Presedential Debate, Round II: This time, it's personal!!

[Goliath]

Thought I'd create the debate thread...although I won't be around to comment during the debate (my HDTV is both my monitor and my TV, so I'd have to flip back and forth and miss some of the debate).

But don't worry, I have a large mug of coke and Jim Beam right here. :D

[seebs]

Man.

I have to say, I grudgingly respect people who have the patience to watch this crap.

[Beth]

The dumb fuck was asked how we would improve foreign relations, he did not answer the question.
At least Kerry is.

[livius drusus]

"I hear there's rumors on the, uh, internets..." Dumb fuck is right.

[livius drusus]

Oh. My. God. He just fucking jumped Gibson. Nut job.

[freemonkey]

Oh. My. God. He just fucking jumped Gibson. Nut job.

You beat me to it! Did you see that? OMFG!

[livius drusus]

It was crazy! Belligerent doesn't even begin to describe it.

[freemonkey]

Well, he seems a bit subdued and less confident than he was a few minutes ago.

Oh, take that back..... he's picking up steam.

[livius drusus]

If he says wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, once more I'm going to yak.

[LadyXoc]

I keep leaving the room and coming back. It's a train wreck.

[livius drusus]

I'm so glad I'm not the only person who does that, LadyXoc.

[Beth]

God, I wish I had been able to watch the Gore vs. Bush debates. I never would have voted for this moron.

[Beth]

I cannot even afford to go to the fucking doctor and he says that we do not want rationing of the healthcare?

[livius drusus]

Now Beth, he's just trying to keep you safe from that flood of Nepalese prescription drugs coming in from Canada. :rolleye1:

[Beth]

I am so ashamed. I was so freaking blind. I was so stupid. :banghead::wall::angry::madrant:

[Scotty]

I am recording it, but have been unable to turn it on for more than 10-15 seconds at a time.

I have no idea what they are talking about. I have requests from family members for the debate's on DVD, so I guess I have to fix it up, which means I will have to watch some of it.

Just off the top of my head, isn't the "War on Terror" basically a World War? I just can't imagine that killing people will solve terrorism, I mean, hasn't that been tried? Over and over and over and over and over? Does it seem like a new idea, going and killing people before they might kill you? This was never tried before, it is a new approach?

Diplomacy doesn't work obviously, so lets go back to what didn't work the first time. At least it makes us feel better, you know, them dying and all, just in case.

Won't fighting terror be a continous war? Never ending and eventually we will have to stop because their won't be any more money to go to the military, or we will just all be so poor that it will just be a way of life. Sounds like Iraq.

Sorry for the constant questions Liv, I know you don't like them...?

:D

-Scott

[freemonkey]

OMG, I can't believe that man is actually taken seriously by so many of my fellow Americans.

Edit: I don't mean you, Beth. I mean some of the people I know IRL. Now.

[livius drusus]

Remember: he didn't win the popular vote, and even if he had, nobody had any idea he'd turn out to be such a shitpile. 9-11 changed everything.

It's a new year, Beth. In less than a month you can say bye bye to that custom title forever.

[livius drusus]

Sorry for the constant questions Liv, I know you don't like them...?

I HAVE TO ANSWER THAT YOU HAVE TO LET ME ANSWER THAT NO I'M ANSWERING THAT FUCK YOU.

Um. Wrong war wrong place wrong time.

There. Happy now?

[livius drusus]

Jesus Christ. Under god in the pledge. Dredd Scott decision. Constitution doesn't say slaves are property. Jesus.

[Scotty]

I'm sorry Liv, does my message in your birthday thread make up for it?

-Scott

[livius drusus]

More than makes up for it, thank you. Now if you could just ball-gag Bush for me, it'd be the best birthday present ever.

[Scotty]

More than makes up for it, thank you. Now if you could just ball-gag Bush for me, it'd be the best birthday present ever.

Hmmm.

I must cogitate on this.

-Scott

[MinorityReport]

It's a cheap laugh, I know, but I loved it a moment ago when Bush said that if Kerry had been in charge of the situation Saddam Hussein would be in power and the world would be a lot better off. :)

[Goliath]

I'm furckrin gdrunk!!!!!!

[Goliath]

Oh god, didrdiI saythat? I meant

I'm rfurcking drunk!!

[Goliath]

ahfcccck fcukf it

[Goliath]

At least I'm ussssring "the internerets" as our fu ckstcuk iin chief says it!!!

Yaaay1!!doinkey kong!! kyaaaayyy!!


oh fuck.k....

[Goliath]

Oh. My. God. He just fucking jumped Gibson. Nut job.

Whaaaaatah? he jumped girgsbgbson? he's afcurckig xisan, but he didn't mug girbsison!

frucruk, I'm srory, i drunknk

[Goliath]

i'asll giv e dubyaone thing...he was a lot ore calm thnis time aroudnt.....tno scowling that siaw..
fuck it...toofuckinglaxzy anddrunk to corrtfcieck t myself...i'm sosfuckingsorrryy!!!!!

[seebs]

I'm furckrin gdrunk!!!!!!

You and Bush. :P

[Goliath]

I am so ashamed. I was so freaking blind. I was so stupid. :banghead::wall::angry::madrant:

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goingto go in case ofdrfdasrdraft!!!fuck!
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[Goliath]

Oh fuckfusiimsrososorry...fuck!!stopmogvijgng myfucking tv!!!

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[Goliath]

Whathtefucck amisaygingg? awwfuckI'm sor rrry .

[Goliath]

I'm furckrin gdrunk!!!!!!

You and Bush. :P

FUCUCCK HEAHHH!!!!

EXCRCRPt i was mostly screaming FUCK YOU FUCK FUCKERFUCKFACKFUCKFACEFUCKKKKKKFRUCKR

YEAH.......UMM..YHEAHIWAS SCREMRIAING AT BUXH AND YELLING YAAAH WHEN KERRY SPOKE..EHFCUCKING KICKED ASSS.UBUT THEN GAGIN, WHAT DO I KNOW I'M DRUNKTGK?!/2

[freemonkey]

Goliath, were you playing that game where you had to do a shot every time Bush said something stupid?

[Goliath]

yeahdn posting durnk si hard worrk

haaaH1Q!q!!!! I CAN BE THRFUCKING PRESIDRINT!!

[Goliath]

Goliath, were you playing that game where you had to do a shot every time Bush said something stupid?

shotsiss? idunno..iahhd aout a half a bigu mug of jack beam anmd coke..half each....slowlsryly workoiing on second muggh noww...

i reraisze i 'm fucking speling horribly...tgofucking lazy to crrict it even though i can...fuckk....i'msrurryyy!!!!

[Beth]

I'm furckrin gdrunk!!!!!!
No, Bzzitch! I'm fuckin' drnk! Hubby and I got into a fight over this debate. Called me a murdere because I was raped and aborted the baby that wasconceived. Fucking men! Fucking blacvk and fucking whirte men!!@!!!!!!!

[Beth]

Yay for vanilla rum! It helps me survinve debates!

[livius drusus]

Oh Beth... I'm so sorry. :(

[Beth]

Oh Beth... I'm so sorry. :(
Oh, gosh! I am so sorry. I am doing it again. I should not post drunk. I'm sorry, t'is your b-day. All I can say is that my marriage almost brilliantly reflects the current Aemerican political polarization. Please forgive me, Liv.

[Goliath]

I'm furckrin gdrunk!!!!!!
No, Bzzitch! I'm fuckin' drnk! Hubby and I got into a fight over this debate. Called me a murdere because I was raped and aborted the baby that wasconceived. Fucking men! Fucking blacvk and fucking whirte men!!@!!!!!!!

no, i'mf uckings orry...i hate mhgyender sometimes/...andsometimes ih ate muy fcuking race, too...

i'msrorry...ifi rememberd te h hggusg smilel, i'd pu it up right now..onestl.

[livius drusus]

There's nothing to forgive, Beth, really. I just hope things turn around for you. :smilehug:

[Goliath]

:hug: :smilehug: tghere we go...imd srry abgout my gender and racem , beth...i raeallh am...sometimes, i almsot wish i wasn't male..

[D. Scarlatti]

Jesus Christ. Under god in the pledge. Dredd Scott decision. Constitution doesn't say slaves are property. Jesus.

"That's not what the Constitution says. The Constitution of the United States says we're all - you know, it doesn't say that." - G.W. Bush

I don't think he has any idea what's in the Constitution. Seriously.

[seebs]

No, Bzzitch! I'm fuckin' drnk! Hubby and I got into a fight over this debate. Called me a murdere because I was raped and aborted the baby that wasconceived. Fucking men! Fucking blacvk and fucking whirte men!!@!!!!!!!

Oh, sux0r.

Y'know, it took me years to realize what it is that makes me so angry when people call abortion "murder".

Murder is intentional killing with malice aforethought of a human being.

If you think that what you're killing is, for whatever reason, "not human", then you're not murdering. You may be killing, and you may even be wrong, and be killing a person, but it cannot be murder unless you know it.

Anyway... Fer fuck's sake. I don't see how anyone can condemn someone on a moral choice like that. You make the best choice you can, you live with it... What the FUCK good does it do to call you names?

[LadyXoc]

Instead of giving you comfort and support, he gives you abuse? He is no one to be calling names, beth. He needs to look at his own damn behavior and why he feels it necessary to abuse the person he is supposed to love and protect.

But what do I know, looks like I'm sitting at your end of the table. Heh.

[Dingfod]

Questioner: President Bush, name three decisions you've made that were wrong and why.
W: ... [insert complete nonsequitur] ...

Actually, he said he regretted some of his appointments, but didn't want to name them. Who? Paul O'Neill, because he told it like it is and you didn't like it? Who? Colin Powell, the peace-loving, UN inspection advocating commie pinko pussy? Who? General Shinseki, because he told it like it was and you didn't like it?

[Dingfod]

{{{{Beth}}}}

[Beth]

Politics is usually a very hot subject in my house. I should not have written what I did but I was so upset and went from a leisure drink to excessive amounts. It really was inexcusable, I've tried not to do this anymore and I fell back into an old behavior. So I feel very disappointed with myself. The rape was not recent, it happened when I was 16 or 17( As time goes on, the details get fuzzier and fuzzier to me.), anyway, I did not tell my husband about it till my 20's and then I did in a confession. I suppose he is still upset a little about it.

[HelenM]

Politics is usually a very hot subject in my house. I should not have written what I did but I was so upset and went from a leisure drink to excessive amounts. It really was inexcusable, I've tried not to do this anymore and I fell back into an old behavior. So I feel very disappointed with myself. The rape was not recent, it happened when I was 16 or 17( As time goes on, the details get fuzzier and fuzzier to me.), anyway, I did not tell my husband about it till my 20's and then I did in a confession. I suppose he is still upset a little about it.

He may be, but bear in mind that people often say things when upset that they don't really mean.

Try not to beat yourself up because you drank more than you intended to last night.

And hopefully your husband, in calmer moments, will continue to be as supportive as usual.

Helen

[HelenM]

Question: Mr. President, my mother and sister traveled abroad this summer, and when they got back they talked to us about how shocked they were at the intensity of aggravation that other countries had with how we handled the Iraq situation.

Diplomacy is obviously something that we really have to really work on.

What is your plan to repair relations with other countries given the current situation?

BUSH: No, I appreciate that. I -- listen, I -- we've got a great country. I love our values. And I recognize I've made some decisions that have caused people to not understand the great values of our country.

I remember when Ronald Reagan was the president; he stood on principle. Somebody called that stubborn. He stood on principle standing up to the Soviet Union, and we won that conflict. Yet at the same time, he was very -- we were very unpopular in Europe because of the decisions he made. I recognize that taking Saddam Hussein out was unpopular. But I made the decision because I thought it was in the right interests of our security.

You know, I've made some decisions on Israel that's unpopular. I wouldn't deal with Arafat, because I felt like he had let the former president down, and I don't think he's the kind of person that can lead toward a Palestinian state.

And people in Europe didn't like that decision. And that was unpopular, but it was the right thing to do.

I believe Palestinians ought to have a state, but I know they need leadership that's committed to a democracy and freedom, leadership that would be willing to reject terrorism.

I made a decision not to join the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which is where our troops could be brought to -- brought in front of a judge, an unaccounted judge.

I don't think we ought to join that. That was unpopular.

And so, what I'm telling you is, is that sometimes in this world you make unpopular decisions because you think they're right.

We'll continue to reach out.

Listen, there is 30 nations involved in Iraq, some 40 nations involved in Afghanistan.

People love America. Sometimes they don't like the decisions made by America, but I don't think you want a president who tries to become popular and does the wrong thing.

You don't want to join the International Criminal Court just because it's popular in certain capitals in Europe.


Way to go showing why GW really has to work on diplomacy. *sigh*

Helen

[livius drusus]

A blow by blow (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/10/09/blow_by_blow/index.html) of the debates courtesy of Joyce McGreevy at Salon. It requires membership or advertisement/day pass, but it's so, so worth it.

Woman tells Bush, speaking of getting all pissy, my mother and sister caught holy crap during their overseas summer vacation because YOU just had to invade Iraq. Bush jeers, Well, I hate that poncho, so now we're even. Adds: Don't worry, they're just a bunch of dumb foreigners who don't understand my plan. Kerry says there is no plan. Bush says, 'member I was sittin' in the office, the oval one, lookin' at generals? Well, then I went down to the basement, where there was more generals, and I looked at every darn one of 'em. That's what a president does.

Sadly enough, that's pretty much a balls-on accurate description of that exchange. Bush has made satire redundant.

[pescifish]

A coworker had the debate streaming off some Internet radio station while I was frantically trying to get some work done. I didn't see it on tv, so I'm still confused about one thing.

So, did Bush have wood, or not?

[livius drusus]

Ewwwwww!

[Adam]

Y'know, it took me years to realize what it is that makes me so angry when people call abortion "murder".

Murder is intentional killing with malice aforethought of a human being.

If you think that what you're killing is, for whatever reason, "not human", then you're not murdering. You may be killing, and you may even be wrong, and be killing a person, but it cannot be murder unless you know it.

Wow. I've never heard it put quite like that before. Amazingly well said.