TransverseWave: She's Here, She's Here

[Sweetie]

I saw her, I saw her, she finally came here!

Everybody wave, quick and pretend its not an unhealthy for her antagonistic place. :wink:

Hi, TW!

:bgirl:

Do you see me, over here, here!

:bgirl:



:D


*cough* Just ignore the avatar. :innocent:

[livius drusus]

Hi TransverseWave. I'm familiar with your posts in the CF Outcasts threads, although I admit it's been a while since I kept up with the saga. :blushes:

Welcome to FF. :welcome1:

[Sweetie]

There, I'm decent. :yup:

Bumpity bump bump bump.

Hi TW, Hi TW, Hi TW!!!!!!

:hyper:

[Sweetie]

I even took some pics of my community yesterday, TW! There's a Gallery, look under Site Navigation at the top. :yup:

[TransverseWave]

:wave:
:blinks at the fanfare:

Long time no see.

:immediately sets in motion a diabolical plan to write posts on obscure subjects the length of Churchill's history of the Second World War, rendering everyone comatose, so she can take over the forum and promote fundamentalist agnosticism*:


*We'll be dogmatic and extremist about our position as soon as we figure out what it is.

[TransverseWave]

Hi TransverseWave. I'm familiar with your posts in the CF Outcasts threads, although I admit it's been a while since I kept up with the saga. :blushes:
No matter when you quit, you didn't miss anything. Nothing ever really changes.

Welcome to FF. :welcome1:
Thanks. :)

[Leesifer]

Welcome to :ff: TransverseWave.

[Philosophy]

:welcome:

[livius drusus]

:immediately sets in motion a diabolical plan to write posts on obscure subjects the length of Churchill's history of the Second World War, rendering everyone comatose, so she can take over the forum and promote fundamentalist agnosticism*:Outstanding. Somebody's got to break the hold ancient Rome and and medieval Europe have on the History forum. If it takes a Churchillian coma, then I say let catatonia reign.

*We'll be dogmatic and extremist about our position as soon as we figure out what it is. :spanishinq:

[Dragar]

Heya TransverseWave.

[MooseIBe]

TW! I think I last saw you inside a wardrobe ;)

Jo da Moose

[beyelzu]

:welcome2: to :ff:

tranverse wave


and just in case i offend you this link explain all (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3278&highlight=offended)

[Adam]

I don't know you like everyone else appears to, but hi! :wave:

[TomJoe]

Hello TW.

[viscousmemories]

:welcome: to the FF, TransverseWave.

[Crumb]

:welcome3: to :ff: TranverseWave, whoever you may be.

[TransverseWave]

Outstanding. Somebody's got to break the hold ancient Rome and and medieval Europe have on the History forum. If it takes a Churchillian coma, then I say let catatonia reign.
I'm not so likely to do anything about the medieval Europe part. I'm not an expert, but I have a more than casual interest in the subject.

[TransverseWave]

TW! I think I last saw you inside a wardrobe ;)
That you did. :yup:

[livius drusus]

I'm not so likely to do anything about the medieval Europe part. I'm not an expert, but I have a more than casual interest in the subject.
I could say much the same for myself. In fact, I believe I just did. Do you have any particular areas of preference? I'm an art, urban life, lay religious communities, plague, medicine, technology and more-I-can't-think-of-right-now kind of girl, myself.

[TransverseWave]

Do you have any particular areas of preference? I'm an art, urban life, lay religious communities, plague, medicine, technology and more-I-can't-think-of-right-now kind of girl, myself.
In broad brush strokes, I guess I'd describe it as an interest in how physical culture and warfare affect intellectual culture and government, and vice versa. The biggest hole in my knowledge that I'm anxious to fill is what daily life for the peasants was really like: I don't know half what I'd like to know.

[livius drusus]

Intriguing. What do you mean by physical culture?

[justaman]

For the record my expertise is boobs, so.

[TransverseWave]

Intriguing. What do you mean by physical culture?
Technology, farming, travel, trade, communication: how does the production and movement of goods, people, and information shape the government and ideas?

I don't know nearly as much about this as I want to, but it's a matter of considerable interest.

[Sweetie]

I still think of our backwards thread way back when at CF, TransverseWave.

I even tried to start one here not too long ago, thought of that old thread, and wished you were here to discuss it with:

http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6832


If we ever get into it again, I get to be the agnostic again. :muahaha: I just get to sit there asking, "well why?", "why?," and "how can we know that?" :plotting:

[Sweetie]

And yes, this thread can be moved to Greetings and Salutations. I was just too excited, didn't think.

[TransverseWave]

If we ever get into it again, I get to be the agnostic again. :muahaha: I just get to sit there asking, "well why?", "why?," and "how can we know that?" :plotting:

Possibly I should be more sympathetic to Christians who insist that either I must believe in God or I must be a strong atheist. The no-position position is vexing to oppose. :D

[Sweetie]

:yup:

:D

[godfry n. glad]

If we ever get into it again, I get to be the agnostic again. :muahaha: I just get to sit there asking, "well why?", "why?," and "how can we know that?" :plotting:

Possibly I should be more sympathetic to Christians who insist that either I must believe in God or I must be a strong atheist. The no-position position is vexing to oppose. :D

Insufficient evidence in the face of extraordinary claims, most unfalsifiable. There is no real way to know for sure.

[JoeP]

:wave: Transverse:wave:!

Intro! Speech! For those of us who don't know you.

[TransverseWave]

Mmm...OK.

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!
Did none of those who know me tell you
That the less said about me, the better?
Evidently not; and grievously shall you answer it,
Though they could not have forewarned you
That I would take such leave of my wits
As to answer you in blank verse. Or I could switch
Without a hitch
To the loose meter and the unschematic rhyme
That Philip Wayne used to translate Faust
And discourse obscurely on the joust
Or on people who perished in pestilence tyme,
And the later revival of verse in the style
Of the Anglo-Saxons, whose accentual meter
And alliteration had long been forgotten
After the Conquest. But common sense
Might have suggested, had I possess'd it,
That skipping about from line to line,
From meter to meter's confusing; hence
I think I'll stop it. (And isn't it time?)

Yeah, I write poetry, but the above is an attack of insanity, not poetry. I used to be a programmer/analyst; I'm planning on doing some 3D graphics work; I'm a weak atheist; you can find me at IIDB, but I'm probably not too noticeable.

[maddog]

Although I responded first on a different thread, let me say here:

Welcome, TransverseWave!

#725

[Sweetie]

I really enjoyed that poem TW, I'm not kidding, that was way cool. :yup:

But ummmm........why? :P

Well........why? :chin:

How do you know that? :dunno:



:slide:

[TransverseWave]

I really enjoyed that poem TW, I'm not kidding, that was way cool. :yup:

But ummmm........why? :P

Well........why? :chin:
Temporary insanity.

...

It is too temporary!

How do you know that? :dunno:
What, you want me to footnote it? :P

[Sweetie]

Temporary insanity.

...

It is too temporary!

Haha.

I've been singing Billy Joel a little bit lately. :D

You may be right
I may be crazy
But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for
It's too late to fight
It's too late to change me
You may be wrong for all I know
But you may be right

:slide:


What, you want me to footnote it? :P

:plotting:

Methinks it will distract you for awhile while I hatch my evil plan. :muahaha:

[Crumb]

Love that song. :1thumbup:

[Sweetie]

"I might be as crazy as you say
If I'm crazy then it's true
That it's all because of you
And you wouldn't want me any other way"

:hands1:

[TransverseWave]

:plotting:

Methinks it will distract you for awhile while I hatch my evil plan. :muahaha:
:hide:

[Sweetie]

:hide:

Ohhhh yes, be afraid, be very afraid. :muahaha:

[Sweetie]

Watch out!



:glomp:

[Sweetie]

Soooo, today I am transformed into an agnostic, and a charming one at that. :suave:

Any takers?

[beyelzu]

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[maddog]

Soooo, today I am transformed into an agnostic, and a charming one at that. :suave:

Any takers?
Someone might in a new thread, where the rules of the game were explained.

#733

[Sweetie]

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Someone might in a new thread, where the rules of the game were explained.



Well yes, but its not for everybody. If someone is to take, for instance, the Christian position, I don't want it to be about them presenting a parody or even perpetual strawmen arguments which sound like Christianity, but aren't what I know as Christianity and therefore, it would be hard to discuss.

TransverseWave is eloquent, educated and informed on the matter, and respectful so she is someone I enjoy discussing things like this with.

[maddog]

Someone might in a new thread, where the rules of the game were explained.


Well yes, but it[']s not for everybody. If someone is to take, for instance, the Christian position, I don't want it to be about them presenting a parody or even perpetual strawmen arguments which sound like Christianity, but aren't what I know as Christianity and therefore, it would be hard to discuss.

TransverseWave is eloquent, educated and informed on the matter, and respectful so she is someone I enjoy discussing things like this with.

Those rules could be explained in the new thread where the game is to be played, though, right? You only want to play if the other(s) will "play nice"? although I'm now confused. When you said, "any takers?" that's not really what you meant? It was an invitation only to one person in particular?
#734

[Shake]

Welcome, TW! I recognize the name from IIDB. I also think it's a pretty cool name.

Watch out!
No, these are the ones to watch out for:
:alienglomp: OR :zombieglomp:

[TransverseWave]

Those rules could be explained in the new thread where the game is to be played, though, right? You only want to play if the other(s) will "play nice"? although I'm now confused. When you said, "any takers?" that's not really what you meant? It was an invitation only to one person in particular?

She's talking about something we once engaged in on Christian Forums, back when I was willing to post there: a reverse debate thread. That is to say, a thread where everyone defends a position opposed to the one they actually hold. The exercise is at its most useful and interesting when one assumes that those who hold one's temporarily assumed viewpoint mean well and are arguing in good faith, and makes a serious attempt to defend the position.

The last time we did this, Sweetie defended weak atheism (which is my position) and I defended conservative Christianity, as understood by someone of Protestant background who was leaning toward the apostolic churches. It was enlightening, in that, having been raised evangelical, I found myself putting forth some of the same arguments I used to employ when I was a Christian; and I was startled to realize how much more compelling they had seemed when I had had an emotional conviction of the truth of Christianity.

Since nothing much has happened in the past couple of years to change the way I'd attempt to defend conservative Christianity, I think if I did it again I'd probably go further out on a limb and attempt to defend liberal Christianity instead.

I have no objection to debating religion or philosophy with anyone who'll keep it civil, whether we're going at it frontwards or backwards, although there is a limited amount of time I can devote to it.

[beyelzu]

well, i am always down for a good debate, but as a metaphysical naturalist, i dont know how much we would debate :)


plus people think i am irritating/scary or some shit sometimes :tmgrin:



but those are my good points.

[Sweetie]

She's talking about something we once engaged in on Christian Forums, back when I was willing to post there: a reverse debate thread. That is to say, a thread where everyone defends a position opposed to the one they actually hold. The exercise is at its most useful and interesting when one assumes that those who hold one's temporarily assumed viewpoint mean well and are arguing in good faith, and makes a serious attempt to defend the position.

The last time we did this, Sweetie defended weak atheism (which is my position) and I defended conservative Christianity, as understood by someone of Protestant background who was leaning toward the apostolic churches. It was enlightening, in that, having been raised evangelical, I found myself putting forth some of the same arguments I used to employ when I was a Christian; and I was startled to realize how much more compelling they had seemed when I had had an emotional conviction of the truth of Christianity.

Since nothing much has happened in the past couple of years to change the way I'd attempt to defend conservative Christianity, I think if I did it again I'd probably go further out on a limb and attempt to defend liberal Christianity instead.

I have no objection to debating religion or philosophy with anyone who'll keep it civil, whether we're going at it frontwards or backwards, although there is a limited amount of time I can devote to it.

Its like, not only have I not been advancing in learning these things in the last year, I've been regressing from lack of using what I knew.

And its so risky in an unmoderated environment where you're surrounded by people and arguments that would have been cut almost anywhere else. :dunno:

Up to you, if you're interested, I'm game. I'll think more on what position I would like to argue, but I might just have to form one as we went because I'm always better at defense than offense, adapting instead of putting forward. I am the movie Platoon, donchaknow. :bowing:

:P

[TransverseWave]

And its so risky in an unmoderated environment where you're surrounded by people and arguments that would have been cut almost anywhere else. :dunno:
Believe it or not, that's where I learned to debate: an unmoderated Usenet group. It was set up to host flamewars, but discussion broke out. We managed by use of the killfile, public censure and killfiling of people who were excessively rude to other posters, and a list of a few things never to say.

It worked well for a few years, until the group developed an orthodoxy, and split into defenders of the orthodox position and dissidents. Once there was an Us vs. Them situation, our old informal practices did not suffice to maintain civility. The group eventually died, partly of testiness and partly because we'd also developed an incomprehensible jargon that tended to keep newcomers from participating.

I don't see it as anyone else's job to keep me from saying things that will cause friction, thereby making it more likely that exchanges will be uncivil rather than civil. It's mine. Of course, if not enough people are also attempting civility, then my ignore list becomes too long, and I quit attempting to hold discussions in that venue.

Up to you, if you're interested, I'm game. I'll think more on what position I would like to argue, but I might just have to form one as we went because I'm always better at defense than offense, adapting instead of putting forward. I am the movie Platoon, donchaknow. :bowing:

:P
I'm suffering from the temptation to try to find the daftest position I think I can get away with arguing for.

[Sweetie]

Believe it or not, that's where I learned to debate: an unmoderated Usenet group.

I learned at CF.

It was set up to host flamewars, but discussion broke out. We managed by use of the killfile, public censure and killfiling of people who were excessively rude to other posters, and a list of a few things never to say.

Did you manage to handle harassment that way and did the ignore feature actually work? :P

I don't see it as anyone else's job to keep me from saying things that will cause friction, thereby making it more likely that exchanges will be uncivil rather than civil. It's mine. Of course, if not enough people are also attempting civility, then my ignore list becomes too long, and I quit attempting to hold discussions in that venue.

Yeah. I just find it six of one, half dozen of the other, not clearly one way or the other here.



I'm suffering from the temptation to try to find the daftest position I think I can get away with arguing for.

:nope:

[TransverseWave]

Did you manage to handle harassment that way and did the ignore feature actually work? :P
Well enough most of the time, until near the end of the group's life. No, it didn't ignore quotes of people I was ignoring: Usenet killfiles don't work that way either. Of course, being exceedingly bad-tempered at the best of the times, and that not having been the best of times, I exiled myself occasionally and came back when my disposition improved.

It's OK when the number of people set on behaving like boors is small compared to the number of people posting; then ignoring the boors doesn't usually leave too many holes in the flow of discussion.

In General Apologetics at CF, it is not the the case that the number of people behaving like boors, or simply posting viewpoints so idiotic that I find them annoying to contemplate, is small with respect to the total number of posters, so this tactic doesn't serve well enough there.

I've just kicked myself off IIDB and another forum by setting my password to something thoroughly unmemorable and not writing it down. I'll probably have forgotten it in 2-3 weeks, if I don't use it. I'm not in that bad a mood, but there are other things I really need to be concentrating on.

[Shake]

It was set up to host flamewars, but discussion broke out.
That reminds me of the old line, "I went to the fights last night, and a hockey game broke out!" :chuckle: