11:11 (the asbestos suit goes on)

[michael1111]

some of you have seen me mention the 11:11 phenomenon. for those that dont know about it, i will fill you in. please dont sloff off the content without realizing that im probably more analytical than you think, which was the basis for the site i built around it...it became a free forum.

there are thousands of people all around the world who have that number show up in their lives in weird ways. usually, its on a clock, but it can be any combination of two 11s or 4 ones. for example, my wifes bday is november 11th. i have had that number appear in my life a strange amount of times. i would see it over and over again, often getting a hunch it would be there before i looked and saw it. if you think this is all just me assigning meaning after the fact and that i probably looked for it, i will actually agree with you. many wouldnt, and even i think its got weird aspects, but i think the phenomenon is not a cabal, aliens, god or anything creepier than ourselves.

thats why i think its wonderful.

the cool thing about it and what makes it a phenomenon is that people mostly 'see it' without realizing anybody else does. other than pointing out some weird occurences to my wife, i felt very alone, but not afraid. it wasnt affecting my life in a negative way at all. i didnt obsess about it...that came later :). it was just my own little quirk. eventually it got weird enough to make me google '11:11' and the rest is history. i found nothing in psych pages, but i found crazy stuff like cults and weird theories all about people 'seeing' 11:11. it was a pretty freaky thing. i felt like richard dreyfuss after mashed potatoes. this story is shared by almost all 'eleveners'.

it was mostly about new age stuff when i found 'it'. that pissed me off. what was incredible, was reading the forums and seeing this vast difference of people coming together under this enigmatic thing. nobody was right or wrong in how they defined it. i saw something in that, something that was being squandered, by being sold under other peoples versions of it. that was religion and i had had enough of that. i just wanted to talk to other people who saw it. i wanted to get to know them. i wanted to hear what they thought, so i started my own forum on msn. soon i found another on yahoo that had been around since 99 (mine was 2003). then i created a real website. it was incredible the amount of topics OTHER THAN 11:11 came up. until then, my msn site and the yahoo site had been moderated to about the degree of this place, which is pretty damn lenient.

i decided to up the ante.

nobody would be banned in a forum nobody could define. i decided to make it a totally free forum and absolve myself of all power. i have never really been tempted to use admin powers because i so believe in what i did. the 11:11 phenomenon was bringing people together from all over. atheists, christians, jews, new agers, agnostics...from the left and right....up and down....everybody was different. it was awesome. and everybody was equal because all had an equal understanding of the reason they were there- 11:11.

and so it grew and so does the phenomenon. theres a horror movie out called '11:11 Hell's Gate' (which i heard is really bad). rufus wainright sings a song called '11:11' and spoke about its meaning to him, on one of my stations shows! kooky uri gellar talks about it. its got bands, businesses, even pamela anderson is said to see it! google 'nicole 11:11' and youll find something close! its a pretty wild and amazing thing. we might all be nuts, but we seem pretty in control of it. i would like it to remain that way. its like some weird disease that can cure ya. hardly anyone of the thousands i have come across has said they would want to stop seeing it. some are very successful, some are not. it doesnt seem to impact anybodys life in a bad way. so if i am crazy, which i very well may be, i am with some awesome crazy company, all gathered together in a great celebration of difference under a banner they all dont understand equally.

and that, to me, is 11:11...

you can blast and flame me all ya want...ive heard it all before. i like being an 'elevener' :P

michael :)

[MooseIBe]

Never heard of the 11.11 thing but I have a weird thing in which the number 99 shows up all the time when I am reading. I never look at page numbers normally but always when I get to page 99 of a book, I happen to glance down, or up, and see the page number. Probably most of you will be dismissive of that and, being an utter rationalist, I tend to be too :). But I promise that it's not the case that I only remember it when it's number 99 and I am actually glancing at the numbers all the time. And this happens pretty much everytime I read a book and always has.

[MooseIBe]

My dad's birthday's 11/11 btw ;)

[viscousmemories]

if you think this is all just me assigning meaning after the fact and that i probably looked for it, i will actually agree with you. many wouldnt, and even i think its got weird aspects, but i think the phenomenon is not a cabal, aliens, god or anything creepier than ourselves.
Sounds reasonable to me. I tend to notice my birthday (10:17) on clocks a lot.

[Waluigi]

Wow.

I read "the asbestos suit goes on" in the thread title and actually thought this was a thread about an ongoing lawsuit involving asbestos.

Turns out I was way off.

[xouper]

I suspect the New Age Community™ will have a field day when the winter solstice of 2012 draws nearer. It will occur at exactly 11:11 UTC on December 21, 2012.

(For those who aren't yet familiar with the significance of that date, google "2012 mayan calendar".)

[Leesifer]

:leadsing: It's the end of the world as we know it ...:notes:

[Crumb]

Hmm michael, you might benefit from reading about confirmation bias (http://skepdic.com/confirmbias.html), communal reinforcement (http://skepdic.com/comreinf.html), and selective thinking (http://skepdic.com/selectiv.html).

Enjoy your elevens regardless. :wave:

[SharonDee]

So that's why you rub me the wrong way, Mike me boy. I loathe the number eleven. Those two ones standing side by side like that ... it's disgusting! I lurve ten and I have no problems with twelve but eleven can suck my dick.

Oddly, I have no problems with twenty-two or thirty-three or forty-four ...

[JoeP]

Hmm michael, you might benefit from reading about confirmation bias, communal reinforcement, and selective thinking.Post proof or retract! No, seriously - do you have any real belief that Mr 11:11 might benefit from reading about those concepts? He might understand them really deeply under the right circumstances :bonghit: ... but benefit?

Those two ones standing side by side like that ... it's disgusting!I wonder what Legs would say about that comment?

[Shake]

So that's why you rub me the wrong way, Mike me boy. I loathe the number eleven. Those two ones standing side by side like that ... it's disgusting! I lurve ten and I have no problems with twelve but eleven can suck my dick.

Oddly, I have no problems with twenty-two or thirty-three or forty-four ...
First, what dick? :P

Second, if eleven — notice I spelled it out for you — bothers you, then just think of it in binary where it equals 3. Or wait, you probably hate binary because there's lots of 1s next to other 1s. Sorry, scratch that.

Finally, people are very adept at noticing patterns, sometimes when there aren't really any there even. But it's like several years ago, the wife mentioned she really liked the Ford Explorer. I was thinking how I hadn't seen many around, but for the next several weeks, it seemed like everywhere I turned, there was another Explorer! I've had the same thing happen with new words I've learned. One day, it's like, "Gee, that's a cool word. I've never heard that before." Within days, I'll have heard it used multiple times.

Sorry, I couldn't help reading that post and thinking, "Yeah, depending on the hours you keep, you could see 11:11 twice a day!" But, you could just as easily see 9:26, too. But now that I've read this thread, I'm sure I'll start seeing elevens pop up more, until I focus on something else.

[michael1111]

well that went better than anticipated. figured id get it out there. thanx for the links crumb. ive seen them before. theres even a psychologist that posts at my site who also 'sees' it. we've talked about many possibilities. the one thing about those conditions you linked to and how i perceive this phenom- i dont 'believe' in it beyond the fact that its happening. theres nothing to 'believe'. it just shows up. the only meaning you can actually assign it, is that its drawing a wide range of people together that might not normally meet. other than that, i have no idea what to believe...my take is to make it something to build on.

for example...11:11 is just a time. its eleven minutes after 11 oclock. however, making it something more is like redefining your world. its like taking back a piece of it from all the things youve been handed already assigned definitions. the cool thing is how many people are doing that. common sense would rule that its because its a pretty synchronicity, all four ones in a row, so its easy to notice and fixate on, but its still weird how many people become eleveners on their own without ever knowing anybody else is one. there is no power of suggestion from anybody but ourselves. its only after the fact that you find others and thats the really cool part.

so it could be ocd. it could be a condition like in those links. the awesome part is that this coming together of difference is refusing to let it be nailed down. its happy at the moment being something different to everybody. the fact that people can come together and all be right on their take has led to some interesting conversations. it promotes tolerance because if you can tell somebody you see 11:11, you can tell them pretty much anything. its an individual truth serum.

michael :)

[michael1111]

and i dont actually see it that much anymore. i still get some weird occurences though. heres an example of what seeing 11:11 means.

when they first started popping up they showed up in strange ways. for example, the number was showing up in receipts ($11.11) and tickets (seat 11, row 11) etc, for about two weeks. everywhere i looked the number seemed to be. even my wife thought it was odd (she doesnt see it, even though her bday is nov 11!).

we had just moved into a big apt in toronto. it had a mailroom where there were about 500 uniform mailboxes, all with the same steel door and lock. i went to get mail one day and noticed that one box had been changed. it had a similar door, but wasnt quite the same and so it stuck out like a sore thumb in a see of sameness. before i looked i knew it would be apt 1111...and it was.

ive had a bunch of odd things like that, as if it were following me. that might be a feeling ive assigned it, but it turned into a good thing. its weird and wonderful and i wouldnt trade it for the world...not even for 12:12! :D

oh...and i dont 'see' it all the time. its rare to get freaky ones like i did when it first started. once i met other people it seemed to die down a bit...but every once in a while ill get a hunch to turn around quickly and there it is...

michael :)

[justaman]

Everyone likes to think they're special.

I fell deeply in love with a Norwegian girl a few years back. Suddenly every single foreign country mentioned appeared to be 'Norway'. It was on TV documentaries, it was in THGTHG, it was the nationalities of people on the news. I certainly wasn't hearing "Ethiopia" or "Iceland" being mentioned with the same frequency. I wasn't imagining it, I really was hearing Norwegian references far more often than might be otherwise assumed.

But did that mean it was special? Nope. Sometimes improbable things happen. Sometimes you'll go through a phase where you hear a specific word more than might be normal and very, very occasionally you might have happened to experience some personal significance in relation to that word. That generates a unique kind of significance which you are personally attuned to.

The fact that you personally, Michael, have probably encountered an amazingly frequent incidence of brown M&Ms, and have repeatedly opened DVD covers with the DVD perfectly rotated 90 degrees from being upright doesn't make these occurances special either. But you didn't notice these astoundingly improbable events, and you place no significance in them. You've noticed the 1111 thing and think it's significant. T'isn't, really. :)

[michael1111]

actually...i dont think im special. you are applying your own measure to me. maybe thats how youd feel and youd actually have company- there are lots of 11ers who feel 'chosen', but then there are lots of people who dont see 11:11 that feel that way too. you are right that people want to feel special.

im actually the opposite. im promoting it as a thing that celebrates difference. nobody is chosen, but rather they are choosing. i probably do look for it and admit that if i went to a shrink about it, they would probably tell me i was mildly ocd or something along those lines. does that sound like a person who feels chosen, except maybe in a negative way?

nope, im choosing. im choosing what to do with my 11:11. lots of others are too. i chose to capitalize on what it does and turned it into an action. i wasnt chosen to do that, i chose to do that. there is no definition except many individual ones. if we were chosen, it would be nice to know what we were chosen for. if i was chosen for seeing 11:11, just to see it, the universe is a lot crazier than i ever imagined!

however, i do think the 11:11 thing is significant to me. it might not be to you, but you dont see it. thats ok with me. i dont feel better than you...just different and thats kind of the point. thats all any of us really have in common :)

and in the end, its not seeing 11:11 that is special, but the person whose eyes its seen through :)

michael :)

[michael1111]

oops...i thought you said i was special, but you said 'it'. sorry for the misunderstanding. i did address that, but ill leave the rest up in case anybody thinks that. there are lots of people who think they are chosen because of this. part of the reason i started my site, besides talking to lots of unique people, was to get away from that kind of thinking. yuck!

anyhow...thanx for listening :)

michael :)

[justaman]

Personally I think people's specialness could be simply described as how they interact with one another and I'm not sure why 4 numbers need to have two-steps-of-African-Dance to do with it, but hey, whatever motivates you.

[freemonkey]

OK, I'm a little confused, michael. Is this a thread about 11:11 actually being special? More special than the repeated things others might notice, or about the same? Is it about something somehow mystical (which I don't think so, since you seem to show some disdain for new age stuff)? Or is it about coincidence and how we respond to seemingly serendipitous events?

[KandyKane]

Hmmm, mystical 11:11 :fortune: ...Can't say I have experienced this, but the number 69 seems to be popping up in my life a lot lately...Especially, with the guys I have been dating recently... :suggest:

Anything that gets people together, and talking outside the box, is a good thing...
It appears it's kept open to intepetation...No rules or answers behind it..
So why not?...Sometimes we need to make life magical to make magic! :magic:

[justaman]

KandyKane will you marry me? No, really.

[michael1111]

Personally I think people's specialness could be simply described as how they interact with one another and I'm not sure why 4 numbers need to have two-steps-of-African-Dance to do with it, but hey, whatever motivates you.

it doesnt have to have anything to do with it, it just happens to.

michael :)

[michael1111]

OK, I'm a little confused, michael. Is this a thread about 11:11 actually being special? More special than the repeated things others might notice, or about the same? Is it about something somehow mystical (which I don't think so, since you seem to show some disdain for new age stuff)? Or is it about coincidence and how we respond to seemingly serendipitous events?

its about 11:11 as a thing on its own, though some will argue thats not true. to each their own.

its a lot of things to a lot of people. i admitted already that i find it weird and i suppose anything is possible in an infinite universe (my leap of faith), but i think its just people taking a piece of the reality they are given ready-made and turning it into something that is completely different and unique to them. the phenomenon is that a great deal of people are doing that with that particular number. however, there are many theories and some of them are rather interesting. there are some things about new age that i dont mind, especially its talk of oneness, but its really religion that pretends its not. i can find good lessons in christ without being christian. im not really anything, but thats not to say im right. maybe the new agers and their theories will turn out true?

anyhow, a bit jumbled, but there ya have it...

michael :)

[justaman]

Statistically, there would be a few people in the population who would encounter 1111 far more frequently than others just like there would be a few people in the population who would encounter 2415 far more than others.

I'm sorry to ride you, but I find it a little bit rich for you to suggest that your personal experience of coincidence is remotely noteworthy. I don't understand why you care enough to broadcast your expereinces, and I certainly don't understand why you would think others would care enough to listen.

That said, you apparently have an entire forum of people dedicated to idolizing coincidence, so mayhap justaman will just stay here. :ffshiny:

[slimshady2357]

Second, if eleven — notice I spelled it out for you — bothers you, then just think of it in binary where it equals 3.

:D

I think I know what you meant (that in binary eleven is three 1's), but it still made me laugh.

[Sock Puppet]

You're both correct:

11 base 2 = 3 base 10
11 base 10 = 111 base 2

So 11 can be 3 and 3 ones! It's so phenomenally significant that I think I'll start a website about it.

Seriously, Michael, I sort of get why this "phenomenon" stands out for you. I just don't get why it's so fascinating to you. You say it's not to feel special, but it does seem like it helps you feel part of something. That's jake with me, but I just have to wonder why you couldn't find something with a bit more (creative, useful, or even monetary) potential to feel part of. Better than joining a dangerous cult, I suppose.

[slimshady2357]

You're both correct:

11 base 2 = 3 base 10


Oops, D'uh, that's probably what he meant. :blush:

[Shake]

Yeah, what Sock Puppet said. I meant the former.

Upon further consideration, michael may be on to something. Everytime he posts I see those numbers! :P

[michael1111]

you can stay here if you want, justaman, im not here recruiting for that site. i would like it if you popped by gonzo gospels and said whats on your mind...no 11s there. well...a few people from the 11:11 site post there, but not too many...

why is it fascinating, sock? well maybe im just a bit more artistic than you. you see...i thought i was alone. i would see the number pop up all over the place. i thought this was just happening to me. i told my wife about it, but it was basically just a weird little glitch that was happening and not affecting my life in a negative way. it was just a odd 'thing' that i thought was happening to me alone.

it eventually started popping up so often, i decided to google ''11:11'', to see if i could find something about it on a psych site. well, i didnt find anything there, but i did find out that i was not alone. this was happening to a lot of people and they were hooking up on line. almost all of those thousands and thousands of people had the same story- started to see it alone, not knowing of any phenomenon, just that the number popped up often. thought it was a personal glitch. eventually it grows to the point where you want to look something up and whammo- youre not alone. thats a pretty amazing story.

in the past, i may have had to go to the shrink with a simple question as to why. next thing you know, i would have been labelled this or that, prescribed some zombie med and been sent on my way. or i could have just forgotten about it (people do) and went on with living without it, no hard done. the cool thing is that its brought all these people together asking the same questions. all have assigned it meaning on their own, so everybody sees it differently. that promotes a celebration of difference and encourages tolerance...at least it does when its given a free forum to exist on.

there are people who think they are chosen or special, but shit- christians even think that. you might think we are a bit odd or feel sorry for us, but im doing ok. its been a lot of fun. ive been able to meet a whole bunch of people under this enigmatic banner. we are all on equal footing. there are successful people that see it. there are not so successful people that see it. it seems to happen to a wide variety of people.

ask me what i think its means and i cant tell ya. ask me what it does and ill just point to this cool gathering that is inspired by the individual, maintained by the individual and promotes the truths of the individual, while gathered together as a group. tell me how often that happens? :?

anyhow...to me its like art that does good things...but who am i, but a crazy guy who sees 11:11 :D

michael :)

[michael1111]

Yeah, what Sock Puppet said. I meant the former.

Upon further consideration, michael may be on to something. Everytime he posts I see those numbers! :P

all part of the plan...muahahahaha! :muahaha: http://www.11-11.streamlinetrial.co.uk/phpbb2/images/smiles/11icon1.gif :muahaha:

[michael1111]

btw...i say its art because its almost like an individual interpretation of whats all around us. some people see it as 11 minutes after 11...others see it as something much bigger. as long as its not hurting anyone, i dont ever think theres a prob...as i said- im quite happy with it :)

michael :)

[Sock Puppet]

But still a bit defensive about it. :pat:

[michael1111]

how am i defensive? im just being firm in what im saying. if i was really being defensive, especially in a place like this, i jsut wouldnt have said anytihng. im honestly not...i love talking about it! :D

michael :)

[xouper]

Sock Puppet: You're both correct:

11 base 2 = 3 base 10
11 base 10 = 111 base 2

So 11 can be 3 and 3 ones! It's so phenomenally significant that I think I'll start a website about it.
I really hate to do this, but

11 base 10 = 1011 base 2
111 base 2 = 7 base 10



I'm still watching to see if my digital clock ever shows 7:77. Now that would impress me.

Just for grins, I tried entering 7:77 on the microwave oven, and it simply counted down 7:77, 7:76, 7:75, ... until 8 minutes and 17 seconds had elapsed.

[michael1111]

hell, that would impress me too! :D

michael :)

[Sock Puppet]

how am i defensive? im just being firm in what im saying. if i was really being defensive, especially in a place like this, i jsut wouldnt have said anytihng. im honestly not...i love talking about it! :D
I questioned the merit of your pet interest, and you responded with this:

why is it fascinating, sock? well maybe im just a bit more artistic than you.
I interpret this as defensiveness, of the oneupmanship variety. Of course, I doubt you and I use definitions of "artistic" that are at all reconcilable. I admit that my interpretation of your comments is colored by the three rapid posts you made here (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5757) to protest what you considered a mischaracterization. Your first post (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148804&postcount=3) was mere clarification, followed by two more posts (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148804&postcount=4) with increasing hostility (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148804&postcount=5). It's as if you were posting one side of a flamewar without realizing you weren't being flamed back.

Besides, your subtitle to this thread was defensive from the onset. You strike me as being far more insecure than you realize, and the more you protest to the contrary, the more palpable it becomes.

[Sock Puppet]

I really hate to do this, but

11 base 10 = 1011 base 2
111 base 2 = 7 base 10

:doh: [repeats to self] First column, to the ZERO power. Second to the first. Third to the second. FOURTH to the third.

Thanks.

:doh:

[michael1111]

well, ok, i knew saying that would cause trouble...maybe im just differently artistic to you. i see something abstract in whats just a time and i turn it into something different. i guess it wasnt really defensiveness, so much as it was a reaction to a tone i felt from you. so maybe it was all just a misunderstanding. youre picasso :)

btw, the third post was a joke. and the second one i was actually trying to explain the art comment cuz i knew id get called on it. so not defensive there. the original tone you may have felt is true, but it wasnt defensiveness, just irritation over a tone i picked up from you. the nets like that, ya know?

michael :)

[Sock Puppet]

No, you were probably right about my tone. I have been condescending toward you. You have brought it upon yourself with the posts you've made since landing here, and I'm not just talking about this thread.

I'm not Picasso. I just have little patience when people try to justify their vague notions by waving their hands and claiming to be "artistic." To me, being artistic means you create some form of art. Some of your "duhhh" essays (which also contributed to my perception of you as excessively defensive) were creative, but I just don't see the 11:11 thing as being the slightest bit artistic. It seems more like Hesse's definition of mysticism: a pseudo-creative outlet for those who have never found an artistic medium that suits them.

[xouper]

Sock Puppet: [repeats to self] First column, to the ZERO power. Second to the first. Third to the second. FOURTH to the third.I consider it nmore like a spelling error, than an error in concept, and I hesitated to say anything because, well, it's not polite to comment on other people's spellign, especially on a message bored where evyrone makes typos.

OK, time for one of my favorite bumper stickers:

There are 10 kinds of people in the world,
those who understand binary numbers,
and those who don't.

[michael1111]

well, sock, i did try to make ammends and wrote an apology where i admitted to coming in here like an ass. if you still wish to hold on to your anger, what can i do?

i dont care how you see 11:11 and im not getting all that put out by your opinion. believe what you want...which is kind of the point?

take care,

michael :)

[Sock Puppet]

I'm not angry at all, scout. Just offering criticism, in my arrogant, curmudgeonly manner. You might call it unsolicited, but many of your posts seem to beg for it. And yes, I read your apology; I was merely pointing out that it's not just your entrance that may be coloring perceptions of you.

[michael1111]

ohhh, so you just dont like me then? well this should be fun :)

im glad my posts move you to something, even if it feels like movement... :D

michael :)_

[Sock Puppet]

ohhh, so you just dont like me then?
:dunno: I don't dislike you particularly.

im glad my posts move you to something, even if it feels like movement... :D
It could be worse. Your attention whoring could capture Adora's interest, e.g. :wink:

[Dingfod]

Re: the OP:

1. This is just like when I bought a char-gold colored Jeep Grand Cherokee. I never knew there were so many of them out there. I guess I never noticed them until I had one myself.

2. Repeat phenomenon for every vehicle I've ever owned.

3. Same for numbers of significance.

4. Now lets talk about my ability to make streetlights go out.

[justaman]

There are 10 kinds of people in the world,
those who understand binary numbers,
and those who don't.
:laughdie:

That's the nerdiest thing ever and I LOVE that I get it!!

[justaman]

4. Now lets talk about my ability to make streetlights go out.
Oooooh man don't even get me started!!

[michael1111]

lol...i dont think some people quite see it the way ive tried my best to explain. i am sitting before you, fully admitting that myself and everybody else involved is probably looking for it. obviously this makes some of you uncomfortable. anyhow, since some of you seem to be assigning it more meaning than even i am, you might want to know that i have no idea what seeing 11:11 all the time means, but i am aware it originates inside me. i just know what its doing.

what is cool, for the gazillionth time, is that it draws people together who originally thought they were alone with some customized twitch, only to find there are many more who all think its different. that coming together fosters a really cool tolerance, born under our shared unknowing of what the heck is going on. its sorta like life, but scaled down and fresher...

i just think there is something liberating about gathering under an enigma that encourages you to tell you own truth in the face of many different ones. its a pretty cool thing. and im not being defensive, but i do sense that some of you are trying to convince me that seeing, or being a person that sees 11:11 doesnt make me chosen or it special, when ive already said that. who are you trying to convince here?

even on the 11:11 forum, when some folks start posting chosen rhetoric, i pipe up and claim its bullshit, that it all comes from within each of us. some might think its a bad thing that needs treated, but the phenomenon is that it can be whatever you want it to be. i made mine about free speech. some people put it in their business names. some write songs about it. whatever, its yours to do with as you please. thats the beauty and art of it. thats why i like to talk about it.

anyhow, maybe my spidey senses are off, but thats how it feels. some folks have said that im probably looking for it, agreeing with me and wish me luck with it. thats cool. i dont expect you to 'believe' in it, its just a cool story. theres no need to mock me or feel the need to make me see it means nothing. i see that it means nothing to you. thats ok. it means something to me, but not quite how you seem to think. who ya trying to convince? ;)

peace and 11:11 to y'all :D

michael :)

[freemonkey]

Just offering criticism, in my arrogant, curmudgeonly manner.

Curmudgeonly? Yes. Arrogant? Never! :glomp2:

[Sock Puppet]

Awww. Hop on, freemonkey! We'll go have gelatto. :pigback:

Mikey, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm not shitting on your parade out of malice, either. I'm just prodding and poking your concept to see what's underneath it, and I don't know why that troubles you.

You act like you're being flamed mercilessly. Maybe that asbestos suit is just chafing you. You might want to check out some older threads to see better examples of flaming. Or you could forego us rank amateurs here and check out the "People That Love" forum at Consumption Junction (http://consumptionjunction.com). (WARNING: NOT WORK SAFE - Porn & other nasty stuff there)

[michael1111]

i love consumption junction! :D

and dude, compared to the trolls we've had at my sites...i know what flaming is. ive read some here and its pretty mild. im not competing, but ive come across some violent and horrible people doing my thing...

and ok, youre not trying to convince me. i wasnt just talking to you, but a couple of ya. it seems that way, but i will take your word for it. i keep telling you im not troubled by any of this, just making sure you understand where it is im coming from.

anyhow...been hitting consumption junction for years. i love all the madness. i love watching people :D

michael :)

[JoeP]

but the number 69 seems to be popping up in my life a lot lately...Especially, with the guys I have been dating recently... :suggest: KandyKane will you marry me? No, really.
Do you know what you're saying here, justy? Marriage? Let me put it this way...
Why does a new bride smile as she walks up the aisle?
"No more blow jobs!"