From Porn to Eternal Flamewar: A Thread Split

[Beth]

Hey! I thought Floridians were the true crackers!

[wei yau]

I was born in Hong Kong.
Raised in New York City.
Currently work in Herndon, Virginia
Currently live in Manassas, Virginia


...does this mean my daughter will be a cracker?

[viscousmemories]

Hey! I thought Floridians were the true crackers!
Nope, you're thinking of Saltines!

[Beth]

Hehe. Actually, here, if someone calls me a cracker just because I am white, it is as insulting as someone calling a black person the n word. In fact, it (http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/cracker.htm) is under violation of the hate crimes act.

Normally, though, when I get called a cracker (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~fcc/main/what's_a_cracker.htm), it is due to the fact that I am a native Floridian who lives in the stix. But, there are times when it is said, that I do get very, very offended. I suppose on the way it is said.

[godfry n. glad]

Well... Thank ye, all.

This poor little ol' west coast Yankee thought any white southerner was a "Cracker". I did not realize that it was confined to such a relatively small geographical area.

And, liv... Please accept my sincerest apologies for confusing you with those Carolinians, north or south.
Georgia it is...

And...Just out of interest, can you, just by speaking to them, distinguish between a resident of Athens and one of Greeneville?

godfry

[beyelzu]

I was born in Hong Kong.
Raised in New York City.
Currently work in Herndon, Virginia
Currently live in Manassas, Virginia


...does this mean my daughter will be a cracker?
yeah, man you are screwed.


speaking as an honest to god rural georgia cracker

[beyelzu]

And...Just out of interest, can you, just by speaking to them, distinguish between a resident of Athens and one of Greeneville?

godfry
I cant, but I can tell the difference between someone who is from south ga, waycross, valdosta etc.. and someone from the atl area.


of course, I am biased as my father being landed gentry had the genteel incredibly fucking cool southern accent and my mother is a damn yankee.


a yankee is someone who comes from the north and visits

a damn yankee comes and stays.

[livius drusus]

Well... Thank ye, all.

This poor little ol' west coast Yankee thought any white southerner was a "Cracker". I did not realize that it was confined to such a relatively small geographical area.

Don't listen to them Florida crackers. They're just jealous.

And, liv... Please accept my sincerest apologies for confusing you with those Carolinians, north or south.
Georgia it is...

Hey, thass cool. I just live here. I'm what you call yankee carpetbagger scum pretending to be a gin-you-wine crackah.

And...Just out of interest, can you, just by speaking to them, distinguish between a resident of Athens and one of Greeneville?

Hell no. You need a cracker of beyelzu's rank to accomplish that feat.

[godfry n. glad]

a yankee is someone who comes from the north and visits

a damn yankee comes and stays.

Yeah?

You got a term for a yankee who knows enough to stay away entirely?

godfry

(...and some cracker tol' me that Atlanta was just a collection of damn yankees and carpetbaggers.)

[Farren]

How come Chef calls the South Park kids "you little crackers"?

[Beth]

How come Chef calls the South Park kids "you little crackers"?Because it is a racial slur. It is okay to call a Georgian or Floridian a Cracker, if you use it in certain terms.
Using it that way is liable to get you your teeth kicked in by a fucking pissed off redneck.

[Beth]

Oh, I might add, I got a kid suspended at school for calling my son that. He said it in front of me, I went livid. It is equivalent to using the n word.

[Dingfod]

Cracker: (http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?path=/Folklife/CustomsandLocalTraditions&id=h-552)
Linguists now believe the original root to be the Gaelic craic, still used in Ireland (anglicized in spelling to crack) for "entertaining conversation." The English meaning of cracker as a braggart appears by Elizabethan times, as, for example, in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this ... that deafes our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?"

[wade-w]

How come Chef calls the South Park kids "you little crackers"?

In that context, it's a racial slur towards caucasians. So if the South Park kids were African-American, this would become "you little niggers." It's thus analogous to American "nigger" or South African "kaffir."

As an aside, when I was a young child there was a minor league (AAA) baseball team called the Atlanta Crackers.

[beyelzu]

a yankee is someone who comes from the north and visits

a damn yankee comes and stays.

Yeah?

You got a term for a yankee who knows enough to stay away entirely? the good kind :D



(...and some cracker tol' me that Atlanta was just a collection of damn yankees and carpetbaggers.)
well, sure it seems that way most of the time, but I have known plenty of people who were actually from atl and trust me when I say that some of the third generation atlanteans are as much crackers as the ones I grew up with in Rome Ga.

[viscousmemories]

Oh, I might add, I got a kid suspended at school for calling my son that. He said it in front of me, I went livid. It is equivalent to using the n word.
I really don't think that's an accurate comparison, because whites haven't suffered a tiny fraction of the abuse, discrimination and degradation at the hands of blacks that blacks have experienced from us. And I don't see how a word used to denigrate an oppressor can come close to having the same negative weight as a word used to denigrate the oppressed. Which is to say I do think 'cracker' is a racist and insulting term, and I would personally be very offended if someone called me a cracker in certain contexts, but I think calling it equivelant to 'nigger' trivializes the negative force of the latter.

[beyelzu]

Oh, I might add, I got a kid suspended at school for calling my son that. He said it in front of me, I went livid. It is equivalent to using the n word.
I really don't think that's an accurate comparison, because whites haven't suffered a tiny fraction of the abuse, discrimination and degradation at the hands of blacks that blacks have experienced from us. And I don't see how a word used to denigrate an oppressor can come close to having the same negative weight as a word used to denigrate the oppressed. Which is to say I do think 'cracker' is a racist and insulting term, and I would personally be very offended if someone called me a cracker in certain contexts, but I think calling it equivelant to 'nigger' trivializes the negative force of the latter.
I have never oppressed anyone.

of course, I laugh when people have called me a cracker or redneck.

I find neither term offensive, although some blacks do seem to think that cracker is the equivalent of nigger in my experience.

in that they have called me that the way I have heard rednecks call blacks niggers.

but to me it just isnt offensive.

in truth I find cracker less irritating than redneck, because being called a cracker is like being called white, and since I am obviously white it seems kind of funny that someone would us it as a prejorative. redneck, on the other hand, confuses me, my southern accent isnt particularly thick, I dont have a gun rack and I have never fucked my sister, so it just seems offbase.

[Farren]

Here's a peculiar inverse synchronicity. Over here right-wing Afrikaners have traditionally refered to English speakers as "rooineks" (rednecks) because lily-white english colonists, who were more likely to have vastly more liberal values, were also more likely to burn in the hot Southern African sun so close to the ozone hole.

[Beth]

Oh, I might add, I got a kid suspended at school for calling my son that. He said it in front of me, I went livid. It is equivalent to using the n word.
I really don't think that's an accurate comparison, because whites haven't suffered a tiny fraction of the abuse, discrimination and degradation at the hands of blacks that blacks have experienced from us. And I don't see how a word used to denigrate an oppressor can come close to having the same negative weight as a word used to denigrate the oppressed. Which is to say I do think 'cracker' is a racist and insulting term, and I would personally be very offended if someone called me a cracker in certain contexts, but I think calling it equivelant to 'nigger' trivializes the negative force of the latter.I have not oppressed anyone. My son did not oppress anyone. I can understand what you are saying. I never use that word because it is one of the most vulgar and offensive things I can think of. it is true that There is the connotation to slavery, but I have not enslaved. Nor do I deserve to be insulted or called a slave owner any more than the black man deserves to be called a worthless dog. You see, we can get into the nitty gritty of thing. The white man calling the black man the n word and the black man calling the white man a cracker is full of hate. Pure racial hatred.

Well, I have seen jokey instances where a white friend will use a slur to his black friend and visa versa. They seem to be okay with it.

I have no problem being called a cracker as it was said on this thread, with the exception of it being used as a racial slur.

[godfry n. glad]

in truth I find cracker less irritating than redneck, because being called a cracker is like being called white, and since I am obviously white it seems kind of funny that someone would us it as a prejorative. redneck, on the other hand, confuses me, my southern accent isnt particularly thick, I dont have a gun rack and I have never fucked my sister, so it just seems offbase.

'Course not... You're a "house cracker", not a "field cracker".

...as my father being landed gentry...

godfry

[Beth]

Oh, I might add, I got a kid suspended at school for calling my son that. He said it in front of me, I went livid. It is equivalent to using the n word.
I really don't think that's an accurate comparison, because whites haven't suffered a tiny fraction of the abuse, discrimination and degradation at the hands of blacks that blacks have experienced from us. And I don't see how a word used to denigrate an oppressor can come close to having the same negative weight as a word used to denigrate the oppressed. Which is to say I do think 'cracker' is a racist and insulting term, and I would personally be very offended if someone called me a cracker in certain contexts, but I think calling it equivelant to 'nigger' trivializes the negative force of the latter.
I have never oppressed anyone.

of course, I laugh when people have called me a cracker or redneck.

I find neither term offensive, although some blacks do seem to think that cracker is the equivalent of nigger in my experience.

in that they have called me that the way I have heard rednecks call blacks niggers.

but to me it just isnt offensive.

in truth I find cracker less irritating than redneck, because being called a cracker is like being called white, and since I am obviously white it seems kind of funny that someone would us it as a prejorative. redneck, on the other hand, confuses me, my southern accent isnt particularly thick, I dont have a gun rack and I have never fucked my sister, so it just seems offbase.I see less problem being called a redneck. I can be called it, but no one could possibly believe it to be true. If you wanna get down into it, a person calling you a cracker as a slur is basically calling you a slave owner. They got this term from the cracks of the whips as they beat the slaves.

Now, other than this one hateful usage, I could care less about being called a cracker. I also see no offense at being called a honkey, unless they try to degrade me with its usage. Then I find it insulting because I am being shown racial hatred.

[beyelzu]

in truth I find cracker less irritating than redneck, because being called a cracker is like being called white, and since I am obviously white it seems kind of funny that someone would us it as a prejorative. redneck, on the other hand, confuses me, my southern accent isnt particularly thick, I dont have a gun rack and I have never fucked my sister, so it just seems offbase.

'Course not... You're a "house cracker", not a "field cracker".

...as my father being landed gentry...

godfry
:rofl:

[viscousmemories]

I have never oppressed anyone.
I think with consideration of your lack of capitalization, livius would disagree.

But anyway my point was that the word 'nigger' has a much longer history of use as a word to denigrate an oppressed minority than 'cracker', which in fact hasn't ever been used to denigrate an oppressed minority at all.

of course, I laugh when people have called me a cracker or redneck.

I find neither term offensive, although some blacks do seem to think that cracker is the equivalent of nigger in my experience.

in that they have called me that the way I have heard rednecks call blacks niggers.

but to me it just isnt offensive.
That's pretty much how I feel, although I admit I don't think anyone has ever seriously called me a 'cracker' in a clearly racist way. That may be a southern thing I just haven't experienced. The few black people that made racial slurs toward me in Michigan used 'honky' (and now that I write it I can't imagine what it could possibly mean).

in truth I find cracker less irritating than redneck, because being called a cracker is like being called white, and since I am obviously white it seems kind of funny that someone would us it as a prejorative.
Exactly my point above. Since white's have never been an oppressed minority, it is nowhere near as offensive as calling a black person a 'nigger'.

redneck, on the other hand, confuses me, my southern accent isnt particularly thick, I dont have a gun rack and I have never fucked my sister, so it just seems offbase.
lol. I've never used that word seriously, but I used 'hick' a lot to describe everyone who lived outside of Ann Arbor when I was growing up. I've pretty actively avoided stereotyping since my early to mid-20's, but only recently began extending that same courtesy to religious practitioners.

[godfry n. glad]

Here's a peculiar inverse synchronicity. Over here right-wing Afrikaners have traditionally refered to English speakers as "rooineks" (rednecks) because lily-white english colonists, who were more likely to have vastly more liberal values, were also more likely to burn in the hot Southern African sun so close to the ozone hole.

Well, it's my understanding that the term "redneck" here in the states comes from those whites who were too poor to own slaves (or too few slaves), so they had to work their own land, and sunburn their necks working in the fields.

Once the slaves in the South were freed, they became the primary competition for jobs, cropsales and marginal land with these poor whites. Consequently, the rich whites and carpetbaggers manipulated these poor whites to intimidate and keep down those blacks who chose to stay in the South.

godfry

[pescifish]

a young child there was a minor league (AAA) baseball team called the Atlanta Crackers.See, this thread is about sports!!! :baseball:

[Godless Dave]

While I have never oppressed anyone, and many of my ancestors were abolitionists, I can't deny that I was born with an economic advantage because white people in this country gained economic benefits from slave labor.

Even my Norwegian and German ancestors, who came here after 1865 with barely a penny to their name, had an easier time getting jobs and housing than black Americans whose families had been in the country for generations.

Today, there are some instances where a black person will have an advantage over a white person. But if you are applying for a mortgage, a car loan, a business loan, and in many cases a job, just being born white gives you an advantage.

Most importantly, I've never heard of an occasion where the slur "cracker" was followed by a white person being lynched by a mob of black people who knew they would never be arrested for murder. So I don't think the terms are equivalent.


And the Green Bay Packers suck.

[livius drusus]

a young child there was a minor league (AAA) baseball team called the Atlanta Crackers.See, this thread is about sports!!! :baseball:

And to bring it all together, everyone please welcome the Fighting Whites (http://www.fightingwhites.org/).

http://zoom.cafepress.com/6/903716_zoom.jpg

P.S. - I had to move this thread, y'all. It just made no sense where it was.

[godfry n. glad]

P.S. - I had to move this thread, y'all. It just made no sense where it was.

Now we gotta make sense? :eyebrow2:

godfry

[livius drusus]

Don't you raise that eyebrow at me, young man. I'd flame ya just as soon as look at ya. :ripley:

[beyelzu]

Today, there are some instances where a black person will have an advantage over a white person. But if you are applying for a mortgage, a car loan, a business loan, and in many cases a job, just being born white gives you an advantage.
proof please that unequal standards are applied in the cases you mentioned above.


Most importantly, I've never heard of an occasion where the slur "cracker" was followed by a white person being lynched by a mob of black people who knew they would never be arrested for murder. So I don't think the terms are equivalent.


The U.S. Justice Department has reported that 85% of all inter-racial violence in America is committed by blacks against whites.
from http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1912


I cant seem to find it but in ga a few years ago a black man was charged with a hate crime when he told his buddies that he was going to kill the first white man he saw and then did so.

now I have no idea what he said at the time, but it wouldnt have surprised me if he called the vicitm a cracker before killing him because of race.

[livius drusus]

Em, scuse me, but just a thought: if we're going to get into an actual discussion of race and discrimination, I think a new thread would be the way to go.

[beyelzu]

Em, scuse me, but just a thought: if we're going to get into an actual discussion of race and discrimination, I think a new thread would be the way to go.
good point.

[Godless Dave]

Em, scuse me, but just a thought: if we're going to get into an actual discussion of race and discrimination, I think a new thread would be the way to go.
I'd expect a wop to say that. ;)

[livius drusus]

Don't you have some cod to soak in lye, Sven?

[Godless Dave]

Mmm, lutefisk.
http://www.pearl-jam.com/simpsons/sihmahh.jpg

[godfry n. glad]

Oooooo....Ethnic flame war!

godfry

[livius drusus]

I owe Dave an apology. It seems that he is not, in fact, a lutefisk-eating bög, but rather a bratwurst-slinging kraut.

[Godless Dave]

Actually I'm a little of both, and a skirt-wearing sheep fucker.


Can anyone lend me ten quid till next Thursday?

[livius drusus]

Wow. You're a veritable vunderland of ethnic slurs, snowflake.

[Farren]

:rofl: :roflmao:

Thank you both for one of the most entertaining insult-fests I've seen in forever.

[Godless Dave]

Wow. You're a veritable vunderland of ethnic slurs, snowflake.

You know it, bambino.

[Godless Dave]

Speaking of Scandinavian heritage:

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[livius drusus]

There's a lot of horn imagery on that logo. Overcompensation much? Yes, I know how cold it gets up yonder. Yes, yes, I'm sure it's just shrinkage. Uh huh. Sure.

[Godless Dave]

You're just craving a mustache tickle.