got strap-on?

[Bella]

the new girlfriend wants me to try one on for size. i've never even considered the use of a phallic device before, on myself or anyone else, but i'm always up for something new. the problem is the money: dildos and their respective harnesses seem to be very expensive. does anyone have any suggestions as far as products go, or any tips that should be kept in mind whilst one is shopping?

[Crumb]

Maybe, try an old broomstick handle, a belt and some super glue? :ptht:

This is obviously not my area of expertise ... oh lunachick! :chuckle:

[Legs]

Maybe, try an old broomstick handle, a belt and some super glue? :ptht:



Always the romantic, eh Crumb?

[Crumb]

Just practical.

[xyza]

Have you looked at the online shops, far easier to shop around. Then if you feel brave enough you could always check some shops out and compare prices.
Here you can get them online for £16.99 about $30, depends what you want though.

[Dingfod]

I've never understood lesbians' wanting to use strap-ons. Why on earth would a lesbian want something that looks like part of a man to go inside them? Or are they actually bi? Explain, please, because I don't get it.

[ms_ann_thrope]

It's worth it to buy quality equipment --- a few extra bucks up front will actually save you money in the long run. :yup:

For dildos, silicone is far and away my choice of materials because it is non-porous and can be disinfected. I really like the products made by Tantus. They are available in groovy sparkly colors and are reasonably priced. Vinyl and rubber are porous and end up falling apart over time, so I would save your money and stay away.

I only have experience with single-strap strap-ons, which are like a g-string. I think that a double-strap one might be better for purposes of, ah, stability. There are also ones that strap to your thigh. These probably enable some maneuvers not possible with the traditional harness, but I would feel weird bouncing someone on my knee... like I was a pervy Santa or something.

Um... I have a lot more information if you're interested.

[ms_ann_thrope]

I've never understood lesbians' wanting to use strap-ons. Why on earth would a lesbian want something that looks like part of a man to go inside them? Or are they actually bi? Explain, please, because I don't get it.LOL, penises can feel quite nice and be enjoyed by either gender and any sexual orientation... I think the icky part is what they're attached to: men. :giggle:

If my boyfriend is reading this, just kidding honey!

[Bella]

this is for roleplaying, bdsm, and the like - i'm becoming a very good Mistress, but the new girl wants to take it a little farther. you know, corset and stockings, riding crop, handcuffs - then i open my robe, display my cock, and tell her to get on her knees, followed by a whalloping good fucking. stuff like that.

plus, it leaves the hands free.

ms_ann_thrope, i would be deeply honoured if you would be willing to share your wealth of knowledge with me. the terra firma (http://www.babeland.com/page/TIB/PROD/harnesses-top-picks/RW490181) was recommended to me by, strangely enough, a male friend of mine. what do you think?

[Dingfod]

I've never understood lesbians' wanting to use strap-ons. Why on earth would a lesbian want something that looks like part of a man to go inside them? Or are they actually bi? Explain, please, because I don't get it.LOL, penises can feel quite nice and be enjoyed by either gender and any sexual orientation... I think the icky part is what they're attached to: men. :giggle: I prefer mine attached to a woman, my penis, that is.

[Ensign Steve]

I've never understood lesbians' wanting to use strap-ons. Why on earth would a lesbian want something that looks like part of a man to go inside them? Or are they actually bi? Explain, please, because I don't get it.

Sex is wacky. Here are some educated guesses:

Dildos, which are shaped like phaluses, are perfectly suited to the shape of the inside of a vagina, which lesbians have. I don't think its a coincidence, it's biology.

During sex, women (like men) will sometimes move their hips to and fro, voluntarily or involuntarily. I think that has something to do with evolution.

Moving pelvises around near each other, wrapping legs around each other, are a great sexual experiences, regardless of gender. In this regard, lesbians can bump and grind vulvas, use a double-headed dildo, or strap one on. And probably a million other things I've never heard of.

It doesn't (necessarily) have anything to do with a penis.

[Bella]

Dildos, which are shaped like phaluses, are perfectly suited to the shape of the inside of a vagina, which lesbians have. I don't think its a coincidence, it's biology.Hee. And then you get the science whackos who say, well, if the parts don't fit, then why are you doing it? :cool:

[Dingfod]

Still don't get why it would be a turnon to someone turned on by women and their body parts. I guess I'm just dense. Perhaps I need a first hand demonstration by two or more willing lesbians.

[Ensign Steve]

Still don't get why it would be a turnon to someone turned on by women and their body parts. I guess I'm just dense. Perhaps I need a first hand demonstration by two or more willing lesbians.

Oh, I thought the question was "why strap the dildo on" rather than "why use a dildo at all".

I still don't understand what's not to get, though. Women use their tongues and fingers and what-not to stimulate the sexual organs of the other woman. But tongues and fingers and what not just aren't long enough to stimulate everything. So you buy the right tool for the job. It's still two women using it together. :shrug: Sounds pretty fucking gay to me.

Your question reads to me like: "Why do gay men have sex in the ass? If they wanted to put their penis in a vagina-like hole, doesn't that mean they really want to put it in a vagina? Are they bi or something?"

[Bella]

You're not dense; obviously it's a grey area, otherwise someone'd have posted a concrete answer by now. Either that or you'd have found it on Google in ten seconds.

If I'm to be perfectly honest with myself, I'm attracted to men and women alike. It's completely random (well, not completely, but you get the idea). It's more like I have specific turn-ons. I'm not sure what it is for the girlfriend; I'll have to ask.Sounds pretty fucking gay to me.Christ, what's wrong with me? I'm laughing so hard I almost peed myself and it's not really all that funny.Your question reads to me like: "Why do gay men have sex in the ass? If they wanted to put their penis in a vagina-like hole, doesn't that mean they really want to put it in a vagina? Are they bi or something?"I was having similar thoughts, actually...Perhaps I need a first hand demonstration by two or more willing lesbians.I know it's been explained to me a dozen times over, but I'm still not buying the accepted reason for why guys like watching two girls get it on. 'Oooh, four boobs...' Yeah? Well, gay porno has two dicks and I'm not runnin' out to Blockbuster.

[Sweetie]

Still don't get why it would be a turnon to someone turned on by women and their body parts. I guess I'm just dense. Perhaps I need a first hand demonstration by two or more willing lesbians.

:D

Sneaker. :P

[livius drusus]

Yeah? Well, gay porno has two dicks and I'm not runnin' out to Blockbuster.

Damn. Blockbuster sure has changed a lot since I switched to Netflix.

[Ensign Steve]

I know it's been explained to me a dozen times over, but I'm still not buying the accepted reason for why guys like watching two girls get it on. 'Oooh, four boobs...' Yeah? Well, gay porno has two dicks and I'm not runnin' out to Blockbuster.
Yeah, I do like the gay porn, and I am still at a loss to explain why. Then again, I like a lot weirder stuff than that. :shrug:

Sex is wacky.

[ms_ann_thrope]

ms_ann_thrope, i would be deeply honoured if you would be willing to share your wealth of knowledge with me. the terra firma (http://www.babeland.com/page/TIB/PROD/harnesses-top-picks/RW490181) was recommended to me by, strangely enough, a male friend of mine. what do you think?Oooh, that's one of those double-strappy kinds. Like I said, I've not tried those --- the probablility of me getting embarrassingly tangled up whilst trying to get them on is high, which might kill the mood. :P They probably can be adjusted to fit more precisely than what I have (I had to make some aftermarket modifications to mine), so if you're not worried about being a spaz like me, you might want to check them out. Stormy Leather is a good brand. And any good shop will likely let you try different styles on --- you want to stay away from crappy "dirty old man" sex shops, where they WON'T let you do that, and their selections/quality are crap anyway. :glare: And, you know, they're run by dirty old men.

I would love to find a harness that's actually like a pair of panties. Maybe I'll get all Martha Stewart and craft myself somethin'. :chin:

[Legs]

It's still two women using it together. :shrug: Sounds pretty fucking gay to me.


:lmao:

[Trojan]

Strap ons seem kinda gross to me. Anything that's used for sex, and reused makes me curdle a tad bit. After spotting a buttplug in the bathroom of a friend's place I just can't handle it. Using a device for sex, washing it (with what! Where!) then reusing it is just, well, not my cup of vodka. I recall experimenting with my mother's Christmas candles when I was 14 so I'm not a toy virgin, just not into toys anymore! :wink:

[Ensign Steve]

Using a device for sex, washing it (with what! Where!)

http://www.addspice.com/cgi-bin/select?ItemNumber=EN01010

You don't throw away the penis after you've used it, do you?

[Sweetie]

http://www.addspice.com/cgi-bin/select?ItemNumber=EN01010

You don't throw away the penis after you've used it, do you?

I think penises have a tendency to be self-rejuvinating bacterially as long as they're kept reasonably clean. I don't agree that's the case with your average toy.

As a thought to Trojan, you could put a condom even on a vibrator/strap-on and therefore it would stay cleaner.

I should tell ES about why I don't like asses being shoved in my face and why it's not just dislike or disapproval of body parts. :chin: :D Nah, I'll spare her. :P

[Trojan]

Using a device for sex, washing it (with what! Where!)

http://www.addspice.com/cgi-bin/select?ItemNumber=EN01010

You don't throw away the penis after you've used it, do you?
I LOVE the toy cleaner ad! And your question is reasonable. But I walk around with my sex device, it's attached! You won't find it in the dishwasher :eek: the cabinet or laying next to a washcloth in the tub. It won't be among the possessions I have if I were to pass on, seeing mother collecting my penis from my drawer just wouldn't be an issue! It won't fall out of my pocket and into view at the airport or McDonalds. The song "Detachable Penis" comes to mind! (I've had dreams that it fell off before! Or another one was growing between my thumb and forefinger!!!

[Adora]

Why on earth would a lesbian want something that looks like part of a man to go inside them?
Just because it looks (sometimes vaguely) like part of a man, doesn't make it a man, even though I know this is a fact many male egos have difficulty grasping.

Still don't get why it would be a turnon to someone turned on by women and their body parts.
Why do some straight men enjoy women with strap-ons? Because it feels good, duh. And, as mentioned, why do gay men want to put their dick in "something like a vagina"? A pole is not always a cock and a hole is not always a cunt.

Anyway, as for the OP, strap-ons are fun. Double dildos are a lot of work, though. And soemtimes it can be hard to get the angle right.

[Dingfod]

Okay, okay, I get it: it feels good.

Go ahead, have fun! Enjoy! I'm serious.

As for why men like to look at women getting it on, I don't have any idea, but it can be quite hot. Besides everybody knows what men want: two chicks, man. Fuckin'-A.

[Sweetie]

Still don't get why it would be a turnon to someone turned on by women and their body parts. I guess I'm just dense. Perhaps I need a first hand demonstration by two or more willing lesbians.

I'm sorry Warren, I'm not gay. I can't tell you about all the secrets of a woman, about little secret places and pleasures and gardens and nubs that like to be rubbed slowly and sensuously, then fast and hard with something long and soft and somewhat wide. I couldn't tell ya why a woman might want that even with another woman, I just don't know. :dunno: :innocent:

:P

[Ensign Steve]

As for why men like to look at women getting it on, I don't have any idea, but it can be quite hot. Besides everybody knows what men want: two chicks, man. Fuckin'-A.

:yup: Fuckin'-A

[Trojan]

Why do we never hear of a woman wanting two men? Or a swinging hetero couple looking for an extra guy instead of another girl? "Girls Gone Wild" shows young women performing sex acts together on regular cable, yet no one is condemning homosexuality on the airwaves. Can you imagine "Guys Gone Wild" on regular cable! Men doing the same with eachother!? My God the conthervatives would burst into flames! Just some cultural inconsistincies. Why is it most hetero men think gay men are an abomination and two women sucking on eachother is sexy? Is homosexuality really the issue for them? WWJD?

[ms_ann_thrope]

Why do we never hear of a woman wanting two men? Or a swinging hetero couple looking for an extra guy instead of another girl?Because I keep my lusty thoughts to myself. ;)

Oh, whoops. :blush:

[Trojan]

Why do we never hear of a woman wanting two men? Or a swinging hetero couple looking for an extra guy instead of another girl?Because I keep my lusty thoughts to myself. ;)

Oh, whoops. :blush:
Bad Girl! :luna:

[Ensign Steve]

Why do we never hear of a woman wanting two men? Or a swinging hetero couple looking for an extra guy instead of another girl?

Because you lead a sheltered, sheltered life, Trojan Man. For shame. :sadno:

[Trojan]

Why do we never hear of a woman wanting two men? Or a swinging hetero couple looking for an extra guy instead of another girl?

Because you lead a sheltered, sheltered life, Trojan Man. For shame. :sadno:

I was hoping for an answer like that! All I hear of are cruise bars for couples to seek out females and of course the obsession the media has with female homosexuality. That CAN be a turnon of course, but at the same time condemning men that do the same is annoying. I'll bet the majority of Christian men LOVE watching two Barbies get sexual, but would raise HELL if they saw the same exposure involving men. Girl gay is OK, Guy gay is a SIN!! At least that's how it plays out in conthervative KC!

[Ensign Steve]

All I hear of are cruise bars for couples to seek out females and of course the obsession the media has with female homosexuality. That CAN be a turnon of course, but at the same time condemning men that do the same is annoying.

I couldn't agree more.

[Trojan]

All I hear of are cruise bars for couples to seek out females and of course the obsession the media has with female homosexuality. That CAN be a turnon of course, but at the same time condemning men that do the same is annoying.

I couldn't agree more.
Incidentally there is a "Guys Gone Wild" but it isn't advertised on TV of course and I read it's just drunken college guys flashing the camera. No simulated sex acts like with the female version.

[Anastasia Beaverhausen]

For something simple, I just bought a waterproof slimline.

[seebs]

Why do we never hear of a woman wanting two men? Or a swinging hetero couple looking for an extra guy instead of another girl? "Girls Gone Wild" shows young women performing sex acts together on regular cable, yet no one is condemning homosexuality on the airwaves. Can you imagine "Guys Gone Wild" on regular cable! Men doing the same with eachother!? My God the conthervatives would burst into flames! Just some cultural inconsistincies. Why is it most hetero men think gay men are an abomination and two women sucking on eachother is sexy? Is homosexuality really the issue for them? WWJD?

Many people find opposite-sex people having sex of any sort attractive, and same-sex people having sex unattractive. I know a number of straight females who are big on yaoi.

[Adora]

Why do we never hear of a woman wanting two men?
Because you never ask? HELLO! *waves*

Why is it most hetero men think gay men are an abomination and two women sucking on eachother is sexy?
I'd try to explain it, but considering previous discussions your brain wouldn't handle it.

[Dragar]

I'd try to explain it, but considering previous discussions your brain wouldn't handle it.

I just know I'm going to regret this, but...

I'm be interested in hearing why. My best guess is that when watching porn, you 'put yourself in their shoes', so to speak.

When it's a guy and a girl, you put yourself in the guy's shoes. And that's fun.

Two girls, and you put yourself in both of their shoes. And that's fun too.

Two guys? I wouldn't want to be doing anything they're doing...being in their shoes isn't so nice. So it isn't fun to watch.

Am I close, or are you gonna call me a fuckwit?

[Godless Dave]

You don't throw away the penis after you've used it, do you?

Just the latex covering.

An ex of mind (more a friend w/ benefits) commented to me that she ran out of condoms at home because she used them on her sex toys. I deduced from this that they didn't all go in her vagina. I also deduced that she was hinting at me to ask further questions. I got the hint, but didn't ask.

[Godless Dave]

I was hoping for an answer like that! All I hear of are cruise bars for couples to seek out females and of course the obsession the media has with female homosexuality. That CAN be a turnon of course, but at the same time condemning men that do the same is annoying. I'll bet the majority of Christian men LOVE watching two Barbies get sexual, but would raise HELL if they saw the same exposure involving men. Girl gay is OK, Guy gay is a SIN!! At least that's how it plays out in conthervative KC!

There are several facets to this.

First of all, women are (generally) wired differently than men. There are women who are turned on by gay male sex, I've met them, but they are few and far between compared to men who are turned on by (usually simulated) lesbian sex. And, contrary to popular belief, there are men who are not turned on by (usually simulated) lesbian sex.

Second of all, those good Christian men who are turned on by two girls doing it would probably have a conniption if their own daughter turned out to be a lesbian.

Further, even to a homohater lesbians are less threatening than gay men. The existence of gay men carries with it the potential that a gay man could be attracted to you, checking you out at the bar, peeking over the edge of the urinal, jerking off in the private shower at the locker room while peeking around the curtain at the guys in the public showers (I knew a guy in college who did this), or even raping a man. So while, theologically, they may regard both male and female sexuality as equally sinful, male homosexuality is more threatening.

Or maybe they don't regard them as equally sinful. The Bible doesn't seem to. Hitler sent far more gay men to concentration camps than gay women.

[Carnivale Ed]

Two girls, and you put yourself in both of their shoes. And that's fun too.
I'd rather put myself in the middle. Fuck their shoes.

[Carnivale Ed]

I'd rather put myself in the middle. Fuck their shoes.
And, to beat everyone to the punch, yes, then I'd fuck them :D

[beyelzu]

I know it's been explained to me a dozen times over, but I'm still not buying the accepted reason for why guys like watching two girls get it on. 'Oooh, four boobs...' Yeah? Well, gay porno has two dicks and I'm not runnin' out to Blockbuster.
damn that is funny as hell :lol:

[Wizard]

I love watching Fem Dom porn.I'm straight but it turns me on watching a girl dominate and fuck a guy with a strap on. I'd like to get fucked by a strap on girl someday.

[Wizard]

Lesbain porn really doesnt do much for me. I dont mind watching it but I'd rather see man in there somewhere.

[Godless Dave]

I love watching Fem Dom porn.I'm straight but it turns me on watching a girl dominate and fuck a guy with a strap on. I'd like to get fucked by a strap on girl someday.

The term for that is "pegging". Do you ever read Savage Love (http://citypages.com/databank/26/1300/article13845.asp), Wizard?

[Sweetie]

Two guys? I wouldn't want to be doing anything they're doing...being in their shoes isn't so nice. So it isn't fun to watch.

Am I close, or are you gonna call me a fuckwit?

Personally, I find the idea of a man giving another man oral sex mildly arousing, but in the end, it would have to be so "prettied up" to be thoroughly enjoyable and therefore so unrealistic, it's just "blah." I'm not into anal sex and I personally don't enjoy men being what I call "emasculated" which I think is the ultimate reason why I'm not into yaoi myself. I'm a "you Tarzan, me Jane" kinda girl. Doesn't mean I think it's about women being weak and men being strong, women being the penetrated and the men being the "penetrators" and therefore "dominant", to me it doesn't mean that.

I realized in my late formative years that I had a very possibly dominating personality and I realized that I was interested in men who I perceived were weaker than me in some way. I had been interested in one gay man, for instance, though I did not know he was gay at the time. My husband can come accross sometimes as "gay" and fuck, the way he dressed back then, yikes. I prefered "weaker" until I started dating someone who was "weaker" in some ways and I realized I didn't like it. I taught him to fight back as an example and I worked on building up his self-esteem. We wouldn't have survived without it.

If I were to start all over again, I would date someone as strong as I. So, the thought progression is, I used to like those who I perceived as weaker and therefore I could dominate. I grew up, I don't want to dominate, sometimes I want to be dominated. I don't, in this case, want either extreme all the time therefore I am no longer interested in those I perceive as weaker than me, and therefore do not like really feminine/emotional women, or emasculated men. I'm just attracted to a different range.

[Bella]

Second of all, those good Christian men who are turned on by two girls doing it would probably have a conniption if their own daughter turned out to be a lesbian.I'm prolly asking the wrong group of people this (:D) but does the Bible ever say anything about lesbian sex being wrong? Or is it just the guys and their "unnatural lusts" for one another?

My mother once said, rather offhandedly, that it wasn't just the whole you're-going-to-hell-because-the-Bible-says-so thing that made her so angry, it was the if-you're-gay-then-you're-obviously-just-out-for-sex-for-sex's-sake (i.e. not thinking of settling down and making babies for Jesus) thing, too. Since if you're not trying to procreate, then you're just having sex for pleasure, and how dare we!Further, even to a homohater lesbians are less threatening than gay men.And I've been told that lesbians are easier to cure than gay men because all we girls need is some good dick (which, of course, the speaker is more than willing to provide).

Check out these fine dildos, all from The Smiten Kitten, in my own backyard!
http://www.smittenkittenonline.com/dildos/jackhammer.jpghttp://www.smittenkittenonline.com/dildos/divingnun.jpghttp://www.smittenkittenonline.com/dildos/virginmary.jpg

And speaking of dildos - is longer better, when it comes to this sort of thing? I mean, it's going to be somewhat hard to control, methinks, because of the, uh, lack of nerve endings in the appendage. Would a short dildo be easier to maneouver?

[Sweetie]

Wasn't that on "The Exorcist", a girl fucking herself with a crucifix? Why would anybody want to do that?

Sorry, it's just cultish to me and not just a "thumbing their nose at religion." :shrug: I think it bespeaks "issues."

[Bella]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not really sure. I just thought the damned things were funny!

[Sweetie]

How can someone whine about someone having a "guilt-complex" because they have a sexual moral code based on religion, when they advance to the opposite extreme, ie: have to take their issues all the way to the very extremes of their sexuality, ie: just have another sort of "complex"? :chin:

[ms_ann_thrope]

Check out these fine dildos, all from The Smiten Kitten, in my own backyard!
http://www.smittenkittenonline.com/dildos/jackhammer.jpghttp://www.smittenkittenonline.com/dildos/divingnun.jpghttp://www.smittenkittenonline.com/dildos/virginmary.jpg

And speaking of dildos - is longer better, when it comes to this sort of thing? I mean, it's going to be somewhat hard to control, methinks, because of the, uh, lack of nerve endings in the appendage. Would a short dildo be easier to maneouver?[/COLOR]The Jesus buttplugs crack me up (heh heh, I said "crack").

Longer does not equal better IMO. I think girth and a slight curve are most important: girth because it feels good to be "filled up"; curved for better g-spot stimulation. Nothing fun about something long (real or fake) ramming up against your cervix, ouch! A nice wide, bulbous head is a good feature, too. One of my favorite dildos is about 9" long with about a 5" circumference and has an oversized bulb head and nubbly bits near the base (for clitoral stimulation :lecher: ). Good times, good times.

[Dingfod]

I love watching Fem Dom porn.I'm straight but it turns me on watching a girl dominate and fuck a guy with a strap on. I'd like to get fucked by a strap on girl someday.
Lesbain porn really doesnt do much for me. I dont mind watching it but I'd rather see man in there somewhere.Sounds kind of gay.[/Adam Carolla]

[Johnny Pneumatic]

In this regard, lesbians can bump and grind vulvas, use a double-headed dildo, or strap one on. And probably a million other things I've never heard of.


Is that where it goes inside both women at the same time, or for women that have two vaginas?

[Ensign Steve]

In this regard, lesbians can bump and grind vulvas, use a double-headed dildo, or strap one on. And probably a million other things I've never heard of.


Is that where it goes inside both women at the same time, or for women that have two vaginas?
:laugh: That's a good question. I was referring to the ones that go inside both women at the same time. But there certainly do exist dildos that are designed to be used in the vagina and anus at the same time. :1thumbup:

Wasn't that on "The Exorcist", a girl fucking herself with a crucifix? Why would anybody want to do that?

Sorry, it's just cultish to me and not just a "thumbing their nose at religion." I think it bespeaks "issues."
I think you hit the nine-inch nail right on the head.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

As for why men like to look at women getting it on, I don't have any idea, but it can be quite hot. Besides everybody knows what men want: two chicks, man. Fuckin'-A.

What, all men don't want four women, seven catwomen, a hemaphroditic midget and a double humped camel? :confused:

[Johnny Pneumatic]

But there certainly do exist dildos that are designed to be used in the vagina and anus at the same time. :1thumbup:


Dammit all, women have all the cool stuff! Not that I'd want a double dildo, but something just as cool for straight men. There aren't double vaginas! :kickscan: Dammit, I want two penises, side by side!

[Trojan]

Why do we never hear of a woman wanting two men?
Because you never ask? HELLO! *waves*

Why is it most hetero men think gay men are an abomination and two women sucking on eachother is sexy?
I'd try to explain it, but considering previous discussions your brain wouldn't handle it.
Try me anyway! I'm genuinely curious! See how mature I am not reacting to your insulting remark about my brain?!

[Trojan]

I was hoping for an answer like that! All I hear of are cruise bars for couples to seek out females and of course the obsession the media has with female homosexuality. That CAN be a turnon of course, but at the same time condemning men that do the same is annoying. I'll bet the majority of Christian men LOVE watching two Barbies get sexual, but would raise HELL if they saw the same exposure involving men. Girl gay is OK, Guy gay is a SIN!! At least that's how it plays out in conthervative KC!

There are several facets to this.

First of all, women are (generally) wired differently than men. There are women who are turned on by gay male sex, I've met them, but they are few and far between compared to men who are turned on by (usually simulated) lesbian sex. And, contrary to popular belief, there are men who are not turned on by (usually simulated) lesbian sex.

Second of all, those good Christian men who are turned on by two girls doing it would probably have a conniption if their own daughter turned out to be a lesbian.

Further, even to a homohater lesbians are less threatening than gay men. The existence of gay men carries with it the potential that a gay man could be attracted to you, checking you out at the bar, peeking over the edge of the urinal, jerking off in the private shower at the locker room while peeking around the curtain at the guys in the public showers (I knew a guy in college who did this), or even raping a man. So while, theologically, they may regard both male and female sexuality as equally sinful, male homosexuality is more threatening.

Or maybe they don't regard them as equally sinful. The Bible doesn't seem to. Hitler sent far more gay men to concentration camps than gay women.
It is interesting that straight men are so threatened by gays. I've never heard of a homo raping a straight man. The prison stories are mostly fable, but frustration, isolation and horniness can turn any guy gay if he has an easy mark. As for the shower fears; Imagine being able to freely walk into a college cheerleader shower and look at all the juicy young chicks soaping eachother up anytime you choose! Gay guys can do the same in a men's shower. Unsettling to some but I know alot of guys would secretly like the attention. I'd be flattered if I were oogled!

[erimir]

Wasn't that on "The Exorcist", a girl fucking herself with a crucifix? Why would anybody want to do that?

Sorry, it's just cultish to me and not just a "thumbing their nose at religion." :shrug: I think it bespeaks "issues."
Just because you buy it doesn't mean you use it.

I think it's more of a conversation piece. Hang it on your wall, or leave it on your coffee table. It's sure to generate interesting conversations!

[Adora]

I just know I'm going to regret this, but...
*pats* It's okay Dragar. I don't bite all the time. Also, I'd like to point out that you encounter the same thing with a lot of teenage girls, even if they do have drunken make-out sessions at the behest of their boyfriends.

On a simple no-reaction level, it could just be that the guy isn't interested in it. Of course, this is the kind of guys who don't gross out whenever they see two men holding hands, kissing, etc. You know, who just shrug and go "whatever" and move on.

Excessive heterosexism or homophobia in men or women who have really big reactions of revulsion to just something like two men snogging is basically caused by the threat it poses to their own notions of their heterosexuality. They've been taught that their version of heterosexuality is "normal" and "natural" (which of course, is a contradiction if they have to be taught that it is so, nevermind its very construction) and that anything else can't be a "real" or authenticy sexuality (or sexual identity) because of this. The very existence of homosexuality poses a threat to these concepts they're ignorant or bigoted enough to believe are true, and thus you get homophobia. It's stronger in certain groups of heterosexual men because they're more invested in the contruction of natural heterosexuality (or heteronormativity, if you want to be fancy) than any other group in curernt Western society. Whether it's macho posturing, not being considered feminine in any real way, or keeping yourself in the closet for fear of retribution, that's the reasons why. Many homosexuals who have spent decades in the closet have a common story of being extreme homophobics because of their overcompensation of their desires.

This is why homophobia is most present in groups most invested in being heterosexual. Teenagers (especially boys) trying to fit in and find their identity in society at an emotional time, conservatives with archaic concepts of gender which are closely tied to heteronormativity and their power over social subgroups, sportsmen, etc etc are all groups with this problem.

[Veritas]

For what it's worth, I would quite happily have two guys at once. I have many holes!

And I have been known to indulge in a spot of ladylove too. I am greedy!

[Abdul Alhazred]

Unless there is a dildo fetish, I don't understand this.

What cannot be done with face and hands?

[Carnivale Ed]

Unless there is a dildo fetish, I don't understand this.

What cannot be done with face and hands?
Dude! I've got a face and hands, but it doesn't stop the nice young ladies I squire around town from asking what else I have to offer. They must see some value in the sensation. I imagine lesbians are no different.

CE.

[Adora]

What cannot be done with face and hands?
Abdul likes fisting.

[pescifish]

You don't throw away the penis after you've used it, do you?And since the penis isn't dishwasher safe, you can't even sanitize it either.

[Dingfod]

And, a word of caution: Don't clean it with acetone either, acetone is hell on plastics.

[Sweetie]

Just because you buy it doesn't mean you use it.

I think it's more of a conversation piece. Hang it on your wall, or leave it on your coffee table. It's sure to generate interesting conversations!


Hang it on your wall with the caption:

"For the God-sized hole in all of us."


It's so wrong, it just doesn't stop, it's just got layers! :wtf: I am so going to hell. :kickscan: (bit of an inside joke) Oh, hahaha....inside joke.

:roflmao:

:doh:

[Sweetie]

Just because you buy it doesn't mean you use it.



Eh, to be honest though, I would probably criticize one that looked like Brad Pitt almost as much and mostly for the same reason......."issues."

[rigorist]

Just because you buy it doesn't mean you use it.

I think it's more of a conversation piece. Hang it on your wall, or leave it on your coffee table. It's sure to generate interesting conversations!


Hang it on your wall with the caption:

"For the God-sized hole in all of us."


It's so wrong, it just doesn't stop, it's just got layers! :wtf: I am so going to hell. :kickscan: (bit of an inside joke) Oh, hahaha....inside joke.

:roflmao:

:doh:

You got an agent? :D

[Johnny Pneumatic]

You don't throw away the penis after you've used it, do you?And since the penis isn't dishwasher safe, you can't even sanitize it either.

Well, as far as HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases go, can't one just leave it out in the air for a few hours? HIV can't live outside of an organism for long. I'm not sure about the other killjoy diseases though.

Probably the best, best as in most durable and lowest up-keep, dildos would be made from silicone rubber. The same stuff, silicone rubber, can make moulds for casting low melt metal alloys like pewter or water proof, rot proof etc. oven mitts.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Hang it on your wall with the caption:

"For the God-sized hole in all of us."


It's so wrong, it just doesn't stop, it's just got layers! :wtf: I am so going to hell. :kickscan: (bit of an inside joke) Oh, hahaha....inside joke.

:roflmao:

:doh:


"God-shaped hole" would be even better. You're quite sacreligious for a Christian, Sweetie. Great going! :bow:

[Bella]

I ended up getting this harness (http://www.smittenkittenonline.com/product.php?itemid=566&BC2=2&BC3=5), in dark red (almost black) leather. As for the phallus, I got a non-representational one (http://www.smittenkittenonline.com/dildos/luxury.jpg) in black. I'm just waiting on the girl to finish up with the dishes and then we'll get to it :D.

[seebs]

Okay, Sweetie. You win the "we need to coin a word" prize. Your sense of humor is sacrilicious.

[Crumb]

Happy penetrating! :sex:

[Ensign Steve]

I ended up getting this harness (http://www.smittenkittenonline.com/product.php?itemid=566&BC2=2&BC3=5), in dark red (almost black) leather.

Oh how pretty. The laces up the back are so corset-like. You should get black laces for it.

[ms_ann_thrope]

Curved w/ bulbous head. Good choice. :1thumbup:

[seebs]

Let us know how it works, ideally with pictures!

[livius drusus]

Annie O also features a corsetry inspired back strap and a lone-star badge on the front piece ...

She has to say something about not needing no steenkeen batches at some point. Then you can punish her for it.

[erimir]

Okay, Sweetie. You win the "we need to coin a word" prize. Your sense of humor is sacrilicious.
You ain't coined shit.

Homer Simpson invented "sacrilicious" years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made-up_words_in_The_Simpsons#S

That being in the episode where Homer and Ned become friends because Ned takes him to a football game.

[Bella]

Oh how pretty. The laces up the back are so corset-like. You should get black laces for it.You and I think alike, sweetie; I cut up some black cord I had lying around and that was the first thing I did!

All in all, it was fun - but not something to whip out all the time. More like once a week. There is certainly something illicit about the whole affair and that only adds to the fun :) - now I just need to find a bigger dildo. What can I say. She's greedy.

[JoeP]

I just need to find a bigger dildo.:chin: Add to the quotes page? Or not...

:D for you!

[bobeh]

In response to a post on this thread a while back regarding men "not" having fantasies about 2 men with a woman....

I'm surprised no one else (I reviewed the thread quickly - my apologies if I missed something) mentioned what is one of the most common male fantasies - that is seeing another man fuck your significant other (female)...or having a 2 man/1 woman scenario of some kind.

My unscientific survey/reading of erotica on line suggests that the popularity of male heterosexual fantasies (not to say there may not be some homosexual content in some of these) in approximate order are...

1. Various versions of 1 on 1 heterosexual activity
2. 3-way with 2 women, 1 man (women having sex with each other considered a bonus..)
3. 3-way with 2 men, 1 woman (men having only casual contact if any)
4. Multiple participants roughly equal numbers of men/women,
5. Gang bangs - several men, 1 or few women

Of course number 1 is huge - I am continually amazed at the popularity of incest stuff - on Literotica for example the "most read" stories are incest by far. Personally I think I have significant aversion to this but it is obviously popular.

All of the other stuff does interest me though...greedy I guess, but it will most likely remain in the realm of fantasy for me as my spouse is not into any of it.

And relative to the topic at hand...use of dildoes would be consistent with all and any of the above...

I think the appeal, to hetero men, of women with women is the desire to see women "turned on". Two women turned on by the object of our desires (i.e. a woman) works in some sort of exponential way.

Or, perhaps it speaks to the idea that we, as male heteros, may be insecure about our ability to really turn on a woman, and we know that another woman could likely do it better - so voila...we can watch it happen and hopefully participate (with both) sort of capitalizing on the situation at just the right moment.

[Sweetie]

I'm surprised no one else (I reviewed the thread quickly - my apologies if I missed something) mentioned what is one of the most common male fantasies - that is seeing another man fuck your significant other (female)...

I'm married to one of those men. :oyvey: :P

[Bella]

I think the appeal, to hetero men, of women with women is the desire to see women "turned on". Two women turned on by the object of our desires (i.e. a woman) works in some sort of exponential way. I've never heard this theory brought up; thanks :)Add to the quotes page? Or not...Sure, go ahead! There's something strangely narcissistic about adding your own quote to the quote page, don't you think? Maybe it's just me.