Debate 3: If Hate Were People, I'd Be China

[livius drusus]

Bush's smirk is in fine fettle tonight, I'll tell you whut. His response to Kerry nailing him on Osama was to snicker and stammer some lying crap about "Huh huh... That was one of those... "exaggerations". Huh huh..."

Damn. He just keeps looking more and more retarded.

[freemonkey]

Damn. He just keeps looking more and more retarded.
Yes..... I swear its like a SNL skit, and would be hilarious if it weren't so fucking scary.

[livius drusus]

It's "pay as you go" not "paygo", you dimwit.

[livius drusus]

"Being lectured by the President on fiscal discipline is like being lectured by Tony Soprano on law and order."

:rofl:

[livius drusus]

OMG he's interrupting again! Flat, flat, flat joke about Ted Kennedy. I can't believe how much Bush sucks.

[SharonDee]

Wait a damned minute. I could have sworn that Bush did say something like, "I'm not worried about Osama right now." Did Kerry make that up? Or do both he and I have faulty memories? :?

Edit: Duh (http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=22012002-034743-1472r)

[livius drusus]

Yup he said it alright.

OMG. "Huh huh... I sure hope it's not the administration! Yuk yuk." :banghead:

[livius drusus]

Buggy and horse days... Non ho parole.

[freemonkey]

Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrghhhhhh! I hate him!

[livius drusus]

Yes.

[LadyShea]

That defensive little laugh is like a frickin' 3 year old

[livius drusus]

I knew I'd have been better off watching the Hip Hop Awards.

[freemonkey]

:techno: :djparty:

[livius drusus]

Aww, thanks freemonkey... It's almost as good as being there.

[ApostateAbe]

It's "pay as you go" not "paygo", you dimwit. PAYGO is an acronym for "pay as you go."

[livius drusus]

Wouldn't it be PAYG in that case?

[Scotty]

[NOT OT] Hey, my wife got her grooming (dog grooming) truck finished. We had an engineer that builds yacht interiors build the inside, and it shows. Just fantastic looking, almost afraid to get it dirty. I attached an in progress picture [/NOT OT]

I recorded this debate from CSPAN-1 this time. It was on, but I wasn't listening to it except occasionally to laugh or cry.

So, what does it take to start your own country?

-Scott

[Dingfod]

No, he was talking about invading Pago-pago.

[livius drusus]

[NOT OT] Hey, my wife got her grooming (dog grooming) truck finished. We had an engineer that builds yacht interiors build the inside, and it shows. Just fantastic looking, almost afraid to get it dirty. I attached an in progress picture [/NOT OT]

That's in a truck?! Holy shit, Scotty, it's extra-fancy. I hope you post pics of the finished product.

Hey, how's this for a slogan: Pet grooming that delivers.

[ApostateAbe]

Wouldn't it be PAYG in that case? Not necessarily. Sometimes acronyms neglect the consistency that is characteristic of abbreviations for the sake of a catchy phrase.

http://www.c-span.org/guide/congress/glossary/paygo.htm

[Dingfod]

That's nice, use an acronym that 95% of America never heard of before. The rest of us just thought it was just one more goofy thing to come from the earpiece in Dubya's ear to his mouth.

[livius drusus]

Wouldn't it be PAYG in that case? Not necessarily. Sometimes acronyms neglect the consistency that is characteristic of abbreviations for the sake of a catchy phrase.

http://www.c-span.org/guide/congress/glossary/paygo.htm

Fair enough. I stand corrected on the acronym. Not on the dimwit thing, though. ;)

[Jewels]

Well, i watched every single heart wrenching minute, and again i think Kerry won. Bush lied all over the place, and i probley didnt catch them all. The biggest was the Osama lie. Did anyone notice how evasive he was, and everytime he didnt want to answer a question, he moved on to education. For christ sake, he answerd the Minimum wage question with education. He answerd the job loss with education. (but he sure didnt answer the how the very educated people that are losing their jobs will get new ones)

I declare
Kerry 3
Bush 0

Now if those fucking undecided would use their brains and vote for the smart one, we will all be ok!!!

[Scotty]

[NOT OT] Hey, my wife got her grooming (dog grooming) truck finished. We had an engineer that builds yacht interiors build the inside, and it shows. Just fantastic looking, almost afraid to get it dirty. I attached an in progress picture [/NOT OT]

That's in a truck?! Holy shit, Scotty, it's extra-fancy. I hope you post pics of the finished product.

Hey, how's this for a slogan: Pet grooming that delivers.

Good slogan. It is just fantastic, can't tell you how happy we are. It cost a lot, but not as much as some of the higher end grooming vans (emphasis on van) you can buy. She already has two appointments tomorrow.

I am also going over to http://www.radiodelilah.com/ this gals place tomorrow to install some computers (we are doing a deal with her for her own "click to give" website, and she gets an audience of 7 million), so maybe I will plug my wifes business then :)

The truck is an Isuzu NPR, so not small, but just right (said moma bear).

-Scott

edit: tired, can't spell, forgive us livius sweetie sugarkins?

[Goliath]

Bush's smirk is in fine fettle tonight, I'll tell you whut. His response to Kerry nailing him on Osama was to snicker and stammer some lying crap about "Huh huh... That was one of those... "exaggerations". Huh huh..."

Damn. He just keeps looking more and more retarded.

Yes, but to those retards, I say "here's some help. Go get an education. Our no child left behind act ensures that ours chidrun know how to add n subrtract and multiply an divide."

There's a valuable debate strategy: instead of answering questions, ramble on about an educational act that was well-intentioned but severely underfunded. Asshole. :fuming:

[Goliath]

I knew I'd have been better off watching the Hip Hop Awards.

Better that than American Bandstand. That was so..that was......from..the horse and buggy days!

:D

[livius drusus]

Now, now, Goliath. That buggy and horse days. Everyone knows that. :giggle:

[Goliath]

I think this was another win for Kerry. In fact, if I were gay, I'd say that it was a sweaty, ass-pounding win for Kerry (and yes, I'm in kind of a goofy mood right now).

I think he scored major points when he brought up the unequal pay between men and women (which Dubya didn't address), and I can't believe that Bush so bluntly disregarded the question of whether he'd overturn Roe v. Wade.

I was watching a bit of CNN, and even Dubya's senior campaign hag wouldn't answer the question as to whether or not Bush would want to overturn Roe v. Wade...she just spewed out the same crap about judges and litmus tests.

[Goliath]

Now, now, Goliath. That buggy and horse days. Everyone knows that. :giggle:

Sorry, I was puting the buggy before the cart.

:D

[pzmyers]

Kerry cleaned the smirking idiot's clock, and there's going to be more smackin' the chimp around when people start looking at all the lies he used as substitutes for facts and figures.

And some of the evasions were glaring. Kerry comes right out and says he's for raising the minimum wage to $7; moron Bush is opposed to it, but knows he can't say so, so he weebles on about NCLB.

Something different: Bob Schieffer was a smarmy annoyance. He wasn't as bad as the second moderator, but jeez...that question about "faith". The debate was boring enough without inviting the two to start babbling nonsense. And the question about "strong women": total suckup.

[Lauri D]

Hats off to the thread title.... :tiphat2:

Dear God, the laugh... "heh, heh, heh"... the President doing a fucking Beavis impression (or is it Butthead? That would be SO much more appropriate...)

:banghead:

[Shake]

Bush's smirk is in fine fettle tonight, I'll tell you whut. His response to Kerry nailing him on Osama was to snicker and stammer some lying crap about "Huh huh... That was one of those... "exaggerations". Huh huh..."

Damn. He just keeps looking more and more retarded.

Yes, but to those retards, I say "here's some help. Go get an education. Our no child left behind act ensures that ours chidrun know how to add n subrtract and multiply an divide."

There's a valuable debate strategy: instead of answering questions, ramble on about an educational act that was well-intentioned but severely underfunded. Asshole. :fuming:
Howzat line go? If you can't impress them with intelligence, baffle 'em with bullshit!

Bush might have been better off using the Chewbacca defense*! :wink:

*gratuitous South Park reference

[The Lone Ranger]

Bush might have been better off using the Chewbacca defense*! :wink:

*gratuitous South Park reference

Okay, I'll bite. What's the Chewbacca defense?

Have mercy on us Luddites who don't watch television.)

[Ymir's blood]

Bush might have been better off using the Chewbacca defense*! :wink:

*gratuitous South Park reference

Okay, I'll bite. What's the Chewbacca defense?

Have mercy on us Luddites who don't watch television.)
I'm guess it has something to do with the holographic chess match from Star Wars: "Let the wookie win" :wookie:

[The Lone Ranger]

I'm guess it has something to do with the holographic chess match from Star Wars: "Let the wookie win" :wookie:

Did Bush threaten to rip Kerry's arms out of their sockets? Now I'd sorry I missed the debates!


Come to think of it, Bush is about as articulate as a Wookie.

Cheers,

Michael

[Blake]

Heh. No. The Chewbacca defense is quite simple: Johnnie Cochrane (in the fictitious South Park universe, of course), gets up and replies to the plaintiffs' open-and-shut case by showing the jury a picture of Chewbacca. He says, "Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, this is a picture of Chewbacca." He rhetorically asks why he's talking about Chewbacca, when he's defending a man on trial for his life, then answers it by heatedly declaring that it "makes no SENSE!" He talks a bit more about Chewbacca, then comes back to the case, this courtroom, nay our entire society, screaming now that none of it makes any sense. "So, in conclusion, if Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit." They always do. Such is the power of Johnnie Cochrane.

South Park is available on DVD, y'know.

[Nil Desperandum]

Howzat line go? If you can't impress them with intelligence, baffle 'em with bullshit!

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

[lisarea]

Ha HA! YAY!!!

So, I was too burned out last night after the debate to even think about this shit again for a while. I put a pie meme into the ODB, so he went and got us some pies, and we watched stories on TV that didn't have anything to do with real stuff.

But I am very glad that others did indeed notice the fact that Bush thinks those of us who can't find work in the tech sector need fucking HEAD START because we probably can't "read, write, add, and subtract."

This coming from a man who would be living in a wet cardboard box in any kind of merit-based system.

He thinks we're ILLITERATE. He thinks people can't get jobs because they're STUPID. STUPIDER EVEN THAN HIM.

Every single person who has faced or is facing the possibility of layoffs, or has had a hard time finding work in the new economy, needs to have this point driven home to them over and over and over: George W. Bush cannot even begin to grasp the realities of your problems. He thinks you can't find work because YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ.

Every time I think, "OK. That's it. He's reached the pinnacle. Short of personally committing mass genocide, there is nothing this man could do to make me hate him any more," he somehow manages to do it. I give up. And in the lowest deep a lower deep, still threatening to devour me, opens wide, to which the hell I suffer seems a heaven.

Fire him. Fire the fucker.

[Dingfod]

I remember a decade ago when us good-for-nothing uneducated workers were admonished that our future was limited if we didn't get ourselves trained for the coming high tech revolution. Many did. Now, where did that lead? I know more people with advanced computer training that are out of work than I do people that used to work in manufacturing. Hmmm, if high tech jobs aren't where it's at, what is? $5.15 an hour service industry jobs or $8 an hour telemarketing jobs seems to be pretty much all that has much in the way of openings lately.

[beyelzu]

Howzat line go? If you can't impress them with intelligence, baffle 'em with bullshit!

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
I always heard it as

If you cant bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.


which increases the alliteration .

[wade-w]

Howzat line go? If you can't impress them with intelligence, baffle 'em with bullshit!

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
I always heard it as

If you cant bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.


which increases the alliteration .

"Bedazzle" sounds like an excellent candidate for the Words You Hate (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=491) thread.

I've always heard the version Nil cited. And it never really made sense to me. After all, if you aren't smart enough to dazzle them with brilliance(whoever "they" are), then why should you expect to be able to baffle them with bullshit?

[Nil Desperandum]

The idea is to "baffle" them, i.e. overhwhelm them with enough information/redundant data/meaningless crap, to accomplish the means of completely and utterly confusing them. Ever gone over someone's head and just caused them to give up because they don't get it?

In this way, you save face for being ignorant and/or arrogant by being... well, ignorant and arrogant. :P

[Dingfod]

I know a lot of the baffle 'em with bullshit types, they go on and on about shit they don't know anything about, but as long as they say it with authority, most people either believe them or just go "Huh?". It is more difficult to dazzle 'em with brilliance, but extremely difficult to dazzle 'em with bullshit, it just doesn't work very well.

[Shake]

Howzat line go? If you can't impress them with intelligence, baffle 'em with bullshit!

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
I always heard it as

If you cant bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.


which increases the alliteration .

"Bedazzle" sounds like an excellent candidate for the Words You Hate (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=491) thread.

I've always heard the version Nil cited. And it never really made sense to me. After all, if you aren't smart enough to dazzle them with brilliance(whoever "they" are), then why should you expect to be able to baffle them with bullshit?
Yeah, I couldn't quite remember it. I thought it was alliterative, but didn't think it was all "b"s.

Thanks.

[Godless Dave]

I know a lot of the baffle 'em with bullshit types, they go on and on about shit they don't know anything about, but as long as they say it with authority, most people either believe them or just go "Huh?".
You can actually get formal training in this technique. It's called an MBA program.

[wade-w]

The idea is to "baffle" them, i.e. overhwhelm them with enough information/redundant data/meaningless crap, to accomplish the means of completely and utterly confusing them. Ever gone over someone's head and just caused them to give up because they don't get it?

In this way, you save face for being ignorant and/or arrogant by being... well, ignorant and arrogant. :P

I'm well aware of the strategy involved. My point is that if you aren't smart enough to to dazzle them, you're probably not going to be able to pull off the alternative.