Pr0n and you...

[Adora]

Okay, the actual reason I started the "dude, where's my thread" thread was because I thought I posted this before but obviously I didn't, so now I shall again.

So. Pr0n. We all consume it in one form or another, right? How do you do it? Are you an oldschool D.O.M. who stands around newsagents in a trenchcoat looking at magazines or do you get all of yours digitally now? Do you prefer literature over pictures, or moving images over stills? Are you a big fan of a particular star (such as Asia Carerra... I think that's her name, right?) or director?

If you prefer words, any particular series, author or sub-genre you prefer? (c'mon... any slashers out there at all? *whimper* I dun wanna be the only one...) Any particular situations/fetishes that get the blood racing? Anything else you want to add?

Obviously, any information offered up here is entirely voluntary, and you should feel no social pressure whatsoever to divulge your deepest dirtiest secrets to us. But I may give you a cookie if you do. If you think pr0n is the root of all evil, please don't post in this thread. Take it to morality instead, if you feel the need to provide a countering thread to this one. Also, nothing illegal, but let's all be adults here and make the distinction between "fantasy" and "reality" in all possible issues brought up, okay kiddies?

[Petra]

I can take or leave porn. But to answer the question - moving pictures over stills when it comes to the more "hardcore" type. But I still love the slightly darker, erotic literature of people like Anais Nin, for example. Sex and poetry, baby - it'll seduce me every time. For now, though, I've just discovered Winamp's X-Rated Internet TV thingy, and so I'm sitting here chuckling away at all the horny shenanigans and trying ever so hard not to get all het up, myself. :vapours:


Edit: actually, speaking of sex and poetry - I'll get way hornier reading Pablo Neruda's Love Sonnet XI (http://www.lone-star.net/literature/pablo/) than any cheap ol' porn flick could ever inspire. The desire expressed in that poem leaves me quite short of breath. Guess I'm really just a romantic at heart.

[JoeP]

Obviously, any information offered up here is entirely voluntary, and you should feel no social pressure whatsoever to divulge your deepest dirtiest secrets to us. But I may give you a cookie if you do.
A cookie? One with your username and password for expensive top-class porn sites in it? :pant:

I don't have any special interests in porn, I'm afraid. Some does it for me, some doesn't. Not saying more! :noid:

[Beth]

I personally am not that fond of porn. Watching it ok, but it is more of a curiousity factor. I can look at pics in a detached way, but I do not find them all thet erotic because I do not know the person behind the pose. I do read stuff like Cosmo. I like the adds. I think many of them are more erotic than a straight sex shot. Seeing these images are more likely to put sex on the brain which I am sure Jim appreciates. But the most sexual and stimulating porn to me is the written word. .....perhaps because I do not really feel guilt over what I read and feel that no one is exploited. Also, most erotic writings that I like are around a great love story. Most romance books are shit, but some are truly wonderful and really have ne thinking about sex for weeks.

[dave_a]

So. Pr0n. We all consume it in one form or another, right? How do you do it? Are you an oldschool D.O.M. who stands around newsagents in a trenchcoat looking at magazines or do you get all of yours digitally now? Do you prefer literature over pictures, or moving images over stills? Are you a big fan of a particular star (such as Asia Carerra... I think that's her name, right?) or director?

Don't really have any favorites, I am more buffet oriented. Some stuff I like, some stuff I don't, but it's nice to always have a wide selection to choose from.

If you prefer words, any particular series, author or sub-genre you prefer? (c'mon... any slashers out there at all? *whimper* I dun wanna be the only one...) Any particular situations/fetishes that get the blood racing? Anything else you want to add?

slash? If you are into that you might like yaoi if you like anime. [hehe, I feel like the amazon.com thing where they give you recommendations based upon your previous selections] I didn't even know what yaoi was until recently, but there you have it. Anywho,

Try these links to pics to see if it's something you like:

http://juxtaposefantasy.net/tankoposs.htm
http://juxtaposefantasy.net/cecil.htm
http://juxtaposefantasy.net/artwork/solojc2.jpg


Obviously, any information offered up here is entirely voluntary,

I used to think I was kinky and pervy, but I have since discovered I am pretty vanilla by fetish type standards. So, nothing to see here, just move along folks.

[D. Scarlatti]

People actually have "favorite porn directors"? Seriously? Come on.

[viscousmemories]

When I was young I preferred Penthouse to Playboy because there were couples shoots implying sexual action instead of just pictures of women. But even moreso I liked Penthouse Forum because it was much more explicit.

I like erotic comic books too but not so much the anime stuff. I mean I think the anime characters are hot and all, but I don't really understand why one of the them seems to always turn into some kind of gargantuan, mechanical octupus like monster that disembowels and dismembers the other and sexually assaults all the individual parts. :?

With the Internet of course came the opportunity to explore perversion on a whole new level, and all I have to say about that is that I've seen just about anything and everything imaginable. Some pretty sick shit, and some pretty bland shit, and my tastes have been all over the map over the years. All I can say is with Usenet, anything is possible. :yup:

[livius drusus]

I've written some porn that wasn't half bad (just standard het college kids a'rompin' crap), and I wasn't even really trying hard. :nail:

[dave_a]

I've written some porn that wasn't half bad (just standard het college kids a'rompin' crap), and I wasn't even really trying hard. :nail:

Why not post it and let us be the judge? :popcorn:

[livius drusus]

Cause I'd have to retype it from the, erm, hard copy, and I'm way too lazy to do that. Besides, if I was going to write for public criticism, I'd totally put my back into it; I wouldn't just dust off some silly crap I did for a gas ages ago.

[JoeP]

I like erotic comic books too but not so much the anime stuff. I mean I think the anime characters are hot and all, but I don't really understand why one of the them seems to always turn into some kind of gargantuan, mechanical octupus like monster that disembowels and dismembers the other and sexually assaults all the individual parts. :?

That's like asking why is the sky blue. It just is. Anime porn wouldn't be anime porn without tentacle rape.

[pescifish]

In two of my long term adult relationships (not the live in one with my college boyfriend -- both of us too young to know enough yet), my boyfriends and I enjoyed the occasional porn video in the comfort of our bedroom. For myself, I prefer to sketch out my own fantasies in drawings: I'm no artist, but they work for me in the way that erotic "stroke" writing works. There was a period of time on the Internet when I enjoyed what I called "directed erotica" which was not cybersex, but I would tailor an IM session with a male friend based on a fantasy of his choosing. I'd make adjustments as I went along based on his reactions.

Most of the Internet still porn is too "in my face" to do much for me. I can do better with my own fantasies, if I am without a partner. If I have a partner, then I do enjoy sharing whatever we run into together; either Internet or in home movies.

[JoeP]

erm, hard copy,
:haha:
I'd totally put my back into it
:mock:

[pzmyers]

I apparently write it.

Google for the phrase "tentacle sex" (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22tentacle+sex%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8). I'm #1! W00t!

[pzmyers]

Oh, and I'm also number one for "octopus sex" (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22octopus+sex%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8).

Some might say there is a tendency here.

[JoeP]

Combine octopus sex with this: tiny octopi mating inside your mouth? Oral tentacle sex anyone?

[Adora]

slash? If you are into that you might like yaoi if you like anime. [hehe, I feel like the amazon.com thing where they give you recommendations based upon your previous selections] I didn't even know what yaoi was until recently, but there you have it.
I've been into yaoi since I was 11 and found a Teknoman Blade yaoi doujinshi at a comic store. :P My favourite artist is Kazusa Takashima, but she does original yaoi stories and not fan ones of anime/manga series. Her artwork is gorgeous and of course, very very hot. Though she does some very very pretty uke's (uke=bottom) she doesn't do shoutacon stuff much. Most of her works are older fellas. Though there are some exceptions >.>...

That's like asking why is the sky blue. It just is. Anime porn wouldn't be anime porn without tentacle rape.
Damn straight. Mmmm tentacle yaoi molestation (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/TheAnimeSchoolgirl/plants.jpg)... *snickers*

Combine octopus sex with this: tiny octopi mating inside your mouth? Oral tentacle sex anyone?
I think I saw an ukiyo-e print like that once. 'The Fisherman's Wife', or somethng like that?

[pzmyers]

I think I saw an ukiyo-e print like that once. 'The Fisherman's Wife', or somethng like that?

Hokusai?

http://pharyngula.org/images/hokusai_octopus.jpg

Teraoka?

http://pharyngula.org/images/teraoka_octopus.jpg

Saeki?

http://pharyngula.org/images/saeki_octopus.jpg

This is going to get me labeled as a real pervert, but I collect these things for the images of cephalopods.

[xorbie]

That is quite possibly the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. Thanks.

[Petra]

Y'all are getting weirder by the minute. Talk about gettin' yer freak on, you even have yer own language!


pz - that top pic is actually quite erotic, I think. The second one is just scary, and the third one is...I dunno know what it is, but I think it's kinda boring.


I must be so much more vanilla than I'd ever realised. And it's quite comforting to know that, actually.

:innocent:

[livius drusus]

This is going to get me labeled as a real pervert, but I collect these things for the images of cephalopods.

Degenerate.

[pzmyers]

that top pic is actually quite erotic, I think. The second one is just scary, and the third one is...I dunno know what it is, but I think it's kinda boring.

I think the third one is quite provocative, actually. You need to know that at the juncture of the tentacles, the octopus has this structure, a beak:

http://rbcm1.rbcm.gov.bc.ca/programs/expert/octopus/images/raa121-beaks.jpg

It puts the image in a whole new light.

[dave_a]

This is going to get me labeled as a real pervert, but I collect these things for the images of cephalopods.

Yeah, the cephalopods, it's always about the cephalopods, especially when they are nekkid.

Note to admins: we don't appear to have any smilies appropriate for this occasion. :sheepshag:

[Petra]

pz, that sure does change how I now see that picture. It really is very dark and provocative. I don't know whether to laugh, or cross my legs and cringe at that poor young boy's gentle, yet terrible seduction.

You are a sick, sick man. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. :cool:

[Adora]

Hokusai? Teraoka? Saeki?
Actually it was none of those. It involved two octupi- one on her face and one on the er, other end. Not the first one by Hokusai though.

That is quite possibly the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. Thanks.
You haven't seen much, have you? Go read Sexylosers...

[seebs]

I was way more into it as a kid. I guess... I find the fascination with porn among many Christian groups weird. I don't really object to porn. I don't necessarily think it's a great thing, but I don't think it's inherently evil, or inherently degrading, or whatever. So... I dunno. I might look at some when I'm bored. I spent a couple of hours sorting through a huge GIF collection I acquired as a teenager... Looking for the cool computer graphics. :)

I think the thing is that making porn forbidden makes it a lot more exciting and alluring. Without that, it's just pink pixels. I know a nudist who observes that this applies to real bodies, too. If it's not forbidden to see a nude body, it's just a body.

Curiously, my wife, who is in most ways fairly jealous and possessive, would have no problems with me looking at nude girls if I were drawing them. That's not sex, that's art.

Anyway... Anyone who's into slash should RUN, not walk, to my wife's webcomic. Of course, the webcomic just walks until we make enough money to buy a better feed, but... Metanoia (http://www.plethora.net/metanoia) has a certain amount of slash to it. Perhaps more interestingly, she's doing a hardcore dojinshi for the comic, which will be available for sale. :)

My wife and one of her friends like to do roleplaying games (really more collaborative storytelling), and they tend to have a lot of gay sex in them. I find this endlessly fascinating, especially because the friend is very naive (no sexual experience at all, so far as I know), and fairly innocent... But for some reason, really enjoys writing hardcore gay sex.

Anyway, I dunno. A lot of porn is sorta boring. I might feel differently, except one of my squick-boundaries is that I would feel really weird fantasizing about people other than Beloved Spouse, so it's not really all that exciting for me.

[The Lone Ranger]

I don't have very much experience, admittedly, but I've never found porn to be very interesting. I just don't have much interest in watching other people have sex.

I've seen Hustler magazine once or twice, and wasn't terribly impressed. Raunchiness for its own sake doesn't do much for me. Maybe it's because it looks so fake, somehow.

On the other hand, I saw a film once which featured an actual couple, according to the seller. The two of them really seemed to care about each other, and it showed. They were making love not just having sex. Good googley moogley that was exciting! (I didn't buy it, though. It's not like I would have been interesting in watching it again.)

That having been said, I do love the way a beautiful woman looks. I don't consider it porn at all -- closer to art -- but I like domai (http://domai.com/) quite a lot for instance, and I consider Roseleena Blair (http://gomi.piwko.pl/galeria.php?i=Roseleena%20Blair.jpg) to be a living work of art. [Probably not a good idea to click on either of those links if you're at work, by the way.]



What's the deal with "slash" in fan fiction, by the way? My all-time favorite television series is Emergency! (http://www.emergencyfans.com/), so you can imagine my delight to discover that there's quite a bit of Emergency! fanfic online. So, why is it that every other story features Johnny and Roy jumping into bed together? The same seems to be true of Star Trek and Highlander fanfiction as well, so far as I can tell. I'm not opposed to it of course, but I don't care to read it. I want to read about my heroes saving L.A. County from raging brushfires and whatnot, and having lots of healthy bonding in the process -- not abandoning their wives and jumping into bed together.

Cheers,

Michael

[JoeP]

This is going to get me labeled as a real pervert, but I collect these things for the images of cephalopods.
..., officer.

[Adora]

What's the deal with "slash" in fan fiction, by the way?

1) Safe, subversive environment in fandom away from the prying eyes of censors and mainstream moral judgements (at least in the West). Though there are always occasional crackdowns by copyright lawyers or members of the fandoms who are against slash, you simply can't kill it off in this sort of environment. It's not "official" so it's not subject to the official laws of acceptable literature and media.

2) Repressed female sexuality finding an outlet. Women find men sexy. So what's sexier than two sexy creatures having sex with each other? If you find out, please tell me (Okay... Jessica Chapman comes very close...). Really, if Borders stocked more gay erotica, there wouldn't be this need. But looking at the wordpr0n shelves in the store just makes me bored. It's all chicks with corsets and whips and pulp anthologies just rehashing The Story Of O.

3) Chicks tend to prefer (with exceptions, of course) wordpr0n over visuals, because visual pornography has been the territory of males for so long. So there tends to be more slash fics written, though slash art is almost an artistic genre in itself, there's so damn much of it.

4) Most active communities fandom in most series is female-dominated. This is because they're not the producers, so they're more likely to work through re-writings & reinterpretations of the text in many forms, be it Mary Sues or Slash. Because most media in the world (yes, even in our pretend-equal Western world) is produced predominantly by males, and any that is produced by females tends to get shunted, we've got to find a way to have a say in it somehow.

5) Nothing is sacred. NOTHING! I have read Bible Slash. It was hilarious, terrifying and fucking brilliant at the same time (wasn't very hot though). Though I tend to have a hangup about Real People Slash. I just prefer to keep it in the realms of "fantasy" and all that.

Oh, and 6) BECAUSE WE CAN!

[livius drusus]

I think the third one is quite provocative, actually. You need to know that at the juncture of the tentacles, the octopus has this structure, a beak:

So the guy is actually get a cephalopod blow job?

It puts the image in a whole new light.

A whole Stephen King Presents The World According to Garp light, in fact.

[D. Scarlatti]

[Probably not a good idea to click on either of those links if you're at work, by the way.]

No problem, I'm a porn director.

[Beth]

pz - that top pic is actually quite erotic, I think. The second one is just scary, and the third one is...I dunno know what it is, but I think it's kinda boring.
Actually, it is funny, I kinda agree. Which, well, I think, squicks me a little.
:eek: Octopi and sex...wow, and yeah, the beak thing, well, one must look past that.

[dave_a]

So the guy is actually get a cephalopod blow job?



Sure, the same kind of BJ one could expect from attempting to insert his penis into the beak of a large parrot. It's literally a once in a lifetime experience. [again, we seem to lack an appropriate smilie for this]

Y'know, I do recall reading something somewhere a long time ago that was about these women who had razor like things inside them and they would lure men to penetrate them. I wonder if that is it's own formal genre now too? :eek:

I am so underexposed to all this stuff, my head is reeling. Must get faster processor.

[Lauri D]

I've always had a general preference for still photography over moving picture stuff. I think it's because I find my own imagination to be much more interesting and creative than most of what I've seen in videos and DVDs etc. Once in a while I enjoy popping a tape in or watching a clip on the computer, but when I feel like looking at something (which is pretty occasional, maybe a few times a month) I tend to prefer stills.

[JoeP]

Y'know, I do recall reading something somewhere a long time ago that was about these women who had razor like things inside them and they would lure men to penetrate them. I wonder if that is it's own formal genre now too? :eek:Hmm ... in the Many Coloured Land series by Julian May (which I haven't read for ~15 years) there is a race called the Firvulag, who have teeth in their vaginas. My g/f of the time was very taken with the idea.

I am so underexposed to all this stuff, my head is reeling. Must get faster processor.Yup, the computer industry (and the internet) is driven by porn. I expect Intel has a division producing prn movies.

[godfry n. glad]

Okay... I'm going to make it ever so clear that I'm a old geezer.

What the hell is "slash", in the context you've provided? Man, I can come up with lots of possibilities, but none of them seems to fit into the context (as I understand it), so I'm clueless.

Then, the octopussy picture, where the young man is attempting to penetrate that....creature. Since that creature is not an octopus, in that it has mammary glands, a torso, arms, coiffed hair and a mouth. The mandibles you are being suggested that should be there might very well have something else in their place, since that's the case with the "cephla" portion of the cephlapod. (What animal needs two mouths? - Are there any?)

(niggle, niggle)

And...to answer the OP, yeah, I like porn (if that's what you mean by Pr0n). Since I know I shall never have my ultimate sexual fantasy, I try to fuel that fantasy with images... My fantasy is pretty straightforward heterosexual male: I'd like a harem of nubile young beautiful women. I get reinforcement of my fantasy every time I go to the grocery store. Yep. Just stand in line sometime and pay close attention to the magazine cover images that jump out at you. Man...that and a Victoria's Secret catalog....well, you can only imagine. I have a collection of old (like, 1980s) Penthouses and a couple of explicit couple sex videos (tame, y'know). A collection of statuettes, bronze, marble and composite, and the Bougeureau nudes on the wall that are more artistic renderings of the erotic female human form. I rotate through about oh, 40 favorites over time. Prurient images. A different one each night. Three or four some evenings. My harem.

As for online...well, I'm a tightwad. Free only, and I've found that to be largely tasteless. I _like_ the airbrush. I'm in this for fantasy images, not a view of somebody's ass zits.

So... No real kinks. I do like lingerie, though. And freckles.

:qsigh:

The real thing is soooooo much better.

godfry

[Adora]

Okay... I'm going to make it ever so clear that I'm a old geezer.
What the hell is "slash", in the context you've provided? Man, I can come up with lots of possibilities, but none of them seems to fit into the context (as I understand it), so I'm clueless.
You are so an old geezer. It's kinda cute.

Slash is chicks of all sexualities and occasionally gay men writing stories about two or three, or four... or more, males from their favourite show/movie/book/comic/band/whatever getting it on/getting together. I've never heard of straight males doing it, for the reasons mentioned above in the list. There is a female version of it called femslash, though it's not as popular.

The phrase refers to the / inbetween the names of the individuals involved. For example, Mulder/Krychek, Aragorn/Legolas, Clark/Lex, etc etc. Within the fandoms these are just shortened to letters for the characters, like Hr/Fl (an obscure branch of Harry Potter femslash that does Hermione/Fleur...).

And it goes back a long way. Most people put the first big slash fandom in Star Trek. I've got friends who you could classify as "Vintage" slash fans. They like older series like The Young Riders, A Team and (another massive slash fandom) Starsky and Hutch. And as I mentioned, I have seen Bible slash. Nothing is sacred.

As for online...well, I'm a tighwad. Free only, and I've found that to be largely tasteless. I _like_ the airbrush. I'm in this for fantasy images, not looking as somebody's ass zits.
Ah hahaha. if only they used the airbrush for serious reasons like that, and not just because they aren't allowed to show labia (at least in my country... fucking stupid censorship laws). They're allowed to show as much details as possible on teh cocks though. Damn double standards.

My g/f of the time was very taken with the idea.
Y'know there's this anime called Wicked City where... nevermind.

Maybe I've just lead a really perverted teenhood (which is probably the reason), but you guys are so boring. I was expecting someone saying they liked nun porn or something...

[godfry n. glad]

Okay... I'm going to make it ever so clear that I'm a old geezer.
What the hell is "slash", in the context you've provided? Man, I can come up with lots of possibilities, but none of them seems to fit into the context (as I understand it), so I'm clueless.
You are so an old geezer. It's kinda cute.

Yup... Bonfide graybeard. More'n half a century.

Maybe I've just lead a really perverted teenhood (which is probably the reason), but you guys are so boring. I was expecting someone saying they liked nun porn or something...

Yeah, well... I thought I was pretty boring.
My girlfriend doesn't think so, so I'm in luck. :groucho:

As for your teenhood, I'm in no position to comment.
I suspect very few others are, either.

Good thing there's a variety of tastes, huh? :wink:

Thanks for the definition....nothin' in my bag. Explains my deficiency.

godfry

[dave_a]

Maybe I've just lead a really perverted teenhood (which is probably the reason), but you guys are so boring. I was expecting someone saying they liked nun porn or something...

Weren't you the one who had a thread about your not getting any? How can you possibly be such a perv and still not get any? Then again maybe you are such a perv cuz you ain't getting any. Hmmm... will have to think about that.

In any event whoever has the honor of being the first seems likely to be in for one hell of a wild ride. I mean that in a good way, just in case it isn't clear.

[godfry n. glad]

Ah hahaha. if only they used the airbrush for serious reasons like that, and not just because they aren't allowed to show labia (at least in my country... fucking stupid censorship laws). They're allowed to show as much details as possible on teh cocks though. Damn double standards.


Sorry...?

That's not my country. In which nation-state are you situated?

No labia? That's....sacreligious. This....this....cannot be. :shakefist:

godfry

[Adora]

How can you possibly be such a perv and still not get any?

Your guess is as good as mine. Fill me in once you've thought about it, because I haven't even figured it out yet.

As for the labia thing, here Down Under we have this stupid law that says the genital area being displayed by females must be "healed" (ie- genital detail and labia airbrushed out) unless you want the item it's in to be sealed in plastic in most states and banned in two of them (my state being one of them). It's a fuckoff stupid law the OFLC still holds onto for no reason I (or people in the industry) can possibly fathom and it's doing some serious damage to girls who think their normal labia isn't normal because it doesn't look like it does in their boyfriend's porn mags.

[godfry n. glad]

As for the labia thing, here Down Under we have this stupid law that says the genital area being displayed by females must be "healed" (ie- genital detail and labia airbrushed out) unless you want the item it's in to be sealed in plastic in most states and banned in two of them (my state being one of them). It's a fuckoff stupid law the OFLC still holds onto for no reason I (or people in the industry) can possibly fathom and it's doing some serious damage to girls who think their normal labia isn't normal because it doesn't look like it does in their boyfriend's porn mags.

:doh:

So, it's a state by state thing, eh? It seems bloody stupid to allow photos of the genital area and then demand that details be airbrushed. Just out of interest, do the unairbrushed items, that have to be hermetically sealed, cost more?

The approach here in the US (in terms of the open, popular market, rather than the underground hard-care market) was for years to show everything except the vulva. Y'know, the Playboy style photos, with hints of public hair and plenty of tits and ass. Then Hustler and Penthouse started offering up "wide open beaver shots" (don't ask me, I'm as puzzled as Kurt Vonnegut about the phrase) for the soft-porn market. Governmental entities have pretty much given up on trying to control porn (other than kiddie porn) and are relying largely upon public censure of the disapproving populace to keep it corralled. (At least it seems that way to me, but I'm not involved with the industry at all, other than as a minor consumer.)

I'm with you, I think it's fucking stupid and a waste of taxpayer's money to enforce.

godfry

[godfry n. glad]

How can you possibly be such a perv and still not get any?

Your guess is as good as mine. Fill me in once you've thought about it, because I haven't even figured it out yet.



Um... Can I offer up a speculation?

godfry

[viscousmemories]

(At least it seems that way to me, but I'm not involved with the industry at all, other than as a minor consumer.)
Huh, weird. Consuming minors is illegal where I live...

[Blake]

I like erotic comic books too but not so much the anime stuff. I mean I think the anime characters are hot and all, but I don't really understand why one of the them seems to always turn into some kind of gargantuan, mechanical octupus like monster that disembowels and dismembers the other and sexually assaults all the individual parts. :?

That's like asking why is the sky blue. It just is. Anime porn wouldn't be anime porn without tentacle rape.
It's often said that tentacles are prevalent because of censorship regulations prohibiting depiction of the penis (controversial wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Japan#Censorship_laws)). Although after seeing pz's images, I'm led to the disturbing thought that taste might also have had something to do with it.

[Ronin]

I love calamari...that can't be so wrong.

I've suddenly forgotten if I'm in the Last Meal or Appetizers thread.

[Bella]

Don't feel bad, godfry - I'm 22 and I have never heard of "slash" before either. Much less tent-a-porn (EEEEEEEE).

Also - do people really get zits on their asses, or are you just saying that to illustrate your point? I've only ever had them on my face, although I guess people must get them other places because of the existance of the word "bacne" <shudder>.

[godfry n. glad]

Yes, Bree, people really do get zits on their asses.

I have personally observed and experienced zits in such places.

Probably from consuming too many minors.

godfry

[Adora]

Um... Can I offer up a speculation?

It's a free forum. Why would I stop you?

It's often said that tentacles are prevalent because of censorship regulations prohibiting depiction of the penis.

True and yet not true. It probably started out like that, but these days the government is pretty lax when it comes to censoring hentai manga and anime (and especially doujinshi- amateur or fan comics) and only tends to do anything about it when incredibly minor yet very vocal Christian "family" groups (imported from the US, of course) kick up a stink about it.

I only know these laws through my observance of IPS, or Invisible Penis Syndrome in yaoi comics. Also common is GPS, of Glowing Penis Syndrome (so you can find it in the dark). You get this a lot in "mainstream" yaoi comics to avoid the censors. Fan doujinshi really don't give a stuff about it though, and tend to be happy to show teh cock in all its glory whenever they feel like it.
At least in comics. Can't speak for Japanese gay porn mags or anything...

[Goliath]

I'd never heard of "slash" until I saw this thread, either.

As for the OP, I switch between still images (both magazine and digital), video, and text...depending on my mood and how lazy my imagination is at the time.

[viscousmemories]

I'll never talk openly about my sexual proclivities in an environment like this without more anonymity than I currently have. Frank discussion of explicit fantasies is legal today, but free speech is being consistenly diminished and I'm wary it'll one day be gone. So I'll just stick to the "R" rated stuff for the time being.

Anyway I've learned a lot from this thread too. I never heard of slash either, for one. And well there were a lot of other things I learned too, but I'm too tired to recount.

[godfry n. glad]

Um... Can I offer up a speculation?

It's a free forum. Why would I stop you?

Because you might think it an invasion of your privacy. To be frank, before I could make an informed speculation, I'd have to have more personal information about you. I would understand if you didn't want that made public. You see, I'm a bit puzzled about you, too. I have you pictured as a 20-year old Aussie female who's into an obscure and somewhat kinky kind of porno...and has a concern about her level of sexual activity.

Given all that, and your descriptions of the 'zine stuff and slash and all, I still don't know what you fantasize that initial loss of virginity as being. I don't know if your proclivities are homo- or heterosexual or ambisexual. Or polymorphic pansexuality, as one of my friends refers to his girlfriend.

Then, I'm curious as to how the storytelling that you and your cohorts do in slash...uh...stimulates sexual feelings in you, the reader. If these are homosexual encounters that are described, how do you, as a female, place yourself in context to the people and the act being described and how does what is described affect you, sexually? How does the sexual fantasy work?

I ask, because as a heterosexual male, I'm attracted to graphic images of females in various states of obvious sexual receptivity. I place myself in context to the viewed as her lover. She wants ME. In that heightened state of sexual invitation, I'm arosed and erect. If there is a penis or a male with an erect penis in the picture....that is ME. I can continue the coitus in my mind, making love to that person. Until I ejaculate. I have an orgasm and relax into a comfortable glow. Fantasy complete. Clean up. Put away viewing material.

It's basic masturbation fuel.

What's your porn "payoff" and how's it provided?

All of what I ask is none of my business. If you wished not to discuss it, I would honor that.

godfry

[Sweetie]

Do you prefer literature over pictures, or moving images over stills?

-I'm not into porn persay for several reasons, one of which is that I can get so lost in fantasy land that real sex tends to lose it's thrill, but for the sake of variety, I will mention what type I find attractive. Anything homemade is the biggest turn-off possible. Anything that is not homemade, produced, but looks as if it is homemade, just as bad. I am attracted to movie quality pics and videos with attractive people, generally two men and one woman and no interaction between the two males, FYI, or two women or more are the most appealing. I could watch a whole porn video and feel completely detached because of the quality, and yet there could be five minutes of something in a regular movie that is completely arousing. I would say that the latter gives a more sensual feel to it, not so sharp and cheap and/or cheesy. I would prefer however, literature with maybe not any sexual content specifically to it, but a really dynamic and heated relationship in it. It's a romantic thing I think, it's more stirring than anything else can generate, including visual images and explicit descriptions.

[Adora]

polymorphic pansexuality

That's... um... an interesting way to put it. That's not even on Wikipedia, and they have everything. Care to provide a definition for that one?

Then, I'm curious as to how the storytelling that you and your cohorts do in slash...uh...stimulates sexual feelings in you, the reader. If these are homosexual encounters that are described, how do you, as a female, place yourself in context to the people and the act being described and how does what is described affect you, sexually? How does the sexual fantasy work?

Mrh. It's more complex than I'm probably going to describe it as, and there are people who have done it better, but I'll have a crack at it. It also takes a while to explain, sorry, so er, you may just want to skip to the bottom.

Mostly it relates to #2 in the list I provided The Lone Ranger with and associated gender issues. For an extremely long time, and definitely within written history, the male is the Default and the female gender is the Other. It's the thing that differs from the norm and is defined as in opposition to something. So whenever you are to write something involving sex and relationships involving women, you always get those issues coming into play. Even if you don't include them, people will comment that the film/series/book/piece of media lacks X issues commonly associated with female relationships/sexuality and so is "special" because of it (even if it's not).

So if you want to write something totally without these confining and repressive gender issues that have permeated our society, you get rid of the gender issue and reduce the two (or more) people involved to the Default.

And for someone like me who does find a lot of slash satisfying, this is a big issue. I find gender issues and such, when brought up in erotica/porn or romance to be a big turn-off, emotionall and physically. I really don't know how this applies to other women, because honestly, I've never asked, but it just irks me as much in fantasy as it does in real life. I think you will find this differs somewhat in the slash community though, because there are some writers/artists who really bitch-up their characters (or macho-up, depending). They basically give them manginas or make them neanderthal-macho-cavemen and play into gender stereotypes. And whilst I'm not against the occasional pretty cross-dressing uke in yaoi or genderfucking oneshot (single short fic) in my slash, if I'm reading a longer romance fic or novella-length one, having to witness the uber-feminisation of some characters just makes me hit the back button.

*ahem* Anyway, back on topic... where was I?
Oh yeah, the Default. So you've got your two characters who are perceived by some of the readers and writers to be generally devoid of the gender issues that can be a turn-off in their fantasies. And they're also creatures that the readers and writers would find attractive for some reason or another. I've spoken to lesbian slash writers who say "I've only ever had sex with females and I only get turned on by females, but somehow my brain won't let me let go of the image of X covered in honey (insert explicit fic description here)..." There's no point to writing it unless it satisfies someone in the fandom community you're moving in. For a friend's birthday coming up I'll be drawing a slashy picture (not pornographic though, since her parents have to see it at her party, heh) of a character and a pairing I find very hard to come to grips with, but because it's for her I'll do it. But sometimes people who say they don't ship (ship= means you a supporter of a certain pairing- short for "relationship") a certain pairing write some of the best fics about that pairing because they have a different take on the relationship yet still find something about the two characters appealing.

Er, okay... once again trailing off topic. But the short version is: They're sexy/attractive creatures for one reason or another.

But personally, the inhabited role in the fantasy changes a lot for me. This is different wherever you go in the slash community though. It changes as much from person to person as any sexual fantasy does. But one day I may read a fic and, even though it may be written from a certain POV, I may inhabit it from the other side. Or that of the voyeur. Or both. Recently I read a fic that walked a very fine like between ambiguous consent/seduction/coercion and found it was a brilliant fic to me because I kept on changing the position I was reading it from and enjoyed it from every single angle. And yeah, just thinking about it, that's what makes it a good fic to me.

I apply this to anything I read for sexual fantasies though, not just slash.

Even when reading a voyeur wankfic (ie- a fic where individual who is having a quiet word with Mrs Palmer is being watched by someone else who's probably doing the same), written heavily from only one narrow POV, because of the way slash is written I find it easy to change from one role inhabitation to another.

That's probably a big thing about slash and the difference between this form of chickporn/erolit and stuff written by men. You can always tell a piece of erotica/strokelit when it's written by a man. Always. It's definitive, physical, single-dimension descriptive and doesn't allow much movement between the roles one can take to it. Which is fine. It's written for guys, by guys, to certain male mindsets about sexuality. And that's fine. But it's not what works for me, and so I go to slash, where it's all ambiguous and mutable enough for me to move in and out of roles and enjoy everything I want to in the fantasy.

I apply these same standards to non-slash porny lit or fics I read as well. A good straight fic or lit fantasy is one where I can swap and change roles, that doesn't have the constrictive gender issues (that I find come up in male-writte porn a lot) that I don't like and turn me off, and that is just plain sexy for me. There are recurring situations and fantasies I find sexy and there are others that come and go, and depending on what/where/when I am depends on what I'm looking for.

So, er, I guess that's it. My porn payoff is a fantasy where I don't have to be confined to X gender role, and where I can inhabit bodies/roles I find sex or a turn-on, in slash or het porn. It just happens more often in slash because of authorship, subject and audience issues that do not exist in male-producer dominated genres. I think. Though I'm sure someone else will disagree with me.

Now you can all tie me up, chuck me to the Freudian psychologists and let them have a field day.

Sorry to all the people who weren't expecting this whole thread to get derailed by slash discussion. I didn't mean for it to be like this, really. Maybe the mods might want to shift a few of the replies to their own thread if they feel it's too much Off-Topic and such.

[livius drusus]

Sorry to all the people who weren't expecting this whole thread to get derailed by slash discussion. I didn't mean for it to be like this, really. Maybe the mods might want to shift a few of the replies to their own thread if they feel it's too much Off-Topic and such.

Even if we had mods, I wouldn't let them break up this thread. I think it's taken a fascinating turn and am reading it with great interest.

[godfry n. glad]

Likewise... I'm learning something new. 'Course, bein' hyperconventional in such things contributes.

Default? Other? Is default necessarily male? I'm not clearly reading that am I? Is it possible to adequately communicate to a conventional heterosexual male?

Polymorphic pansexuality? Oh, that's my phrase for those for whom the gender, which orifices and number of participants of any given sexual experience are superfluous. I limit this to human participants; others do not. I know none of those who do not.

Is anybody else here familiar with Ursula LeGuin's Left Hand of Darkness?

godfry

[Adora]

Default? Other? Is default necessarily male? I'm not clearly reading that am I? Is it possible to adequately communicate to a conventional heterosexual male?

Yes, it is male. In our society, fuck, around the world, it is. Since, oh, I dunno... Historians put it around the 10-7 thousand-years-ago mark, there was a switch and the default became male instead of female. But it is, and it has been long enough for it to become ingrained in gender construction in our society. Homophpobia and misogyny are still the greatest policing forces of the male identity in far too much of our culture - eg, "What are you, a fag?" or the wonderfully intellectual comments by Ahh-nuld about "Girly-men" are just some prime examples. When you are the default, you're Policed not to be the Other by society. When you are the Other, well, there never seems to be quite as much stigma in our society about girls dressing masculine or females crossdressing as males as there is for the other way around. Ever wonder why that is? Why is it that when you are faced with an androgynous last name and you don't know the gender of a person in a job, they assume its male? Even products which you assume are made for a range of people, such as cars, have all their safety requirements and testing carried out using "The 50th Percentile Male" theory.

I don't think it's easy to convey this to a heterosexual male without the proper teaching tools, which I don't have. Heh. When you're in a priviledged position in society, it's rather like that "You don't know what you've got til its gone" phrase. And then we get to Backlash movements which are a whole other phenomenon altogether (and this is way off the topic of pr0n and so I apologise again...).

[godfry n. glad]

When you are the Other, well, there never seems to be quite as much stigma in our society about girls dressing masculine or females crossdressing as males as there is for the other way around. Ever wonder why that is?

Yeah. Can you explain why that is?

Why is it that when you are faced with an androgynous last name and you don't know the gender of a person in a job, they assume its male?

That's been quite the opposite of my experience. My RL name is gender ambiguous and most mailers and callers expect me to be female.

godfry

[Adora]

Yeah. Can you explain why that is?

Because to be masculine is good, it is to be "normalised", it is to be the Default. The best word I've ever heard coined for it is 'Heteronormativity'. For males, even cultures that step beyond that are stigmatised. The reactions to some men I know to the concept of a lap-lap are just ludicris.

Maybe I can use something to illustrate it better. Freud's theories are probably a perfect example of hetereonormativity which privileges males. His idea that "everything revolves around the penis" and that it's the females reaction to the fact she doesn't have one is an excellent reasoning that places the male as the "norm" and the female as the "abonormal". It couldn't possibly the opposite; that the male is the mutation and that the female genitalia is the "normal" - or that there is no fucking "normal" at all. No, it has to privilege the male.

It doesn't just happen in Western society, but these are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head.