Wolcott on the Coulter Pie Incident

[livius drusus]

In case you hadn't heard, Ann Coulter recently got pied (http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&story_id=102204a1_coulter) in Arizona. James Wolcott's blog entry (http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2004/10/feets_do_ya_stu.php) on the incident cracks me up.

Ann Coulter may be a travesty of humanity, as unacceptable a hank of flesh draped on a hanger ever to be foisted upon an ignorant populace hungry for more ignorance. Her racism, her character slurs, her whirlwind talent for rewriting history, her ability to leave a glossy coat of slime on any issue she discusses (when she licks a stamp, it curls up and dies), these are condemnable.

But credit where credit is due. The skank can shift ass on a dime.

[LadyXoc]

Waste of a good pie. I saw a caption somewhere that said the only way to unmake her was to throw her back into Mount Doom.

[livius drusus]

It's just cool whip on a plate, so not really good pie, per se.

[Roland98]

Waste of a good pie. I saw a caption somewhere that said the only way to unmake her was to throw her back into Mount Doom.

I love that.

[Ymir's blood]

Waste of a good pie. I saw a caption somewhere that said the only way to unmake her was to throw her back into Mount Doom.

I love that.
Fark?

[beyelzu]

sometimes I forget what a stupid evil bitch anne coulter is

and then I read something like this

"invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."


damn, that's fucked up

[ApostateAbe]

She also repeated the line that she has been most criticized for, saying U.S. policy in the Middle East should be to "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." I would love to hear her explain her preferred method of converting them to Christianity after their government is overthrown.

[Socratoad]

The person who threw the pie should rot in jail.

I have fond memories of innovative uses for coolwhip and anyone who would so belittle this versatile product on that slimy non-entity with an overly large mouth and correspondingly small brain, needs to have the book thrown at them.

SO THERE :fuming:

[ApostateAbe]

Here is the video of the incident: http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/coulter.html

[seebs]

I am not fond of the whole "hitting people with pies" thing. I mean, not to say Coulter's not pretty scummy, but... I dunno. I don't like felony assault charges for something obviously not meant to cause real harm, but I don't like people attacking others even with non-lethal weapons.

[ApostateAbe]

I am not fond of the whole "hitting people with pies" thing. I mean, not to say Coulter's not pretty scummy, but... I dunno. I don't like felony assault charges for something obviously not meant to cause real harm, but I don't like people attacking others even with non-lethal weapons. You said it, seebs, you don't help your cause when you make a victim of your opponents.

[viscousmemories]

I am not fond of the whole "hitting people with pies" thing. I mean, not to say Coulter's not pretty scummy, but... I dunno. I don't like felony assault charges for something obviously not meant to cause real harm, but I don't like people attacking others even with non-lethal weapons.
I thought about that for a while today after I watched the video linked in this thread. I'm not a big fan of it either. I believe in free speech, and it seems like physical attacks, however impotent, put restrictions on that freedom. Besides that it just seems cruel. The first and only time I ever felt sympathy for Bill Gates, for example, was when I saw the look of abject terror in his face when he was pied in France. I'm sure he thought he was in for much worse.

But then I think... yeah but it's just a pie. It's probably scary and disturbing, and it does inhibit someones ability to speak freely for a time, but then things return to normal, no permanent damage is done (ideally) and perhaps an important point has been made.

In the end, though, I guess I don't think it's cool. Assault is assault. I really don't think people should have to fear physical attacks when speaking freely in a country that prizes free speech as highly as we do. Still, neither would I like to see a pie thrower get a felonious assault charge.

[livius drusus]

I rather like the pieing practice. Its slapstick history and total harmlessness make it a rather effective protest, I think. Had we not had a centuries old tradition of pie-in-the-face humor I might not find it so endearing. As it is, however, I just can't help but love a good pie in the face.

[beyelzu]

I rather like the pieing practice. Its slapstick history and total harmlessness make it a rather effective protest, I think. Had we not had a centuries old tradition of pie-in-the-face humor I might not find it so endearing. As it is, however, I just can't help but love a good pie in the face.
In this vein, I would like to bring back the famous Stooge's eyepoke for Coulter. :D What do you think?

The problem is history or not, if someone random person pied me, I would probably respond with violence. White pieing maybe humorous, and believe me I thought it was funny as hell, it is still assault. By attacking someone even in such a harmless fashion, you take the conflict out of the verbal realm and move it to the physical.

I am probably biased on this because I cant stand for strangers to touch me. I have a highly defined sense of personal space. I figure i would have gone ballistic in a similar situation.

[livius drusus]

In this vein, I would like to bring back the famous Stooge's eyepoke for Coulter. :D What do you think?

I think you're a tease. :P

The problem is history or not, if someone random person pied me, I would probably respond with violence. White pieing maybe humorous, and believe me I thought it was funny as hell, it is still assault. By attacking someone even in such a harmless fashion, you take the conflict out of the verbal realm and move it to the physical.

That makes sense. It is a marked escalation of conflict, and with all my blather about polarized discourse, I should probably reject pieing as well. :deepsigh:

I am probably biased on this because I cant stand for strangers to touch me. I have a highly defined sense of personal space. I figure i would have gone ballistic in a similar situation.

I kinda figure you would have ducked, but I take your point nonetheless.

[LadyXoc]

Waste of a good pie. I saw a caption somewhere that said the only way to unmake her was to throw her back into Mount Doom.

I love that.
Fark?


Yes! Thank you. I found the link again. :cool:

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1180114

[beyelzu]

That makes sense. It is a marked escalation of conflict, and with all my blather about polarized discourse, I should probably reject pieing as well. :deepsigh:
well it can be hard to reject something that is that funny. and truly, when I watched the video I was kind of sad when they missed, because it would have been even funnier if they had hit her. Something else to consider is the difference between tv and real life. We see it on tv and its funny as hell, but if you were actually there and saw two men running for her, what would you think?

I kinda figure you would have ducked, but I take your point nonetheless.
I dont think I have sense enough to duck, I think I would wait and then return fire, but I have never had a pie thrown at me, thus I dont really know. :D

[livius drusus]

Something else to consider is the difference between tv and real life. We see it on tv and its funny as hell, but if you were actually there and saw two men running for her, what would you think?

That's a good point. I would definitely fear violence.

I dont think I have sense enough to duck, I think I would wait and then return fire, but I have never had a pie thrown at me, thus I dont really know. :D

Return fire? You'd have to carry aliminum plates and whipped cream canisters with you at all times. :D

[Socratoad]

Yeah, I suppose it would be a little more magnanimous of me to condemn pie-throwing in general. and yet in this case and a few others that spring to mind methinks not ....... When a hatemonger such as Coulter has pretty much been given a free ride to disseminate her own special brand of hate and intolerance, then I see nothing wrong with mere plebeians given a tiny platform via pie-throwing. But then again Toad observes from a different angle.

[beyelzu]

Yeah, I suppose it would be a little more magnanimous of me to condemn pie-throwing in general. and yet in this case and a few others that spring to mind methinks not ....... When a hatemonger such as Coulter has pretty much been given a free ride to disseminate her own special brand of hate and intolerance, then I see nothing wrong with mere plebeians given a tiny platform via pie-throwing. But then again Toad observes from a different angle.
I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it-Voltaire


I despise Coulter, but she does have freedom of free expression, even if she is a monstrous cunt.

[Shake]

Wow! Check out the commentary here (http://themoderatevoice.typepad.com/blog/2004/10/one_thing_about.html).

Perhaps a better way to embarrass her would be to publish some of her beliefs (quoted by Rob in the above link) and use them to get her off the air.

[beyelzu]

"If you wanted to teach people about the great things about America, a college campus is the last place you’d send them. Even fanatical Muslim terrorists don’t hate America like liberals do." Ann Coulter -- CPAC conference, 2002

"I don't know, how about ... NO ARABS?" -- Ann Coulter's "Would Mohamed Atta object to armed pilots?" 5/30/02

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism." -- MSNBC 2/8/97

(talking to a disabled Vietnam vet) "People like you caused us to lose that war." -- MSNBC
fuck, I really despise this kind of rhetoric.

[livius drusus]

From Shake's link: (talking to a disabled Vietnam vet) "People like you caused us to lose that war."

Just when I thought she couldn't sink any lower...

[Socratoad]

Yeah, I suppose it would be a little more magnanimous of me to condemn pie-throwing in general. and yet in this case and a few others that spring to mind methinks not ....... When a hatemonger such as Coulter has pretty much been given a free ride to disseminate her own special brand of hate and intolerance, then I see nothing wrong with mere plebeians given a tiny platform via pie-throwing. But then again Toad observes from a different angle.
I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it-Voltaire


I despise Coulter, but she does have freedom of free expression, even if she is a monstrous cunt.


Hard to argue with what you have said, but still not even Voltaire could have imagined the hate spewed by Mr. Hitler in his many early beer-hall rants.

What we have here is a clash between ideals that we all admire, and the cold scary light of reality.

[beyelzu]

From Shake's link: (talking to a disabled Vietnam vet) "People like you caused us to lose that war."

Just when I thought she couldn't sink any lower...
yeah, that one brought me up short as well. I cant even imagine a context that would make it less deplorable.

[viscousmemories]

Something else to consider is the difference between tv and real life. We see it on tv and its funny as hell, but if you were actually there and saw two men running for her, what would you think?
If the target was the President, you'd think: "Why did the Secret Service just shoot those two kids?"

[Socratoad]

I guess that I do not see pieing someone like Coulter as a prevention of her rights to 'free speech as I see it as an incident that tends to diminish the hateful impact of her words by the introduction of a little levity into the scene.

Hence my earlier comment about Hitler. If perhaps some people had thrown a few pies then a few more Germans would not have taken his speeches with so much gravity and seriousness.

In short: I shall defend to my death the right to throw pies :yup:

Ideals without context can become very dangerous ......methinks :chin:

[Dingfod]

The day that Ann Coulter gets Secret Service protection is the day I'm leaving this country. [Alec Baldwin mode off]

[Socratoad]

The day that Ann Coulter gets Secret Service protection is the day I'm leaving this country. [Alec Baldwin mode off]

Unless of course the pricks are wearing brown shirts so that we might more easily recognize them

[viscousmemories]

I guess that I do not see pieing someone like Coulter as a prevention of her rights to 'free speech as I see it as an incident that tends to diminish the hateful impact of her words by the introduction of a little levity into the scene.
The problem is when you defend the right of people to assault Ann Coulter during her speeches, you in turn support the right of right-wing fanatics to assault the people you'd prefer to hear speaking. If people start throwing pies at speakers willy-nilly, how long will it take before they're throwing other things. And how long after that before public speeches just stop happening?

[beyelzu]

I guess that I do not see pieing someone like Coulter as a prevention of her rights to 'free speech as I see it as an incident that tends to diminish the hateful impact of her words by the introduction of a little levity into the scene.
The problem is when you defend the right of people to assault Ann Coulter during her speeches, you in turn support the right of right-wing fanatics to assault the people you'd prefer to hear speaking. If people start throwing pies at speakers willy-nilly, how long will it take before they're throwing other things. And how long after that before public speeches just stop happening?

actually a great example for this is throwing blood at people entering an abortion clinic. no real harm just like the pies, but incredibly fucked up nontheless.

[Socratoad]

I guess that I do not see pieing someone like Coulter as a prevention of her rights to 'free speech as I see it as an incident that tends to diminish the hateful impact of her words by the introduction of a little levity into the scene.
The problem is when you defend the right of people to assault Ann Coulter during her speeches, you in turn support the right of right-wing fanatics to assault the people you'd prefer to hear speaking. If people start throwing pies at speakers willy-nilly, how long will it take before they're throwing other things. And how long after that before public speeches just stop happening?

actually a great example for this is throwing blood at people entering an abortion clinic. no real harm just like the pies, but incredibly fucked up nontheless.

Well guys it certainly is not my wish to argue just for arguments sake, so I hope that you will forgive me if I do not equate the time honoured concept of pie-throwing with throwing blood. :(

[viscousmemories]

actually a great example for this is throwing blood at people entering an abortion clinic. no real harm just like the pies, but incredibly fucked up nontheless.
That is fucked up. I didn't realize people do that. :(

[Shake]

That is fucked up. I didn't realize people do that. :(
I didn't either, but oddly, I'm not all that surprised.

[viscousmemories]

Well guys it certainly is not my wish to argue just for arguments sake, so I hope that you will forgive me if I do not equate the time honoured concept of pie-throwing with throwing blood. :(
Is there really a time-honored concept in this country of throwing pies in the face of public speakers? I know it's common in slapstick comedies, but at political functions? I don't mind at all if you reject the analogy of blood throwing, but I'd still be interested in your response to my point that endorsing such activity when the target is Ann Coulter means endorsing it when the target is someone else. How would you feel if John Kerry got a pie thrown in his face every time he tried to speak in public during this campaign and Bush didn't? Would you not feel that democracy was being undermined?

[beyelzu]

That is fucked up. I didn't realize people do that. :(
I didn't either, but oddly, I'm not all that surprised.
iirc, it has happened, I dont think it is a regular occurrence. or anything.

Police arrested 16 people from the Christian Defense Coalition for demonstrating without a permit and another anti-abortion protester for throwing ink-filled plastic eggs at rally signs.

from http://www.ppslr.org/Media/Articles/04April_26.htm

I couldnt find anything about abortion protesters throwing blood, but anti fur people have and evidentally so have aids activists. I was sure I had heard a news bit about it a few years ago, but I couldnt find anything.

still ink would be very comparable to the pie in the face.

[Socratoad]

Well guys it certainly is not my wish to argue just for arguments sake, so I hope that you will forgive me if I do not equate the time honoured concept of pie-throwing with throwing blood. :(
Is there really a time-honoured concept in this country of throwing pies in the face of public speakers? I know it's common in slapstick comedies, but at political functions? I don't mind at all if you reject the analogy of blood throwing, but I'd still be interested in your response to my point that endorsing such activity when the target is Ann Coulter means endorsing it when the target is someone else. How would you feel if John Kerry got a pie thrown in his face every time he tried to speak in public during this campaign and Bush didn't? Would you not feel that democracy was being undermined?


OK friend, point well made, and so I accept your reasoning.

Please forgive me (a Third Reich amateur historian) if my judgement becomes more than just a little clouded ....... For when I picture secret service persons protecting the speeches of Coulter ...... then a picture of the Brownshirts protecting the speeches of Adolf Hitler in his early days spring instantly to mind.

Some of the hate Coulter spews is not unlike that spewed by Hitler, and yet among the twenty-some odd million people slaughtered were many of those who protected his right to speak ....... this is not intended to be a reasoned argument, but rather an attempt to explain just what colours my judgement
in this case and ever so many others.

My value system has been firmly formed by the events of WW11 and my proximity to that time much more than almost all of you on the internet, and so over a period of time I have found that my perceptions and those I meet on the net, although not profound, are subtly different.

Regretly this has ofttimes led to misunderstandings.

[beyelzu]

Well guys it certainly is not my wish to argue just for arguments sake, so I hope that you will forgive me if I do not equate the time honoured concept of pie-throwing with throwing blood. :(
Is there really a time-honoured concept in this country of throwing pies in the face of public speakers? I know it's common in slapstick comedies, but at political functions? I don't mind at all if you reject the analogy of blood throwing, but I'd still be interested in your response to my point that endorsing such activity when the target is Ann Coulter means endorsing it when the target is someone else. How would you feel if John Kerry got a pie thrown in his face every time he tried to speak in public during this campaign and Bush didn't? Would you not feel that democracy was being undermined?


OK friend, point well made, and so I accept your reasoning.

Please forgive me (a Third Reich amateur historian) if my judgement becomes more than just a little clouded ....... For when I picture secret service persons protecting the speeches of Coulter ...... then a picture of the Brownshirts protecting the speeches of Adolf Hitler in his early days spring instantly to mind.

Some of the hate Coulter spews is not unlike that spewed by Hitler, and yet among the twenty-some odd million people slaughtered were many of those who protected his right to speak ....... this is not intended to be a reasoned argument, but rather an attempt to explain just what colours my judgement
in this case and ever so many others.

My value system has been firmly formed by the events of WW11 and the proximity to that time much more than almost all of you on the internet, and so over a period of time I have found that my perceptions and those I meet on the net, although not profound, are subtly different


I have to agree that Coulter is pretty much as bad as a neo-nazi. For me, I think all of the crap she spews is and should be constitutionally protected speech. I am very hesitant to okay censoring someone because, honestly, I am in a not so popular minority in america.

[Socratoad]

I have to agree that Coulter is pretty much as bad as a neo-nazi. For me, I think all of the crap she spews is and should be constitutionally protected speech. I am very hesitant to okay censoring someone because, honestly, I am in a not so popular minority in America.


Point well taken and agreed with. This a conundrum I know. Still on this subject I cannot even pretend to be objective ........ can't help but wish some unorthodox person had denied Hitler his rights.

[viscousmemories]

OK friend, point well made, and so I accept your reasoning.
Thanks. :)

Please forgive me (a Third Reich amateur historian) if my judgement becomes more than just a little clouded ....... For when I picture secret service persons protecting the speeches of Coulter ...... then a picture of the Brownshirts protecting the speeches of Adolf Hitler in his early days spring instantly to mind.

Some of the hate Coulter spews is not unlike that spewed by Hitler, and yet among the twenty-some odd million people slaughtered were many of those who protected his right to speak ....... this is not intended to be a reasoned argument, but rather an attempt to explain just what colours my judgement
in this case and ever so many others.
I actually have a lot of respect for that viewpoint and I am fascinated by the idea that free speech may be overrated (to put it very simplistically). In fact livius and I discussed free speech principles at length amongst ourselves and in various other fora as we were putting together the guidelines for this site. We are still thirsting for a good long hashing out of how to handle propaganda here, for example.

In other words because of our committment to free speech, we have no rule prohibiting the posting of hate propaganda here. We made that choice because we both subscribe to the belief oft touted by the ACLU that more speech is always better than no speech. Are we wrong? I won't speak for livius but I know I wonder about it a lot. I am not particularly interested in providing a medium for propagandists to spread their venom. At the same time, I honestly believe that hateful bias is neutralized by exposure to the light of public scrutiny, and nurtured by censorship.

My value system has been firmly formed by the events of WW11 and my proximity to that time much more than almost all of you on the internet, and so over a period of time I have found that my perceptions and those I meet on the net, although not profound, are subtly different.

Regretly this has ofttimes led to misunderstandings.
And given the importance of that historical period I'm overjoyed to have someone with your perspective on it and general openmindedness as a member here. I hope you don't ever misconstrue any disagreement I might have with your stated opinions as a character judgement. That isn't my intent.

[Socratoad]

OK friend, point well made, and so I accept your reasoning.
Thanks. :)

Please forgive me (a Third Reich amateur historian) if my judgement becomes more than just a little clouded ....... For when I picture secret service persons protecting the speeches of Coulter ...... then a picture of the Brownshirts protecting the speeches of Adolf Hitler in his early days spring instantly to mind.

Some of the hate Coulter spews is not unlike that spewed by Hitler, and yet among the twenty-some odd million people slaughtered were many of those who protected his right to speak ....... this is not intended to be a reasoned argument, but rather an attempt to explain just what colours my judgement
in this case and ever so many others.
I actually have a lot of respect for that viewpoint and I am fascinated by the idea that free speech may be overrated (to put it very simplistically). In fact livius and I discussed free speech principles at length amongst ourselves and in various other fora as we were putting together the guidelines for this site. We are still thirsting for a good long hashing out of how to handle propaganda here, for example.

In other words because of our committment to free speech, we have no rule prohibiting the posting of hate propaganda here. We made that choice because we both subscribe to the belief oft touted by the ACLU that more speech is always better than no speech. Are we wrong? I won't speak for livius but I know I wonder about it a lot. I am not particularly interested in providing a medium for propagandists to spread their venom. At the same time, I honestly believe that hateful bias is neutralized by exposure to the light of public scrutiny, and nurtured by censorship.

My value system has been firmly formed by the events of WW11 and my proximity to that time much more than almost all of you on the internet, and so over a period of time I have found that my perceptions and those I meet on the net, although not profound, are subtly different.

Regretfully this has ofttimes led to misunderstandings.
And given the importance of that historical period I'm overjoyed to have someone with your perspective on it and general open mindedness as a member here. I hope you don't ever misconstrue any disagreement I might have with your stated opinions as a character judgement. That isn't my intent.

Thank you for your most thoughtful post. It really helps when we all are able to feel comfortable enough to put all our cards face-up on the table, because in the long run it sure helps to diminish misunderstandings, and from time to time hurt feelings.

And so vm and Liv, we seem to have a stand-off here ..... for want of a better term I shall call it a mutual admiration society :wave:

PS: While I'm at it, another byproduct of my age is ofttimes missing a answered post do to my general slowness and so without intent I miss posts that should in all fairness and recognition have been answered. So if anyone goes to the trouble of answering a post by me only to have it seemingly ignored then please be assured it was not by intent.

[beyelzu]

Thank you for your most thoughtful post. It really helps when we all are able to feel comfortable enough to put all our cards face-up on the table, because in the long run it sure helps to diminish misunderstandings, and from time to time hurt feelings.

And so vm and Liv, we seem to have a stand-off here ..... for want of a better term I shall call it a mutual admiration society :wave:

PS: While I'm at it, another byproduct of my age is ofttimes missing a answered post do to my general slowness and so without intent I miss posts that should in all fairness and recognition have been answered. So if anyone goes to the trouble of answering a post by me only to have it seemingly ignored then please be assured it was not by intent.
I have some of questions, did you serve in ww2, as what and where?

I agree that being open is the easiest thing in the long run, because it results in less misunderstandings.

I think that when someone proposes evil, we must oppose it, but hat we should not escalate violence unless it is truly necessary. Should hitler have been opposed with force, in hindsight yes. Certainly, his laws making jews second class citizens should have been opposed. I think we should lambast and make fun of evil dipshits like coulter, but until she runs for office on a platform of lets kill the arabs, I dont think that we should do much more than heckle and of course never buy anything by her.

[Socratoad]

I was a little too young for WW11. I tried to enlist, but my grade three teacher told me to sit down and shut up :D

But to be serious for a moment: I was a canadian fighter pilot attached to NATO and mainly served in the south of Germany in the 1950s. Patrolling the border between the two Germanys. I actually got to exchange waves with the Russian MIG pilots patrolling the other side of the border many times. Although I also was a member of a aerobatic team that won the cup three years running against all other NATO teams, all the time I was in the service I never suffered so much as a scratch.

After becoming a civilian and starting my own businesses I became a volunteer assisting or working directly for several different international aid agencies, mainly in South East Asia and Africa, with a short stint in South America. Lots of unbelievable things happened along the way until on the border of the province of Katanga (DRC) then simply known as the Congo during those years, I managed to slow down a fragmentation grenade with my back .... thus bringing that chapter of my life to an abrupt halt. I still have a tiny piece of that grenade embedded in my spine as a somewhat painful souvenir.

End of Toad's war stories :toad:

I'm gonna have to get Liv to get a toad smiley wearing a little tin helmet

[Nil Desperandum]

I was a little too young for WW11. I tried to enlist, but my grade three teacher told me to sit down and shut up :D

But to be serious for a moment: I was a canadian fighter pilot attached to NATO and mainly served in the south of Germany in the 1950s. Patrolling the border between the two Germanys. I actually got to exchange waves with the Russian MIG pilots patrolling the other side of the border many times. Although I also was a member of a aerobatic team that won the cup three years running against all other NATO teams, all the time I was in the service I never suffered so much as a scratch.

After becoming a civilian and starting my own businesses I became a volunteer assisting or working directly for several different international aid agencies, mainly in South East Asia and Africa, with a short stint in South America. Lots of unbelievable things happened along the way until on the border of the province of Katanga (DRC) then simply known as the Congo during those years, I managed to slow down a fragmentation grenade with my back .... thus bringing that chapter of my life to an abrupt halt. I still have a tiny piece of that grenade embedded in my spine as a somewhat painful souvenir.

End of Toad's war stories :toad:

I'm gonna have to get Liv to get a toad smiley wearing a little tin helmet
Just when I thought my admiration of you couldn't possibly become any deeper...

I'm currently in the Air Force (getting out, thank Her Holiness) and I used to work on the F-117A Stealth Fighter.

I was there when we started OIF. I was there when our jets came back trying to assassinate Saddam. You gotta love being a mercenary, indirectly.

Your wisdom shows in your discourse, and I greatly admire you for what you have been through.

From a young comrades-in-arms to another:

[Salute]

Chris

[Socratoad]

Why thank you Chris, ya got this old once-upon-a-time warrior blushing.

I salute you too comrade, and hope that your return to civvy street is safe, pleasant and fruitful :yup: