly tell you whether or not a given thing was "an orgasm" or not.
*snickers* I think that might just be you, seebs.

Never seen this problem in person, just heard about it. :P

[seebs]

I've had those 'things' and when I was younger they confused me but now at my advanced age I recognise them as low-key and rather inferior orgasms.

Same here. They were weak and unsatisfying enough to be easily confused with the build-up ripples. I didn't know for sure that they had been orgasms until I had something to compare them to.

I've heard the same thing from other people. They aren't sure what an orgasm is until they've had a fairly good one, but then recognize some previous experiences as mild orgasms.

[MooseIBe]

I'd be interested know just what is considered 'orgasm'. For me, actual orgasm lasts a cpl seconds .. three at most. But I have those 'contractions' which are mentioned in the OP for thirty seconds afterwards. They're very pleasurable but they're not orgasms in themselves and I don't count them as being part of the initial orgasm.

I thought all women had them though?

[Adora]

Go right ahead. There's plausible biological reasons for it to be true, anyway.
And that is?

[seebs]

Go right ahead. There's plausible biological reasons for it to be true, anyway.
And that is?

Evolutionary strategies. Women do best if they can select physically ideal partner to father kids, and a socially ideal one to parent them.

[Dingfod]

I've read of theories that muscular contractions during female orgasms pull sperm from the vagina to the cervix, which opens and closes during orgasm. Don't ask me where, but I've seen video of the cervix during orgasm, it looks like pursed lips sucking. This explanation makes sense to me.

[Blake]

I saw a clip of the same or similar video on The Learning Channel. I wish I knew what the name of the program was, because I wanted to watch the whole thing. It was damned interesting.

[Dingfod]

That's where it was. I couldn't remember.

[Adora]

Women do best if they can select physically ideal partner to father kids, and a socially ideal one to parent them.
And this relates to orgasms how?

[Alex Bragi]

Adora, I've given this a whole lot of careful thought and consideration, and now I think there's a need to speak to you in language that you can clearly understand...ok? FUCK OFF!

Why are you you so freaking obsessed with me and my postings? Go start your own threads! Surely, you must have opinions on subjects other than what I'm posting here. Go start a thread on them!

[Crumb]

And this relates to orgasms how?
Good question.

[Adora]

Adora, I've given this a whole lot of careful thought and consideration, and now I think there's a need to speak to you in language that you can clearly understand...ok? FUCK OFF!
Awh, it's okay Alex. Just because I'm chatting with seebs, doesn't mean I can't continue giving attention to your whorey arse as well. There there. I still acknowledge your existence. Now go play with VM.

[D. Scarlatti]

I saw a clip of the same or similar video on The Spice Channel.

Fixed!

[Dingfod]

Penis envy cam strikes again.

[MooseIBe]

I've read of theories that muscular contractions during female orgasms pull sperm from the vagina to the cervix, which opens and closes during orgasm. Don't ask me where, but I've seen video of the cervix during orgasm, it looks like pursed lips sucking. This explanation makes sense to me.

I've heard this too, though I should imagine that most sperm are tenacious little buggers and can get there in the end, orgasm or not ;)

[Dingfod]

...I should imagine that most sperm are tenacious little buggers and can get there in the end, orgasm or not ;)They sure seem to, I mean I assume that women that don't have orgasms during sex also can get pregnant. I suppose female orgasm's purpose could be to make the process more of a sure thing.

[Adora]

Well, it's just that I've heard differing claims that the female orgasm both aids sperms movement into the body and also expells it. And that's not even taking into account the whole female-orgasm/heterosexual coitus discrepancy.

[Dingfod]

In my opinion, those that cannot have orgasm via heterosexual coitus are either not using the right sexual position or are not with the right sexual partner. Unless she's been faking for the last 29 years.

[inland wave]

Yeah, that's right, I"ve been faking it for the last 29 years.....NOT!!!!!!
must be the bed....it really doesn't have anything to do with the position does it????

[Adora]

In my opinion, those that cannot have orgasm via heterosexual coitus are either not using the right sexual position or are not with the right sexual partner.
For a lot of women, it doesn't matter how much they love the man their with and desire him, or what position they try, penetration just doesn't work. It takes other things, like oral or seperate stimulation of the clitoris to make it work for them. For a lot of them, actually, if even recent sex research statistics are close to correct.

[seebs]

Well, it's just that I've heard differing claims that the female orgasm both aids sperms movement into the body and also expells it. And that's not even taking into account the whole female-orgasm/heterosexual coitus discrepancy.

The "expells it" thing sounds sorta wacky, and wouldn't make much sense.

There are enough people who have orgasms from just plain fucking, and there are plenty more who are able to find a partner willing to finish the job by any means necessary. :)

[flopstock]

Well, it's just that I've heard differing claims that the female orgasm both aids sperms movement into the body and also expells it. And that's not even taking into account the whole female-orgasm/heterosexual coitus discrepancy.

The "expells it" thing sounds sorta wacky, and wouldn't make much sense.

There are enough people who have orgasms from just plain fucking, and there are plenty more who are able to find a partner willing to finish the job by any means necessary. :)

YES! :sex:

[Adora]

The "expells it" thing sounds sorta wacky, and wouldn't make much sense.
Only if you think the female orgasm exists to aid reproduction. Which not everyone does. Personally I side with Symond's view that the female orgasm is not an adaptation, and exists simply because of the genital similarities in males and females (which is why the clit is the primary organ for female orgasm). The evidence for the "keeps 'em horizontal for better impregnation" is shaky at best (false assumptions and cherrypicking of data on male sexual responses after orgasm) and the "reward" theory is even worse, since it again ignores the discrepancy, which exists in everything from higher primates to macaques (apparently, those noisey female birds prefer lesbianism for their pleasure).

There are enough people who have orgasms from just plain fucking, and there are plenty more who are able to find a partner willing to finish the job by any means necessary.
Of course. It actually wouldn't take that many successful reproductive sessions over a person's lifetime to continue the human race. But trying to tie women's sexual pleasure to reproduction has always been a rather shaky endeavour, because it's rarely supported by data.

[seebs]

I've never heard this "horizontal for better impregnation" theory, and it sounds stupid.

The overall connection (there's a strong correlation between sexual pleasure and reproductive body parts) is clear. The tendency for people ignorant of sexual acts to reinvent the ones that make babies, while not universal, is certainly widespread.

The existence of exceptions does not disprove theories in biology; correlation is enough, the relationship need not be absolute.

[inland wave]

I've never heard this "horizontal for better impregnation" theory, and it sounds stupid.

The overall connection (there's a strong correlation between sexual pleasure and reproductive body parts) is clear. The tendency for people ignorant of sexual acts to reinvent the ones that make babies, while not universal, is certainly widespread.

The existence of exceptions does not disprove theories in biology; correlation is enough, the relationship need not be absolute.
I agree.
Orgasm or no orgasm by the worman, I don't think position really has anything to do with it per say. People trying to have babies and do not conceive (besides medical issues) put themselves under alot of pressure, not really getting excited and enjoying themselves for the right reasons.
Thus the woman is just having sex and maybe the sperm will travel on to implant without the contractions needed by orgasm.
I've heard stories of women using pillows to prop themselves at an angle after sex so the semen will travel the canal and hopefully make some kind of connection. ( oh, so much fun I'm sure) Success rate? I don't know.
While other people can have sex anywhere, anytime and boom--(orgasm or no orgasm by the worman) no protection? congratulations your going to be a parent.

I do belive that what ever position you chose should be comfortable for both you and your partner. If your into kinky stuff...more power to you.

[Beth]

If your into kinky stuff...more power to you.
Thank you, thank you very much. :P

[Adora]

The overall connection (there's a strong correlation between sexual pleasure and reproductive body parts) is clear.
Yes, but there's far less of a connection between female sexual pleasure and reproductive acts, which is what I'm talking about.

Take nipples on men, for example. They're pointless, but exist because of the physical similarities between male and female anatomy. I've got a gay friend who'll come sometimes if his lover just plays with his nipples, and doesn't even have to touch his cock. Does that mean that in every man nipples are an importantly evolved part of reproduction?

The existence of exceptions does not disprove theories in biology; correlation is enough, the relationship need not be absolute.
Unless, of course, the exceptions are the ones being argued as universal. Have you even looked at a survey of female sexual pleasure in heterosexual coitus? Those that orgasm often enough for it to be considered an evolutionary benefit are always in the minority. Turning around and blaming this on bad lays is just ignoring basic physiology.

And how would you argue the evolutionary selection of this, if the orgasm discrepancy is supposedly based on mate-techniques?

[Sweetie]

I've got a gay friend who'll come sometimes if his lover just plays with his nipples, and doesn't even have to touch his cock.

That's a hard claim to believe just FYI.

[Beth]

I don't think it is at all.

[flopstock]

I've got a gay friend who'll come sometimes if his lover just plays with his nipples, and doesn't even have to touch his cock.

That's a hard claim to believe just FYI.
don't know about guys, but it sure works for me!

[Sweetie]

I don't think it is at all.


Really?

Males with that sensitive nipples, enough to produce orgasm without any other stimulation or physical touch? I wasn't aware that that was a big errogenous zone for a man, while I knew some could get something out of it, I have never heard of anything more than just the feeling of a pleasant sensation, certainly not specially orgasmic.

As a woman I can just about orgasm if my nipples are stimulated the right way at the right time but I thought nipples reacted differently for males and weren't necessarily hooked up in the same way as a females.

:chin:

[Ari]

I don't think most people are aware, and it probably isn't that way for everyone. Just as for you there is a "right way" I really doubt that it began and ended with just nipple stimulation.

[Adora]

As a woman I can just about orgasm if my nipples are stimulated the right way at the right time but I thought nipples reacted differently for males and weren't necessarily hooked up in the same way as a females.
It's not like all women have electric nipples either. In fact, most girls I have discussed the matter with say their nipples are quite insensitive, and generally only really worth playing with when they're orgasming. But strangely, I know several gentlemen who love it when people play with their nipples (mr look-ma-no-hands included). *shrugs*

[Endora]

I have penis envy. Im a gay man trapped in a female body....

[Crumb]

:cough:

[seebs]

I've got a gay friend who'll come sometimes if his lover just plays with his nipples, and doesn't even have to touch his cock.

That's a hard claim to believe just FYI.

I dunno, I've known enough women who can come from that that it wouldn't surprise me too much.

[ms_ann_thrope]

I've always thought that the female orgasm exists for purely reproductive purposes -- if we didn't have them, we would never bother having sex with men. :P

[viscousmemories]

I've always thought that the female orgasm exists for purely reproductive purposes -- if we didn't have them, we would never bother having sex with men. :P
Huh. I've always heard that involving a man dramatically reduces your chances of having one. :chin:

[ms_ann_thrope]

Huh. I've always heard that involving a man dramatically reduces your chances of having one. :chin:
LOL! Good point. :laugh: