Religious Pro-War Chainmail.

[Adora]

I was sent this in my email by a well-meaning friend. Made me want to kick kittens. Feel free to sign the "Sue-Anne" chick up for spam, because I don't know who she is and I think she deserves to suffer.

From: Sue-Anne Leitch <Sue-AnneL@FKP.com.au>
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: FW: Interesting
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 3:38:56 PM
interesting
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IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING - DID YOU KNOW?

1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Ira q!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq.

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon,which was a city in Iraq!

And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

And also... This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen !

I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE it DELETED. This is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq. Pass it on to everyone and pray. Something good will happen to you tonight at 11:11 PM. This is not a joke. Someone will either call you or will talk to you online and say that they love you. Do not break this chain. Send this to 13 people in the next 15 minutes. Go.

.... Ò_Ó Not Happy Jan.

[viscousmemories]

I got that from one of my nieces a while ago. She had a baby and got married just before her new husband was shipped off to Iraq, so I was very torn about whether to respond with my true feelings about getting pro-war propaganda. In the end I decided it was important enough to address it with her, so I did. To my surprise she responded that she totally agreed with me, but that her husband had forwarded it to her so she felt obligated to pass it on. Anyway yeah, it's annoying.

[SharonDee]

I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE it DELETED. Is this a part of the chain spam or was this spice added by the last person who sent it? Cuz I better not hear of anyone telling me what to do to or with my email.

Some people... :fuming:

[Ronin]

And it is written in John ~ 6: 66

"Lo, upon worthy consultation with Gog and Magoogle, it shall be discovered that there is no such prophecy. 911 is a joke in Yah town."

Pass it on.

Word.

[livius drusus]

I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE it DELETED. This is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq. Pass it on to everyone and pray. Something good will happen to you tonight at 11:11 PM. This is not a joke. Someone will either call you or will talk to you online and say that they love you. Do not break this chain. Send this to 13 people in the next 15 minutes. Go.

Shit. I don't even have 13 people in my address book. Besides, just how exactly is that dude going to know if I break the chain or delete the crap? Is that supposed to be God talking?

[JoeP]

I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE it DELETED. This is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq. Pass it on to everyone and pray. Something good will happen to you tonight at 11:11 PM. This is not a joke. Someone will either call you or will talk to you online and say that they love you. Do not break this chain. Send this to 13 people in the next 15 minutes. Go.

Shit. I don't even have 13 people in my address book. Besides, just how exactly is that dude going to know if I break the chain or delete the crap? Is that supposed to be God talking?
I'd be interested to hear from someone with a psychology background. This sounds like a primitive instinctual thing, like sympathetic magic or the principle of contagion. Somebody knows something and is making a demand of me & a threat, and I don't know who the original person is so it must be someone of power. All the little things mentioned look connected so there must be something behind it. It doesn't make logical sense but it still feels true. :yawn:

[Gawen]

I got this mail last year and again just a couple weeks ago by a workmate. The Quran verse does not say this. It's false. Then I refuted everything it said and sent it back to everyone it was sent to (reply all). So far I haven't received any hate mail...lol...and the workmate still talks to me.

[Adora]

Do you have the email you sent to people? I would have liked to refute this shit, but I am not teh smarts.

[seebs]

I got this mail last year and again just a couple weeks ago by a workmate. The Quran verse does not say this. It's false. Then I refuted everything it said and sent it back to everyone it was sent to (reply all). So far I haven't received any hate mail...lol...and the workmate still talks to me.

You are my hero. I woulda been stuck with the simple one - "do they even HAVE eagles in the Middle East?"

Post your refutation?

[viscousmemories]

Snopes has the Eagle part of it under control (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran.asp):

Origins: No, this isn't a legitimate quotation from the Quran (or Koran), the sacred text of Islam. The chapter and verse citation quoted above is a leg-pull, an obvious play on the USA's (the Eagle) launching of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq (the "lands of Allah") in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks on America organized by Osama bin Laden (the "son of Arabia awakening a fearsome eagle"). That the chapter and verse selection match the date of the terrorist attacks (9:11) is another giveaway to the joke.

Depending upon which translation of the Quran one uses, the section corresponding to chapter 9, verse 11 actually reads something like this:

But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

[JoeP]

I woulda been stuck with the simple one - "do they even HAVE eagles in the Middle East?"

As an aside, even if they don't know (which they may), I think the climate was different - wetter and more temperate - 1400 years ago (Quran) and beyond (Old/New Testaments) (sorry, no evidence for this. I may be wrong).
:feedingbirds:

(Liv: no eagle or bird of prey in the smilie set?)

[livius drusus]

Do you have any idea how many Stormfront SS belt buckle wannabes I had to sift through to get :eagle:?

[JoeP]

74? 666?

[livius drusus]

Okay, 2. But they both sucked.

[Ronin]

I just received this horseshit from my parents.

I think they forward this crapola to avoid having to actually think about how easily it is eviscerated.

Somewhere in SoCal ~

"Just send it to Steve, hon...let's go to Costco".

They've caught on and removed the CC lists last year, though...dang blast it.

:fuming:

[Goliath]

Although my parents are religious, and even though they get and send religious filth via chain e-mails to other family members, both of them know far better than to send me the kind of crap that was in the OP. Because I've told them several times that if they do so, I'll gladly hit the "Reply to all" button and have a field day...:D

[Gawen]

Sorry seebs, VM beat me too it.

[Gawen]

Although my parents are religious, and even though they get and send religious filth via chain e-mails to other family members, both of them know far better than to send me the kind of crap that was in the OP. Because I've told them several times that if they do so, I'll gladly hit the "Reply to all" button and have a field day...:DI warn no one. If the have the balls to send this crap to everyone, I have bigger balls to reply....to everyone....that got the original. Eventually they figure it out.

[ApostateAbe]

I take that chain e-mail as a reminder that superstition is alive as much as it ever was, perhaps more.

[seebs]

PLEASE call these things "chain letters".

Chainmail is a substance, consisting of linked rings, used as armor. My brother-in-law makes it from old springs.

[Ronin]

Very substantive offering, seebs.

What a time to become a pedantic literalist.

:wink:

[Sparky]

It surprises me that freethinkers don't hit the delete button and take it less personally. Sure, I can see that it's frustrating that people are so gullible, but responses here just seem out of proportion. Is it the God/religious thing or the spam that's so reactive?

[Ronin]

It surprises me that freethinkers don't hit the delete button and take it less personally. Sure, I can see that it's frustrating that people are so gullible, but responses here just seem out of proportion. Is it the God/religious thing or the spam that's so reactive?

Well, Sparky, I am driven to respond to most falsehoods that are perpetuated in such a manner.

Fwiw, I also respond to non-religious email (political/social/personality claims).

Personally, I simply call bullshit when I see it.

I would be more surprised if freethinkers did not express an interest in the critical analysis of any claim and present the required rebuttal.

I'm curious, though, do you have an interest somehow in allowing such claims to stand unimpeded by counterpoint?

:popcorn:

[livius drusus]

That's a good point, Sparky. My hotmail box is inundated with all kinds of spam on a daily basis and I just don't open it at all. I certainly don't get all het up over the viagra pushers or the breast enhancers or the latest Bill Gates will send you money if you forward this to all your friends pitch.

I think the political nature of the pablum in the OP makes it more likely to hit a person where they live, whether that person believes every word or not a one.

[Ronin]

Wait a minute...what?

Bill Gates isn't going to be sending me money?!

:grumpy:

[viscousmemories]

I'm curious, though, do you have an interest somehow in allowing such claims to stand unimpeded by counterpoint?
Kind of an ad hom there, no? I think the point is a good one regardless of what Sparky's motives for making it might be. Like liv I've yet to read a 3 page rebuttal to a message making grandiose claims about breast or penis enlargement.

[Godless Wonder]

Religious Pro-War Chainmail?

If you can get the Blade of Occam I think you can defeat that with +10 damage with no saving throws...


Or something like that, there's a lame D&D joke in there somewhere.

[Ronin]

I'm curious, though, do you have an interest somehow in allowing such claims to stand unimpeded by counterpoint?
Kind of an ad hom there, no? I think the point is a good one regardless of what Sparky's motives for making it might be. Like liv I've yet to read a 3 page rebuttal to a message making grandiose claims about breast or penis enlargement.

It is only as much of an ad hom as Sparky's offering, in my view, vm.

I expressed my views regarding the issue and now I am sincerely curious regarding those of Sparky.

There isn't much more to it than that.

[Godless Dave]

ITo my surprise she responded that she totally agreed with me, but that her husband had forwarded it to her so she felt obligated to pass it on.
In what possible perverted alternate universe does that make sense?

[viscousmemories]

ITo my surprise she responded that she totally agreed with me, but that her husband had forwarded it to her so she felt obligated to pass it on.
In what possible perverted alternate universe does that make sense?
It made sense to me in this one. :P

She's young, newlywed and the mother of an infant child and her new husband and father of said infant is off fighting a war in Iraq. I can understand why she wouldn't want to challenge him on the rightness/wrongness of what he's doing there now while his neck on the line, and especially as she is currently living with his pro-war family.

[viscousmemories]

I'm curious, though, do you have an interest somehow in allowing such claims to stand unimpeded by counterpoint?
Kind of an ad hom there, no? I think the point is a good one regardless of what Sparky's motives for making it might be. Like liv I've yet to read a 3 page rebuttal to a message making grandiose claims about breast or penis enlargement.

It is only as much of an ad hom as Sparky's offering, in my view, vm.

I expressed my views regarding the issue and now I am sincerely curious regarding those of Sparky.

There isn't much more to it than that.
Fair enough. :)

[Godless Dave]

She's young, newlywed and the mother of an infant child and her new husband and father of said infant is off fighting a war in Iraq. I can understand why she wouldn't want to challenge him on the rightness/wrongness of what he's doing there now while his neck on the line, and especially as she is currently living with his pro-war family.
I understand not challenging him. I don't understand forwarding the email.

[viscousmemories]

She's young, newlywed and the mother of an infant child and her new husband and father of said infant is off fighting a war in Iraq. I can understand why she wouldn't want to challenge him on the rightness/wrongness of what he's doing there now while his neck on the line, and especially as she is currently living with his pro-war family.
I understand not challenging him. I don't understand forwarding the email.
I think the two are entwined, unfortunately. If he were to ask his friends or family what they thought of it and they said "huh?" she would be forced to explain why she didn't send it. I'm just purely hypothesizing here though, since I know nothing more about her thought process than I've already revealed.