Cut me some slack!

[Sweetie]

I've been around here for over a year. It's hard to quit. :sadcheer:

I have like three threads I want to start but feel like I shouldn't because I shouldn't be here. :(

:dunno:

I need to stay distracted unfortunately, and there's literaly very little else for me to be doing. :shrug: All three of my kids are in school at the moment. I'm going to look for a job starting next week though. That will help.

I don't want to fight with everybody though. Believe it or not, I like debating, I don't like fighting.

[Crumb]

I seem to have some extra slack in my jaw. You're welcome to it. :wink: :hug:

[livius drusus]

I'm on a fighting moratorium. :hugme:

[Crumb]

I'm on a fighting moratorium.
Oh yeah? :poke:

[Ymir's blood]

/me is on a fighting mausoleum. :mori:

[livius drusus]

Poking isn't fighting, is it? :omgpoke:

[Crumb]

I suppose not, but it is fun. :pokes:

[livius drusus]

Good times. :poke2:

[Fencesitter]

I don't want to fight with everybody though. Believe it or not, I like debating, I don't like fighting.

Hey Sweetie,

I hope you're doing well.

What do you want to debate about? I don't know if I could give you any opposition since I'm not very versed in the topics that you seem to talk about like Catholicism, homosexuality, abortion, etc.

Are there no takers on CF to start a good debate?

Fence

[viscousmemories]

I guess I'll be the bully who says if you think you shouldn't be here, maybe you shouldn't be here. I'm not going to encourage you to do something you don't feel like you should be doing just because you feel compelled to do it by boredom and familiarity.

[wei yau]

I suppose not, but it is fun. :pokes:

It sure is!

:fuckglomp:

[Crumb]

:yikes: That's not the kind of poke I was referring to.

[Sweetie]

I guess I'll be the bully who says if you think you shouldn't be here, maybe you shouldn't be here. I'm not going to encourage you to do something you don't feel like you should be doing just because you feel compelled to do it by boredom and familiarity.

Alright, to be honest, this would probably be a good thing.

The main reason I feel like I shouldn't be here is because of you. I perceive that you have personal angst against me. I perceive that no matter what, I will have to deal with you, that's what I feel experience has shown me. Simple things of me and mine might be made complicated through you. Everything will be a hassle, every discussion I have or every disagreement I have on this board I will have to deal with you. Every person I have problems with, I will have to deal with your problems with me first.

That's how I feel. I am more antagonistic because of that. I actually mean no harm to anybody and the truth of the matter is, if I could live my life and not rock the boat except when I absolutely had to, I would be pleased. You make me feel that I absolutely have to moreso than I do. You make me feel like even if I feel or can be seen to be totally justified, I will always fail or be wrong in your eyes, no matter what I do.

That's how I feel, that's what I perceive, that's what's going on on this end. That's what I think, that's what I predict, that's what.

I say that that way so you mark the ideas of "feel" "perception", etc. That's me. I could be wrong, but that's me. Because of that, that's why I cry "bias" and "herd mentality." In that sense, you will always have problems with me, it will always be my fault, even if it is someone's else's fault first. That won't matter to you in the end, is my perception, my guess. You will look to vindicate those close to you and on your side first, before you would consider me and my justifications. I have no benefit of the doubt first in your eyes, is my perception. My money, as Ronin would put it, is no good to you. I'd have to prove why it should be good to you before you would accept it.

[Crumb]

You could always ignore him, Sweetie.

[Sweetie]

I don't want to fight with everybody though. Believe it or not, I like debating, I don't like fighting.

Hey Sweetie,

I hope you're doing well.

What do you want to debate about? I don't know if I could give you any opposition since I'm not very versed in the topics that you seem to talk about like Catholicism, homosexuality, abortion, etc.

Are there no takers on CF to start a good debate?

Fence

Actually, I think I've had quite a few good discussions so far but, on the one hand they are interesting and I'm interested in CF again, on the other hand, things go too fast and I want to sometimes talk about more personal things.

I suppose I need an outlet sometimes. There's more going on with that other story that I just found out yesterday but, I really do need distraction.

[Sweetie]

You could always ignore him, Sweetie.

I don't want to. :sadcheer:

I like vm, I don't understand what I did that was so bad. I don't know why we have to be at odds. Believe it or not, I don't like being at odds. Philosophically, sure, but personally? No. I don't consider the two the same thing.

I'm an adult, we aren't children, we don't have to insinuate, we can deal. We can work things out if we deal with it, etc.

I was shocked one time with a response. I'm like, where did that come from?

[MooseIBe]

Hey Sweetie.. maybe it would be a good idea to stay away from the heavy debate forums for a while and just start some light hearted meaningless threads on the watering hole? (I am very good at this ;)). Try a poll about, I dunno, what your favourite green veg is or something. I know some people sneer at threads like that but the fact is it's a good and lighthearted way to chew the fat with people, even people you don't get along with.

[Sweetie]

One thing I wanted to explain to him is that I rarely ever mean anything that sounds insulting. He took offense to some things I've said to others, primarily Adora, and Ensign Steve.

To me, that's just the way things work. I insult only to prove that I can, that I'm not stupid, I'm not an easy target, or that I won't allow someone to sit there and take potshots at me without defending myself.

I noticed, for instance, that he was saying something about how he figures he's not sexually attractive and I used lack of sexual attraction as an insult to Ensign Steve so he probably felt, on some level, personally offended through that.

I didn't mean what I said. To me, that's just the dynamics oftentimes between women. Women are cruel, I can be very cruel but it's just a defense, I don't mean alot of the things I use in my defense and I am defending just to prove that I can, not because I feel I need to and so that I can stave off the need to further defend myself at a later date, to ward off attacks and the possibility of further attacks. They might still come, but at least I've done something. It makes me feel better.

Anything I have ever said to Adora that was nasty was just giving her a taste of her own medicine. Her medicine is nasty. It was not personal in any way, I do it just to prove a point. It's a tool. Does he understand that because he didn't seem to at the time. Some women use verbal sparring as a, whatever. It's not necessarily personal and we don't necessarily mean what we say.

[MooseIBe]

By he are you still talking about VM? When did he say he did not feel sexually attractive? I think he's dead sexy :D. I dunno what he looks like but it doesn't matter you know?

[godfry n. glad]

You will look to vindicate those close to you and on your side first, before you would consider me and my justifications. I have no benefit of the doubt first in your eyes, is my perception.

Um... Sweetie?

I think this is a misperception on your part. vm and I have clashed several times over my tendency to go ballistic with my posts. I accuse him of trying to be a moderator at an unmoderated site and he tries to patiently explain that he feels that my methods are uncalled for. It's his personal opinion. It's his style. He rarely plays favorites in terms of those who share his views on thread content. But he often challenges those whose style is abrasive or insulting. Anybody who escalates too quickly, or makes a discussion personal, is a target for vm's opinions. I know, I've been there. Several times.

So, my suggestion is for you to cut vm a little slack, or take the heat and do what you will.

[viscousmemories]

Well I don't really know what to say, Sweetie. From my perspective I have bent over backward 95% of the last year to make you feel comfortable and welcome here despite repeated occurrences of personal attacks from you toward me and other members here, and you are using the 5% where I got fed up and snapped back as evidence that I am and have always been out to get you. I'm not, and I never have been. If you want me to promise never to challenge anything you post here I can't promise that. If you think my doing so means I'm out to get you then I must be out to get a lot of people here, because I find that I often express disagreement with things people say. :shrug:

[JoeP]

Hi Sweetie. Post your threads. I would love to hear more from you. Don't be afraid of the big bad vm.

[Sweetie]

Well I don't really know what to say, Sweetie. From my perspective I have bent over backward 95% of the last year to make you feel comfortable and welcome here despite repeated occurrences of personal attacks from you toward me and other members here, and you are using the 5% where I got fed up and snapped back as evidence that I am and have always been out to get you.

Ah see, you remember my personal attacks, you do not recall those directed at me, perhaps they never existed? 'Tis my problem vm.

I feel I have been long suffering with you too, so maybe you bent over backwards 95% of the time, and maybe I did too.

I'm not, and I never have been. If you want me to promise never to challenge anything you post here I can't promise that. If you think my doing so means I'm out to get you then I must be out to get a lot of people here, because I find that I often express disagreement with things people say. :shrug:

I don't need you in every personal discussion I ever have. In fact, I think it was obvious that you didn't belong between me and Ensign Steve, as a last example. Me and others can work things out, I don't owe anything to you, I don't have to run anything past you or get you to agree with my ways before I act, and I don't have to answer to you. People respond and act and manage things differently. Your way is not necessarily the best way.

In case you haven't learned, don't get in the middle of a bitch fight. There's not necessarily any rhyme or reason to it anyway except to gauge limits and figure out weaknesses, uncover insecurities aka targets. :D .....or......just bitch.

Challenge me but don't breathe down my neck and recheck to make sure you aren't doing it because of personal animosity and it'll be great, I'm quite sure. Everybody needs space and everbody dislikes the way wasps hover.

I usually only breathe down someone's neck because they are breathing down mine and cease when they cease. D. Scarlatti will be an excellent future example. :P

[Sweetie]

Hi Sweetie. Post your threads. I would love to hear more from you. Don't be afraid of the big bad vm.

I'm glad you're back JoeP.

[Sweetie]

By he are you still talking about VM? When did he say he did not feel sexually attractive? I think he's dead sexy :D. I dunno what he looks like but it doesn't matter you know?

He actually is really nice to look at. There's a thread around here with a pic. :wink:

He says he feels he is not very sexually attractive. Because he is rather attractive, he is obviously rather insecure and hard on himself. I'm just hard so he will be sensitive to my abrasiveness and things that I don't consider attacks he might take personally and feel I have been attacking him even if it's not directed at him.

It's all about miscommunication and each other's sensitivities. I'm very sensitive, just not in the same place most people are and not to the degree that most people are. You'd be surprised though. :D

[viscousmemories]

Ah see, you remember my personal attacks, you do not recall those directed at me, perhaps they never existed? 'Tis my problem vm.
No, I remember people attacking you too. I don't understand why every time I make a comment about your behavior, you point to the behavior of others. Is your point that I'm inconsistent for criticising you and not them? I think that's arguable on its face :D, but even if it's so does that excuse your behavior? As godfry pointed out I have an extensive record of criticising what I consider antisocial behaviors here. Partly motivated by self-righteousness but largely by a desire to encourage a more positive social environment here.

There's obviously all kinds of flaws in that strategy and I clearly don't always live up to the standards I encourage, but I think your conclusion that I single you (or anyone) out for criticism while turning a blind eye to identical behavior from others is unfounded. I think it's more likely that we simply disagree about what is merely distasteful and what is "over the line", warranting comment. I realize I don't always recognize my own biases though.

I feel I have been long suffering with you too, so maybe you bent over backwards 95% of the time, and maybe I did too.
Fair enough. Maybe you did.

I don't need you in every personal discussion I ever have. In fact, I think it was obvious that you didn't belong between me and Ensign Steve, as a last example. Me and others can work things out, I don't owe anything to you, I don't have to run anything past you or get you to agree with my ways before I act, and I don't have to answer to you. People respond and act and manage things differently. Your way is not necessarily the best way.
I have actually made a concerted effort to stay out of your interactions with others, I don't think you owe me anything and have never said you do, I don't think you answer to me and have never suggested that you do, and I have never said that mine is the only or best way to handle arguments. I accept that you believe all of this of me, but I don't know how to respond to criticisms of behaviors I don't believe I have ever demonstrated.

In case you haven't learned, don't get in the middle of a bitch fight. There's not necessarily any rhyme or reason to it anyway except to gauge limits and figure out weaknesses. :D
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right that I should've stayed out of your fight with Ensign Steve and I wish I had. Hopefully I'll remember the lesson when the situation arises again.

Challenge me but don't breathe down my neck and recheck to make sure you aren't doing it because of personal animosity and it'll be great, I'm quite sure. Everybody needs space and everbody dislikes the way wasps hover.
I constantly check and recheck whether I'm responding objectively or subjectively, but unfortunately it's rare that I can tell the difference in the heat of the moment. You can rest assured though that I rarely post without having given thorough consideration to what I mean to say and that I do not follow you around looking for opportunities to criticize you.

I usually only breathe down someone's neck because they are breathing down mine and cease when they cease. D. Scarlatti will be an excellent future example. :P
We shall see. :)

[viscousmemories]

He actually is really nice to look at. There's a thread around here with a pic. :wink:
Thanks. :D

He says he feels he is not very sexually attractive. Because he is rather attractive, he is obviously rather insecure and hard on himself.
If I've ever said I don't feel sexually attractive, I was being self-deprecating for its own sake. I know I'm not physically beautiful or in good physical condition, but that doesn't mean I'm not dead sexy. I am.

[godfry n. glad]

By he are you still talking about VM? When did he say he did not feel sexually attractive? I think he's dead sexy :D. I dunno what he looks like but it doesn't matter you know?

He actually is really nice to look at. There's a thread around here with a pic. :wink:

There's a picture of vm somewhere around here?

Really?

If you find it, would you alert me? I'm curious.

How about liv? Any pix of her?

[Fencesitter]

Awww. . . this is nice.

Group hug.

:grouphug:

Fence

[Fencesitter]

There's a picture of vm somewhere around here?

Really?

If you find it, would you alert me? I'm curious.

How about liv? Any pix of her?

Put me on the notify list also, please.

Fence

[Crumb]

There is a few pics of vm on Ensign Steve's website godfry. Here is one. (http://gallery.ensignsteve.com/gallery/112203/viscousmemories_COAS) liv remains unphotographed I believe.

[MooseIBe]

Ooooh he really is cute :) (and she's gorgeous, though not in a sexual way in that case ;)).

[godfry n. glad]

Hey, thanks, Crumb.

I don't know from cute when it comes to guys, but vm looks like some kind of golf pro (minus the Izod shirt, of course).... And if he's supposed to be so damned unappealling, why is he hanging out with that Marlo Thomas clone?

Well, at least we all now know he's some some kind of slack-jawed troglodyte.

[ceptimus]

The admins here have put a whole slew of clever ignore features into the software, so that you don't have to be bothered by people you dislike. I think the only people who can't use the features are the admins themselves, but there's nothing (AFAIK) to prevent you ignoring an admin.

Why don't you stop carping about past threads and start some new ones, or contribute to some existing ones? These forums are supposed to be fun and interesting; if you want gloom and doom, watch the TV news instead.

There's an obvious thread to start: 'Why forums are better than TV'

[ceptimus]

There is a few pics of vm on Ensign Steve's website godfry. Here is one. (http://gallery.ensignsteve.com/gallery/112203/viscousmemories_COAS) liv remains unphotographed I believe.
I thought I saw a photo of her somewhere on the internet :lecher: - but maybe I imagined that.

[viscousmemories]

And if he's supposed to be so damned unappealling, why is he hanging out with that Marlo Thomas clone?
That's Lauri D, and I agree that she makes me look better.

[Fencesitter]

There is a few pics of vm on Ensign Steve's website godfry. Here is one. (http://gallery.ensignsteve.com/gallery/112203/viscousmemories_COAS) liv remains unphotographed I believe.

Thanks, Crumb.

Looking good, vm. :1thumbup:

(no catcall whistle smilies?)

Fence

[Ensign Steve]

It would make me really happy if you never uttered my name again, Sweetie. Especially since you have an annoying habit of always doing so when I am at work or asleep.

Leave me along and I'll leave you alone. Kay?

[viscousmemories]

Looking good, vm. :1thumbup:
Thanks. :)

[Ensign Steve]

I don't need you in every personal discussion I ever have. In fact, I think it was obvious that you didn't belong between me and Ensign Steve, as a last example. Me and others can work things out, I don't owe anything to you, I don't have to run anything past you or get you to agree with my ways before I act, and I don't have to answer to you. People respond and act and manage things differently. Your way is not necessarily the best way.
I have actually made a concerted effort to stay out of your interactions with others, I don't think you owe me anything and have never said you do, I don't think you answer to me and have never suggested that you do, and I have never said that mine is the only or best way to handle arguments. I accept that you believe all of this of me, but I don't know how to respond to criticisms of behaviors I don't believe I have ever demonstrated.

In case you haven't learned, don't get in the middle of a bitch fight. There's not necessarily any rhyme or reason to it anyway except to gauge limits and figure out weaknesses. :D
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right that I should've stayed out of your fight with Ensign Steve and I wish I had. Hopefully I'll remember the lesson when the situation arises again.


What the hell?! We weren't even having a discussion. Check your time stamps. I was at work that day.

[viscousmemories]

What the hell?! We weren't even having a discussion. Check your time stamps. I was at work that day.
Are you saying you didn't have any interaction with Sweetie?

[Ensign Steve]

No I'm not saying that. But interaction does not a discussion nor a fight make.

[viscousmemories]

Okay, fair enough. In any case I only meant that I should've stayed out of your dispute, whether it was one-sided, two-sided, justified, warranted or not. It just wasn't my business.

[maddog]

Hi Sweetie. Post your threads. I would love to hear more from you. Don't be afraid of the big bad vm.Sweetie,
I will echo JoeP's post. If you really feel the need to, please go ahead and post your threads. You said you've got about three ideas at least that you want to kick around. You can choose what you are comfortable with, and who you are comfortable corresponding with. If you can't get something off your chest in a Freethought Forum, where can you? Whether or not you decide to post, take care of yourself, okay?
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[freemonkey]

I didn't mean what I said. To me, that's just the dynamics oftentimes between women. Women are cruel, I can be very cruel but it's just a defense, I don't mean alot of the things I use in my defense and I am defending just to prove that I can, not because I feel I need to and so that I can stave off the need to further defend myself at a later date, to ward off attacks and the possibility of further attacks. They might still come, but at least I've done something. It makes me feel better.

I take exception to this. I'm a woman and I don't think I've ever been accused of being cruel. I have many woman friends, none of them cruel (that I know of).

Sweetie, it seems to me that you are trying to defend your defensive behavior here. If, as you claim, you don't need to defend yourself, why do you bother? Especially when it causes rifts between you and others? IMO, "defending just to prove that I can" is an offensive posture, almost bravado? (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bravado)

[Adora]

I have like three threads I want to start but feel like I shouldn't because I shouldn't be here. :(
So? Fuck off then.

I need to stay distracted unfortunately, and there's literaly very little else for me to be doing.
So what, exactly, happened to "OMG The people are being so meeeaaaannnn the hassling my family and I have to devote all my energies to them bai guys!" shite?

Believe it or not, I like debating, I don't like fighting.
Except you don't debate, so this comment is a lie.

[pescifish]

...but that doesn't mean I'm not dead sexy. I am.Damn straight! You're pretty sexy live, too.

[Sweetie]

No, I remember people attacking you too. I don't understand why every time I make a comment about your behavior, you point to the behavior of others. Is your point that I'm inconsistent for criticising you and not them? I think that's arguable on its face :D, but even if it's so does that excuse your behavior? As godfry pointed out I have an extensive record of criticising what I consider antisocial behaviors here. Partly motivated by self-righteousness but largely by a desire to encourage a more positive social environment here.

Problem being, I don't think you normally understand my behavior. To criticize me or bring me to task for attacking someone like Adora is absurd!

There's obviously all kinds of flaws in that strategy and I clearly don't always live up to the standards I encourage, but I think your conclusion that I single you (or anyone) out for criticism while turning a blind eye to identical behavior from others is unfounded. I think it's more likely that we simply disagree about what is merely distasteful and what is "over the line", warranting comment. I realize I don't always recognize my own biases though.

Well, Adora to me was a very important example. If you ever criticize someone else for criticizing or attacking Adora, I will change my mind. "Why are you making things personal?" With who am I making things personal? This person or this person?

And in the end it was Adora you were talking about! :D The one person for a certainty I was not getting personal with no matter how many "personal" sounding insults I flung!

That was an........interesting experience with you, vm.
We shall see. :)

Fair 'nough.

[Sweetie]

How about liv? Any pix of her?

Nope, nowhere, I googled!

[Sweetie]

The admins here have put a whole slew of clever ignore features into the software, so that you don't have to be bothered by people you dislike. I think the only people who can't use the features are the admins themselves, but there's nothing (AFAIK) to prevent you ignoring an admin.

Why don't you stop carping about past threads and start some new ones, or contribute to some existing ones? These forums are supposed to be fun and interesting; if you want gloom and doom, watch the TV news instead.

There's an obvious thread to start: 'Why forums are better than TV'

When things are clear, that's a great idea so then everything isn't reoccuring. That makes the most sense to me. Miscommunication is just that.

The problem is too, do you realize how many people have left here and some with the same criticisms and some who were really cool? Sometimes it happens that the only ones who stick around are kind of a group and similar in thought and assume similar things. It happens. Relationships take work, that's all there is to it, especially between people with extreme differences.

[Sweetie]

It would make me really happy if you never uttered my name again, Sweetie. Especially since you have an annoying habit of always doing so when I am at work or asleep.

Leave me along and I'll leave you alone. Kay?

I'm not afraid of you not leaving me alone, if that's a worry on your part. I don't agree to leave you "alone" since I've never been on your case except when you were on mine. Events are events, I may speak of them if I so wish. To say that I don't think that vm or anyone else in this instance, needs to stand between us is not not leaving you alone. Your request is absurd as such, in context. If I bring up this instance ever again, perhaps if you're not leaving me alone at some future point, will you then say that I was not leaving you alone? That's your logic at this point.

This criticism though is one of the stupidest I've ever heard. "Annoying habit of bringing up an interaction that was public when you're at work or asleep."

[Sweetie]

I take exception to this. I'm a woman and I don't think I've ever been accused of being cruel. I have many woman friends, none of them cruel (that I know of).

Sweetie, it seems to me that you are trying to defend your defensive behavior here. If, as you claim, you don't need to defend yourself, why do you bother? Especially when it causes rifts between you and others? IMO, "defending just to prove that I can" is an offensive posture, almost bravado? (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bravado)

Defending myself just to prove I'm capable. Do you suppose I should just smile and nod, that makes sense to you?

Correction, many women are cruel.

[Sweetie]

No I'm not saying that. But interaction does not a discussion nor a fight make.
An interaction you began, on your actions and behavior.

If it wasn't a fight, it should have been. If you go around insulting random people who you've never had a negative interaction with and nobody ever calls you on it or fights with you about it, they should, IMHO.

[Sweetie]

So? Fuck off then.

Negligible.


So what, exactly, happened to "OMG The people are being so meeeaaaannnn the hassling my family and I have to devote all my energies to them bai guys!" shite?

Well, if you must know, he left us alone for two weeks but that's only because he started harassing my sister's single thirty-one year old good-looking friend. She can't even go home anymore. He and his friends even follow her and the police are doing shit.

I'm more relaxed about it because I had two weeks to breathe. Now, I'm a bit upset again because I don't know when he's going to stop, how far he's going to go and where the fuck are the cops. We have to sit and wait for a cop to get off of holidays to stop a stalker who is costing all of us serious money to buy new tires and repaint our cars, pay our deductables. It's insane!


Except you don't debate, so this comment is a lie.

And last but not least, Adora! :D

Serioulsy, if we all cared about "getting you" we'd just ignore you 'cause I bet that drives you nuts. You have so much to say, you have so much to offer, you're so smart and always so right, how can we not see it? What would we do without you here to tell us.

I wonder if your attitude and behavior is based on a fear of being insignificant? I have no idea, but that's what I would guess.

So, I think the best way to deal with you is treat you like you were fluff, or ignore you completely. Nothing probably annoys you so much, no other words I could say, no insults I could fling would probably work as good as that.

LOL, I'm responding only to show you how insignificant your comments, especially in this instance, actually are. :D

:popcorn:

[Sweetie]

So, those are the only questions, requests, comments? Is it good then, for the time being?

[SharonDee]

Yeah, I got a question. Are you finally--at last--going to ignore Adora now? I'm just curious, being a noncombatant bystander and all. :innocent:

[Sweetie]

Yeah, I got a question. Are you finally--at last--going to ignore Adora now? I'm just curious, being a noncombatant bystander and all. :innocent:

If I ignore her completely she's managed to force me into a position, right? She has no such power over me. I will respond substantially to her if she responds substantially to me, if she responds unsubstantially I will either ignore her or try to annoy her in my own way, whatever I feel like at any given time. I do not grant her the ability to make me do anything. It should matter to no one but her and I.

She gets a pay off from her behavior, she gets what she wants. What she wants sometimes is to annoy, to insult, to offend, to make angry, to force someone to ignore her, that way someone is doing what she wants. I have often done much the same thing in the past in interpersonal relationships. I will push away and they'll look at me and say you failed because we are no longer in a relationship and I just look at them and say, you're wrong, that's what I actually wanted I just didn't do it in the normal way. I forced you to force me away, I wanted to be away.

It's oftentimes I think, a question of control.

For instance, a hypothethical. I love someone so much that I have some control of my behavior, except the ability to leave of my own accord. If I choose to leave it will kill me and the possibility of what could have been would kill me if I just leave. Therefore, I get him to push me away, I have controlled things. I don't want to be controlled by anybody, therefore I'm controlling the situation that is controlling me. If I leave things in shambles, the door is no longer still half open the way it would have been if I left things good. There's too a question of personal investment.

Anyhoo, that's over and above anything that is happening here, but to be honest, I think some of the basic ideas are what happens with Adora.

That is indeed psychobable and psychobable is really annoying but some thoughts at least. I could be completely wrong, but those are some thoughts even still.

[SharonDee]

Okay, then.
:shutmou:

[Sweetie]

:P

:D

[viscousmemories]

I will respond substantially to her if she responds substantially to me [...]
I honestly don't remember the context in which I criticized you for making things personal with Adora, but I vaguely remember it being a situation where she had responded substantially to you (few and far between though such responses are) and you responded by making it personal. My recollection could be wrong though... do you remember where I made that comment so I can re-read it?

[MooseIBe]

Just to stick my oar in where I should prolly leave it out, I actually agree with Sweetie that women can be very cruel. Not all, but some.

[Sweetie]

I honestly don't remember the context in which I criticized you for making things personal with Adora, but I vaguely remember it being a situation where she had responded substantially to you (few and far between though such responses are) and you responded by making it personal. My recollection could be wrong though... do you remember where I made that comment so I can re-read it?

I'm sorry but *groan".

How about this? You recall a situation whereas me and Adora were interacting in whatever way, and you took it upon yourself to call me on "making it personal" even though you admit substantial posts from Adora, completely without insult and personal attacks are few and far between?

I would argue either way, that you picking on me in any instance for any reason on behalf of Adora who has probably managed to insult everybody in some way was ridiculous. I can just say it was tactical and that in my eyes, is a good enough reason. Treat her the way she treats others. If I'm offering substance and she's offering attacks, and she offers substance, then to offer attacks for demonstration purposes is justified, and not personal (though if I do recall correctly, she was being insulting.) She really wants to get under other people's skin.

How about I just claim it was tactical and leave it at that since you recall bare bones and to dig this up I'll have to go through that feminist thread which transfered to that other thread I think in the Watering Hole which began actually I think, in the porn thread with me and you. Hmm, no, jman's porn thread, then feminist thread, then Watering Hole thread which was interspersed with Scarlatti which lead to....something else, I think another thread in Philosophy which eventually ended in my Rant thread and here we are. I don't want to go back. I want to clarify what now needs to be clarified and I think in this instance, we have enough to go on.

I reserve the right to manage communication with Adora in any way I see fit. The day you defend her to others and their behavior to her will be the day you are vindicated in my eyes.

[Skep]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7044/crackpot3ay.gif

[viscousmemories]

The day you defend her to others and their behavior to her will be the day you are vindicated in my eyes.
I really don't care if I'm ever 'vindicated' in your eyes, Sweetie. I have been as honest and straightforward with you as I can be. Always. If you aren't satisfied, so be it. I have nothing to prove to you.

You just told SharonDee that you intend to respond substantially to any substantial posts from Adora. I pointed out that you had just criticized me earlier for once making a comment when you responded to a substantial post from Adora with (IIRC) a nasty personal attack. Now you seem to be saying that because Adora is frequently nasty to people, you are justified in always being nasty to her regardless of whether any given post is substantial, and I should just stay out of it.

If you want to clarify this apparent contradiction feel free, for my part I'm done here.

[pescifish]

I really hope you find a great job and other distractions that help.

You have people here who like you and are encouraging you to post, do us all a favor and ignore the rest of us and just do it. Post what you want to say without submitting us all to this sort of narcissistic attention sucking/board bashing thread.

If you are using this board as a distraction for Some Horrible Things in your life, then I will reiterate my sincere wish that Those Horrible Things stop and/or you can find productive IRL things that can help keep you enthused and happy.

[Fencesitter]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7044/crackpot3ay.gif

Forgive my newness again here. But what does this mean and how does this apply to this thread?

Fence

[godfry n. glad]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7044/crackpot3ay.gif

Forgive my newness again here. But what does this mean and how does this apply to this thread?

Fence

I interpreted it to be "crackpot" and in reference to the OPs poster.

(...and it's not your newness. I'm not new and it's the first time I've ever seen it.)

[Fencesitter]

Post what you want to say without submitting us all to this sort of narcissistic attention sucking/board bashing thread.

Again, I obviously don't know all the history here, but could you explain this a little more.

I don't know what "narcissistic attention sucking/board bashing" means and might want to stay away from it in the future since it doesn't sound very nice. But it's not all that clear how to distinguish that kind of thread from others I've seen here especially in regards to this thread. Could you help me understand what I'm missing here?

Fence

[Fencesitter]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7044/crackpot3ay.gif

Forgive my newness again here. But what does this mean and how does this apply to this thread?

Fence

I interpreted it to be "crackpot" and in reference to the OPs poster.

(...and it's not your newness. I'm not new and it's the first time I've ever seen it.)

Thanks for the reply.

So is this a personal matter as regards to Skep and Sweetie or something specific about the first post in this thread or something else?

If it's something specific as regards to the post, I'm not understanding it and was hoping for more of an explanation.

Fence

[Ensign Steve]

Fence, consider yourself lucky for not being privy to all the details. You'll be no better a person for being let in on all the explanations, and as it stands now, you just come off looking like a shit-stirrer.

[freemonkey]

Defending myself just to prove I'm capable. Do you suppose I should just smile and nod, that makes sense to you

I think I missed all those discussions where your only choice was to defend yourself or smile & nod in the face of attack.


Yeah, I got a question. Are you finally--at last--going to ignore Adora now? I'm just curious, being a noncombatant bystander and all. :innocent:

If I ignore her completely she's managed to force me into a position, right? She has no such power over me...... I do not grant her the ability to make me do anything.................

She gets a pay off from her behavior, she gets what she wants. What she wants sometimes is to annoy, to insult, to offend, to make angry, to force someone to ignore her, that way someone is doing what she wants.

It looks like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, huh? :chin:

I have often done much the same thing in the past in interpersonal relationships. I will push away and they'll look at me and say you failed because we are no longer in a relationship and I just look at them and say, you're wrong, that's what I actually wanted I just didn't do it in the normal way. I forced you to force me away, I wanted to be away.

It's oftentimes I think, a question of control.

I edited (& highlighted) your comments because I wanted to comment on some things that really stand out to me. I think you are projecting your motivations, behavior and responses on others.

[Fencesitter]

Fence, consider yourself lucky for not being privy to all the details. You'll be no better a person for being let in on all the explanations, and as it stands now, you just come off looking like a shit-stirrer.

Hmm. This is sounding a lot like IIDB here.

"Things are happening here for a reason. You're not privy to that reason. But if you question why things are happening the way they are, you must be a shit-stirrer."

And that might be the truth both here at FF and at IIDB, but then should we (I) stop questioning?

Fence

[pescifish]

Could you help me understand what I'm missing here?No, I don't believe I can.

[pescifish]

Could you help me understand what I'm missing here?No, I don't believe I can.Actually, that is not accurate. I could make an effort to help you understand what I meant.

However, I won't. Because I know you are an intelligent person capable of understanding, without my explanation, each of the elements of the phrase. I believe you understand what I meant by using that phrase, but perhaps you disagree with my usage as a description of this thread.

I believe this thread alone contains posts by Sweetie that demonstrate each of the elements (narcissistic, attention sucking and board bashing) of the phrase I used to describe the thread.

I used the phrase in the context of responding to Sweetie's OP where she says she has 3 threads she wishes to post but hasn't. Please do not take my phrase out of context of where I said it. Relative to my request that she simply "JUST DO IT" and post those 3 topics, the phrase I used is to qualify why I wish she would spare us the histrionics of this sort of "understand me-me-me" and "you guys are all such meanies" thread. I believe the term I used is justified by the contents of this thread alone.

Perhaps you do not see those elements in this thread, perhaps it is not lack of understanding on your part, but is a simple disagreement. You may not agree that this thread demonstrates "narcissistic attention sucking/board bashing" elements, while I do.

No explanation necessary outside of the contents of this thread. Also, Fencesitter, I hope you do not fixate on that one phrase of my post that apparently got your attention. Please do not discount all the other aspects of my post.

[Adora]

Wow. You are such a postcount whore.

Serioulsy, if we all cared about "getting you" we'd just ignore you 'cause I bet that drives you nuts.
Nice way to avoid the issue here Sweetie, and provide the perfect evidence for my original point: You. Don't. Debate. You don't present any evidence for your claims, ever. You don't present rational arguments. Any evidence or logical fact that you don't have an answer for that contradicts your point, you just ignore. When you don't have an actual rational reply to something, your fall back on personal attacks (thank you for perfectly illustrating that in your reply to my point. I mean, really, do I need to say anything more?) and whinging that everyone's attacking you are you're such an OMG put-upon martyr.

LOL, I'm responding only to show you how insignificant your comments, especially in this instance, actually are. :D
Of course you are honey. They're so insignificant you always reply to them, and never manage to actually properly ignore me. Sure. Right. Uh huh. [Dr Phil] How's that workin' out for ya'?[/Dr Phil] You're probably the person on this board who is the most easiest to manipulate because in your sheer stupidity you seem to think I'm trying to make you ignore me, when everyone else with half a braincell on this forum has realised the opposite. It's far easier for me to give you a foot of rope in any conversation we have and watch you hang yourself quicker than I can blink, and also by far more enjoyable than if you ignored me. If you were as smart as you make the assumption that you are, you'd realise the facts of the situation you're so woefully ignorant of. Sadly, you are possibly the dimmest bulb on this forum, even compared to Skeptic J and Abe and hell, even Carlos. It's like poking a runt-monkey with a stick, in a way.

[Fencesitter]

Could you help me understand what I'm missing here?No, I don't believe I can.Actually, that is not accurate. I could make an effort to help you understand what I meant.

However, I won't. Because I know you are an intelligent person capable of understanding, without my explanation, each of the elements of the phrase. I believe you understand what I meant by using that phrase, but perhaps you disagree with my usage as a description of this thread.

pescifish,

Thank you for taking the time to be more explanatory. And thank you for the compliment.

Actually, your expanded explanation does help in that I now understand that you meant your phrase to be describing this thread. And yes, in that case, I do disagree with your usage of your terms to describe this thread.

I believe this thread alone contains posts by Sweetie that demonstrate each of the elements (narcissistic, attention sucking and board bashing) of the phrase I used to describe the thread.

Here's how I see the sequence of events.
-Sweetie left after taking part in a thread where she felt she needed to defend herself here (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3908)
-Her departure note was gracious and did not blame anyone but just noted that she had some real life issues to attend to. It is here. (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=99412#post99412)
-She gave an update to her situation here. (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=100774#post100774)
-She came back and was looking for some reassurance that the reasons for her leaving would not be repeated. And she seemed to be asking for that so as not to cause disruption to the community here.

I think it's reasonable to start a thread letting everyone know that you're back posting after an absence asking for reassurance that your continued presence is acceptable. I don't find that particularly "narcissistic" or "attention-sucking."

To be honest, I find posts where people leave boards saying that the moderation sucks and that they want to be self-banned to be more narcissistic and attention-sucking. (ETA: I guess that depends on the reason for the self-ban also as well as the way it was done) In addition, threads about "I'm bored" or "I won an arcade game" or "I went to this destination" could also be considered narcissistic and attention-sucking in that the thread is about the poster. However, since I know that I am narcissistic and attention-sucking at least some of the time, if not much of the time, I don't consider that kind of behavior narcissistic or attention-sucking. I think we all want to be recognized at least some of the time or we wouldn't post at all.

As far as board-bashing, I'll cover that later in this post.

I used the phrase in the context of responding to Sweetie's OP where she says she has 3 threads she wishes to post but hasn't. Please do not take my phrase out of context of where I said it. Relative to my request that she simply "JUST DO IT" and post those 3 topics, the phrase I used is to qualify why I wish she would spare us the histrionics of this sort of "understand me-me-me" and "you guys are all such meanies" thread. I believe the term I used is justified by the contents of this thread alone.

Perhaps you do not see those elements in this thread, perhaps it is not lack of understanding on your part, but is a simple disagreement. You may not agree that this thread demonstrates "narcissistic attention sucking/board bashing" elements, while I do.

No explanation necessary outside of the contents of this thread. Also, Fencesitter, I hope you do not fixate on that one phrase of my post that apparently got your attention. Please do not discount all the other aspects of my post.

Yes, I did not see the "understand me-me-me" element in this thread. Again, I think that I post to be understood. I read to understand, but no one sees that part of the process. BTW, I skimmed at least 10 pages of Sweetie's posts from the current date back and about 5 pages of her posts from the beginning when she first got here. One thing I noticed was that she didn't insult until insulted or at least given a negative comment or snide remark. I might have missed some instances and I of course couldn't read everything, but I noticed that happening in this thread as well.

As for the rest of your last post, I interpreted that to say, in my paraphrased terms, "I hope that your real life improves, so that you post here less or differently." If that's what you meant, I wouldn't take that as a compliment if it were said to me. If my real life did improve, I might post here a lot less, but I wouldn't be warmed by the people cheering for that to happen if that was the expected result instead of the emphasis on the real life part.

If you were cheering for the real life part to improve even if that entailed Sweetie posting here more, then I apologize for my misinterpretation.

I think Sweetie quite honestly stated that she posts here when she's bored and she likes the familiarity. I don't see that as board-bashing.

For myself, I know that if I had hot, georgous people sincerely asking me to be with them or $20 million thrust upon me or some dream opportunity waiting for me, I think I might post here a lot less if at all. No offense intended since you all are nice people and all, but internet interaction tends to pale compared to real life hot action. Maybe for those of you who are turning down hot sex, millions of dollars and dream opportunities to post here, that might not make sense, but for me, I post here when those things are generally not present at that moment. So I could understand Sweetie's comments and didn't see them as "board-bashing."

Fence

[Adora]

Yes, I did not see the "understand me-me-me" element in this thread. Again, I think that I post to be understood. I read to understand, but no one sees that part of the process.
Yes, but see there's that, and then there's actually posting about needing to be understood.

Like there's self-existence, and then there's Paris Hilton.

[freemonkey]

Yes, I did not see the "understand me-me-me" element in this thread. Again, I think that I post to be understood. I read to understand, but no one sees that part of the process. BTW, I skimmed at least 10 pages of Sweetie's posts from the current date back and about 5 pages of her posts from the beginning when she first got here. One thing I noticed was that she didn't insult until insulted or at least given a negative comment or snide remark. I might have missed some instances and I of course couldn't read everything, but I noticed that happening in this thread as well.

Hi Fence, Post #13 in this self-same thread (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=104093&postcount=13)..... Sweetie tells us all about her perceptions of vm's feelings about her.

In post #18 (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=104101&postcount=18) she says she rarely ever means the things she says that sound insulting. My perception is that its OK for Sweetie to make negative comments and snide remarks, but when she "perceives" the same being done to her, she feels she should defend herself. Just to prove she can.

[Sweetie]

Fence, consider yourself lucky for not being privy to all the details. You'll be no better a person for being let in on all the explanations, and as it stands now, you just come off looking like a shit-stirrer.

I look forward to hearing about some of these details too. If there is more here than meets the eye, which is even deeper than I'm aware of, it would be great to know it or is the fact that I'm not privy to that information either a sign that it probably ultimately has nothing to do with me?

It's my perception that this is exactly what my biggest problem is, these insinuations. You can't just leave it alone, it's not me that has that problem. You are the one stirring the pot by suggesting there is more here, insinuating there is a bigger problem with me than what is apparent. You may have a bigger problem with me than what is apparent, but let's have it, let's look at the evidence, let's not have this forevermore.

You got the last word in, you got to insinuate something and not prove it. You also got in a "and anybody else who calls you on that has a problem with not leaving it alone and will seen to be a shit stirrer and disturber of the peace" a peace, apparently, that you are working towards, no?

I call that the epitome of hypocrasy. I at least, have never claimed that I was not argumentative, I just claim to only do so generally for good reason and I aim to be honest and upfront.

I see this as a good reason because obviously, since you have a problem with shit stirring and insinuating, you might just feel this urge to follow me around with it. I would like to unselfishly help you with that urge. :whup: :wink:

[Sweetie]

You're probably the person on this board who is the most easiest to manipulate because in your sheer stupidity you seem to think I'm trying to make you ignore me, when everyone else with half a braincell on this forum has realised the opposite.

I just assume that attention whores have an ultimate cause of their needing attention which to me seems like it could be overcompensating for something they lack. You need attention? You can argue it's because you just want people to hang themselves, the problem is, you do it so often, even amongst people who agree with you about alot of things, so in that case, you don't need them to hang themselves, it's self-defeating unless you are the ultimate hero and we all need to see it. Why do you have to prove that you are a hero though, is my question? Why do we all have to see that you're right?

See, I think I'm right about alot of things, but I don't feel the need to prove it. I enjoy discussing it, but I don't have to shove it anybody's face. Proving my thoughts does not prove myself.

I personally think that you have a tumultuous inner core, and I almost bet, with this overcompensation, that you don't like yourself very much. You need validation I think.

It's far easier for me to give you a foot of rope in any conversation we have and watch you hang yourself quicker than I can blink, and also by far more enjoyable than if you ignored me.

The strange thing is that people who don't respond to your inciting actually haven't necessarily hung themselves. That just doesn't make any sense, unless you are always vindicated which is strange sort of pride. Are you ever wrong about anything?

See, if I did offer any challenge to your thoughts, because to actually believe you are always right is extreme stupidity, then you would want me not to respond at all so in that case, then yes, you would want me to ultimately ignore you though you'd put on a show and act as you are acting now, you would get louder if that's the case, as it seems you are the moment. How much louder are you going to get, will you prove me right or wrong?

If you were as smart as you make the assumption that you are, you'd realise the facts of the situation you're so woefully ignorant of. Sadly, you are possibly the dimmest bulb on this forum, even compared to Skeptic J and Abe and hell, even Carlos. It's like poking a runt-monkey with a stick, in a way.

:D Whatever you say babe, stuff and fluff.


I'll think on it some more. It's seems a strange sort of proud self-hate conflict which is odd but then there is usually a strange contradicting something in each of us. I could be wrong.

Anyways, I love discussing things like this, we could start a thread. :P

[Ensign Steve]

Fence, consider yourself lucky for not being privy to all the details. You'll be no better a person for being let in on all the explanations, and as it stands now, you just come off looking like a shit-stirrer.
:blahblah:


I wasn't even talking to you. Leave me alone, stalker.

[Sweetie]

Fence, consider yourself lucky for not being privy to all the details. You'll be no better a person for being let in on all the explanations, and as it stands now, you just come off looking like a shit-stirrer.
:blahblah:


I wasn't even talking to you. Leave me alone, stalker.

:D

Another insinuation. And just how am I stalking you? I talked to you in a thread with you chasing me with an insinuation which you wouldn't clarify twice, and then I bring up the incident once again in this thread but not really saying anything about you and then you insinuated I was not leaving you alone which was absurd in context.

You claimed that if I knew you better or surfed your website more or dug deeper I would know more about you than I do, the only thing that I know about you being what I have encountered in thread I have read in this domain, much of which I have read because this is a really slow place and most people read most posts, anyhoo........

I respond to your posts DIRECTED at me and I personally respond to a claim made about me.

Please, back this up. I won't allow you to get away with this claim unchallenged. It's too much for you to expect me to tolerate, way too fucking much.

[Sweetie]

BACK IT UP OR RETRACT IT.

Don't insinuate things about me, I don't give a shit who you are talking to, don't ask questions of me, and don't respond to me and hopefully I will never have to deal with you ever again. The last thing I have any interest in doing is stalking you, I want the exact opposite so shut your trap and it's done, we're both happy. Can you do that? We'll see.

Who knows, maybe I'll save some poor unsuspecting person out there on the internet the trouble of having to deal with unfounded accusations, insinuations and unprovoked attacks based on a feeling of superiority and the idea that one can get away with something like that, in the future. I don't know how you behave outside of here though to know if you do this to others. If I was a stalker I'd look you up at IIDB which I unfortunately have no interest in doing.

Do your insinuating at HH with all the kewl kids like you.

[Ensign Steve]

:stoopid:

:woopdedo:

[Sweetie]

:popcorn:

[Adora]

I just assume that attention whores have an ultimate cause of their needing attention which to me seems like it could be overcompensating for something they lack.
So what's yours? Your spoilt position as a coddled housewife? Your Catholic martyrs complex? You wannabe Paris Hilton sexual jealousy? Your drunken feminist mother?

The strange thing is that people who don't respond to your inciting actually haven't necessarily hung themselves.
OMG. You. So. Stupid. Bitch. OMG. :dielaugh: Hahahahahahahah XD

Go. Read. Post. Again. Bwuahahahaha XD :dielaugh: OMG This is hilarious :dielaugh: I love it when Sweetie proves my points in her replies.

[justaman]

I have like three threads I want to start but feel like I shouldn't because I shouldn't be here. :(
So? Fuck off then.
Adora, sometimes I really think you are someone I could really like, yet when you post shit like this I just don't get what you think you are doing. It is just plain mean. Do you get off on that or what? Yes, everyone in the world knows you don't like Sweety. It's hardly a mind-blowing revelation. So why do you feel so obliged to try and insult at any opportunity? For kicks? There was no reason you needed to start posting in this thread, and there was absolutely no reason for the above bullshit.

Not that you'll care about my opinion, of course. I'm sure you'll have some cool net-lingo-insults to fire at me, but as far as I'm concerned I'd really like to be able to like you, but this near-sociopathic need to try and hurt anyone you don't particularly like makes you look so utterly trivial that I really can't be bothered trying. For whatever that's worth anyway.

Take care, champ.

[maddog]

I have like three threads I want to start . . .
If you've decided that you need this outlet, Sweetie, please go right ahead. You get to choose what threads you want to spend your time on, and who you prefer to interact with (as well as how you interact with others).

When I was a teacher, I encouraged the students to ask any questions and bring up any concerns that they had, no matter how silly or trivial or uncomfortable, or whatever hesitations they may have had. I'd tell them, "It's YOUR education; you're paying for it. If you need to ask this question to get to your goal, then go ahead and ask." I learned from one of my professors that "the only stupid question is the one you don't ask," because if it's important to you, it's important. You can't win the lotto if you don't buy a ticket.

If you feel the need to post the three threads, then they are important. In a freethought community, that's all that you need.
#541

[Crumb]

If you feel the need to post the three threads, then they are important. In a freethought community, that's all that you need.
:yup: :1thumbup:

[Adora]

So why do you feel so obliged to try and insult at any opportunity?
I wasn't aware that agreeing with her statement of "Look at my matyrdom I don't BELONG here" was "being mean". I was suggesting that maybe, just once in her life, she should follow through with her statements. It would be nice to know that she could at least do it one time, y'know?

So why do you feel so obliged to try and insult at any opportunity?
Because watching her reactions is hilarious, as I said in the post above.

I'd really like to be able to like you
Um... why? I don't get this. I don't like a lot of people on this forum. I also like and/or enjoy the posts of others. Do I care about not liking the people I don't like? Fuck no. This is the internet for fuck's sake. It's not like I'm going to loose my spot in uni or roof over my head if I point out that Sweetie is such a stupid turd that she thought I was saying exactly the opposite of what I was saying, or if I'm not bestest bum-chums with everyone on the board. Welcome to the internet: It's not serious business.

but this near-sociopathic
Haha hyperbolic much? If you're stupid enough to assume internet = real life, you're the fucking sociopath.

[Sweetie]

Adora, sometimes I really think you are someone I could really like, yet when you post shit like this I just don't get what you think you are doing. It is just plain mean. Do you get off on that or what?

:pat:

Don't even bother trying to befriend her, I've tried, I've seen several people try. She's too good, dontcha know? I think I told her almost a year ago that it sounds a bit like an attack first so as not to be open to unprovoked attack, all attacks will then of course, be provoked or controlled by her in some way.

I watched this show, there's this guy who was so addicted to drugs which he used illegally though he aquired them through legal means. At the same time he recognized that he needed to stop, he always was very proud of himself for the very clever way in which he was managing to get away with and managing how he was damaging himself and his family. His family didn't know, he lived a normal life, nobody knew.

The Doctor just looked at him and said, you are the worst type. If you can be cured, it's a miracle because you have to dig sooooo deep to get this out of them, this pride that it's just so much work. She can argue that this isn't real life and it's not to a point, but it is enough that how you treat people is important, I wasn't aware that I or any of us weren't people. It's delusional to think that, methinks, to not be aware of another you are interacting with online as another person who can be affected or harmed by your interaction with them. She could argue that that's a weakness on their part, but it's mostly just unnecessary cruelty and stupidity on hers, "better loud than clever."

Anyhoo, it doesn't bother me, really. I have three kids, I know what tantrums look like. They go to school and have to deal with "mean" girls all the time and the fact is, I went to school too, I know how it goes. Lots of it is just bluster. "You suck"...."yeah well, your dog's ugly." As much as I want to believe her words on their face, it just keeps screaming to me "self-defence mechanism."

I've been tolerating it for a year and I will tolerate it for longer, that's my choice. I figure you win this game by a) getting her to ignore you which is why she's fighting so hard or b) remaining unpredictable. I figure the louder she gets, the more I'm on to something, a sort of "methinks thou doth protest too much!" :wink: She's not so different than the fucker I'm dealing with in real life. :dunno: I figure she can teach me a bit about him. :wink:

Anyways........anyways what? Hope you are well! :yup:

[Sweetie]

If you feel the need to post the three threads, then they are important. In a freethought community, that's all that you need.
#541

I know, but two of them were kinda unimportant and would have been fun when I was in the mood for them.

Wanna discuss anything? LOL, the two weeks at CF I've discussed the foundation of morality, the nature of philosophy, Chrisitianity and Judaism, Catholicism, I even dared to venture into a little bit of the free-will subject. :eek: What else? Myth and religion. Muchos, it's been active.

Hmm, actually, I was thinking about discussing where the dividing line is between person and ideology. An experience two weekends ago has me questioning what men really want, though I already know, but my understanding could use a little tweaking. :P

There's, I would love to work through Chesterton's "Orthodoxy". He discusses so many ideas in that one book, it's fascinating how he intertwines them all.

Oh, oh, oh! I'm in love, "the Killers" (band), rock! They are so awesome, I love this song "Mr. Brightside." I adore this lead singer, I have no idea why, there's really nothing special about him????? :shrug:

Today is five months smoke free. I wanted to celebrate with a smoke but I resisted! :D

What else? Anyhoo, some thoughts.

[Adora]

If I'm bluster, you're hurricane Katrina and the idiocy of FEMA combined, Sweetie.

[justaman]

Haha hyperbolic much? If you're stupid enough to assume internet = real life, you're the fucking sociopath.
Surprisingly enough, people who post here are actually real people, some of them even have feelings. Communicating on message boards might be an unconventional way of interacting with people, but why on earth does that make it any less 'real'? All I can say is I'm sorry if you've never had the experience of befriending someone on the internet. It's kinda cool, y'know.

[JoeP]

If I'm bluster, you're hurricane Katrina and the idiocy of FEMA combined, Sweetie.
Sweetie, you should put this in your signature. It's quite cool.

[JoeP]

If you feel the need to post the three threads, then they are important. In a freethought community, that's all that you need.I know, but two of them were kinda unimportant and would have been fun when I was in the mood for them.
Post the unimportant ones and don't worry about the other. That would be my philosophy.

[viscousmemories]

If you're stupid enough to assume internet = real life, you're the fucking sociopath.
sociopath n. One who is affected with a personality disorder marked by antisocial behavior.

On the contrary, realizing that interactions with other humans via the Internet is "real life" according to most reasonable definitions of the term constitutes rationality, not sociopathy. I'd need to have you on my couch to make any real diagnosis, but with the limited data I have I'd have to agree that your preoccupation with repeatedly attacking anyone you don't like whether or not they do the same to you is a closer fit for sociopathy.

[JoeP]

I'm tempted to say Adora needs to get on somebody's couch, but that would be rude.

[Crumb]

Today is five months smoke free. I wanted to celebrate with a smoke but I resisted! :D
Very cool. :1thumbup:

[Sweetie]

Ha, let's sing then Crumb. Altogether now!:

I used to think maybe you loved me now baby i'm sure
And i just cant wait till the day when you knock on my door
Now everytime i go for the mailbox , gotta hold myself down
Cos i just wait till you write me your coming around

Im walking on sunshine , wooah
Im walking on sunshine, woooah
Im walking on sunshine, woooah
and dont it feel good!!

i used to think maybe you loved me, now i know that its true
and i dont want to spend all my life , just in waiting for you
now i dont want u back for the weekend
not back for a day , no no no
i said baby i just want you back and i want you to stay

Im walking on sunshine, woooah
and dont it feel good!!

Hey , alright now
and dont it feel good!!
hey yeh ,oh yeh
and dont it feel good!!

i feel alive, i feel the love, i feel the love thats really real
i feel alive, i feel the love, i feel the love thats really real

Im on sunshine baby oh
Im on sunshine baby oh

and dont it feel good!!
ill say it again now
and dont it feel good!!

"Walking on Sunshine" - Katrina and the Waves



:wtf:

Hey, don't look at me, I didn't bring up Katrina and the Waves. :roflmao:

Do you feel the love?

[Crumb]

You sing, I'll dance. :hotmoves:

[Sweetie]

Nevermind, you sing I'll do the air guitar. :yup: :P

[Crumb]

:leadsing:

[Sweetie]

:acoustic:

[Crumb]

Hey that's not an air guitar!

[Sweetie]

:hmph:

Well I am learning the real guitar, I just can't play anything interesting yet. :P

But I can't feel the fingertips on my left hand so I figure I qualify for faking it with a real guitar! :yup:

[Sweetie]

:cloud9:

[JoeP]

This is all happy fun. Much more of this and I'll call Adora.

[Crumb]

Oh the humanity! :dramaq:

[Adora]

All I can say is I'm sorry if you've never had the experience of befriending someone on the internet. It's kinda cool, y'know.
Or it's not, because they're lying their head off. Or it's not, because they live half a world away, you never get to see their face and are basically experiencing what's an extremely mediated, filtered, processed version of what interaction with someone is like. It's not real. Reality is standing in front of someone, talking with your voice, using your bodylanguage. Not smileys and words on a screen. I'm sorry, but there's nothing "cool" about it. It may be interesting to a certain degree, but to me it's absolutely nothing like befriending someone the traditional way. There's nothing there except words and smileys. How can that possibly compare to reality?

For the record, "unconventional communication" is interpretive dance. So unless you go around day-to-day talking to people by writing words on a whiteboard you hold in front of your face without using any body language at all, don't even start that comparison.

attacking anyone you don't like whether or not they do the same to you is a closer fit for sociopathy.
Dear dear VM. Once again, you're ignorant of the dynamics of your own concept of this board. Nothing new, I suppose, considering your past patterns.

"Freethought", right darling? That means "free thoughts". That means, for some people "I can post anything I want no matter how racist, homophobic, bigoted or misogynistic it is", which is, frankly, real sociopathy because of the irrational prejudices they have that make them say those things. You going to start analysing Abe and Al and Skeptic too?

Allowing this board to be the space where the metaphorical devil on your shoulder has free reign to say everything you don't get the chance to in real life, because it is, as you say, "free thoughts"? Haha, not even close.

Next time you suggest trying to psycho-analyze someone, perhaps you should first of all consider the medium and the space in which you're talking to them. The internet is just a glorified letter-writing/sending system. Not reality. It's a mediated communication device. Not talking to someone face to face. Id' say treating a glorified letter-writing system as "real life" (or something close to it) and investing in it the same you do face-to-face communication is more reflective of psychological problems and antisocial issues than any shit I've pulled here. But considering you've never grasped this difference, I don't expect you're going to agree.

[BDS]

Next time you suggest trying to psycho-analyze someone, perhaps you should first of all consider the medium and the space in which you're talking to them. The internet is just a glorified letter-writing/sending system. Not reality. It's a mediated communication device. Not talking to someone face to face. Id' say treating a glorified letter-writing system as "real life" (or something close to it) and investing in it the same you do face-to-face communication is more reflective of psychological problems and antisocial issues than any shit I've pulled here. But considering you've never grasped this difference, I don't expect you're going to agree.

Huh? Letter-writing is "not reality"?

OK, we all admit that communicating via the internet is not identical to talking to someone face to face. That's self-evident. But how is it "not reality"?

By the way, I could equally say: "Talking to people face to face is not reality. It is a communication device mediated by 'language'."

[viscousmemories]

attacking anyone you don't like whether or not they do the same to you is a closer fit for sociopathy.
Dear dear VM. Once again, you're ignorant of the dynamics of your own concept of this board. Nothing new, I suppose, considering your past patterns.
I suppose I am ignorant, because I don't have a clue what "the dynamics of [my] own concept of this board" is even supposed to mean, much less how you were able to deduce it from what I said. If you're going to speak with such overblown condescension, do at least try to make some sense.

"Freethought", right darling? That means "free thoughts". That means, for some people "I can post anything I want no matter how racist, homophobic, bigoted or misogynistic it is", which is, frankly, real sociopathy because of the irrational prejudices they have that make them say those things. You going to start analysing Abe and Al and Skeptic too?
As it happens I have already commented on what I considered antisocial behaviors of Abe and Al and SkepticJ in the past. That's because I believe that as a member of this forum community I have a moral obligation to speak up when I think someone is being bigotted or racist or misogynistic or otherwise antisocial. But because I'm an administrator here and thus have an influence somewhat disproportionate to the other members, I try to keep such comments to a minimum, to limit the amount I stifle anyone's freedom of expression. Do you really think pointing to the bad behavior of others makes you look better, though? Because it doesn't.

Allowing this board to be the space where the metaphorical devil on your shoulder has free reign to say everything you don't get the chance to in real life, because it is, as you say, "free thoughts"? Haha, not even close.
This is as incoherent as your opening statement.

Next time you suggest trying to psycho-analyze someone, perhaps you should first of all consider the medium and the space in which you're talking to them. The internet is just a glorified letter-writing/sending system. Not reality. It's a mediated communication device. Not talking to someone face to face. Id' say treating a glorified letter-writing system as "real life" (or something close to it) and investing in it the same you do face-to-face communication is more reflective of psychological problems and antisocial issues than any shit I've pulled here. But considering you've never grasped this difference, I don't expect you're going to agree.
I think it's obvious that I was considering the medium when I said that your antisocial behavior here is closer to sociopathy than the very rational notion that communicating with other humans via this digital medium is part of "real life". Again, the fact that you are unable to grasp that you are actually engaging in social interaction with real human beings when you post on message boards does not lend itself to a positive diagnosis of your mental health. As I said, if I were a shrink and you were my patient, I might say it's sociopathic. I don't expect you're going to agree either.

[Adora]

By the way, I could equally say: "Talking to people face to face is not reality. It is a communication device mediated by 'language'."
Still, it's more far far real than this. It's real enough for me to say "that's reality". This is unreal and fake enough for me to say "this isn't".

If you're going to speak with such overblown condescension, do at least try to make some sense.
If you're going to bitch and moan about psychoanalysis, at least pretend you've got some intelligence to back it up.

Do you really think pointing to the bad behavior of others makes you look better, though?
No, but it's more entertaining, and a freer form of thought than censoring myself because I should for some bizarre reason feel bad about hurting the feelings of bigots. If you don't even live up to the concept of your own board, then this whole experiment is a load of bullshit. How do we know now, deep down, you're not an equal sociopath, but you censor yourself to look like a better person? Freethought my arse. Really VM, drop the fucking pretense.

This is as incoherent as your opening statement.
And you're fucking stupider than I thought. Damn.

Again, the fact that you are unable to grasp that you are actually engaging in social interaction with real human beings when you post on message boards does not lend itself to a positive diagnosis of your mental health.
No, I'm involved in heavily mediated communication which can hardly be called "social interaction". No bodies. No voices. No faces. No social position indicators like clothes. Just glorified letter writing. I recognise this. If you can't, I know which one of us is fucking crazy. If you invest in the internet interactions you have equally with that offline, well... do I really need to point this out?

[Sweetie]

Oh the humanity! :dramaq:

How dare you speak of "humanity" on a medium where one communicates via letters with others who are barely worthy of the glorified spit of the oh so superior perfect one?

:wtf:

Something wrong with you Crumb, to speak so? Something that might need a little spanking to cure, maybe? :whipping: Hmmmmm? :suave:

Please? :crossed: :P

[viscousmemories]

No, but it's more entertaining, and a freer form of thought than censoring myself because I should for some bizarre reason feel bad about hurting the feelings of bigots.
And you have the gall to tell me to drop the pretense. Whatever you tell yourself, there is nothing remotely dignified about your nasty attitude. You have many times bragged about the fact that you're a vicious bitch to people for your own amusement. Now you want to pretend it's some noble demonstration of free expression and anti-bigotry? With such colorful delusions I can see why you don't realize that this is "real life".

If you don't even live up to the concept of your own board, then this whole experiment is a load of bullshit. How do we know now, deep down, you're not an equal sociopath, but you censor yourself to look like a better person? Freethought my arse. Really VM, drop the fucking pretense.
Start by definining freethought, then explain to me how I don't live up to the concept. You seem to think it means blurting out whatever bullshit pops into your head regardless of what impact your words might have on other people. I don't.

No, I'm involved in heavily mediated communication which can hardly be called "social interaction". No bodies. No voices. No faces. No social position indicators like clothes. Just glorified letter writing. I recognise this. If you can't, I know which one of us is fucking crazy. If you invest in the internet interactions you have equally with that offline, well... do I really need to point this out?
It's far more than glorified letter writing, but that's beside the point. You treat it like it's scribbling on a public bathroom wall.

[Crumb]

Something wrong with you Crumb, to speak so? Something that might need a little spanking to cure, maybe? :whipping: Hmmmmm? :suave:
:ffnod: :butt:

[Sweetie]

Something wrong with you Crumb, to speak so? Something that might need a little spanking to cure, maybe? :whipping: Hmmmmm? :suave:
:ffnod: :butt:

My, my, what a nice, plump, very round.....disembodied ass you have, my dear!

:giggles:

[Sweetie]

Actually though, that would make for a good general thread, I think. The internet world, how we relate to it, how we relate within it, how it differs and compares with the "real" world.

My experience is that there are probably some people online who know me better than those in the "real" world who see my mask, my clothes, my social cues, my whatevers. Just a thought. Well, I actually think it's more in the middle. People in real life know you in one way, people online know other aspects of you though they're not necessary different or completely detached from what those other more concrete physical things are.

[Adora]

Now you want to pretend it's some noble demonstration of free expression and anti-bigotry?
I'm not the one pretending anything. There's nothing noble or ignoble about what anyone posts here. It's a fricken web forum calling itself "freethought" at which the founder is too much of a fucken ass to follow his own preaching. I've already stated in a previous thread I hate the bullshit concepts of "noble", so no, I don't think it's noble. I just think if you're going to call a forum "freethought" and then get bitchy when it lives up to its name, you're a bit of a fuckwit.

Start by definining freethought, then explain to me how I don't live up to the concept.
You said you censor yourself because you think it would impinge on the "freethinking" of others. Well isn't that a bunch of Jainist bullshit. Has it ever occured to you that the argument could easily be made for the flipside - that your censoring yourself is providing people (bigots or otherwise) with a negation of choices they could experience and become aware of (and thus, expand their "freethinking") that you're otherwise denying them through censoring yourself? Whether you're a mod or not doesn't matter, and using it as an excuse just means you're playing into whinging bullshit illogical biases most people here have about mods and admins. If your position is supposedly so good-natured, why does it matter if you're a mod or not?

It's far more than glorified letter writing, but that's beside the point. You treat it like it's scribbling on a public bathroom wall.
And what's wrong with that? Bathroom walls have more in common with the internet than letter-writing does, so I think I'm going to change my metaphor. You get anonymity, easier ability to lie than letters, a differing range of written styles, sometimes, even pictures! Also, the internet is as mundane as a bathroom wall, and, well, no matter where you go, there's always the smell of bullshit, as this forum proves.

Face it, VM. Nobody's noble or ignoble. We're all just taking a dump and pulling out a pen.

[Sweetie]

Just for the record vm, I happen to agree with you about that you are an administrator therefore you have more "power" so to speak. Now, I don't agree that that you are right because you are an admin, but for me to disagree with Adora or me to disagree or argue with you are two different things. You run this place, we are here on your goodwill, we can be gone at any moment. All of us are, pretty much.

I also think that whether it is rational or not, alot of posters look to you and liv first, which makes sense. I have issues with authority so I don't have that impulse, but alot do so, yes, I think it's only rational, a choice born of freethought that you should restrict yourself.

I don't agree that freethought, as you don't either, means that "come one, come all, spout your bullshit, as much as you want unrestricted." I think being adults, we should be able to rationalize that that isn't really effective for anything. The idea of this forum is not uninhibited posting/bullshit, in fact I thought when I got here that that basic idea that we are to moderate each other of a sort, or at least argue towards a better more productive community.

Freethinking can lead one to conclude that one shouldn't say everything that comes to mind. Freethought can involve thoughts that restrict itself, complete freethought is impossible anyways. Freethought can see the value of self-discipline and the value of aiming for effective and useful conversation.

[Sweetie]

I have issues with authority

*cough*

Just for the record, that's an understatement. :D

I'm a bit of a non-conformist, I don't like molds so if I came here, for instance, and everybody liked this one person, I would be looking for any reason not to like that one person.

If everybody is patting you on the back, I'll be looking for a reason to kick your ass. That's just my nature. I can control that, with reason, but those are my tendencies. Sometimes the person everybody likes is likable indeed and I have to admit it, lol, but just as an example.

[viscousmemories]

Now you want to pretend it's some noble demonstration of free expression and anti-bigotry?
I'm not the one pretending anything. There's nothing noble or ignoble about what anyone posts here. It's a fricken web forum calling itself "freethought" at which the founder is too much of a fucken ass to follow his own preaching. I've already stated in a previous thread I hate the bullshit concepts of "noble", so no, I don't think it's noble. I just think if you're going to call a forum "freethought" and then get bitchy when it lives up to its name, you're a bit of a fuckwit.
Okay, I'll expand on my previous request. Start by defining freethought, explain what it is that I 'preach' about freethought as you define it, and then give some examples of how I fail to practice what you say I preach. You can even keep flinging your poo at me by way of cutesy little Internet lingo insults if you think that lends some credibility to your arguments.

You said you censor yourself because you think it would impinge on the "freethinking" of others.
No, I said I wanted to limit the degree to which I stifle anyone's free expression here.

Well isn't that a bunch of Jainist bullshit. Has it ever occured to you that the argument could easily be made for the flipside - that your censoring yourself is providing people (bigots or otherwise) with a negation of choices they could experience and become aware of (and thus, expand their "freethinking") that you're otherwise denying them through censoring yourself? Whether you're a mod or not doesn't matter, and using it as an excuse just means you're playing into whinging bullshit illogical biases most people here have about mods and admins. If your position is supposedly so good-natured, why does it matter if you're a mod or not?
Whereas you're helping them broaden thier horizons by calling them names?

Face it, VM. Nobody's noble or ignoble. We're all just taking a dump and pulling out a pen.
No Adora, not all of us. Some of us are learning, sharing, meeting, helping, and getting and giving in all sorts of other ways. You know, socializing.

[freemonkey]

I have issues with authority

*cough*

Just for the record, that's an understatement. :D

I'm a bit of a non-conformist, I don't like molds so if I came here, for instance, and everybody liked this one person, I would be looking for any reason not to like that one person.

If everybody is patting you on the back, I'll be looking for a reason to kick your ass. That's just my nature. I can control that, with reason, but those are my tendencies. Sometimes the person everybody likes is likable indeed and I have to admit it, lol, but just as an example.
So, you're the saboteur person we have to watch our backs around in the office/group/neighborhood....

[Sweetie]

So, you're the saboteur person we have to watch our backs around in the office/group/neighborhood....

Be afraid, be very afraid. :wtf: That's a bit much though, don't you think? I said I looked for flaws, I did not say I was out to sabotage anyone or anything just for the sake of sabotaging. To be honest, this can be a positive or a negative thing, like all things, it depends on how you use it. According to my pesonality type, being a systems-builder, it's very important to be able to see clearly and recognize flaws for the sake of improvement.

I grew up and had a major value shift in my life.

I recognized:

Do I want to be right [when it comes to others], or do I want to be happy?

Do I want to be different and against the grain all the time and therefore alone?

Non-conformity can be conformity. Some things should just be valued for themselves regardless of if anybody else agrees or not agrees, check that impulse.

Do I want to live more in the past than the future? (In the sense of long-memory grudge holding)

Do I want to miss out on possible joy because I was too scared to give? Do I want to miss out on experiencing what this or that person has to offer because I'm too judgemental and therefore I know they will always fail me?

I had to alter what my expectations were and replace them with more well thought out reasonable expectations.

I asked myself, why should I care whether anybody agrees with me or not? What do I have to prove? How much would I like them judging me like I'm judging them? How much do I appreciate them shoving things down my throat like I wish I could them. I don't like it, I don't appreciate it, I don't have anything to prove that they can change if they agree with me or not, it ultimately doesn't matter. It's a question of "do unto others" for me, and it's also a question of if I do expect to get anything accross to anybody, how is it that they could succeed in getting things accross to me, I should do it that way. Dictating, pointing fingers, accusing, hating, bad mouthing.........it just don't work! I never did those things mind you, I'm quiet, self-absorbed in real life and I avoid confrontation as much as I'm able.

I realized that the only person/thing I can or should control is myself.


:shrug:

I'm not out to get anyone. At the same time, I can't just do what others do without question, I have to see it, I have to see why and I'm more likely to look for negatives than positives. That's not to say I don't see positives, but I see faults first and more often than not, I ignore them but the idea that everybody else is doing something is a signal that I need to rethink whether I should be doing it or not. I may decide to do it, but I need to think it through instead of just doing. This is a very good thing. This is what prevents people from holding unreasonable beliefs just because of authority or tradition, or social manipulation. This is my favorite thing about myself, FYI.

Someone like me is harder on myself than anybody else. I try though, as a grown up, to look to myself first and I have more expectations of myself than anyone, I'm harder on myself than anyone.

Anyhoo.........Adora reminds me of a defensive, judgemental, less happy fifteen year old me.

[freemonkey]

..................................................................

Ah, I see....... would you say you spend more time analyzing others or talking about yourself?

[Sweetie]

Ah, I see....... would you say you spend more time analyzing others or talking about yourself?

Come up with something better than that freemonkey, as an excuse to stir up shit or be antagonistic, that's simply not good enough. I think there are "sides" being formed here, and I think you've picked one and it's not very clear or well justified why. Care to explain?

It's odd, I've never had any interaction with you before this thread. I'm really not sure who you are, what you do, what you think, what you want or.......why you're here, in this thread.

Do you have a position to prove? What is it exactly? You have something against me? What is it, exactly, other than the general "I just don't like you," and I'll find any reason to complain about you or offer a grievance. Are you saying anything anybody else isn't already covering? Are you just an extra? What?

[Sweetie]

Do you notice a pattern.

Freemonkey:

snide remark - "should we watch our backs now because you suggested that you look for flaws and reasons not to side with the majority before you choose to side with the majority therefore you are out to sabotage people"

Sweetie:

response - "I said I looked for flaws, not to sabotage anybody. This is how it looks to me, seeing flaws is a good thing."

Freemonkey:

refutation - "you spend too much time talking about yourself."

Sweetie:

response - and that's a problem why. If you're going to insinuate things about me, I think it's great that you could try to be clearer about me.

Do you want to understand?




Seriously, what the fuck is this? This is a meaningful dialogue in your world, reason and logic work like that in your world? What world do you live in, exactly?

And they call me stupid and insane? Fuck, if I'm stupid and insane, thank God.

[BDS]

Still, it's more far far real than this. It's real enough for me to say "that's reality". This is unreal and fake enough for me to say "this isn't".

I'm quibbling with your choice of words. No doubt face to face communication is different from internet message boards, but how is it "more real"? Are we not "really" writing these messages?


No, I'm involved in heavily mediated communication which can hardly be called "social interaction". No bodies. No voices. No faces. No social position indicators like clothes. Just glorified letter writing. I recognise this. If you can't, I know which one of us is fucking crazy. If you invest in the internet interactions you have equally with that offline, well... do I really need to point this out?

"Glorified letter writing"? How is the internet more "glorified" than letters? What do you have against letter writing?

Personally, I resent Cassandra Austen to this day for burning most of her sister Jane's letters, and denying them to the rest of us. That bitch. Maybe she thought the letters were "not real".

[Sweetie]

So, just for the record, if what I am and the way I think can be called "stupid and insane" then I am quite content in my stupidity and insanity.

If Crumb and vm and JoeP and others are being accused of being ridiculous for taking online "glorified letter writing" too seriously, then I'm glad. I'd rather be like them anyways, if that's what it means to be ridiculous, then ridiculous is good.

Guys, your "being ridiculous" flaws are very sexy. :P

[Crumb]

I resent being accused of taking anything seriously! :hmph:

:P

[Sweetie]

I resent being accused of taking anything seriously! :hmph:

:P


My, my, what a nice big flaw you have. :yup:


"All the better to.........."

:D

[Crumb]

:cough: :blush2:

[Sweetie]

:innocent:

[justaman]

Or it's not, because they're lying their head off. Or it's not, because they live half a world away,
Or it is, and every now and then two people become such good friends on the internet that they wind up meeting each other in 'real' life. People living half a world away can be a good thing.

Reality is standing in front of someone, talking with your voice, using your bodylanguage. Not smileys and words on a screen. I'm sorry, but there's nothing "cool" about it. It may be interesting to a certain degree, but to me it's absolutely nothing like befriending someone the traditional way. There's nothing there except words and smileys. How can that possibly compare to reality?
When I talk with people in reality, I can pick up nuances about them in their body-language, their gestures, their tone of voice, their overall manner of communication. I also have the remarkable ability to do the same thing with the way people communicate online. What is the difference exactly?

For the record, "unconventional communication" is interpretive dance. So unless you go around day-to-day talking to people by writing words on a whiteboard you hold in front of your face without using any body language at all, don't even start that comparison.

Blind people would have a serious problem ever becoming involved in a 'real' relationship in your world, wouldn't they Adora?

To be honest, your arguments look like mere rationalisations for why you should be allowed to be as mean as you want to be online. Maybe you can, but where does this desire come from in the first place? Does it actually feel good to write nasty things to people on message boards? This might be all unreal and fake in your world, but in mine it's a fairly clear commentary on a particular aspect of your personality. And it's very unpleasant.

[freemonkey]

Ah, I see....... would you say you spend more time analyzing others or talking about yourself?

Come up with something better than that freemonkey, as an excuse to stir up shit or be antagonistic, that's simply not good enough. I think there are "sides" being formed here, and I think you've picked one and it's not very clear or well justified why. Care to explain?
Are you denying that you've spent your time in this thread explaining/justifying to us why you react to others the way you do? Are you denying that you've been psychoanalyzing other participants in this thread?

It's odd, I've never had any interaction with you before this thread. I'm really not sure who you are, what you do, what you think, what you want or.......why you're here, in this thread.
Nor I, you. I would not normally participate in this kind of thread, but the last couple times I've read one of your threads you've been making unfair assessments of others, calling names, projecting your motives onto others and generally being argumentative and defensive. I just had to call "bullshit".

[Sweetie]

Are you denying that you've spent your time in this thread explaining/justifying to us why you react to others the way you do?

*looks around*

This is a thread in attempt to clarify things, and?

Are you denying that you've been psychoanalyzing other participants in this thread?

Not even the slightest denial, absolutely not, I'm not denying that. I looked back, Adora has been right on my ass since November. She's playing a game, she doesn't deny it, she never has.

Fuck it, I'll play. I can only hope that my psychoanalyzing her annoys the hell out of her. It should annoy her if I'm right, and if I'm wrong, that's just the type of person I gauge her to be. If you didn't notice, she shut right up. I think it's because I backed her into a corner whether I'm right or wrong.

Pick up on the subtleties or go away.

Seriously, she's no victim and nor am I and anybody that comes between us will become the victim. She'll play anybody against me, it's part of the game. She probably respects those who side with her less than she probably respects me, do you know this? If she can manipulate you or if you don't really see her game, she's laughing at you inside, though she won't say it because you're useful to her.

Get a clue.

[Dingfod]

My psychoanalysis: You're ALL nuts.

[Sweetie]

Sounds good. :yup:

I'd just like to know how many voices and how many opinions does it takes to resolve things between a handful of people?

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

My opinion is that it only takes those two people one on one, but that's just me. :dunno:

And considering this is just about me and vm, me and Adora and me and Ensign Steve, I have no idea where anybody else comes in. They may have their own battles, and that's good and they can fight them on the side but all these extra freemonkeys and whoever elses I have to defend myself to, I just don't get it.

In my mind, this is about coming to agreement with the people I'm in disagreement with and as far as I can tell, me and Ensign Steve are resolved, I've set my terms, me and vm are resolved for the most part and there's just Adora to deal with and as far as I'm concerned, I've set my terms, I said what I was going to do, and that's good for now.

[Sweetie]

Seriously, to me this is all about talking to the people when we're having friction and therefore coming to a resolution whereas we can both be where we want to be and not have to be in each other's spaces, ruin it for the other, that type of thing.

That's what this thread is to me. Does that make any sense to anybody? Is there anything wrong with that? Does everybody do things so differently out there in life or cyberspace? That's how I do things, ignore, ignore, ignore only works for me for so long, then it's, "let's deal" and "let's negotiate."

A sort of, let's agree to disagree, an "I'll leave you alone if you leave me alone," a whatever it takes but what's necessary to co-exist peacefully in the same space.

[Crumb]

:hugs:

[viscousmemories]

And considering this is just about me and vm, me and Adora and me and Ensign Steve, I have no idea where anybody else comes in.
I know what you mean but I don't think that's really clear from the OP, which is really addressed to the whole forum membership.

[Sweetie]

I know what you mean but I don't think that's really clear from the OP, which is really addressed to the whole forum membership.

Eh, I just didn't want to come here and have you, *ahem*, say things like, "what are you doing here, I thought you said you go. Why aren't you gone, why don't you stay gone?"

That's kinda what I thought you implied in another thread about me :wink: but I could be wrong, and that's just to avoid that or provide a thread where if anybody wants to bring that up, I can clarify and also, to seek resolution.

[viscousmemories]

Nah, when I said "why are you here" I wasn't implying anything, but I can see why you would've thought that. It just seemed to me that for several days you were focusing only on discussions with people you don't like and don't get along with, and that it was making you miserable. So I was sincerely asking you why you would subject yourself to that.

[Sweetie]

Nah, when I said "why are you here" I wasn't implying anything, but I can see why you would've thought that. It just seemed to me that for several days you were focusing only on discussions with people you don't like and don't get along with, and that it was making you miserable. So I was sincerely asking you why you would subject yourself to that.


However it works, however it was, I think there's hope for it to be ok enough either way.

Believe it or not, you guys have almost worn me out. :wtf: That's shocking. :eek: I'll let my husband know it's possible. :wink: :D

[freemonkey]

For the record:

1) I'm not playing a game. I don't know who else is.
2) Adora doesn't need me (or anyone else, I suspect)to defend her. In fact, I wasn't actually defending anyone, just calling bullshit where I smell it.
3) I agree with vm, I thought the thread was addressed to the FF in general, and so, I responded.
4) Warren thinks I'm nuts like the rest of y'all, so I'll quit now. Also because there's other things to think about, worry about, do, etc...

[viscousmemories]

Warren thinks I'm nuts like the rest of y'all, so I'll quit now.
Consider the source. :D

[Sweetie]

For the record:

1) I'm not playing a game. I don't know who else is.

Ok. For the record:

http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=83608&highlight=game#post83608


2) Adora doesn't need me (or anyone else, I suspect)to defend her. In fact, I wasn't actually defending anyone, just calling bullshit where I smell it.

Alright, but within context, it makes sense, at least to me and most likely to her too.

3) I agree with vm, I thought the thread was addressed to the FF in general, and so, I responded.

Ok. Actually, I'm not sure if you're right or wrong, what it was and what it has become but anyhoo, sorry for misunderstanding if there was any and thanks for your contribution.

4) Warren thinks I'm nuts like the rest of y'all, so I'll quit now. Also because there's other things to think about, worry about, do, etc...

Eh, I think he considers himself nuts too. :P Warren, what say you?

:dunno:

Have fun!

[Carlos]

Now you want to pretend it's some noble demonstration of free expression and anti-bigotry?
I'm not the one pretending anything. There's nothing noble or ignoble about what anyone posts here. It's a fricken web forum calling itself "freethought" at which the founder is too much of a fucken ass to follow his own preaching. I've already stated in a previous thread I hate the bullshit concepts of "noble", so no, I don't think it's noble. I just think if you're going to call a forum "freethought" and then get bitchy when it lives up to its name, you're a bit of a fuckwit.
Okay, I'll expand on my previous request. Start by defining freethought, explain what it is that I 'preach' about freethought as you define it, and then give some examples of how I fail to practice what you say I preach. You can even keep flinging your poo at me by way of cutesy little Internet lingo insults if you think that lends some credibility to your arguments.

You said you censor yourself because you think it would impinge on the "freethinking" of others.
No, I said I wanted to limit the degree to which I stifle anyone's free expression here.

Well isn't that a bunch of Jainist bullshit. Has it ever occured to you that the argument could easily be made for the flipside - that your censoring yourself is providing people (bigots or otherwise) with a negation of choices they could experience and become aware of (and thus, expand their "freethinking") that you're otherwise denying them through censoring yourself? Whether you're a mod or not doesn't matter, and using it as an excuse just means you're playing into whinging bullshit illogical biases most people here have about mods and admins. If your position is supposedly so good-natured, why does it matter if you're a mod or not?
Whereas you're helping them broaden thier horizons by calling them names?

Face it, VM. Nobody's noble or ignoble. We're all just taking a dump and pulling out a pen.
No Adora, not all of us. Some of us are learning, sharing, meeting, helping, and getting and giving in all sorts of other ways. You know, socializing.

I am saving this interesting exchange .

I always learned more about English language from Adora than from other posters more worried about the new emoticon at the FF or about how much real atheists ,smarters, skeptics or religious most people here pretend to be. Anyway I respect the way they like to label themselves.

I like the way Adora socializes at FF , no matter Viscousmemories thinks she is not doing it at all or that Adora doesn't care about doing it.

I do have hope that, one day , VM will understand his/her own concept of what freethought is pretending to be (The Freethought Forum is a general discussion forum with a premium on free speech and open to all.).

I do hope that one day VM will understand that Adora doesn't deserve any special cirscunstance to keep her posting here or any special cirscunstance for banning her from here.

And I am sorry if I contribute to VM's or Adora's depression with my poor English words.
But I know you both have the Internet and this kind of forums as the real and only way to express yourselves.

I don't even care if you (both or all of you) think I am wrong.

Thanks,
Carlos

[Adora]

Start by defining freethought
To me? Anything you think. The freedom at this forum named Freethought is that you're free to post those thoughts, right?

explain what it is that I 'preach' about freethought as you define it,
You did it when you gave your "I don't want to do blah blah because I'm a mod" bullshit line, like any interaction you have is somehow impinging on their freedom of thought. If that's not fucking bitchy preaching I don't know what is.

and then give some examples of how I fail to practice what you say I preach.
You said it in your own damn line where you fail to make a comment about your thoughts because you're scared of the boogey-mod syndrome.

No, I said I wanted to limit the degree to which I stifle anyone's free expression here.
How does simply posting your thoughts do that? Disagreeing does not question squashing someone's freedom of expression.

Whereas you're helping them broaden thier horizons by calling them names?
I call them names while disagreeing. It's a double dose of experience :D But nice way to avoid the point, y'know. I see you're taking hints from Sweetie.

No Adora, not all of us. Some of us are learning, sharing, meeting, helping, and getting and giving in all sorts of other ways. You know, socializing.
Oh like hell you are. In this thread you're arguing with me over something as petty as the "free expression" of bigots. You're reduced to the same level as I am, VM, until you either put me on ignore or stop hitting the reply button. Or maybe, bu your definition, I could cry "Mod prejudice" and see what happens, eh? Wouldn't that be fun?

No doubt face to face communication is different from internet message boards, but how is it "more real"?
As I said, I can read body language, facial expressions, voice changes, etc etc. The communication is a more intense and far better form message-exchange than just words on a screen with no intonation or that 90% body language that goes along with them when you're talking to someone. There's not several screens, a server, a few ISPs and some keyboards/processors between you, either.

How is the internet more "glorified" than letters? What do you have against letter writing?
I don't have anything against it, but aside from bills and the occasional cards/letters to friends and relatives, the internet seems to overtaken letter-writing in that sense of long-range written word based communication in society. I mean, we're not writing actual paper letters to each other in this discussion, are we?

Personally, I resent Cassandra Austen to this day for burning most of her sister Jane's letters, and denying them to the rest of us. That bitch. Maybe she thought the letters were "not real".
Considering the shite that is Austen's writing, I don't think we're missing out on all that much.

I also have the remarkable ability to do the same thing with the way people communicate online. What is the difference exactly?
So you can tell me exactly what my left hand is doing right now, as we post?

Try the other one, it has bells on.

Blind people would have a serious problem ever becoming involved in a 'real' relationship in your world, wouldn't they Adora?
No, because they still pick up voice sounds, accents, unconscious vocal movements, and the tones of voice.

Of course, I still think being blind would be a limited experience of reality, but it has nothing on the internet where we still can't hear or see directly the people we are talking to most of the time (limited webcams, phonecams aside).

To be honest, your arguments look like mere rationalisations for why you should be allowed to be as mean as you want to be online.
No, see my excuse for that is that this is "Freethought" forum, so usually, when in discussions, I find myself becoming disgusted with the ignorance and stupidity of the other people there I can't express it directly (eg- on II, you have to avoid getting suspended/banned) I can express my thoughts to that extent here. As I mentioned, already, in this thread. But good guess anyway. It's cute.

Ok. For the record:http://www.freethought-forum.com/fo...=game#post83608 (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=83608&highlight=game#post83608)
Come back when you've learned to comprehend the topic flow of a thread, Sweetie.

[viscousmemories]

Start by defining freethought
To me? Anything you think. The freedom at this forum named Freethought is that you're free to post those thoughts, right?
Okay, well to me freethought isn't about posting any thoughts that pop into my head without any care or concern for the quality, significance or impact doing so might have. So if you're still concerned that I'm violating the intended spirit of this forum by self-moderating what I post, you can relax.

explain what it is that I 'preach' about freethought as you define it,
You did it when you gave your "I don't want to do blah blah because I'm a mod" bullshit line, like any interaction you have is somehow impinging on their freedom of thought. If that's not fucking bitchy preaching I don't know what is.
You accused me of violating the principles of my own forum. When I asked you to explain what you think those principles are and how I violated them, you produced some barely coherent blather about freethinking. When I try to answer what you're clumsily and nastily asking, you call it fucking bitchy preaching. Project much?

Eh, bored now. The rest of your histrionics are as boring as they are redundant. I don't want to disrupt your fantasy anymore when I can keep playing "real life" with the people who actually make an effort to engage with each other here.

[Adora]

I love the fact that one's expressed freethoughts on freethinking are suddenly devalued into "barely coherent blather" simply because you can't wrap your sad little head around them. You're a bigger hypocrite than I thought you were, VM. And I have to say, I thought you were a pretty big hypocrite to begin with. But don't worry. I'll remember to use words with only 4 letters in them from now on so you can grasp what I'm trying to say. *pats*

[viscousmemories]

It's probably a good thing I don't value your opinion of anyone's character, then.

[albert cipriani]

Bathroom walls have more in common with the internet than letter-writing does... Also, the internet is as mundane as a bathroom wall, and, well, no matter where you go, there's always the smell of bullshit, as this forum proves.

Face it, VM. Nobody's noble or ignoble. We're all just taking a dump and pulling out a pen.

Translation: VM's biases about Adora are correct. She's about as mundane as toilet stall walls, smells bad, and is ignoble. What she does after "pulling a pen out," :( we don't want to know. -- Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic

[Sweetie]

Translation: VM's biases about Adora are correct. She's about as mundane as toilet stall walls, smells bad, and is ignoble. What she does after "pulling a pen out," :( we don't want to know. -- Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic


I'm sorry man, I don't tend to follow many of your discussions because I have enough of a headache to deal with on my own, but I'd love to see you and Adora go at it.

I'm sorry, but damnit, that would be fun to watch. :cheer:

/me buys ringside seats
:popcorn:

[Sweetie]

Is that sinful, do you think?

:naughty:


:D

[Fencesitter]

Is that sinful, do you think?

:naughty:


:D

I'm sure it is, and I'm sure I'm not supposed to laugh at that, but :laugh:. . . that would be something to see.
That exchange might even add words to my vocabulary. Of course, I'd never have use for those words in real life, but still. :P

Fence

[viscousmemories]

I do have hope that, one day , VM will understand his/her own concept of what freethought is pretending to be (The Freethought Forum is a general discussion forum with a premium on free speech and open to all.).
Somehow I completely missed this post. Sorry, Carlos.

My intentions and desires for this forum and my concept of 'freethought' are not one and the same. Yes, we called this place the Freethought Forum. However a name is just a name. Everything we hoped to accomplish in starting this forum and in managing it as we have over the last year is not explained as easily as reading the forum name, the motto on the top of the page or even in our document about the "guiding principles" of free expression, free speech, community and self-determination.

I do hope that one day VM will understand that Adora doesn't deserve any special cirscunstance to keep her posting here or any special cirscunstance for banning her from here.
Unlike the star of the other "special circumstance" we had here, Adora has made many substantive posts over the last year and is not in any danger of being banned.

[albert cipriani]

Is that sinful, do you think?

:naughty:
:D

I don't think you really want me to answer that, what with your proclivity to my theology-induced headaches. But the non-headache version of my answer would be that if it were sinful, you, as a fellow Catholic, will have Purgatory to redress the issue. But Adora will only have her pen. And pens don't have erasures. :wink: -- albert

[Adora]

I was baptised, you dick. So even by the church's teachings, as much as I might say I don't believe, I still have their loopholes for the afterlife, because they like relying on arguments from popularity.

So in reality, it's more like that pencil you have shoved up your arse.

[Sweetie]

I was baptised, you dick. So even by the church's teachings, as much as I might say I don't believe, I still have their loopholes for the afterlife, because they like relying on arguments from popularity.

So in reality, it's more like that pencil you have shoved up your arse.

Baptism don't get you to heaven and my belief in Catholicism won't get me there either.

Negligible. :shrug:

/me keeps staring at the walls in boredom

You guys are disappointing me. :wtf:

:P

[Sweetie]

Oh, btw, the word "arse" sounds ridiculous to us over here. Kinda backwards, nobody uses it. :yup:

And yeah, I know, my dog is ugly. :P

[Carlos]

Yes, we called this place the Freethought Forum. However a name is just a name. .

I noticed that when I entered to this forum. It is just a name.
A kind of merchandise with a good propaganda but with bullshit on their own concepts.


Unlike the star of the other "special circumstance" we had here, Adora has made many substantive posts over the last year and is not in any danger of being banned.
I understand "your" special circumstance on each way or another.

Once you try to look to special circumstances in order to save just a name and not a concept, you get lost in your own definition.

I am going to do some extra works now.
I will be out from FF for a while.

The bests for you all.

Remember thet the most smarter you try to appear, the most easy to get you fooled.

God ( for the believers and the ones who don't) bless you all.

Thanks,
Carlos

[Sweetie]

What a load Carlos.

Please, why don't you define what a "freethinker" is while you're at it? To many it means, "not possibly theistic" and that's it. That's ridiculous. A freethinker to me is one who thinks outside of tradition, authority, convention, loyalty, etc., who is free to think what they like, because they think it, not because they were pushed or told to in any way, shape, or form.

If vm decides to freely act a certain way because his freethoughts have led him to conclude that that is the preferable or more productive way to go about things, what's your problem with that?

What planet do you live on where complete freethought is possible? Every act is an act of limitation, every thought is a limiting thought, every choice is a restriction, every belief in a truth is the negation of another possible truth.

I noticed that when I entered to this forum. It is just a name.
A kind of merchandise with a good propaganda but with bullshit on their own concepts.

Seriously, say what you think but other people think the opposite and they will say what they think while they're at it. The point is that you have deal with the consequences. If you badmouth someone, no moderator is going to save you, or ban that person, you will have to deal with the consequences of badmouthing someone which means you could have a whole bunch of FFers on your case. It's a pain in the ass, but it's acceptable.

I just don't get your beef. At the moment it sounds like whiny bullshit, potshots, etc., with nothing substantial behind it.

[Dingfod]

I am going to do some extra works now.
I will be out from FF for a while.Thank the non-existent gods for the tiny blessings we sometimes receive.

[viscousmemories]

I wonder if the owners of the Talk Soup forum get harassed for not providing free soup.

Or do they? :eating:

[albert cipriani]

I was baptised, you dick.

Hmmm. :chin: Never heard of that one. Must have been in one of those modernist nominally Catholic Churches. When people get baptized in the Traditional Catholic Church they are given the name of some saint of their own sex. So, like were they confused as to your sex? In any case there is no St. Dick and there certainly isn’t any St. You Dick. Unfortunately there is you, a foul-mouthed disgrace to your female gender.

“So even by the church's teachings…”

No no no! Stop right there. Coming from your mouth, “Church teachings” are verboten. You’ve long ago lost what ever right you once had to pontificate on Church teachings, especially to me. You are utterly incompetent in the matter. Stick with your pens or cigars or whatever. Ouch! Bad choice of words. Ah, just stay with the physical things you are familiar with and leave intellectual things that require understanding to others who have the facility for them. – Albert Cipriani a Real Catholic

[Miss Shelby]

I was baptised, you dick.

Hmmm. :chin: Never heard of that one. Must have been in one of those modernist nominally Catholic Churches. When people get baptized in the Traditional Catholic Church they are given the name of some saint of their own sex. So, like were they confused as to your sex? In any case there is no St. Dick and there certainly isn’t any St. You Dick. Unfortunately there is you, a foul-mouthed disgrace to your female gender.Now, let's be fair Albert. There is a St. Richard. :)

Michelle

[TomJoe]

... Adora has made many substantive posts over the last year ...

I must've missed them. :D

[Dingfod]

... Adora has made many substantive posts over the last year ...

I must've missed them. :DSt. Dick!

[Adora]

Baptism don't get you to heaven and my belief in Catholicism won't get me there either.
Never said anything about heaven, dipshit. Just the potential for redemption via the church's own teachings post-cacking.

So, like were they confused as to your sex?
Why doesn't it surprise me you can't read simple English? It's okay, al. We can't expect you to be perfect with your head so stuck on obsessing over phallic symbols like cigars all the time.

“Church teachings”
Um, where did I put the capital, exactly? Nowhere. Thank you.

You’ve long ago lost what ever right you once had to pontificate on Church teachings
Says who? You? Sorry bud, but until I'm excommunicated officially, you haven't got a leg to stand on. I promise to invite you to the party when I am, though. It'd be a riot!

[justaman]

So you can tell me exactly what my left hand is doing right now, as we post?
Could a blind person? It´s pretty straight forward, Adora. Either you need all of the stimuli available to a fully functioning human being in order to have a "real" conversation, or you don´t. The blind person does without the input of some stimuli, we do without others. It´s absurd of you to even suggest that one or either of these states magically transform the communication into ´fakery´.
No, because they still pick up voice sounds, accents, unconscious vocal movements, and the tones of voice.
It´s utterly amazing you actually left this in given that in the next paragraph you write:

(limited webcams, phonecams aside).
Why are they aside? You tapdance around exactly what is necessary to be present for communication to be ´real´ and then actually admit that you are ignoring things which DO give you those rather arbitrary prerequisites you´ve conjured up. Your argument is terrible, and it´s terrible because you clearly want the internet to be fake to you. That way you can unleash all that bile you seem to generate so excessively on all the ´fake´ people and never need to question whether or not you really should. Very convenient for you.

No, see my excuse for that is that this is "Freethought" forum, so usually, when in discussions, I find myself becoming disgusted with the ignorance and stupidity of the other people there I can't express it directly (eg- on II, you have to avoid getting suspended/banned) I can express my thoughts to that extent here. As I mentioned, already, in this thread. But good guess anyway. It's cute.
It´s hardly a guess. I can think of no one else on this board who attacks people with such regularity and with such vigor as yourself, so you clearly enjoy it. Otherwise you wouldn´t do it. And if you enjoy it so much, there is clearly something very unpleasant about you.

[albert cipriani]

until I'm excommunicated officially, you haven't got a leg to stand on.

I bet I’m the only one on this board that finds this funny. Probably because I, more than most, have some appreciation for the absurd.

1) The Church is unfortunately out of the excommunication business.
2) An excommunication is an official act, so to be officially excommunicated is, well, redundant at best and stupid at least in your case.
3) Even saints have been correctly criticized for their erroneous beliefs. Ergo, it’s always open season on heretical Catholics and we don’t need hunting permits in the form of excommunications.
4) I’ve two legs to stand on very well, thank you. What you do with yours is another matter. Perhaps you can get them to act like the tree trunks they resemble, and leave. – Albert Cipriani the Traditional Catholic Condemning You

[Adora]

Either you need all of the stimuli available to a fully functioning human being in order to have a "real" conversation
Not quite what I was getting at, but nice try. I don't think I'm drunk enough to recall what the hell we were originally talking about anyway, justaman, and frankly, I can't be arsed going back and trying to look for it through this trainwreck of a thread. You don't like me: I get that. So... what the hell was the rest about again?

Why are they aside?
Ahh, that one. Well, I was going to say in regards to mass-used phonecams because they're only used in a massive way in Japan, and webcams because it's not like we post here on forums using a recorded video of a webcam, do we? We use words.

[Adora]

Edit: Oh yeah, this one's for al.

1) So? Not my point.
2) Why? It would be only way to knock out my last snowball's chance in hell of redemption after death, which is my point you're avoiding.
3) Yet they're still saints, and still part of the church. Which is my point.
4) Sorry ally, but if I haven't been banned here yet and long before your skanky ass showed up here, it ain't gonna happen.

[Sweetie]

Never said anything about heaven, dipshit. Just the potential for redemption via the church's own teachings post-cacking.

Parles-tu anglais?????

If you wished not to remain ignorant about how things actually worked in "Rome" so that you didn't look so ignorant and stupidly biased and like you were just pulling shit out of a hat to say, etc........I'm sure we could arrange things. :eek: Some of us could sit on you. :yup: You could gain a few brain cells by osmosis maybe. :dunno: With you, anything is worth a try, methinks. Lobotomy, maybe? :P

:popcorn:

[justaman]

You don't like me: I get that. So... what the hell was the rest about again?
Mostly, I was hoping you'd quit your seemingly random attacks on everybody here. Glancing at a recent thread where your contribution is to call Sweetie a skank for some unfathomable reason, I see this is unlikely.

[Adora]

Mostly, I was hoping you'd quit your seemingly random attacks on everybody here.
Why? So you can like me and feel good about yourself, or something?

[Crumb]

Why? So you can like me and feel good about yourself, or something?
I'm guessing he is just tired of reading your bullshit.

[Dingfod]

Mostly, I was hoping you'd quit your seemingly random attacks on everybody here.
Why? So you can like me and feel good about yourself, or something?Wouldn't that be awful?

[Adora]

I'm guessing he is just tired of reading your bullshit.
Do I really, really need to point out the ignore button? Or have I once again seriously overestimated someone's intelligence on this board...

[justaman]

Why? So you can like me and feel good about yourself, or something?
You make it sound so selfish...

But yes, absolutely.

[Sweetie]

Why? So you can like me and feel good about yourself, or something?

I find that everybody liking everybody in a smooth, nice, polite manner is kinda :eyebrow3:, it feels unnatural at least, and ungenuine. It's kinda *blech*, too sugary sweet. I don't want to be "liked" in the conventional sense, I want to be real. I wish to be loved or hated, as long as it's not some sort of tepid, false facade. Making nice-nice all the time feels like conformity, and conformity to me, is uncomfortable.

If you really don't like me, I'm glad you express it. If you really think I'm stupid, it's cool that you say so but to do so so often, and in the manner in which you continually do just says "I hate you because I can't see past me. I am the standard of how things should be, what is intelligent, who is worthy of being treated well, who is deserving of respect....those who think like me," and I, being different, can't respect that so it's meaningless to me.

If you are truly a non-conformist, you would either go some place where people agree with you and not behave like them so as to stand out and receive attention whether it be positive or negative, or you would go some place where people disagree with you but behave like them.

FYI, I have said I prefer hate to indifference. I prefer people to love or hate me, but not to be indifferent to me so in that sense, attention to the positive or negative side is preferable to invisibility. I like to be heard, at least by some. In that case, they really have no idea how terrible it would be to you if they all just ignored you. That would be banning without having been banned, and you would find it very painful. In the one scenario, you can blame a mod and bitch at the mod and a principle, in the other, you have to blame everybody, everybody rejected you. You'd have to admit that the problem was you and nobody else. If it got that severe, you'd have to eat crow to stay. I prefer not to let things get so bad 'cause I hate eating crow. :)

One is you, and the other is I. In the one scenario, your ideas are not often heard and your manner and person is disliked, and while I am definately disliked by some, my ideas are disliked, my manner is not greatly disliked, and in my person, I am not often disliked.

I win. :P I get friends, non-conformity, pleasure, advancement in knowledge, good ideas, respect, get heard, etc. :nyahnyah:

/just my opinion of what goes down and how it hangs. :dunno:

[Crumb]

and that Sweetie, is why I can't stand you! :hmph:

[Leesifer]

Is there, perhaps, a disappearing up your own arse smiley here?

[Sweetie]

and that Sweetie, is why I can't stand you! :hmph:

:cryhome:

[Crumb]

:mock:

[Sweetie]

Is there, perhaps, a disappearing up your own arse smiley here?

I'd love to get to know you Leesifer. :D

It's really hard knowing how to irritate someone you don't know. Oh, I'm doing it anyways!

Right on!

[Sweetie]

:mock:
Hmm, well when reason doesn't work, and sweetness, a woman always has the option of lifting up her shirt.

What say you, would you like me then? :dunno:

Point and laugh, hmmmm sugar pie? :P

[Crumb]

:drooleek:

[Sweetie]

:drooleek:

:haha: ---->:drooleek:


:P

[Leesifer]

Is there, perhaps, a disappearing up your own arse smiley here?

I'd love to get to know you Leesifer. :D

It's really hard knowing how to irritate someone you don't know. Oh, I'm doing it anyways!

Right on!

So, you'd like to get to know me, just to irritate me?

[Sweetie]

So, you'd like to get to know me, just to irritate me?

If you were insulting me, then yes of course, I'd like to know how to push your buttons. :dunno:

Were you insulting me? I don't know, I thought so.

[Leesifer]

I wasn't insulting you, per se, Sweetie, but, for fucks sake, please go back and re-read your longish post above.

[Sweetie]

I wasn't insulting you, per se, Sweetie, but, for fucks sake, please go back and re-read your longish post above.

I read it, and I read it, and I read it again. Find a specific problem, and we'll discuss.

Do you dislike it because it's long? Because it's analytical? Because it's mine? Because it's wishy-washy? Because it doesn't suit you? Because my ideas are wrong?

There is a way for people to behave that is preferable, that works better for them in the end. Almost all of us in this thread are suggesting that Adora's way is not a good way. I'm asking why she behaves that way at all. She acts very much like a child, seriously. Getting attention whether positive or negative as long as it's attention, spitting on things good for her, biting the hands that feed her, etc. She plays offense and everybody else has to play defense. Screw that.

I think she's a non-conformist, and I know what it's like to be that way. And?

I said, /just my opinions of what goes down and how it hangs.

You got a better idea, a better way of doing things, believe that ignorance is bliss, that some people should not speak, or whatever?

What is it? I can't debate phantoms and I require that you agree with me or like me not at all. Alot of people have tried to understand Adora. I am offering some possible ideas on why she is the way she is. People need not agree with me and I never suggested I was right. Ideas are ideas, some are right and some are wrong but they are all based on each other.

[Dingfod]

I just dislike long posts, it doesn't matter the content. I just don't have the attention span necessary.

That said, I like you Sweetie, for whatever that's worth.

[Sweetie]

I just dislike long posts, it doesn't matter the content. I just don't have the attention span necessary.

Hehe, I learned this little trick called "skimming". I tend to skip alot of posts and go back and read the ones I think are the most relevant, even then if they're long.

I skim at first and then when I have to be more familiar with content, I go back and pay attention but then I can speed read too so. :dunno:
That said, I like you Sweetie, for whatever that's worth.

Ew, there's this yucky sweet stuff oozing out of me. I think it's affection. :eek:

I like you too Warren. :yup:

[Sweetie]

Crumb doesn't like me though. :sadcheer: I must have been really, really bad. :sniffle:

.......or maybe not bad enough. :suave:

:D

[Leesifer]

Sweetie, even though you'd quoted Adora in your post, after reading it, I'd lost all connection to the fact it was about Adora.

It wasn't because it was long, wishy-washy, analytical or because if was yours but it does sound pretentious.

[Crumb]

Well it sounds like you are coming around. :lecher: Tell me more about this:Ew, there's this yucky sweet stuff oozing out of me.
:innocent:

[Sweetie]

Sweetie, even though you'd quoted Adora in your post, after reading it, I'd lost all connection to the fact it was about Adora.

It wasn't because it was long, wishy-washy, analytical or because if was yours but it does sound pretentious.

:shrug:

I'm very, very not pretentious, FYI.

[Dingfod]

Hehe, I learned this little trick called "skimming". I tend to skip alot of posts and go back and read the ones I think are the most relevant, even then if they're long.

I skim at first and then when I have to be more familiar with content, I go back and pay attention but then I can speed read too so. :dunno:I never heard of skimming. [Stop being sarcastic!--Ed.]

Skimming has gotten me into trouble, misreading intent and context. But, skimming is all I do these days as I seem to have no ability to really concentrate on any one thing for any length of time. The result is the internet is the perfect venue for me, lots and lots of superficial and trivial information.
I like you too...I'll bet you say that to all the nearly 50 year old Okies that you know.

[viscousmemories]

I don't want to be "liked" in the conventional sense, I want to be real. I wish to be loved or hated, as long as it's not some sort of tepid, false facade.
I think this is one place where you and I differ. I don't view the world in black and white terms like friends and enemies, love and hate. So to me it's not only possible to be 'real' without having an extreme opinion one way or the other, that's exactly what being real means to me. I don't feel love or hate for most of the posters here. Some people consistently annoy me, some amuse me, some bore me, some make no significant impact one way or the other, some ... it goes on and on. There's probably as many variations as there are people here. I prefer respect and trust to being 'liked', I suppose. But I enjoy being liked too.

[Sweetie]

I think this is one place where you and I differ. I don't view the world in black and white terms like friends and enemies, love and hate. So to me it's not only possible to be 'real' without having an extreme opinion one way or the other, that's exactly what being real means to me. I don't feel love or hate for most of the posters here. Some people consistently annoy me, some amuse me, some bore me, some make no significant impact one way or the other, some ... it goes on and on. There's probably as many variations as there are people here. I prefer respect and trust to being 'liked', I suppose. But I enjoy being liked too.

Well, that's true, I agree with that. I can't and don't want everybody's attention, that's not what I meant.

And yes, I prefer respect and trust to being liked.

And I enjoy being liked too, but not if it's some falsetto facade, I abhor falsetto facades.

Bah, my husband's family on his Mom's side is a bit of an proper English upbringing, you are required to say please and thank-you and send notes and crap like that. I don't gel well with that.

I say please because I mean it and the hardest times for me to say it is when I do mean it.

I say sorry if I am.

I say thank-you because I feel like it.

[Leesifer]

Sweetie, even though you'd quoted Adora in your post, after reading it, I'd lost all connection to the fact it was about Adora.

It wasn't because it was long, wishy-washy, analytical or because if was yours but it does sound pretentious.

:shrug:

I'm very, very not pretentious, FYI.

OK. It may be a difference of cultures perhaps.


I'd still like a disappearing up your own arse smiley - I'll take that to another forum though.

[edit: too much use of the word 'though'

[Sweetie]

Well it sounds like you are coming around. :lecher: Tell me more about this:Ew, there's this yucky sweet stuff oozing out of me.
:innocent:

:blush2:

"Humility is like underwear, necessary but indecent if it shows."

Was that what you were thinking of Crumb? :innocent:

[viscousmemories]

I realize I didn't really complete my thought in that last post. I meant to say that whether someone is often or even usually annoying (for example) doesn't mean that they aren't occasionally amusing, interesting, right on, etc. So I try to take posts at face value as much as possible and respond in kind. Not that I have any delusions that I always succeed in overcoming my own prejudice, but it is something I personally strive for.

[Sweetie]

Goodly. It may be a difference of cultures perhaps.

No lie, it's very hard to breed pretention and arrogance in Saskatchewan.

:D The nun at our Church today gave a speech and she was like, do you notice how much we say "sorry." Do you ever find yourself saying "sorry" even to inanimate objects, and we all laughed and nodded.

[Leesifer]

Do you ever find yourself saying "sorry" even to inanimate objects, and we all laughed and nodded.

Only all the time.

[Adora]

and in the manner in which you continually do just says "I hate you because I can't see past me. I am the standard of how things should be,
This is the richest load of bullshit I have ever read from you, Sweetie. So do you apply this same bullshit to your "I married a man who doesn't hit me, so every woman can and domestic violence is their own fault" line? Because if there's one person who can't see past their own nose to the bigger picture here, it's you.

FYI, I have said I prefer hate to indifference.
That's because you're an attention whore.

I win.
... Do I need to point out everything that's wrong with this statement?

/just my opinion of what goes down and how it hangs.
Oh bullshit. You're being a pretentious cunt again and trying to put me down. If you have any guts at all, don't try to hide it behind an "it's just an opinion" line. Then again, you probably are a complete and total coward, considering your desperate clinging to the Catholic Martyr Syndrome.

I mean, really, in the end, that's possibly the most bullshit, non-topical post I've ever read from you Sweetie. How on earth was that connected to my original quote you put in, exactly? Fucking crackpot...

[beyelzu]

adora,

I wish you would just come right out and say what is on your mind, I am sick and fucking tired of trying to decipher your feelings.

:tmtongue:

[Adora]

adora, I wish you would just come right out and say what is on your mind, I am sick and fucking tired of trying to decipher your feelings. :tmtongue:
*molests*

[Sweetie]

This is the richest load of bullshit I have ever read from you, Sweetie.

Bullshit? Moi? :D

So do you apply this same bullshit to your "I married a man who doesn't hit me, so every woman can and domestic violence is their own fault" line? Because if there's one person who can't see past their own nose to the bigger picture here, it's you.

LOL, well I might think that was true if you weren't so damned predictable.

FYI, I have said I prefer hate to indifference.
That's because you're an attention whore.

No Adora, you are the attention whore. I like to be heard as all people do, I just don't need to scream as you do, like a child with a tantrum who can't seem to stop and reason for a minute but who must flap their gums as fast as they can in order to "get" whoever dares to bother them.


... Do I need to point out everything that's wrong with this statement?

Sometimes you actually do yes, :yup: instead of just mocking 'cause mocking just sounds like you actually don't have a refutation, you just don't like or are annoyed by what's being said.


Oh bullshit. You're being a pretentious cunt again and trying to put me down.

Right, trying to put you down. Yes, you are much preferable off your high horse.

If you have any guts at all, don't try to hide it behind an "it's just an opinion" line. Then again, you probably are a complete and total coward, considering your desperate clinging to the Catholic Martyr Syndrome.

Adora, I'm right here. What am I hiding from? I'm not like you, I don't pretend to be right about anything or anybody. I don't actually know you from a hole in the ground however I do guarantee that if I knew you in real life, you'd be transparent to me as glass. I am, in this case, missing out on alot of physical cues and some history of your life and your place in the world. You are right that those things are important in order to really "know" someone, however, they are not necessary to believe that some interactions are real and behave like they are.

You sound to me though, just like a girl from my school who wasn't treated very well. :dunno:

I mean, really, in the end, that's possibly the most bullshit, non-topical post I've ever read from you Sweetie. How on earth was that connected to my original quote you put in, exactly? Fucking crackpot...

It wasn't about your original post, or if it was, only minimally. I've been annoyingly, admittedly and actively theorizing about you most of this thread. You mock, you like to try and kick people when they are down, you like to be abusive.......I just enjoy theorizing about why that might be so. Something wrong with that? :chin:

It amuses me. :popcorn:

[Adora]

LOL, well I might think that was true if you weren't so damned predictable.
... So something that isn't predictable is true?

Are you nuts?

No Adora, you are the attention whore. I like to be heard as all people do, I just don't need to scream as you do
No, instead you post massively tl;dr posts that are completely unrelated to a quote that somebody else was discussing with someone other than you.

Sure, Sweetie. You're totally not an attention whore. No, really, I believe you. :rollleyes: Just keep hitting the reply button hun, and saying things lke "this is amusing". Everybody will believe you when you say it. I'm sure.

:yup: instead of just mocking 'cause mocking just sounds like you actually don't have a refutation
You mean like your total and complete question avoidance in all discussions we have on any serious issues?

Sweetie, when you earn the right of an actual refutation, I might give you one. But right now, you don't deserve one.

Right, trying to put you down. Yes, you are much preferable off your high horse.
Your lack of understanding of the English language never ceases to amaze me. Sweetie, go find a phrase book, and actually look up "putting someone down", and then come back here and continue this conversation. Hint: it has nothing to do with high horses. When you figure it out, you can claim you're not doing it, and that you have some ability to read and comprehend written words. Until then, you're still a fuckwit.

What am I hiding from?
Well, quote often, you hide from the facts with such hilarious comments like, "well I might think that was true if you weren't so damned predictable." If you don't know what's wrong with that statement, you shouldn't be here.

I don't pretend to be right about anything or anybody.
Except you do, or did, a lot. Or have you completely forgotten that hilarious "98% of the Canadian population has been duped"/homosexuality thread? When your arguments got shot down, you ignored their points altogether. But, y'know, you still pretended that "ohh! Those conservatives have a really good argument up their sleeve! I'm not telling you what it is, but it's there!" thing was some sort of legitimate line of reasoning, which just speaks volumes from your state of mental health.

you'd be transparent to me as glass.
Your grasp of the English language speaks otherwise, or do I have to bring up your hilarious misunderstanding of my statement about individuals metaphorically hanging themselves, where you thought I said the exact opposite to what I had said? And the fact you obviously don't even know what "putting people down" means, even though it's a phrase they teach gradeschoolers. Oi... Honey, if you can't even read mediated words on a screen, statements about your ability to judge character sounds as hollow as your empty head.

It wasn't about your original post
Sure it wasn't, hunnykins.

[Sweetie]

... So something that isn't predictable is true?

Are you nuts?

? Relevance?

You are predictable. Predictability is the product of principle. Find or name the principle, predict the behavior. If you can predict the behavior nine times out of ten, the liklihood is the principle is a good one.

I'm just of course, suggesting you are simple and unoriginal.


No, instead you post massively tl;dr posts that are completely unrelated to a quote that somebody else was discussing with someone other than you.

:shrug:

I never said I had to post progressive posts. What kind of a criticism is that? Why would I care if an opinion or a judgement stated does not follow another when I have a problem with you which we've discussing in a thread of mine.

I just really don't see the point, Adora.

Sure, Sweetie. You're totally not an attention whore. No, really, I believe you. :rollleyes: Just keep hitting the reply button hun, and saying things lke "this is amusing". Everybody will believe you when you say it. I'm sure.

What amuses me, amuses me. You have said the most nasty things you could think to say to me, you have one of the most terrible mouths I have ever encountered, not just to me, others. People cringe when they read what you have to say, you project bile for miles. If I am content to sit here and figure out why, it amuses me, it amuses me. Not sure the problem there either. I don't see the connection between something amuses me and I'm an attention whore. In fact, I already told others, leave us alone, I don't need anybody else's attention but yours and you are giving it to me.


You mean like your total and complete question avoidance in all discussions we have on any serious issues?

I'm sorry Adora, but this just goes back to what I've already produced, "I am the standard because I say so." You are not the best judge of what is relevant, what is valid and what is rational as this post is a glaring indication.

I don't wait around for your judgement on the matter, in fact I think you are a terrible judge of almost everything. You are biased and loud, like a loud mouth on the corner who speaks without thinking, or like a child and a tantrum, or a hissy fit.

Sweetie, when you earn the right of an actual refutation, I might give you one. But right now, you don't deserve one.

Ok. :shrug:

Am I supposed to be like, upset or something?


Your lack of understanding of the English language never ceases to amaze me. Sweetie, go find a phrase book, and actually look up "putting someone down", and then come back here and continue this conversation. Hint: it has nothing to do with high horses. When you figure it out, you can claim you're not doing it, and that you have some ability to read and comprehend written words. Until then, you're still a fuckwit.

*looks around*

Umm, a girl on a high horse is usually prissy, and has a superiority complex. If I want to put you down, it's not because I'm pretentious, it's just fighting fire with fire. You need to be knocked down a peg or two, your superiority issues are really disturbing. In fact, I said that back in November and my opinion has not even slightly changed as far as that goes. You are basically what you claim to be denouncing, you are what true bigots are made of.


Well, quote often, you hide from the facts with such hilarious comments like, "well I might think that was true if you weren't so damned predictable." If you don't know what's wrong with that statement, you shouldn't be here.

If you don't understand the relevance of that statement, you shouldn't be here. I'm not waiting around for you to decide what is relevant and what is not, I happen to disagree with you about alot of things. It happens. I just think it's really weird that you think I should lay down and say you're correct, about anything. Why? Because you decided you were correct in your usage and interpretation. How original.

I call this avoiding. You've said so much but unfortunately in the last two posts specifically, you have said practically nothing.


Except you do, or did, a lot. Or have you completely forgotten that hilarious "98% of the Canadian population has been duped"/homosexuality thread?

I never said 98% of the population has been duped by anyone. I said I encountered articles which within the context I encountered them could be considered to be avoiding of issues.

When your arguments got shot down, you ignored their points altogether.

I quit the thread altogether because I was really stressed, someone was badgering me, no one can really talk to you about anything ever because you are always right and I was busy. :shrug:

You must understand Adora, I think you are hopelessly arrogant to a point, and you would try and spin and twist anything to your advantage. I'm not interested in games especially games of one uppmanship. I have no desire to discuss anything important with you at all and this discussion ends when it ends and I have no really intention of doing anything but dealing with what you throw at me in the way I choose. If you choose to leave me alone, then there is nothing else for me to deal with when it comes to you.

Your opinions at present have no value to me, I don't respect you, only in the sense that I respect you because you are another person and persons deserve respect, I don't like you. I think you're bright but not brilliant. You look to me like Wizard looks to you with his rebellion. That's how I view you.

You are sorely lacking wisdom and some very important life experiences in order to be the jugde of anything.

I'm not waiting for you to listen to me, I'm not expecting you to really hear or care about anything I have to say. I don't need your favor or your good opinion. I don't think you have anything on me at all, and I don't think you are the slightest bit better than me.

This is about getting a little girl out there to be a little more rational and a little less rash and to stop picking on me as a target because it's pathetic.

But, y'know, you still pretended that "ohh! Those conservatives have a really good argument up their sleeve! I'm not telling you what it is, but it's there!" thing was some sort of legitimate line of reasoning, which just speaks volumes from your state of mental health.

You're the judge of my mental health and you use that as an example of bad mental health?


Your grasp of the English language speaks otherwise, or do I have to bring up your hilarious misunderstanding of my statement about individuals metaphorically hanging themselves, where you thought I said the exact opposite to what I had said?

I have no idea which instance you are speaking of.

People misunderstand each other and you live on the other side of the world, I'm really not sure why that's anything particularily meaningful and can be used as some sort of ammunition. It's weird that you think so. To me that just goes back to just trying to find anything you can to fling even if just doesn't mean anything.

Adora, your sentence has no importance at all.

I remember when you were chasing away that boy, he's Western Diety from CF though I can't remember his name here, and he used the word "fetish" in a way you didn't and you just went beserk and then you pull out, oh your friends are real deviants and they would laugh at you for your misuse and it was the most pathetic display of pretention and whatever else I have ever witnessed. It just was foolish, I'm just not sure why I have to swallow the crap you dish out because you say so.

Anyways, one of my memories.

[Adora]

? Relevance?
May I direct you to your own quote...
LOL, well I might think that was true if you weren't so damned predictable.
You brought it up, Sweetie. I'm not talking about originality. I'm not talking about complicatedness. I'm talking about truth.

What kind of a criticism is that?
It's the kind of criticism that obviously points out that you're an attention whore, duh. Oi, comprehension skills...

What amuses me, amuses me.
Which doesn't refute my claim that you're an attention whore, but just props it up more, since if getting attention didn't amuse you so, you wouldn't do it.

I'm sorry Adora, but this just goes back to what I've already produced, "I am the standard because I say so."
Actually, it goes back to the basic standard of "When you take a stance in an argument, and say you have evidence, be prepared to produce that evidence". Yes Sweetie, you're right. I have standards of what I expect from people when they make such bigoted statements in discussions of people's basic human rights. Just because you are one of those bigots who can't produce evidence to back up your claims, doesn't make me some kind of relativitistic monster. It just makes you a bigot.

You are not the best judge of what is relevant, what is valid and what is rational as this post is a glaring indication.
Um, actually, Sweetie, I'm doing a far better job than you are. You, however, are simply displaying your predictable pattern of patheticly lacking comprehension skills. Maybe if you spent a little less time making self-indulgent tl;dr posts and actually bothering to read and comprehend threads, you wouldn't have this problem and have to make up for it with your poor-diddums-victimisation act.

like a loud mouth on the corner who speaks without thinking,
You mean like somebody who makes totally irrelevant, self-indulgent tl;dr posts that have no connection whatsoever with the original thread of discussion and then denies she's an attention whore?

Funny, Sweetie, but that isn't me in this example. I'll give you a cookie if you can work out who it is, though. Wanna cookie?

Am I supposed to be like, upset or something?
Haha, keep hitting the reply button darling. Keep hitting the reply button. XD

Umm, a girl on a high horse is usually prissy, and has a superiority complex.
Once again, not relevant to the actual meaning of the phrase. Really darling, why don't you ever follow my instructions, properly? I mean, maybe if you actually picked up a phrase book or two, you wouldn't come across as such an ignorant twat.

You need to be knocked down a peg or two
XD XD Yes, Sweetie, and I am absolute sure, out of all the members of this board, you, of all people, are the best equiped to do so. XD XD :dielaugh:

You are basically what you claim to be denouncing, you are what true bigots are made of.
Right Sweetie, sure. I deny people human rights with arguments from populum. I devalue human beings based on the gender of people they love. I have an irrational hatred of my own gender because I have mother issues. I subscribe to a hate-filled religion because I am so selfish I want to believe in the continuation of my ego after my physical body dies.

Oh yes. Bigoted am I. I see the light now. You're right. No, really. You win at teh intarwebs.

If you don't understand the relevance of that statement, you shouldn't be here.
Oh no, I do understand the relevance - you thought it was a put down, except it is a completely oxymoron. Have you ever even heard of logic, Sweetie? Do they have some weird valleys in Canada where you're deprived of such a basic thing?

I'm not waiting around for you to decide what is relevant and what is not
Reply button!

I just think it's really weird that you think I should lay down and say you're correct, about anything. Why? Because you decided you were correct in your usage and interpretation.
Ahh, no, Sweetie. I think bigots like yourself should STFU and lay down and admit others are right because, historically, such discrimination and hatred as you spread based on nothing except a person's gender or skin colour or sexuality and the words of a bitchy skybrat will always eventually be conquered by those who are not bigots, even if it takes a long hard haul to get there.

Original? No. Predictable? Hell yes. How do you think Canada woke up to itself and passed equalising legislation on gay marriage?

I call this avoiding.
Yes, because you're such a good judge of whether someone is or not, because, oh yes you tell so well when you're doing it yourself.

Sweetie, let me introduce a bit of logic again: Avoiding only works when someone presents something for you to avoid. If you want me to answer a question that I have not already answered in this thread, go right ahead. I'll be happy to fufil all your information needs.

I never said 98% of the population has been duped by anyone. I said I encountered articles which within the context I encountered them could be considered to be avoiding of issues.
Ahem
3% of the population has just managed to dictate to 97% of the population "how things are and are to be and should be."
Okay, not 98%, but I was close. You may have supposedly been "calling" the article on some supposedly logic-evading-yet-important "issue" you think was relevant, but the fact is, you then went on and pointed out what the issue was, which, to you, was the supposed trumping of the assumed desires of 97% of the population (because of course, all straights in Canada are homophobic bigots like you are).

If you had simply said "they're avoiding an issue here in this article", you might have been telling the truth. Alas, you lie, again.

I quit the thread altogether because I was really stressed, someone was badgering me, no one can really talk to you about anything ever because you are always right and I was busy. :shrug:
What thread? Sweetie, darling, sweety, I'm not talking about one thread here. I am talking about your entire behaviour on this forum in any threads of any substance whatsoever.

Really, bigger picture here darling!

I think you are hopelessly arrogant to a point
Reply reply reply. Just keep hitting the reply button.

and you would try and spin and twist anything to your advantage.
You mean like "spinning and twisting" badly-founded statistics of who is straight in any given population and who isn't?

Cos that ain't me.

I'm not interested in games especially games of one uppmanship.
REPLY BUTTON. Sure you aren't.

I have no really intention
English, please. :rolleyes:

of doing anything but dealing with what you throw at me in the way I choose.
And the point of this statement-of-the-obvious is...? Hey, guess what everybody! The sky is blue!

If you choose to leave me alone, then there is nothing else for me to deal with when it comes to you.
Reply, reply reply reply. The magical button of lurve. uNF. Awh yeah. Hit it like a submitting whore. Reply reply reply. You know you want to.

Your opinions at present have no value to me
Reply, reply reply reply. Sure they don't.

I don't respect you, only in the sense that I respect you because you are another person and persons deserve respect
So you don't respect me, but you do.

GENIUS!

You are sorely lacking wisdom and some very important life experiences in order to be the jugde of anything.
When I grow up, I want to be a bigoted spoiled Catholic homophobic housebitch just like you, Sweetie!

I'm not waiting for you to listen to me
Reply reply reply reply. Blah blah blah. Your actions speak louder than words.

I don't need your favor or your good opinion.
Ahhh, it must be your false sense of moral superiority you get everytime you hit the submit button then. Ain't that sweet?

This is about getting a little girl out there to be a little more rational and a little less rash and to stop picking on me as a target because it's pathetic.
And how, exactly, are you going to do that, Sweetie? Cos really, your track record ain't that bright. And considering the mass of interaction we've had, if you haven't done shit by now, you're not going to. So how about you run along to church and pray for my soul or something instead, if, supposedly, this isn't about one-upmanship.

You're the judge of my mental health and you use that as an example of bad mental health?
Yep. Because you really have to be insane if you think that's a legitimate line of reasoning in any discussion.

I have no idea which instance you are speaking of.
Then let me illustrate (how I love the quote function!)
You're probably the person on this board who is the most easiest to manipulate because in your sheer stupidity you seem to think I'm trying to make you ignore me, when everyone else with half a braincell on this forum has realised the opposite. It's far easier for me to give you a foot of rope in any conversation we have and watch you hang yourself quicker than I can blink, and also by far more enjoyable than if you ignored me.
You can argue it's because you just want people to hang themselves,... The strange thing is that people who don't respond to your inciting actually haven't necessarily hung themselves.
OMG. You. So. Stupid. Bitch. OMG. :dielaugh: Hahahahahahahah XD

Go. Read. Post. Again. Bwuahahahaha XD :dielaugh: OMG This is hilarious :dielaugh: I love it when Sweetie proves my points in her replies

Fucking hilarity. Memories coming back, darling? Cos I can say, the recollection was a wonderful moment for me.

People misunderstand each other and you live on the other side of the world
Yeah, right, because the phrase "To hang oneself" is one that isn't used all over the English-speaking world. Uh huh. Rrrrrright.

Adora, your sentence has no importance at all.
Sweetie, this may have escaped your attention because I know what a comma is, and it seems you don't, but which sentence exactly are you referring to? If you meant the sentence connected to the paragraph you made above this sentence, it's basic English to then connect this sentence to the one above. Would you like me to draw you a diagram, since it seems you fell asleep when they were teaching you this in grade school?

I remember when you were chasing away that boy, he's Western Diety from CF though I can't remember his name here
Am I meant to feel remorse for chasing away someone who hangs out on CF? No, really, are you fucking kidding me?

It just was foolish, I'm just not sure why I have to swallow the crap you dish out because you say so.
Um, so what was the part about the idiot who was as stupid with the English language as you are? Sweetie, you're not some poor ignorant hick trying to be sexually deviant and yet, sadly, not succeeding. You make statements about your exceedingly privileged status in life which, frankly, deprives you of many victim-excuses pathetic souls like the one you mentioned could possibly use in their defence. You set yourself to be torn apart when it is revealed, funnily enough for one so spoiled, that you are a bigoted little bitch.

You're not Jesus. You're not picked on for no reason. You're not a martyr, just because you're too stupid to understand why people tell you you're fucking stupid.

[Sweetie]

May I direct you to your own quote...

You brought it up, Sweetie. I'm not talking about originality. I'm not talking about complicatedness. I'm talking about truth.

I don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about nor apparently, at this point, do I care.

Do you have children, have you ever been around them? Ever disciplined, babysat, parented? Children behave the way they do for a reason. Find the reason, learn the most effective way to discipline and guide them.

You behave the way you do for a reason. You can figure out those reasons by your behavior. If you find the right reasons, you can predict the behavior. If you change the core cause, you can change the behavior.

All I'm saying and all I meant to say is that your behavior normally stinks. I think there is a cause of your behavior. This is my theory of what that cause is.

That's really all there is to it. Anything above and beyond that is just whatever the fuck is going on in your imagination or loud brain that prohibits logical connections and rational thoughts between things.

What kind of a criticism is that?
It's the kind of criticism that obviously points out that you're an attention whore, duh. Oi, comprehension skills...

Girl, say something meaningful or just quit. You must not think highly of myself or anyone else here to think we are so stupid or blind to notice that you just keep talking crap and not saying anything.


Which doesn't refute my claim that you're an attention whore, but just props it up more, since if getting attention didn't amuse you so, you wouldn't do it.

You're a dolt. Ack, I thought you were more capable than this but I was wrong. Gah, the point is, I'm not looking for attention. There's no reason why this behavior needs to get me attention, in fact it's rather calm, this thing that I'm doing now. I'm sure many find it boring and unsensational unlike the crap you produce. I need only your attention, I am not an attention whore, you have not given any good argument for why I should be considered one. You're the loudmouth.

Anyways, your post is way too disjointed and long and it's just more of the same. You don't prove anything, you don't offer any meaningful theories or ideas, you just yap and yap. I don't really see anything here deserving of a response. I have never believed that one can successfully reason with you so I've never had much interest in trying.

See ya around or when you can produce something worthwhile.

[Adora]

Awh, Sweetiekins, what happened to you teaching me a lesson? :( I'm so disappointed in you. If you're going to make claims like that in future, you need to step up to the mark. I mean, really, I should have expected this considering your predictable past, but I guess that's what I get for giving you the benefit of the doubt.

*sighs* Then again...

This is my theory of what that cause is.
What theory? Sweetie, darling, poopkins, you haven't presented any theories. Like I said, if you had bothered to, anywhere, in this thread, I may have treated you better. But you didn't. All you did, once again, was said you had something when, in fact, you didn't.

:( Awh sadface.