Happy Birthday, livius!

[viscousmemories]

:djparty: :banana: :linedance: :caramba: :spew: :lindance: :carrot: :bday3: :party: :prezzie: :torte: :pepper: :oneyear: :cucumber: :birthday: :club: :saloon: :hotmoves: :bonghit: :club:

[Ex-zombie]

Happy Birthday, Liv!!


:lift:

[D. Scarlatti]

lol@the OP

Compleanno felice (Buon compleanno?), Bella.

[Petra]

:djparty: :banana: :linedance: :caramba: :spew: :lindance: :carrot: :bday3: :party: :prezzie: :torte: :pepper: :oneyear: :cucumber: :birthday: :club: :saloon: :hotmoves: :bonghit: :club:


I second that! Happy, happy birthday, livius!


Par-tay! Wa-hay! :drumroll: :headbang:

[Farren]

Have a fabulous brithday, Liv!

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/party/party.gif

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/party/hb2.gif

[Ymir's blood]

Happy Birthday!

Ten Random Smilies!

:balloon: :mousecheese: :bikeover: :snore: :crockett: :fight: :qbye: :dramaq: :menorah: :goingdown:

[LadyXoc]

Have a good one!!

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/party/hb2.gifhttp://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/party/partysmiley.gif

[HelenM]

Happy Birthday! :)

Helen

[livius drusus]

vm, two clubs and a dj party? I'm 32 not 22. Still, maybe the bong will get me through.

Here's a random bit of liviana for you, Ex-zombie: I really, really love balloons. Love them.

Buon compleanno it is, Scarlatti caro.

Shit, luna, now you've gone and added the drumroll and headbanging. By the end of the day I'm going to look like the guy saying "Bye" in Ymir's post.

Thank you, Farren. Is it the bonghits talking, or is that cake blinking?

Wow, Ymir's blood, you must have put your back into it because there isn't a flag among them. I call that classy.

Thank you kindly, LadyXoc. Especially for confirming that the cake is definitely blinking.

I'll do my utmost, Helen.

Grazie a tutti. :grouphug:

[Godless Dave]

Happy birthday to my favorite slut!

[copiae]

:djparty: :banana: :linedance: :caramba: :spew: :lindance: :carrot: :bday3: :party: :prezzie: :torte: :pepper: :oneyear: :cucumber: :birthday: :club: :saloon: :hotmoves: :bonghit: :club:

You have no idea how odd that looks to someone who has disabled smilies... :)

Anyway, happy b'day livius!

I did a quick search on the 'net for a birthday smiley with balloons in it, and came up with this:

http://www.smileycollector.com/images/porcupine.gif

[Beth]

Happy Birthday, Liv!

I hope that you have a blast today.

[Goliath]

Happy birthday, liv!!

:birthday:

I was going to hide naked in the cake and jump out to surprise everyone, but....well.... :torte: the cake is a bit too small. :D

They grow up so fast, don't they? :happycry:

:P

[Roland98]

Happy birthday to my favorite grammar nazi! :)

[Scotty]

Happy Birthday Livius Drusus of the Temple Prostitutes, the Great Shadow Stallion welcomes you to another spinning of the disc of life.

"Oh she of the polished hooves so pink and buffed"
"Rein in your fear of the unknown for you will see the light"
"ablaze in the reflection of the ever slighty red hued."
"Torture not yourself with the sins of the past"
"live on in spendor and grace touching those around you"
"in the glow of your affable and captivating smile."
"Know that love as well as hate may be both your enemy and friend"
"but you will never know until you test the waters"
"Dive deep, live life, love now."

P.S.
The Shadow Stallion would like to remind you that you missed the last "Running of the Nude Prostitutes Marathon", and the following party at the Shadow Temple, he was very disappointed and ate a whole table of Harry and David Moose Munch to the chagrin of all the next day. He knows you were busy with the new forum, but he would appreciate a call.


-Scott

[LadyShea]

Happy Birthday, you!

[Ronin]

Happiest of days to you, liv.

:cincin:

All that and a bag of chips (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=899&NEXTID=0&PREVID=338&DISPLAYORDER=20030901000059&CAT=games&NSFW=)

:slick:

[Godless Dave]

PS this bud's for you!

http://www.1stmarijuanagrowerspage.com/marijuana-pictures-6-small.jpg

[wei yau]

Happy Birthday!

For the person who has helped to make me feel welcome at this forum, I feel that this quote is appropriate:

"One of the signs of passing youth is the birth of a sense of fellowship with other human beings as we take our place among them." - Virginia Woolf

[beyelzu]

as per usual I seem to arrive late to the party,


happy fucking birthday, liv.


:)

[freemonkey]

Yay! Happy birthday, liv!!!!! :abook: :woohoo: :hug: :balloons: :dance:

[lisarea]

:djparty: :banana: :linedance: :caramba: :spew: :lindance: :carrot: :bday3: :party: :prezzie: :torte: :pepper: :oneyear: :cucumber: :birthday: :club: :saloon: :hotmoves: :bonghit: :club:


I second that! Happy, happy birthday, livius!


Par-tay! Wa-hay! :drumroll: :headbang:

Happy birthday
Hope you're birthday is a good 1 liuvis!!1!
.


:torte: <-- The secret ingrediant is silantro!!1!

[Ronin]

OMFG!!

Lisarea...it's Cilantro!!!

RUN for your lives everyone!!!!

[Blake]

Happy Birthday, sweetie. :)

http://keptar.demasz.hu/arthp/art/s/steen/m_party.jpg

[godfry n. glad]

So... You've completed yet another circuit 'round the sun;
Today's a day to stop and have some fun,
But just a note when all is said and done,
It's time to ask, "Aren't you glad you're not a nun?"

:woohoo:

godfry

And :wishes: on 32 completed circuits....

[Lauri D]

Grrrr.... late to the party and missed the dj and clubs and everything!

In any case, liv, I hope you HAD a birthday that was wonderful in every imaginable way! :headspin:

[viscousmemories]

You're not that late, Lauri. I just got the party started a little early. It's still her birthday as we speak. :)

[Ymir's blood]

Wow, Ymir's blood, you must have put your back into it because there isn't a flag among them. I call that classy.
It's all in the reflexes. :kissfrog: :wizard:

So what d'ya get?

:prezzie:

[pescifish]

Happy Birthday, luscious livius!

[Kamen]

Happy birthday! What are you doing for yourself on this day?

[AspenMama]

Happy Day! May it be filled with what you most you desire and little you detest!

[Ronin]

Happy birthday! What are you doing for yourself on this day?

I can hazard a guess...but can't seem to find a smilie for such debauchery anywhere.

:grumpy:

[godfry n. glad]

Happy birthday! What are you doing for yourself on this day?

I can hazard a guess...but can't seem to find a smilie for such debauchery anywhere.

:grumpy:

Um...Is that because she's been baucherizing all year? Is there such a thing as "bauchery"?

godfry

[Ronin]

I am just ever so whelmed with such an inquiry.

:wink:

[godfry n. glad]

Well..."debauchery" sure sounds like a corrective for "bauching" something. Doesn't it? :wink:

[Kamen]

I can hazard a guess...but can't seem to find a smilie for such debauchery anywhere.

:grumpy:


I admit her requests for a tub of whipped cream, 3 artichokes, a parrot, 7 white rabbits and 2 one legged strippers gave me some pause, but I am sure there are plenty of innocent explanations.

[Goliath]

I can hazard a guess...but can't seem to find a smilie for such debauchery anywhere.

:grumpy:


I admit her requests for a tub of whipped cream, 3 artichokes, a parrot, 7 white rabbits and 2 one legged strippers gave me some pause, but I am sure there are plenty of innocent explanations.

Don't forget the gerbils. And twine.

Oh, and the peanut butter, too.

:P

[Kamen]

Don't forget the gerbils. And twine.

Oh, and the peanut butter, too.

:P

Peanut butter?? What kind of monster is she?? :egad:

[Goliath]

Peanut butter?? What kind of monster is she?? :egad:

I dunno...creamy or chunky?

:runaway:

[Beth]

This birthday is getting curiouser and curiouser...:popcorn2:

[Shake]

:bday3: :balloons: :wishes: :linedance: :saloon: :caramba:

[Dingfod]

The very best people are born on October 8th. Happy Birthday, livius.

I'm 49. I know it's impolite to ask a woman's age, so I won't. Have a good one.

[Beth]

She said she was 32.

[seebs]

Yay! Happy birthday!

[Dingfod]

She said she was 32.Missed it by that much. [/Maxwell Smart]

That's what I get for replying to a thread without reading it.

[wade-w]

Happy Birthday, livius!

I'm not witty or funny like many of the others around here, so I can't come up with an appropriately witty comment for the occasion. I will say that one of my few regrets in leaving Atlanta behind is that I never got to meet you in person.

Here's to many happy returns!

[Ronin]

That's Okay, wade-w.

Self-deprecation is right up there with jocularity at this hoot-nanny.

:djparty:

[wildernesse]

Wade, on first read, I thought you said "I never got to meet you in prison" :jail:

Hope you have (and have had) a lovely birthday, livius.

[JoeP]

Paaarty! :waterskii:

HB liv!

Does anyone feel slightly cheap giving liv her own smilies?

[beyelzu]

Wade, on first read, I thought you said "I never got to meet you in prison" :jail:

Hope you have (and have had) a lovely birthday, livius.

and on that not :D ,

livius, I hope you get that early realease this year even if you did finally run out of appeals.

[Brimshack]

HAEPY BURTHDEI TWO MAI FAIVOARITE SPLELLYNG KNOTSIE.


(Only 32 eh? I love younger women.)

[Ymir's blood]

Paaarty! :waterskii:

HB liv!

Does anyone feel slightly cheap giving liv her own smilies?
Surely that is better than making her get the smilies herself! ;)

[livius drusus]

Ladies and gentlemen, I scored big this lovely crisp October day. I got a star-shaped helium balloon from my co-workers, had a great dinner with Blake, got to yell at the TV until my lymph nodes lodged a noise complaint, assloads of DVDs, this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002RUPGK/qid=1097290997/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_2_1/104-0468532-8150307) amazing Lenny Bruce collection, and the Best. Vacuum. Ever. (http://www.dyson.com/range/feature_frame.asp?model=DC14-ANIMAL) Ever. It's purple. I love, love, love it. Love it.

All of this, and a lovely birthday thread too. Oh sure, there's no shortage of jerks and pervs up in here, but as I told the one-legged strippers while I trimmed the ultrakind and prepped the artichokes, the right judge will give you parole nomatter how many people you had to beat for raping the English language.

Thank you vm for my first present of the day and thanks to all y'all for making it such a great one. :bow:

[Goliath]

Paaarty! :waterskii:

HB liv!

Does anyone feel slightly cheap giving liv her own smilies?

lolllol..i ahtought that was "pastrry!!'"

er, "pasrrry"

awfuck itt.

[Goliath]

HAEPY BURTHDEI TWO MAI FAIVOARITE SPLELLYNG KNOTSIE.


(Only 32 eh? I love younger women.)

YAYAYAY1!PSEPELLING RULESSL!! A

AWFUCK GOT COKAND A JACK EABM ON MHS HRITFUCK

[squian]

Happy Birthday liv!

[Brimshack]

HAEPY BURTHDEI TWO MAI FAIVOARITE SPLELLYNG KNOTSIE.


(Only 32 eh? I love younger women.)

YAYAYAY1!PSEPELLING RULESSL!! A

AWFUCK GOT COKAND A JACK EABM ON MHS HRITFUCK

Yah, butt eye splell laik thcs soabre.

Moarz thuh pidie.

Aye wundre iff eye haev anie jakh...

[Goliath]

HAEPY BURTHDEI TWO MAI FAIVOARITE SPLELLYNG KNOTSIE.


(Only 32 eh? I love younger women.)

YAYAYAY1!PSEPELLING RULESSL!! A

AWFUCK GOT COKAND A JACK EABM ON MHS HRITFUCK

Yah, butt eye splell laik thcs soabre.

Moarz thuh pidie.

Aye wundre iff eye haev anie jakh...

Not realylyt no...the rutrh is that ic oudl speell better if ip used by bayckspace key, bugt i'm still so fuckin gbuxzzed that i'm toofucking lazyh...

and ueyah, i've got some jack left....want soem? i haeeve t go get to tehhkietchen to getiti though..it'son the stove.

[Goliath]

fuck sippilled somewater..fuck..

ohwakell...its wsater..it's'dry out right>

[Goliath]

hey, cina't een do that well on j20 wile drink....no fair!!

and on fairl trhat you quotied me without explaining htaim drunk!!!

[nvexio]

happeh birthday livvy poo :D

[Ensign Steve]

I'm sorry I am late but on my today it is only 21 minutes after the 8th. I love you liv and I hope your birthday is forever.

Everything is spelled right. :)

[Leesifer]

Sorry I'm late! Happy Birthday Livius. :torte:

[Scotty]

I wonder what Goliath did to the search engines now? Happy after birthday imagination, Liv.

;)

-Scott

[livius drusus]

Thank you squian, nvexio, Ensign Steve, and Leesifer. Tardy greetings are great 'cause they extend the birthday goodness. :)

I'm trying to stop from curling up in fetal, Scotty. Y'ain't helping.
/me whimpers

[nvexio]

i <3 you livvy poo :}

[xorbie]

Sorry I missed all of this... but I'm glad to hear your day went well. :)

[maddog]

Hi, livius! :birthday: I always liked the part in Alice in Wonderland where she's talking to Humpty Dumpty. He says "unbirthdays" are better than birthdays b/c you have so many more of them. He also says you should whip those words into shape and show 'em who's boss. I combined the two; I whip my birthdays into shape and have as many of 'em as I want, over and over again. That way, birthdays are "best" again, 'cause the party's never over!

:linedance: (and over :bday3: and over :party: and over :torte: and over

(See? It's GOOD to get belated birthday greetings. Yup, uh huh, GOOD. Yup. :yup: ) :D
#36

[Dingfod]

My parents always celebrated unbirthdays for all the other children on one child's birthday, singing "Happy unbirthday to you... [etc.]" Each child with an unbirthday got to blow out one candle.

[Socratoad]

O miDog, I am late for this great event. All the very best Iivius.

I would have added smilies suitable for the occasion but I have been way more than a little thick lately, and so must take some time to acquaint eees Royal Toadship to this superb board.

[godfry n. glad]

and the Best. Vacuum. Ever. (http://www.dyson.com/range/feature_frame.asp?model=DC14-ANIMAL) Ever. It's purple. I love, love, love it. Love it.



Wow.... That's gotta suck. Big time.

godfry

[livius drusus]

Thank you for the good vibes xorbie, and nvexio, you know I'm old enough to be your mother, so if anyone should be babytalkin' it's me. maddog, thank you for making me such a lovely birthday card. Socratoad, that spelling of my handle is downright diabolical. Take all the time you need exploring the cave of smilie wonders.

godfry, I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to actually be able to say "this present SUCKS!" as loudly and vigorously as I want to and have it be a compliment.

:cloud9:

[pescifish]

That dyson animal is mine and my coworker/friend's current lust item. Let me know if it really does suck, ok?! I'm deadly on vacuums, so I have high hopes for that one. (Are the animal and other attachments easy to use?)

[Adam]

Happy Birthday from my late ass, liv. SOunds like you had a good day. Maybe I should check in more regularly, so as not to miss the parties, eh?

Oh, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks a vacuum is a great present. I felt about a million years old the year my mother asked me for gift ideas and the only thing I could think of that I was really lusting after was a new vacuum...

[Dingfod]

Happy Birthday from my late ass, liv.Your dead donkey wishes a birthday greeting upon livius? How does that work?[/jerk]

[livius drusus]

That dyson animal is mine and my coworker/friend's current lust item. Let me know if it really does suck, ok?! I'm deadly on vacuums, so I have high hopes for that one. (Are the animal and other attachments easy to use?)

I have only a partial report thus far, but at this point, it's sucks so hard I can hardly believe it. The furballs and cakes of dust it slurped our of the living room carpet were just astounding. It seriously looked like an ant farm in that canister. (Without the ants, that is. Of course. :shifty: ) Oh, and have I mentioned the one-finger trigger release for spooge emptying?

:vapours:

[livius drusus]

Happy Birthday from my late ass, liv. SOunds like you had a good day. Maybe I should check in more regularly, so as not to miss the parties, eh?

Yeah, ya think? If not for me, then think of poor Ymir's blood (nee Pitshade). He's been pining away for you quite shamelessly (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11288&postcount=5).

Oh, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks a vacuum is a great present. I felt about a million years old the year my mother asked me for gift ideas and the only thing I could think of that I was really lusting after was a new vacuum...

I don't how they got such a bad gift reputation. They're the archetype of the uncaring husband present, but that's so wrong, man. There are just so many shitty vacuums out there and the good ones cost seriously coin. I'm always reticent to spend that kind of money on any appliance nomatter how desperately I might need it; that's why they make such awesomely fantastic presents.

:vacuum:

[pescifish]

Oh, and have I mentioned the one-finger trigger release for spooge emptying?
Uh oh... Doesn't that simply translate to "A year from now, when you are 99% done with that final run through before the fancy dinner party, the spooge bucket explodes over the deep pile as the vacuum bumped over the tiniest of carpet seams."?
There are just so many shitty vacuums out there and the good ones cost seriously coin. I'm always reticent to spend that kind of money on any appliance nomatter how desperately I might need it;
Trust me, I spend like a fiend on the serious coin ones (well, ok, not the $2000 vacuums, but the $500 ones, yeah) and they have all pretty much broken my heart. That's why the dyson story is so compelling...

Oooh, this reminds me of a Short Shameful confession. :dogrun:

[livius drusus]

Oh, and have I mentioned the one-finger trigger release for spooge emptying?
Uh oh... Doesn't that simply translate to "A year from now, when you are 99% done with that final run through before the fancy dinner party, the spooge bucket explodes over the deep pile as the vacuum bumped over the tiniest of carpet seams."?

He he... No ma'am. It has a trap door kinda thingy which can't drop unless the canister has been removed. As long as you avoid taking out the canister and pulling a Buster Keaton or two over that deep pile, you'll be in the clear.

Trust me, I spend like a fiend on the serious coin ones (well, ok, not the $2000 vacuums, but the $500 ones, yeah) and they have all pretty much broken my heart. That's why the dyson story is so compelling...

That, um, sucks. I think the most I've spent has been a couple of hundred and I was massively bitter over that much waste. Ah, but none of them have harnessed the power of a hundred suns or whatever the hell is going on in there which keeps the spooge miles away from the filters.

It's a new day, pesci. :coolsun:

[Corwin]

Happy bday liv! :)

[livius drusus]

Holy crap! It's Corwin! Get over to the intro thread (or start your own) and tell me all what's been going on with you. :wave:

[godfry n. glad]

I'm always reticent to spend that kind of money on any appliance nomatter how desperately I might need it; that's why they make such awesomely fantastic presents.


Ahem..."reticent to spend"?

Don't you mean "reluctant", rather than "reticent"?

godfry

[Ensign Steve]

"reluctant" is the third definition of "reticent" -- they are synonymous.

[Blake]

That dyson animal is mine and my coworker/friend's current lust item. Let me know if it really does suck, ok?! I'm deadly on vacuums, so I have high hopes for that one. (Are the animal and other attachments easy to use?)
Hi pesci--further update: It sucks like hell. I vacuumed the bedroom last night, which I had recently steamcleaned, and all kinds of stuff still came up out of the pile.

The attachments are easy to use, in the sense that they're easy to attach. However, at the moment, it's a little difficult to use them because the hose is really tight (I guess because it's new), and thus as one tries to bend it through 180 degrees down to the floor it kind of tries to come back up. It's a bit easier if you tilt the main unit over a bit so that the hose doesn't have to bend quite as far, but then you're somewhat encumbered with dragging around the main unit at the same time as you're moving the hose and attachment around. So using the crevice attachment wasn't pure ease, but I reckon using the pet hair attachment for what it's meant for (say, cleaning out dog hair from a car) would be easier, because then the main unit would be lower down than the surfaces one would be cleaning, and again the hose wouldn't have to bend through as large an angle.

I think the power of the suction more than makes up for the slight difficulty in using the hose with attachments at present. After going over the same area two or three times, there was a semi-restored new carpet smell. I was amazed.

[Cool Hand]

Oh man, do I feel like the guy who shows up to the party a week late. Well, I'm at least several days late. Enough already. Happy Birthday, Liv! Hell, you're just a kid. I hope it was better than great.

Now, show us your tits!

OK, now I'm kinda pissed, because although I generally dislike smilies and try to avoid using them as much as possible, I needed to put one there so as not to draw too much fire, but the stupid things just weren't showing up. I haven't changed any of my settings, so I don't know what's up with that. Oh well, insert appropriate smilie here ___________ (hey, if you're offended because you put in a bird flipping smilie, you've only yourself to blame--you chose it, fuckface). Oh yeah. Happy B'day again. Stupid smilies.

Cool Hand

[godfry n. glad]

"reluctant" is the third definition of "reticent" -- they are synonymous.

Not in my dictionary, it's not.

Recticent refers to the quality of being unwilling to speak, or being closed mouthed or quiet.

Ergo, being reluctant to speak is to be reticent. But one can be reticent without being reluctant.

However, I'm not quite sure how one is reticent to spend. Does that mean you just don't talk about it?

godfry

[Ian Beardsley]

Italian is taken up, so I will use spanish: Feliz cumpleanos!!!

[Ronin]

Recticent refers to the quality of being unwilling to speak, or being closed mouthed or quiet.

"Recticent" refers to the quality of being unwilling to talk shit.

As in:

"I am, most often, very reluctant to be recticent."

[Dingfod]

"reluctant" is the third definition of "reticent" -- they are synonymous.

Not in my dictionary, it's not.Then your dictionary is deficient.

reticent (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reticent)

1. Inclined to keep one's thoughts, feelings, and personal affairs to oneself. See Synonyms at silent.
2. Restrained or reserved in style.
3. Reluctant; unwilling.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

[pescifish]

Hi pesci--further update: It sucks like hell. I vacuumed the bedroom last night, which I had recently steamcleaned, and all kinds of stuff still came up out of the pile.
...
I think the power of the suction more than makes up for the slight difficulty in using the hose with attachments at present. After going over the same area two or three times, there was a semi-restored new carpet smell. I was amazed.
The hose stuff you describe seems to be inherent with uprights, so I think I'd overlook it too. I may need to stop at Target one of these days and get me one of those babies. Costco sells one of the models, but it's not the Animal -- that attachment seems worth the upgrade. Not to mention the way cool purple!

Now I get to benefit from livius' birthday! Thanks for the update, Blake, I think I'm sold!

p.s. I would like to state, for the record, that my interest in vacuums is not because I do a lot of cleaning. It's because I do it so rarely. Since I tend to vacuum only when someone is coming over or during strange alien spore invasions, it is doubly frustrating that my vacuums have a tendency to break down mid-house. Plus, I just added a new dog to the fur and feather gang and two dogs seem to produce more than one+one dogs worth of hair (granted, it is that time of the year).

[godfry n. glad]

"reluctant" is the third definition of "reticent" -- they are synonymous.

Not in my dictionary, it's not.Then your dictionary is deficient.

reticent (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reticent)

1. Inclined to keep one's thoughts, feelings, and personal affairs to oneself. See Synonyms at silent.
2. Restrained or reserved in style.
3. Reluctant; unwilling.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Well, damn... I guess I'll have to throw out all thirteen volumes of the Oxford English Dictionary, as well as the Random House Unabridged Webster's Dictionary and the Webster's New World Dictionary....Not a single one shows that as an acceptable definition.

I suspect that the American Heritage lexicographers have added it because so many American speakers misuse the term....ergo, they have amended the definition to include that widely used by ignorant and misinformed speakers of English (read: Americans watching too much TV with bad writing).

Sorry.

Carry on mangling the language as you will...

godfry

[Dingfod]

Language evolves. Accept it. If it didn't the word would be reticere, Latin for to be silent.

No bling-bling for the godfry.

[pescifish]

Carry on mangling the language as you will... :eek: :faint:

It's her birthday, that's so cold, dude!

[livius drusus]

Damn, Cool Hand, I can't believe you were going to use a smilie. You like me; you really like me! I'm picturing something worshipful or maybe just plain happy. My birthday was indeed great.

I am concerned that they didn't work for you. Were you using the normal reply field with the smilies on the right, or was it quick reply or the WYSIWYG editor?

[livius drusus]

Carry on mangling the language as you will...

Well, I have to say that one's a first for me.

they have amended the definition to include that widely used by ignorant and misinformed speakers of English (read: Americans watching too much TV with bad writing).

That one too.

[beyelzu]

Language evolves. Accept it. If it didn't the word would be reticere, Latin for to be silent.

No bling-bling for the godfry.if one dictionary includes the definition

and another doesnt cant we then assume that such use is not widespread and thus not standard english yet.

secondly, arent dictionary definitions listed in order of use, ie the first definiton is the most common usage of the word and the last one the least common usage of the word, just curious.

and just to muddy the waters, I use the word reticent like livius did as a synonym for reluctant most of the time.

[lisarea]

Well, damn... I guess I'll have to throw out all thirteen volumes of the Oxford English Dictionary, as well as the Random House Unabridged Webster's Dictionary and the Webster's New World Dictionary....Not a single one shows that as an acceptable definition.

There's a term for this I don't remember--when the definition of a word is broadened or expanded due to misuse or pervasive, uh, shit, another term I don't remember, but used loosely. (Can you tell I gots a big headache today? I think part of my brain fell out.)

Anyways, it's when the meaning of a word becomes less specific over time through common usage.

Which I am against, except in this case, because I didn't know that reticence referred to speech. Which it does, but I didn't know that before I looked it up just now. And if I didn't know it, it probably means it's not important. Right?

Anyway, it's appropriate for a descriptive dictionary to include a widely used definition, and it's up to the editors to decide whether they call it an 'acceptable' use or not.


Carry on mangling the language as you will...

Hey. I reticent that remark!

Nice job, liv, dragging your damned birthday thread out to all fucking eternity! We probably won't even have to resurrect it next year.

[beyelzu]

to decide whether they call it an 'acceptable' use or not.


Nice job, liv, dragging your damned birthday thread out to all fucking eternity! We probably won't even have to resurrect it next year.

this reminds me of shannukah. My friend shannon celebrated her birthday for about 2 weeks including a birthday dinner with her mom, a party at her house, two tattoo sittings, dinner at outback with friends, etc...

we even made a song for it based on the tune of santa claus is coming to town, but I cant recall the words just now.

[Dingfod]

Merriam-Webster dictionary reticent definition #3 is reluctant

Wordsmyth.net synonyms for reticent include hesitant and reluctant.

On second thought, I supposed I should've been reticent to post. It does show that more than one dictionary agrees about another meaning for reticent.

[wade-w]

Am I the only person who finds that an argument over word usage in liv's birthday thread is somehow strangely appropriate?

Godfry, what editions are those dictionaries you cited? Are they at least as recent as the one warrenly quoted from?

I think liv chose the perfect word in her description, since for me reticent carries an image of a miser carefully rationing his words. Thus "reticent to spend that kind of money," to me, is a slightly stronger statement of Scrooge-like tendencies than "reluctant to spend that kind of money."

[Cool Hand]

Damn, Cool Hand, I can't believe you were going to use a smilie. You like me; you really like me! I'm picturing something worshipful or maybe just plain happy. My birthday was indeed great.

I am concerned that they didn't work for you. Were you using the normal reply field with the smilies on the right, or was it quick reply or the WYSIWYG editor?

Heh. Now all you have to do is win an Oscar.

I'm glad to hear it was great. That's good. OK, it's great. Really.

I'm using Mozilla and the normal reply key with the smilies on the right. They get inserted as text somewhere near the top, seemingly in a random spot. I was trying to insert the "big grin" and "fuming" smilies. Even if they are working, my *reluctance* to use them in general will probably obviate the apparent problem for me for a year or so. I will try again on or about your birthday next year. Cool? I thought so.

Cool Hand

[viscousmemories]

I'm using Mozilla and the normal reply key with the smilies on the right. They get inserted as text somewhere near the top, seemingly in a random spot.
It's possible that you still have the old smilie-insertion javascript cached. Next time you are in the reply window, hit ctrl-F5 to clear the cache, and it should from then on insert the smilies wherever your cursor is. :yup:

[godfry n. glad]

Am I the only person who finds that an argument over word usage in liv's birthday thread is somehow strangely appropriate?

Nope... I'd think that it would be an appropriate gift.

Godfry, what editions are those dictionaries you cited? Are they at least as recent as the one warrenly quoted from?

Editions, well...how about year of copyright? The Random House and the Webster's New World are 1997. The Oxford is 1933, printed in 1961...but I double-checked online and they still do not list "reluctant" as an associated meaning. Neither does the Cambridge Dictionary, nor the Cambridge Dictionary of the American Language.

Interestingly, msnEncarta gives this:

ret·i·cent [ réttiss’nt ]

adjective

reserved: unwilling to communicate very much, talk a lot, or reveal all the facts
rather reticent on the subject of her finances




ret·i·cent·ly adverb


Word Usage

Extended senses:


In its traditional sense, reticent means reluctant to speak. Thus it is more nearly a synonym for silent than it is for reluctant: He was never reticent about wanting the job. It is, however, increasingly seen in contexts in which it conveys other kinds of reluctance: He was reticent to travel so much. Many regard this as a misuse, and in fact such usages tend to convey nothing that reluctant would not convey better.

I think liv chose the perfect word in her description, since for me reticent carries an image of a miser carefully rationing his words. Thus "reticent to spend that kind of money," to me, is a slightly stronger statement of Scrooge-like tendencies than "reluctant to spend that kind of money."

Hey... If it works for you, then go with it. I read about this misusage in Atlantic Magazine's "Word Court". They grumbled that American misusage of "reticent" had in very recent times degraded it's meaning, as many Americans misuse it as a synonym for "reluctant".

I agree.

I also think that language changes...and thus agree with Warn about such. However, this is not coming up with new usages that illuminate, but sheer laziness and ignorance in using a word that sounds right, but isn't.

godfry

[livius drusus]

Heh. Now all you have to do is win an Oscar.

Thanks to the magic of smilies, I can. :oscarwin:

I will try again on or about your birthday next year. Cool? I thought so.

I'm down like a clown, friend. Oh, btw, you do know we have a disable smilies option in the user cp, right? A click of the mouse and you would be liberated from any graphic representation of words between colons.

[wade-w]

I think liv chose the perfect word in her description, since for me reticent carries an image of a miser carefully rationing his words. Thus "reticent to spend that kind of money," to me, is a slightly stronger statement of Scrooge-like tendencies than "reluctant to spend that kind of money."

Hey... If it works for you, then go with it. I read about this misusage in Atlantic Magazine's "Word Court". They grumbled that American misusage of "reticent" had in very recent times degraded it's meaning, as many Americans misuse it as a synonym for "reluctant".

I agree.

I also think that language changes...and thus agree with Warn about such. However, this is not coming up with new usages that illuminate, but sheer laziness and ignorance in using a word that sounds right, but isn't.

godfry

I'd agree with this assessment more often than not. Far more often, in fact. However, consider liv's incredibly broad and deep command of English usage, and her oft stated proclivity to agonize over word choice in her posts. I have to assume she chose "reticent" over "reluctant" here deliberately and with full knowledge of the issues involved. IMO that makes all the difference in the world.

[livius drusus]

/me smiles
Thank you, wade. Very much.

[Dingfod]

Hey... If it works for you, then go with it. I read about this misusage in Atlantic Magazine's "Word Court". They grumbled that American misusage of "reticent" had in very recent times degraded it's meaning, as many Americans misuse it as a synonym for "reluctant".

I agree.

I also think that language changes...and thus agree with Warn about such. However, this is not coming up with new usages that illuminate, but sheer laziness and ignorance in using a word that sounds right, but isn't.

godfryHow recent is "recent"? I've been aware of this usage of reticent for probably about 30 or so years.

Bling-bling, OTOH, was just added last year or so.

[godfry n. glad]

Hey... If it works for you, then go with it. I read about this misusage in Atlantic Magazine's "Word Court". They grumbled that American misusage of "reticent" had in very recent times degraded it's meaning, as many Americans misuse it as a synonym for "reluctant".

I agree.

I also think that language changes...and thus agree with Warn about such. However, this is not coming up with new usages that illuminate, but sheer laziness and ignorance in using a word that sounds right, but isn't.

godfryHow recent is "recent"? I've been aware of this usage of reticent for probably about 30 or so years.

Bling-bling, OTOH, was just added last year or so.

So... What you're telling me is that you've heard the term misused for about 30 years? Somehow, I'm not surprised.

And the stupid-ass ignorant word "irregardless" has been used since the 1920s...and it's listed in American Heritage.

"If fifty million people believe a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing." - Anatole France.

I guess some lexicographers have discerning standards, others do not....does your dictionary with "bling-bling" have "fuckinay" in it? I think more people still use that term than use "bling-bling", so it should be there, right?

godfry

[godfry n. glad]

I'd agree with this assessment more often than not. Far more often, in fact. However, consider liv's incredibly broad and deep command of English usage, and her oft stated proclivity to agonize over word choice in her posts. I have to assume she chose "reticent" over "reluctant" here deliberately and with full knowledge of the issues involved. IMO that makes all the difference in the world.

Hmm... Yet, liv has repeatedly informed me that she is mortal, despite my ponderings as to other possibilities. As such, I'd guess that she's also fallible....as in "can make mistakes"...even with words. I think she was so exuberantly excited about her new vacuum cleaner that she wasn't careful about her word selection and allowed her language to degrade to the level of "unconsidered babble" in her joy.

Considering this is a very common mistake made by American speakers of the English language, I'd bet she even thought it to be appropriate. I did until last year...when I was corrected.

I'd just say that if she is to be reticent about purchasing anything, she'd best not post it up on an online bulletin board for all to see.

godfry

[Dingfod]

If fifty million people were to say a word has a certain meaning, it becomes the dialectic norm, does it not?

[godfry n. glad]

If fifty million people were to say a word has a certain meaning, it becomes the dialectic norm, does it not?

I guess then that "liberal" means "misguided shithead". Fifty million is less than a quarter of the U.S. population....

George Orwell would be proud.

If you insist, use it that way. But I'll not.

godfry

[wade-w]

I guess some lexicographers have discerning standards, others do not....does your dictionary with "bling-bling" have "fuckinay" in it? I think more people still use that term than use "bling-bling", so it should be there, right?

godfry

Whatever you or I may think of "bling-bling" as a word, I saw an article not too long ago that reported it was to be included in the next edition of the OED.

[godfry n. glad]

I guess some lexicographers have discerning standards, others do not....does your dictionary with "bling-bling" have "fuckinay" in it? I think more people still use that term than use "bling-bling", so it should be there, right?

godfry

Whatever you or I may think of "bling-bling" as a word, I saw an article not too long ago that reported it was to be included in the next edition of the OED.

Unlike the usage of "reticent" we've been squabbling about.

godfry

[wade-w]

I'd agree with this assessment more often than not. Far more often, in fact. However, consider liv's incredibly broad and deep command of English usage, and her oft stated proclivity to agonize over word choice in her posts. I have to assume she chose "reticent" over "reluctant" here deliberately and with full knowledge of the issues involved. IMO that makes all the difference in the world.

Hmm... Yet, liv has repeatedly informed me that she is mortal, despite my ponderings as to other possibilities. As such, I'd guess that she's also fallible....as in "can make mistakes"...even with words. I think she was so exuberantly excited about her new vacuum cleaner that she wasn't careful about her word selection and allowed her language to degrade to the level of "unconsidered babble" in her joy.

Considering this is a very common mistake made by American speakers of the English language, I'd bet she even thought it to be appropriate. I did until last year...when I was corrected.

I'd just say that if she is to be reticent about purchasing anything, she'd best not post it up on an online bulletin board for all to see.

godfry

Possibly. I prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt in such cases. IMO, using reticent created a nuance that would have been much weaker had liv said reluctant instead. I sometimes deliberately abuse standard English usage. A post I made here just this afternoon included sentence fragments. Be assured that I knew exactly what "mistake" I was making.

[Dingfod]

If fifty million people were to say a word has a certain meaning, it becomes the dialectic norm, does it not?

I guess then that "liberal" means "misguided shithead". Fifty million is less than a quarter of the U.S. population....

George Orwell would be proud.

If you insist, use it that way. But I'll not.

godfryYou didn't even say anything about my misuse of the word dialectic?

[godfry n. glad]

Possibly. I prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt in such cases. IMO, using reticent created a nuance that would have been much weaker had liv said reluctant instead. I sometimes deliberately abuse standard English usage. A post I made here just this afternoon included sentence fragments. Be assured that I knew exactly what "mistake" I was making.

"A nuance"? What "nuance" would that be? The only nuance I picked up was that the word was misused. I picked it up because I used to use it that way and was corrected.

I suspect it's a nuance in your own mind. :P

I'm still waiting to see what liv has to say for herself. She's been fairly reticent about expressing her views. :D

godfry

[godfry n. glad]

If fifty million people were to say a word has a certain meaning, it becomes the dialectic norm, does it not?

I guess then that "liberal" means "misguided shithead". Fifty million is less than a quarter of the U.S. population....

George Orwell would be proud.

If you insist, use it that way. But I'll not.

godfryYou didn't even say anything about my misuse of the word dialectic?

Sorry.... I thought about it, but decided I'd stick to the one I'm working with rather than extend it. Hell...I just figured you were some o'erwrought Hegelian. :D

godfry

[Dingfod]

...I just figured you were some o'erwrought Hegelian. :D You've got part of that right.

[livius drusus]

I'm still waiting to see what liv has to say for herself. She's been fairly reticent about expressing her views. :D

Hey, I'm a busy woman, donchaknow. :student:

Okay let's see... Yes, I am mortal. No, I am not fallible. Yes, I was exuberating. No, I was not babbling carelessly. Yes, I thought it was appropriate in the same way you did until last year.

I have no problem with the correction, godfry. I was just taken aback by your labelling anyone deploying it in accordance with the vulgar usage as lazy, ignorant, misinformed manglers of the English language.

Cause, like, that's so not me, man.

[wade-w]

I'm still waiting to see what liv has to say for herself. She's been fairly reticent about expressing her views. :D

Hey, I'm a busy woman, donchaknow. :student:

Okay let's see... Yes, I am mortal. No, I am not fallible. Yes, I was exuberating. No, I was not babbling carelessly. Yes, I thought it was appropriate in the same way you did until last year.

I have no problem with the correction, godfry. I was just taken aback by your labelling anyone deploying it in accordance with the vulgar usage as lazy, ignorant, misinformed manglers of the English language.

Cause, like, that's so not me, man.

Well, I guess I was wrong again. This has been happening way too much lately. :blush:

I was aware that reticent was technically inappropriate in that context and have been for a lot longer than one year, but I stand by my judgement that using it in that particular sentence made it richer. I am not a big fan of rigidly adhering to set conventions in all situations. What I saw in your use of reticent here is this: reticent can be defined as "stingy in communicating." It has a vulgar meaing of reluctant. So using it in place of "reluctant to spend money" reinforced the image of "livius not wanting to part with her dollars."

[godfry n. glad]

I'm still waiting to see what liv has to say for herself. She's been fairly reticent about expressing her views. :D

Hey, I'm a busy woman, donchaknow. :student:

Okay let's see... Yes, I am mortal. No, I am not fallible. Yes, I was exuberating. No, I was not babbling carelessly. Yes, I thought it was appropriate in the same way you did until last year.

I have no problem with the correction, godfry. I was just taken aback by your labelling anyone deploying it in accordance with the vulgar usage as lazy, ignorant, misinformed manglers of the English language.

Cause, like, that's so not me, man.

No... That's me...I'm just projecting. A little hyperbole never hurt anyone, and it often gets attention. Drama fool, y'know.

I know that's "so not you", liv...I was just aghast at actually being handed the opportunity to correct the "word nazi"...and then I got sandbagged by my own damn language. Partly, at least.

Happy unbirthday...you already got my cheesy doggerel for your birthday. Careful it doesn't bind you up.

godfry