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Beth
10-03-2004, 07:03 AM
I was reading the latest SciAm (http://www.sciam.com) today. In it, there was an article on controlling hurricanes. (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=000593AE-704B-1151-B57F83414B7F0000) I found it utterly fascinating and it is a rather relevant subject to those of us live in parts of the U.S. that are subject to the storms.

Every year huge rotating storms packing winds greater than 74 miles per hour sweep across tropical seas and onto shorelines--often devastating large swaths of territory. When these roiling tempests--called hurricanes in the Atlantic and the eastern Pacific oceans, typhoons in the western Pacific and cyclones in the Indian Ocean--strike heavily populated areas, they can kill thousands and cause billions of dollars of property damage. And nothing, absolutely nothing, stands in their way.

But must these fearful forces of nature be forever beyond our control? My research colleagues and I think not. Our team is investigating how we might learn to nudge hurricanes onto more benign paths or otherwise defuse them. Although this bold goal probably lies decades in the future, we think our results show that it is not too early to study the possibilities.

To even consider controlling hurricanes, researchers will need to be able to predict a storm's course extremely accurately, to identify the physical changes (such as alterations in air temperature) that would influence its behavior, and to find ways to effect those changes. This work is in its infancy, but successful computer simulations of hurricanes carried out during the past few years suggest that modification could one day be feasible. What is more, it turns out the very thing that makes forecasting any weather difficult--the atmosphere's extreme sensitivity to small stimuli--may well be the key to achieving the control we seek. Our first attempt at influencing the course of a simulated hurricane by making minor changes to the storm's initial state, for example, proved remarkably successful, and the subsequent results have continued to look favorable, tooIt seems awesome to me what we may be capable of. I once saw the sciences as the doom of us the would rush in the tribulation, but now I can see that the human mind is so truly beautiful and capable of preserving the human race.

I can only speculate what marvels my great grandchildren will once day see come to fruitation.

Dingfod
10-03-2004, 07:52 PM
I remember once reading about the possibility of using nuclear weapons to distrupt hurricanes. That would be like swatting flies with a sledgehammer, it might work, but it would be rather damaging in the process.

viscousmemories
10-03-2004, 09:37 PM
Interesting topic, Beth. I had no idea any serious work was being done in that area. I also didn't know that hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones are all the same phenomenon in different locations.

Ronin
10-04-2004, 05:43 AM
MSNBC did a story on this topic here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5988890).

My own pet theory is to send out a tac-team to find that pesky butterfly and smursh the little darlin' just in time.

viscousmemories
10-04-2004, 06:52 AM
MSNBC did a story on this topic here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5988890).

It figures those wackos in the government would rain scorn on perfectly sound ideas like coating the ocean with olive oil or blowing the hurricane up with nukes in favor of this mystical clap-trap:

...enforcing building codes, educating the public about preparedness and helping poorer nations prepare for the storms.

beyelzu
10-04-2004, 07:22 AM
MSNBC did a story on this topic here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5988890).

My own pet theory is to send out a tac-team to find that pesky butterfly and smursh the little darlin' just in time.


its people like you that are going to keep the fucking dinosaurs in the goddamn park.


bastard. :D

Dingfod
10-04-2004, 08:22 AM
Coat the ocean with olive oil? We've been trying for decades to coat the ocean with crude oil, but that hasn't worked... yet. That would take a lot of olives.

MSNBC did a story on this topic here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5988890).

It figures those wackos in the government would rain scorn on perfectly sound ideas like coating the ocean with olive oil or blowing the hurricane up with nukes in favor of this mystical clap-trap:

...enforcing building codes, educating the public about preparedness and helping poorer nations prepare for the storms.Yeah, that would be stupid.

Beth
10-04-2004, 03:12 PM
I think the whole point in this is to try to master the storms, rather than to simply snuff them out. I really believ that in time we will be able to lessen or divert the storms. I saw how Charley, which was on a direct course with Tampa Bay, suddenly shifted and hit Punta Gorta. It blew me away at how sudden these things can turn, it also showed me how succeptable to the surrounding environment they are. I am glad, however that the idea of nuking a storm has been scoffed at, the fallout would pose a signifigantly higher risk than the storm itself, IMO.

JoeP
10-07-2004, 04:17 PM
I think the whole point in this is to try to master the storms, rather than to simply snuff them out. I really believ that in time we will be able to lessen or divert the storms. I saw how Charley, which was on a direct course with Tampa Bay, suddenly shifted and hit Punta Gorta. It blew me away at how sudden these things can turn, it also showed me how succeptable to the surrounding environment they are. I am glad, however that the idea of nuking a storm has been scoffed at, the fallout would pose a signifigantly higher risk than the storm itself, IMO.
Hmm, I think you're onto it here. They don't want to snuff out the storms, they want to redirect them ... onto Fidel ... or Columbian drug lords ... or Hugo Chavez ... I bet someone in the joint staffs has a project to direct tropical Atlantic storms to Iran or North Korea. :mock:

Weapons of Massive Deluge! :muahaha:

Beth
10-07-2004, 11:13 PM
I think the whole point in this is to try to master the storms, rather than to simply snuff them out. I really believ that in time we will be able to lessen or divert the storms. I saw how Charley, which was on a direct course with Tampa Bay, suddenly shifted and hit Punta Gorta. It blew me away at how sudden these things can turn, it also showed me how succeptable to the surrounding environment they are. I am glad, however that the idea of nuking a storm has been scoffed at, the fallout would pose a signifigantly higher risk than the storm itself, IMO.
Hmm, I think you're onto it here. They don't want to snuff out the storms, they want to redirect them ... onto Fidel ... or Columbian drug lords ... or Hugo Chavez ... I bet someone in the joint staffs has a project to direct tropical Atlantic storms to Iran or North Korea. :mock:

Weapons of Massive Deluge! :muahaha:Hehe. You are funny, Joe. Could be true...but I think the main goal is to lessen the impact the storms have on all mankind. Certain invironmental factors can reduce the strength of a storm, thus destroying less of the ecosystem and less property.

The storms are destroying underwater coral reefs and nesting site for sea turtle that nest on the beaches of Florida. These are two damaging things that could cause imapact on things. The sea turtle population is estimated to decline because of this, though it may be years before we see the full impact.