Pre-canned Eulogy

[alphamale]

It is with great sadness that we, the American people, mourn the passing of Bubba Clinton. How can we ever forget his diligent efforts to protect the country in a time when the world was threatened by islamofascism? The women of this country will never forget his tender concern for the female gender. Likewise, his concern for the welfare of america's youth was clearly shown when his surgeon general, Joycelyn Elders, advocated masturbation being taught in the government schools. Bubba was always on guard against domestic threats to the republic, as when his attorney general burned alive a questionable christian sect. How can we ever forget his diligent care in protecting america's borders - like when he staged a midnight raid of 150 jackbooted police to capture a dangerous 7-year-old illegal alien and return him to Fidel Castro? Bubba was a bon-vivant in his dining tastes, and a generally rough-housing fun guy, like when he trashed the white house befor leaving. We'll miss you, Bubba!

[D. Scarlatti]

Is there a term for half-spam, half-troll?

[Crumb]

:yawning:

[D. Scarlatti]

That works.

[alphamale]

Is there a term for half-spam, half-troll?

No, but I'll attempt to invent one -

How about Scarren? Wait, how about Warlatti?

[The Lone Ranger]

Likewise, his concern for the welfare of america's youth was clearly shown when his surgeon general, Joycelyn Elders, advocated masturbation being taught in the government schools.
No she didn't. She said that it might be a good idea for sex education classes to discuss the subject of masturbation, which is hardly the same thing. On December 1, 1994, at a UN-sponsored conference on AIDS, she was asked her views on prevention of AIDS through more explicit discussion of masturbation in sex-education classes. She replied that in her view, masturbation "is a part of human sexuality, and it's a part of something that perhaps should be taught." As such, it should be a part of a "comprehensive" sex education program.

She never said that kids should be taught masturbation -- only that sex-education classes should note that masturbation exists.


Bubba was a bon-vivant in his dining tastes, and a generally rough-housing fun guy, like when he trashed the white house befor leaving.
Actually, the reports that the White House was "trashed" when the Clintons left turned out to be nasty and totally unfounded rumors that were spread by Clinton detractors. In response to allegations by a request by Rep. Bob Barr (Republican, Georgia), the General Services Administration conducted an investigation and reported on May 17 2001 that there was no evidence of anything unusual having taken place, and that "the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy."

Cheers,

Michael

[alphamale]

Likewise, his concern for the welfare of america's youth was clearly shown when his surgeon general, Joycelyn Elders, advocated masturbation being taught in the government schools.
No she didn't. She said that it might be a good idea for sex education classes to discuss the subject of masturbation, which is hardly the same thing. On December 1, 1994, at a UN-sponsored conference on AIDS, she was asked her views on prevention of AIDS through more explicit discussion of masturbation in sex-education classes. She replied that in her view, masturbation "is a part of human sexuality, and it's a part of something that perhaps should be taught." As such, it should be a part of a "comprehensive" sex education program.

She never said that kids should be taught masturbation -- only that sex-education classes should note that masturbation exists.


Bubba was a bon-vivant in his dining tastes, and a generally rough-housing fun guy, like when he trashed the white house befor leaving.
Actually, the reports that the White House was "trashed" when the Clintons left turned out to be nasty and totally unfounded rumors that were spread by Clinton detractors. In response to allegations by a request by Rep. Bob Barr (Republican, Georgia), the General Services Administration conducted an investigation and reported on May 17 2001 that there was no evidence of anything unusual having taken place, and that "the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy."

Cheers,

Michael

Anybody, say 13 or over, knows that it exists - they don't have to be told that it exists. The ones under 13 will find out soon enough - so why do they have to be told it exists?

[JoeP]

Is there a term for half-spam, half-troll?"Tram", as in being run over by one.

[JoeP]

She never said that kids should be taught masturbation -- only that sex-education classes should note that masturbation exists.She's only saying they should be taught "the controversy".

[D. Scarlatti]

How about Scarren? Wait, how about Warlatti?

It was about your post, not you. But if the shoe fits.

[WinAce]

What's wrong with teaching masturbation? (I presume the private sector does it better or more efficiently, or something?)

[The Lone Ranger]

Anybody, say 13 or over, knows that it exists - they don't have to be told that it exists. The ones under 13 will find out soon enough - so why do they have to be told it exists?

By this logic, we shouldn't teach sex education at all, since every 13-year-old is well-aware that sex exists.

What upset people about Dr. Elders' remarks, I think, is that she advocated teaching that masturbation is a normal part of a healthy sex life. I rather suspect a lot of people either wanted the subject avoided entirely, or wanted educators to tell kids that masturbation is wrong, somehow. Why so many people seem to think that masturbation is somehow eeevil, I'm not entirely certain. Perhaps it has to do with the "sin" of "spilling one's seed" or something.


Anyway, my point was that at least two of the claims in the OP are outright fabrications. (Not deliberately so on your part, I'm certain.) I assumed you'd want those misapprehensions corrected. Please forgive me if I was mistaken.

Cheers,

Michael

[Godless Dave]

Remember how the guy who ordered the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is in prison for the rest of his life?

Are you saying a boy whose mother died should be raised by strangers instead of returned to his father? It takes a village I guess...

[Sauron]

It is with great sadness that we blah blah blah

Agreed. So poorly written that it deserves to be canned. Need help?

[alphamale]

Remember how the guy who ordered the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is in prison for the rest of his life?

Remember how Bubba sent two FBI agents to SA to "arrest" Osama? They're probably still laughing about that one at Al Qaeda headquarters. Remember how Bubba did essentially nothing for eight years while Al Qaeda was building its international infrastructure? Remember how Bubba's employee Gorlick established the "wall" between the FBI and CIA that made 9/11 possible? Remember when Bubba sent a bunch of cruise missiles to just bounce the rubble around at an empty al qaeda training camp - probably another howler for the islamofascists?

Are you saying a boy whose mother died should be raised by strangers instead of returned to his father? It takes a village I guess...

No, I'm saying his relatives here were ready, willing, and able to take him, but I guess you're right - it's a lot better for him to experience a midnight raid and see his relatives pinned to the wall with M-16's, and then sent back to be a propaganda showpiece for Castro.

[Sauron]

Remember how the guy who ordered the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is in prison for the rest of his life?

Remember how Bubba sent two FBI agents to SA to "arrest" Osama? They're probably still laughing about that one at Al Qaeda headquarters. Remember how Bubba did essentially nothing for eight years while Al Qaeda was building its international infrastructure? Remember how Bubba's employee Gorlick established the "wall" between the FBI and CIA that made 9/11 possible? Remember when Bubba sent a bunch of cruise missiles to just bounce the rubble around at an empty al qaeda training camp - probably another howler for the islamofascists?

Actually, I don't remember any of this.

Perhaps we need to start this discussion by you supporting this neocon laundry list.

Ditto the Elian Gonzalez tale.

[alphamale]

Remember how the guy who ordered the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is in prison for the rest of his life?

Remember how Bubba sent two FBI agents to SA to "arrest" Osama? They're probably still laughing about that one at Al Qaeda headquarters. Remember how Bubba did essentially nothing for eight years while Al Qaeda was building its international infrastructure? Remember how Bubba's employee Gorlick established the "wall" between the FBI and CIA that made 9/11 possible? Remember when Bubba sent a bunch of cruise missiles to just bounce the rubble around at an empty al qaeda training camp - probably another howler for the islamofascists?

Actually, I don't remember any of this.



Gosh, I guess you better get your head outta the moveon.org shitbag and start reading the newspapers! :D

[Sauron]

Remember how the guy who ordered the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is in prison for the rest of his life?

Remember how Bubba sent two FBI agents to SA to "arrest" Osama? They're probably still laughing about that one at Al Qaeda headquarters. Remember how Bubba did essentially nothing for eight years while Al Qaeda was building its international infrastructure? Remember how Bubba's employee Gorlick established the "wall" between the FBI and CIA that made 9/11 possible? Remember when Bubba sent a bunch of cruise missiles to just bounce the rubble around at an empty al qaeda training camp - probably another howler for the islamofascists?

Actually, I don't remember any of this.



Gosh, I guess you better get your head outta the moveon.org shitbag and start reading the newspapers! :D

I read more news in a day than most people read in a month.

Do you plan to support this list of wishful thinking, or are insults your way of backing down from a claim?

[alphamale]

Remember how the guy who ordered the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is in prison for the rest of his life?

Remember how Bubba sent two FBI agents to SA to "arrest" Osama? They're probably still laughing about that one at Al Qaeda headquarters. Remember how Bubba did essentially nothing for eight years while Al Qaeda was building its international infrastructure? Remember how Bubba's employee Gorlick established the "wall" between the FBI and CIA that made 9/11 possible? Remember when Bubba sent a bunch of cruise missiles to just bounce the rubble around at an empty al qaeda training camp - probably another howler for the islamofascists?

Actually, I don't remember any of this.



Gosh, I guess you better get your head outta the moveon.org shitbag and start reading the newspapers! :D

I read more news in a day than most people read in a month.

Do you plan to support this list of wishful thinking, or are insults your way of backing down from a claim?

I'm not in the business any more of tutoring clueless appeasers. All this info is readily available from a variety of sources on the net. Why don't you take it as a homework assignment to educate yourself on these events? :D

[Ensign Steve]

I'm not in the business any more of tutoring clueless appeasers. All this info is readily available from a variety of sources on the net. Why don't you take it as a homework assignment to educate yourself on these events? :D

:roflmao:

Apparently alphamale hasn't been introduced to the FF's personal newswire. Alpha, meet Sauron.

Hint: Sauron reads a shitload of news.

[Sauron]

Gosh, I guess you better get your head outta the moveon.org shitbag and start reading the newspapers! :D

I read more news in a day than most people read in a month.

Do you plan to support this list of wishful thinking, or are insults your way of backing down from a claim?

I'm not in the business any more of tutoring clueless appeasers.

No one asked you to tutor me. Rather hard to tutor someone else, when you don't even have sources for what your own beliefs are, ya know.

Anyhow, I was actually offering to school you. But first we have to figure out which specially-marked box of children's cereal you are getting your free political opinions from.

And again: are you using insults as way to throw dust in the air, and hopefully head for an exit? There's a debate here; one you started. Care to finish it?


All this info is readily available from a variety of sources on the net.

Really? Cool! Then it should be child's play for you to find it. Get busy.

Which if you do, make sure it isn't NewsMax, Fox, or some freeper forum recycling bin. I'm only interested in reputable sources; not politics-as-entertainment for inbred right wingers.


Why don't you take it as a homework assignment to educate yourself on these events? :D
Because I'm already current on politics and world affairs. And if you claims were supportable, we wouldn't be having this friendly chat. Instead, you'd be pointing me to your sources.

[Clutch Munny]

Gosh, I guess you better get your head outta the moveon.org shitbag and start reading the newspapers! :D ... I'm not in the business any more of tutoring clueless appeasers. All this info is readily available from a variety of sources on the net. Why don't you take it as a homework assignment to educate yourself on these events? :D

Well, slow down a second.

You started this thread with two claims.

They were both demonstrably false. Indeed, they are both fairly famous recent examples of known falsehoods that had fifteen minutes of fame through sloppy reporting and sheer mendaciousness.

In short, this thread was born with a big boot mark on its ass, courtesy of your ignorance.

So, jeez, whaddya know, maybe there's no good reason for (i) anyone to take your word for any of this stuff, since you seem particularly untalented at reporting truths and (ii) you in particular to yap about anyone else needing to be better informed.

It's not political, either. It's not because you're a conservative. I know lots of conservatives who are well-informed; you're just not one of them, to all appearances.

[alphamale]

Well, slow down a second.

You started this thread with two claims.

They were both demonstrably false.

Uh, no I didn't - both were correct.

So, jeez, whaddya know, maybe there's no good reason for (i) anyone to take your word for any of this stuff, since you seem particularly untalented at reporting truths and (ii) you in particular to yap about anyone else needing to be better informed.

Read this carefully: I don't give a damn if you "take my word" - if you want to remain ignorant, that's fine by me - in fact I prefer it for liberals! :D

[Clutch Munny]

Read this carefully: I don't give a damn if you "take my word"

Of course you do. You're posting known falsehoods without even an attempt at citing sources, but are spewing vitriol when it's pointed out that you haven't a clue. You want your half-remembered Limbaugh regurgitations accepted as true; your desperation to be taken seriously -- by way of outrage, since insight is clearly off the table -- is palpable.

But, since you have yet to make a factually correct claim about recent history on this thread, the only reasonable conclusion is that you are comprehensively full of shit. That's fine, of course. The intellectual fortunes of political conservatism are not in your hands, but in the hands of actual smart people with good faith motivations. By analogy, serious Christian theology is not determined by the glossalic ravings of inbred snake-handlers. I disagree both with the bulk of political conservatism and Christian ideology, as it turns out, but can have substantial conversations with smart, informed and honest defenders of either.

[alphamale]

Read this carefully: I don't give a damn if you "take my word"

Of course you do. You're posting known falsehoods without even an attempt at citing sources, but are spewing vitriol when it's pointed out that you haven't a clue. You want your half-remembered Limbaugh regurgitations accepted as true; your desperation to be taken seriously -- by way of outrage, since insight is clearly off the table -- is palpable.

But, since you have yet to make a factually correct claim about recent history on this thread, the only reasonable conclusion is that you are comprehensively full of shit. That's fine, of course. The intellectual fortunes of political conservatism are not in your hands, but in the hands of actual smart people with good faith motivations. By analogy, serious Christian theology is not determined by the glossalic ravings of inbred snake-handlers. I disagree both with the bulk of political conservatism and Christian ideology, as it turns out, but can have substantial conversations with smart, informed and honest defenders of either.

Blah blah blah ... if you don't like what I post, don't read it! I don't give a damn if you drop dead in the next ten seconds, much less if you like, understand, or can grasp what I write! Buzz off, ya little pest! :D

[Roland98]

Blah blah blah ... if you don't like what I post, don't read it! I don't give a damn if you drop dead in the next ten seconds, much less if you like, understand, or can grasp what I write! Buzz off, ya little pest! :D

Yet another convincing argument from the right...

[alphamale]

Blah blah blah ... if you don't like what I post, don't read it! I don't give a damn if you drop dead in the next ten seconds, much less if you like, understand, or can grasp what I write! Buzz off, ya little pest! :D

Yet another convincing argument from the right...

Yet another uninvited left wingnut pest crawling out of the woodwork ...

[Roland98]

Blah blah blah ... if you don't like what I post, don't read it! I don't give a damn if you drop dead in the next ten seconds, much less if you like, understand, or can grasp what I write! Buzz off, ya little pest! :D

Yet another convincing argument from the right...

Yet another uninvited left wingnut pest crawling out of the woodwork ...

:shrug: You know nothing about me or my politics. I gotta say, I don't understand what the hell your intentions are here. If I were to go over to a creationist website and post a bunch of outright falsehoods or half-truths, get called and corrected on them, and then say that I'm not here to convince anyone anyway and call them all stupid pests and tell them they could drop dead for all I care, I'd be questioning at a minimum the expenditure of my time, and more likely, whether my posting style was doing more to alienate rather than convince those I was trying to find some common ground with. Of course, as you've suggested, maybe we're just all too stupid for you to waste your vast intellect upon, but then I notice that you're still here and still posting uncited allegations that I assume are somehow supposed to reinforce your political stance. But maybe you are here just to troll? Either way, hey, it's your time and energy you're wasting; I just don't get that mindset at all. I think you'll find that most of us here are ready and able to have a discussion about politics, even if we strongly disagree with our opponent, but your tactics are obviously not conducive to that format.

Cheers. :wave:

[D. Scarlatti]

... smart, informed and honest defenders of [political conservatism].

Would that one might appear in this thread.

[Petra]

I'm pretty sure that way back at the birth of this forum Roland98 was among the first to have been invited to join up and participate here anytime she felt like it. So what's this "uninvited" nonsense?

[Petra]

deleted.

might be misunderstood.

[Roland98]

I'm pretty sure that way back at the birth of this forum Roland98 was among the first to have been invited to join up and participate here anytime she felt like it. So what's this "uninvited" nonsense?

Obviously this thread was invitation-only. Mine must've been lost in the mail.

[Dingfod]

Is there a term for half-spam, half-troll?

No, but I'll attempt to invent one -

How about Scarren? Wait, how about Warlatti?Very interesting... but stupid.

[alphamale]

You know nothing about me or my politics. I gotta say, I don't understand what the hell your intentions are here. If I were to go over to a creationist website and post a bunch of outright falsehoods or half-truths, get called and corrected on them, and then say that I'm not here to convince anyone anyway and call them all stupid pests and tell them they could drop dead for all I care, I'd be questioning at a minimum the expenditure of my time, and more likely, whether my posting style was doing more to alienate rather than convince those I was trying to find some common ground with. Of course, as you've suggested, maybe we're just all too stupid for you to waste your vast intellect upon, but then I notice that you're still here and still posting uncited allegations that I assume are somehow supposed to reinforce your political stance. But maybe you are here just to troll? Either way, hey, it's your time and energy you're wasting; I just don't get that mindset at all. I think you'll find that most of us here are ready and able to have a discussion about politics, even if we strongly disagree with our opponent, but your tactics are obviously not conducive to that format.

Another reading-challenged poster? Here we go again. When I post, I decide whether it's worth my time to get in a debate with someone. The more it has the following characteristics, the less likely I will debate:

1. I am not willing to tutor someone when the supporting facts are readily available from a wide number of souces on the net.

2. The facts are well-known, having been given wide currency in the media for a relatively long time.

3. My proposed opponent seems to be blissfully unaware of the whole topic, in which case I will have to tutor him about fundamental aspects, and then he'll argue about those, etc, and it will take me a long time, which I do not desire to spend, bringing him up to speed.

4. He's so stupid that he won't know even when he loses, and I could probably argue HIS side five times better than he could.

I basically use the internet as a forum to publish ideas, something that was not possible before when liberals had a near total lock on the media. But why worry about all this? If you don't like my ideas about this, why, just go elsewhere. Why obsess over it??

[D. Scarlatti]

I basically use the internet as a forum to publish ideas ...

As do other people, in which cases you've little more to commend yourself aside from name calling.

So spare us the fatuous pretense to higher purpose.

[Clutch Munny]

An uninformed net jockey who recycles known falsehoods and substitutes relentless insults for argument. Man, isn't that a breath of fresh air.

At least when you were whining about how you couldn't get laid because French girls are frigid, or wistfully hoping to get a convicted male pedophile alone in a room with you and your buddies -- mmm, homoerotic prison fantasies! -- you were really funny. Could you stick to that?

[Roland98]

Another reading-challenged poster? Here we go again. When I post, I decide whether it's worth my time to get in a debate with someone. The more it has the following characteristics, the less likely I will debate:

1. I am not willing to tutor someone when the supporting facts are readily available from a wide number of souces on the net.

2. The facts are well-known, having been given wide currency in the media for a relatively long time.

Surely you know that a falsehood, repeated a million times, is still a falsehood. Perhaps I'm not the one who needs tutoring?

3. My proposed opponent seems to be blissfully unaware of the whole topic, in which case I will have to tutor him about fundamental aspects, and then he'll argue about those, etc, and it will take me a long time, which I do not desire to spend, bringing him up to speed.

4. He's so stupid that he won't know even when he loses, and I could probably argue HIS side five times better than he could.

So then why bother? Wouldn't it be just as, or more, fruitful to just write it in a word document for yourself, where you didn't have to worry about arguing the other side for the poor stupid lefties?

I basically use the internet as a forum to publish ideas, something that was not possible before when liberals had a near total lock on the media.

That's a good one. :D :rofl:






Oh, you were serious? Yeah, that damn liberal media that reminded us every damn day about Clinton's blow job, but glosses over little details like, oh, y'know, how the whole reason we went to war in Iraq was a big fat lie. Yeah, those left-wing media bastards...

But why worry about all this? If you don't like my ideas about this, why, just go elsewhere. Why obsess over it??

Who's obsessing? I'm simply fascinated by the psychology of it all. You're like my own little guinea pig. :pat: :guinpig:

[D. Scarlatti]

Yeah, that damn liberal media that reminded us every damn day about Clinton's blow job, but glosses over little details like, oh, y'know, how the whole reason we went to war in Iraq was a big fat lie. Yeah, those left-wing media bastards...

Exactly. And who can forget the networks pre-empting their daytime schedules to feature live coverage of the president of the United States being questioned about the intimate details of his sex life by Federalist Society baby lawyers?

Who needs Jocelyn Elders to teach young conservatives how to jerk off when they've got a copy of the Starr Report handy.

[davidm]

1. I am not willing to tutor someone when the supporting facts are readily available from a wide number of souces on the net.

2. The facts are well-known, having been given wide currency in the media for a relatively long time.

But you spread lies, not facts, in your OP. Did you think no one would notice how you conspicuously failed to respond to the following?

Actually, the reports that the White House was "trashed" when the Clintons left turned out to be nasty and totally unfounded rumors that were spread by Clinton detractors. In response to allegations by a request by Rep. Bob Barr (Republican, Georgia), the General Services Administration conducted an investigation and reported on May 17 2001 that there was no evidence of anything unusual having taken place, and that "the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy."

Also, you've been kicked to the curb in your noxious Halloween thread, but I suspect you're not up to snuff enough to notice.

[alphamale]

Actually, the reports that the White House was "trashed" when the Clintons left turned out to be nasty and totally unfounded rumors that were spread by Clinton detractors. In response to allegations by a request by Rep. Bob Barr (Republican, Georgia), the General Services Administration conducted an investigation and reported on May 17 2001 that there was no evidence of anything unusual having taken place, and that "the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy."

Actually, there is proof on the net both are true - let's see if you can find it!

Also, you've been kicked to the curb in your noxious Halloween thread, but I suspect you're not up to snuff enough to notice.

I don't bother with each and every warletti eruption. :D

[Ensign Steve]

I basically use the internet as a forum to publish ideas, something that was not possible before when liberals had a near total lock on the media.

One word. Blog.

[Godless Dave]

Are you saying a boy whose mother died should be raised by strangers instead of returned to his father? It takes a village I guess...

No, I'm saying his relatives here were ready, willing, and able to take him, but I guess you're right - it's a lot better for him to experience a midnight raid and see his relatives pinned to the wall with M-16's, and then sent back to be a propaganda showpiece for Castro.

So custody should have been given to relatives who he had never met instead of to his father? Some family values!

[Godless Dave]

I'm not in the business any more of tutoring clueless appeasers. All this info is readily available from a variety of sources on the net. Why don't you take it as a homework assignment to educate yourself on these events?

Funny, that's exactly what I tell people who say "Whaddya mean Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction? Whaddya mean Bush ignored a report titled 'Al Qaeda determined to attack inside the US'?"

[Godless Dave]

Actually, the reports that the White House was "trashed" when the Clintons left turned out to be nasty and totally unfounded rumors that were spread by Clinton detractors. In response to allegations by a request by Rep. Bob Barr (Republican, Georgia), the General Services Administration conducted an investigation and reported on May 17 2001 that there was no evidence of anything unusual having taken place, and that "the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy."

Actually, there is proof on the net both are true - let's see if you can find it!


So the GSA was lying?

[Clutch Munny]

So the GSA was lying?

Oh, don't even get me started on what a bunch of French-looking liberal pansies the GSA is. You know none of the chicks who work there would look twice at me? I think they're dykes or something.

[Sorry. The sad thing is, I do amuse myself.]