People Who Use The Ignore Feature Are Weak

[The Jesus Lawyer]

could somebody please pass that on to them? :)

michael :)

[Corona688]

What else are people supposed to do? Nicely ask trolls to go away?

[SharonDee]

People who can't stand being ignored are weak.

[Beth]

I could never ignore the Christ's legal counsel, now could I?
But there are a couple of others who I might want to put on ignore.

[Dingfod]

could somebody please pass that on to them? :)

michael :)What's up your ass?

[Beth]

At least we know Warren does't have JL on ignore!

[Puck]

I consider people who use the Ignore feature to be strong; refusing to be drawn into BS by AH's.

[Legs]

At least we know Warren does't have JL on ignore!

Neither does Walter.

[Adam]

People who ignore the weak features are used.

True story.

[Dingfod]

Features that ignore the weak people are used, don't you mean?

[Beth]

That used weak people ignore the features?

[wei yau]

Are weak features ignored by used people?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

lol...and did somebody say it is strong to use the ignore feature to not get drawn in by trolls? lol...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/michael1111/cartmanweak.jpg

[The Jesus Lawyer]

People who can't stand being ignored are weak.

naw...mostly hurt and lonely. who likes to be ignored for just being who they are and saying what they think? oh well...better it happen here than in real life. :)


michael :)

[Crumb]

One of this goals of this forum is the ability for its members to have control over their environment here. Some people don't like to be bothered by assholes, so they ignore them. I have done it before, though not in your case.

Why should we have to put up with people who just want to inflict themselves on others? If that's not you, then why does it bother you? You still get to discuss things with the people who want to discuss them with you. :shrug:

[livius drusus]

Indeed. Availing yourself of a choice based on your preferences strikes me as one of the advantages of freedom, not a detriment to it.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

weak. you might have control over your environment, but ignoring me has control over miine. my 'audience' and feedback is limited. it can also be used as a weapon. some of you need a lesson in what freedom really is. i didn't say anything in that thread to warrant being ignored. weak.

michael :)

[Crumb]

The more options one has, the more freedom to choose.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

and crumb...freedom isn't about control.

michael :)

[Beth]

Igoring a person does not make someone else have control over the ignored's environment.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

options? that is not freedom. you really need to learn what real freedom is before you go around talking like you do.

using the ignore feature not only lessens the experience for somebody else, but for you as well. you are a slave to your own inadequacies.

[Crumb]

You think you should have the right to inflict your crap on others? How is that not infringing on their freedom to have nothing to do with you?

You have the freedom to blather on as much as you like, but you are not promised an audience. That must be earned.

[Beth]

options? that is not freedom. you really need to learn what real freedom is before you go around talking like you do. Options allow you the freedom to choose. It empowers a person.

using the ignore feature not only lessens the experience for somebody else, but for you as well. you are a slave to your own inadequacies.
No it doesn't and no I am not. If I chose to ignore someone who harrasses me, I am not enslaving myself. I am simply choosing not to allow another person to have influence or control over me.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Igoring a person does not make someone else have control over the ignored's environment.

sure it does. shouldn't everybody have access to the same feedback? what's worse is when it is used as a tool to silence and opposing view or style. what use is it if i come here and nobody listens? i might post my truth for myself, but it is my truth examined through feedback. limiting that for some...isn't freedom.

and then there is the personal aspect. what about your own freedom when you choose to use it? you are free to do that, but does that make THIS experience, forum, free?

michael :)

[livius drusus]

You are not entitled to attention, Michael. The default environment is not all eyes on you. You are ignored actively or passively every day in every environment you're ever in, just like everyone else.

Do you resent someone who puts on his headphones and listens to music while you're talking loudly in a subway? Is he "weak" while the person just looking out the window or reading or tuning you out in some other way is strong?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

You think you should have the right to inflict your crap on others? How is that not infringing on their freedom to have nothing to do with you?

You have the freedom to blather on as much as you like, but you are not promised an audience. That must be earned.


lol...inflict my crap? i simply stated a point. i have an audience, crumb...and you took my use of that word out of context.

how do i earn it? by just playing word games all day? naw...

michael :)

[freemonkey]

weak. you might have control over your environment, but ignoring me has control over miine. my 'audience' and feedback is limited. it can also be used as a weapon. some of you need a lesson in what freedom really is. i didn't say anything in that thread to warrant being ignored. weak.

michael :)
Since I'm not actually ignoring you, I'll engage and point out that your argument is pretty weak. You seem to be equating individuals' choices, and ff's making choices available to its members with some sort of overall censorship of YOU.

Care to state simply what your version "freedom really is"?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

You are not entitled to attention, Michael. The default environment is not all eyes on you. You are ignored actively or passively every day in every environment you're ever in, just like everyone else.

Do you resent someone who puts on his headphones and listens to music while you're talking loudly in a subway? Is he "weak" while the person just looking out the window or reading or tuning you out in some other way is strong?

totally taken out of context to win a point. it ain't working. this is not a subway but a forum that claims to support free thought. you have the right to simply ignore me by not reading, but an ignore feature is not that. it is a tool to bully...as evidenced by the celebratory thread regarding my being ignored by some...

i am entitled full access to everybody here. it is up to them to just ignore me. using a tool to help accomplish that strips your own freedom from learning tolerance. using it as a team sport...strips MY freedom.

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

weak. you might have control over your environment, but ignoring me has control over miine. my 'audience' and feedback is limited. it can also be used as a weapon. some of you need a lesson in what freedom really is. i didn't say anything in that thread to warrant being ignored. weak.

michael :)
Since I'm not actually ignoring you, I'll engage and point out that your argument is pretty weak. You seem to be equating individuals' choices, and ff's making choices available to its members with some sort of overall censorship of YOU.

Care to state simply what "freedom really is"?

i just explained the first bit in a reply to liv.

what is freedom? the same rules applied to everybody. team ignoring and ganging up by people who share similar values and beliefs...that ain't it. it is your freedom to do that, but it has nothing to do with free speech or thinking.

michael :)

[Crumb]

Celebrating ignoring someone, and just quietly ignoring them are two different things. I can see why the former bothers you. But realize that quietly ignoring someone you don't want to read bothers no one, and improves the :ff: browsing experience for some.

[Leesifer]

Oh the :melo:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Celebrating ignoring someone, and just quietly ignoring them are two different things. I can see why the former bothers you. But realize that quietly ignoring someone you don't want to read bothers no one, and improves the :ff: browsing experience for some.

i agree with you 100 percent...i just don't think you need a button to do that. i think that steps on the intent of this forum, which i believe is free thinking.

michael :)

[SharonDee]

what use is it if i come here and nobody listens?Hmm ... maybe you'll give up and go away? :girlthink:

Not that I wish you would or that I'm asking you to, you understand.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Oh the :melo:

lol...geez, for a number nut like me, this thread is making my day...there's an 11:11 post time and you just nailed a 12:12 :D

you know what that means dontcha??? I'M RIGHT! :D

[The Jesus Lawyer]

what use is it if i come here and nobody listens?Hmm ... maybe you'll give up and go away? :girlthink:

Not that I wish you would or that I'm asking you to, you understand.

give what up?? ;)

happy bday btw...


michael :)

[viscousmemories]

i am entitled full access to everybody here.
No, you are not.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

then it isn't free...at least fully. your forum...close enough for me :)

[Crumb]

The forum name is Freethought, not Freeaudience.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

and how is thought free when you place brackets or blinders on it? using the feature is as much an impediment to your freedom as it is to the person being ignored...probably more in the end. your thoughts are only free around other thoughts that are the same...is that really free? the choice is, but is the outcome?

i don't think so.

hey vm...i've got deja vu :)

(this time im no pussy...i'm staying :) )

michael :)

[viscousmemories]

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

[Dingfod]

This is not the thoughtfree forum, but it is the Ignored-poster-free forum.

[livius drusus]

totally taken out of context to win a point. it ain't working. this is not a subway but a forum that claims to support free thought. you have the right to simply ignore me by not reading, but an ignore feature is not that. it is a tool to bully...as evidenced by the celebratory thread regarding my being ignored by some...

People use a variety of ignore features for a variety of reasons. They can ignore an avatar they don't like, they can prevent someone from emailing or PMing them, they can ignore a thread with lots of pictures of big, hairy spiders, they can tune out a drama they're not interested in, they can do lots of things for lots of reasons.

It's true that we are dedicated to the free exchange of ideas and it's true that this isn't a subway but a very specific and unique text-based medium. That very medium that allows so much freedom can also have something of an echo-chamber effect which can be maddening even to the point of materially damaging the environment. Some forums choose to counter this effect by shushing people. We offer headphones.


i am entitled full access to everybody here. it is up to them to just ignore me. using a tool to help accomplish that strips your own freedom from learning tolerance. You are entitled to no such thing. People limit access to themselves in a myriad ways using the software tools to help accomplish that, starting with usernames.

Whether someone uses any of these features says nothing about their tolerance or anything else about their character.

using it as a team sport...strips MY freedom.

It's not personally to my taste, but I disagree that it strips your freedom. I think it teaches you tolerance.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

you forget where you are...nobody can break your nose online. nobody can hurt you at all...

[The Jesus Lawyer]

oh liv...come on...how does using an ignroe button teach tolerance? even you gotta see that for what it is :D

btw...in every example you gave, i can find a way to ignore without using a button.

we aren't going to agree on this, so i will give up. it's your forum and it's a good one. take care.

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i will concede this...i guess the ignore feature would work if somebody was a spammer and troll in the real sense. those people fuck with our freedom and so have it coming. i give in on that...though i still wouldn't use it :P

well...i'm off for a bike ride! enjoy the day :D

michael :)

[viscousmemories]

you forget where you are...nobody can break your nose online. nobody can hurt you at all...
No shit. Read it as "Your right to post your writings ends where the other man's right to choose what he reads begins", and that's precisely what you're "entitled to" here. Besides, didn't you just complain about being hurt by the ignore feature?

[Sock Puppet]

you forget where you are...nobody can break your nose online. nobody can hurt you at all...
Except that you've just admitted to feeling hurt. Maybe you should stop being so weak.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

dammit! i just about escaped..

yes...right to choose. is there a choice when every thread is ignored? no there isn't. i might have pissed some people off in the grace thread, but i think i also add some ok things. i contribute always with good intentions...but when i am ignored, it is all ignored...who is punching who? what does that have to do with the right to choose when there is nothing to choose from?

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Except that you've just admitted to feeling hurt. Maybe you should stop being so weak.

of course it smarts to see a group of people set out to ignore you and enjoy themselves. i actually don't think i am weak...i am being nice, patient and i am still here.

if anything, my problem is in not letting things go. time to teach myself a lesson...

[Sock Puppet]

Somewhere I missed how calling people "weak" over and over is nice and patient.

[ChuckF]

Hey Jesus Lawyer, how long until you get called on the passive aggressive crap and then go in to martyr mode?

Oh look, it's already happened.

[viscousmemories]

You're just flailing about wildly now, Michael. It sucks when people don't care to hear what you have to say, and moreso when they make a big show of ignoring you. I get it. But the essence of your argument: that a free press isn't really free unless having the paper delivered is mandatory for all citizens, is plainly ridiculous.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

the action is weak. i don't know a better word. would it make you feel better if i said i think you're a big strong man for not ignoring me. ooooh...you tough guy! ;)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Hey Jesus Lawyer, how long until you get called on the passive aggressive crap and then go in to martyr mode?

Oh look, it's already happened.

case in point.

and why am i flailing around, vm? because i am quick to address everything being thrown around. i make sense. i am coherent. stop trying to win arguments this way...it's weak. i am not flailing...i am fucking replying. geez.


michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

btw...how am i a martyr here? how am i being passive aggressive when my tone in this entire thread hasn't changed?

people just get pissed off that i'm getting attention. don't like it- post more. i am neither a martyr nor p/a i nthis thread...i am just standing my ground.

ah...the personal insults. like clockwork.

michael :)

[viscousmemories]

I didn't say you weren't making sense or that you're incoherent, I said you were flailing about. This is the post I was referring to:

yes...right to choose. is there a choice when every thread is ignored? no there isn't. i might have pissed some people off in the grace thread, but i think i also add some ok things. i contribute always with good intentions...but when i am ignored, it is all ignored...who is punching who? what does that have to do with the right to choose when there is nothing to choose from?

How is that an answer to anything anyone posted? Did someone accuse you of having bad intentions? Do you think it follows logically that if something hurts your feelings people shouldn't have the right to do it? Do you have any point with this thread other than to lash out at the people who boasted about having you on ignore (ironically, the few people who probably can't see this thread)?

[Sock Puppet]

the action is weak. i don't know a better word. would it make you feel better if i said i think you're a big strong man for not ignoring me. ooooh...you tough guy! ;)
You should work in a movie theater rather than a TV station. That way, you'd at least get paid for constantly projecting. I really don't care whether you're nice or nasty, it just seems like you should make up your addled mind on whether you're one or the other.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

I didn't say you weren't making sense or that you're incoherent, I said you were flailing about. This is the post I was referring to:

yes...right to choose. is there a choice when every thread is ignored? no there isn't. i might have pissed some people off in the grace thread, but i think i also add some ok things. i contribute always with good intentions...but when i am ignored, it is all ignored...who is punching who? what does that have to do with the right to choose when there is nothing to choose from?

How is that an answer to anything anyone posted? Did someone accuse you of having bad intentions? Do you think it follows logically that if something hurts your feelings people shouldn't have the right to do it? Do you have any point with this thread other than to lash out at the people who boasted about having you on ignore (ironically, the few people who probably can't see this thread)?


actually...i did have a point and to make a joke. i wanted to bring up the ignroe feature, having just been a victim to it. i think it makes an interesting topic of debate...

and what i wrote makes sense. i am trying to show how using the ignore feature limits you and has nothing to do with tolerance. how do you learn to ignore using your own will...when you can always rely on a button? you might not like some things a person says, but by choosing to ignore everything...which is what the ignore feature does...you don't see my point?

well anyhow...

[The Jesus Lawyer]

the action is weak. i don't know a better word. would it make you feel better if i said i think you're a big strong man for not ignoring me. ooooh...you tough guy! ;)
You should work in a movie theater rather than a TV station. That way, you'd at least get paid for constantly projecting. I really don't care whether you're nice or nasty, it just seems like you should make up your addled mind on whether you're one or the other.

lol...good one. i am both nice and nasty. it's not about making up my mind, but learning to embrace what i am. yeah...that sounded really lame...

michael :)

[Sock Puppet]

You might start by figuring out how to reconcile your impulse toward being a Bad Boy with your desperate need for everybody to like you.

[ChuckF]

btw...how am i a martyr here?
Aw shucks, I get insulted just for standing my ground, no matter how dumbass it is.

how am i being passive aggressive when my tone in this entire thread hasn't changed?
Have you seen the title of the thread? And the OP? Then little gems like this:
i am entitled full access to everybody here. it is up to them to just ignore me. using a tool to help accomplish that strips your own freedom from learning tolerance.

people just get pissed off that i'm getting attention.
Um...ok. I think people get pissed off when you call them weak for no clear or explicable reason. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that you are entitled to an audience for everything you say.
don't like it- post more. i am neither a martyr nor p/a i nthis thread...i am just standing my ground.
:giggle: followed closely by:
ah...the personal insults. like clockwork.

[viscousmemories]

There are vast quantities of information available in the world, online, from the tv, from books, coworkers, etc, and everyone has to make decisions about what sources of information to spend their time on every day. If a certain magazine, tv channel or person consistently aggravates me, I'm going to stop tuning in. Yes, of course in doing so I might miss something really important or interesting. But given limited resources and a desire for something more than a brain full of random nonsense, that's a risk I just have to take.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

You might start by figuring out how to reconcile your impulse toward being a Bad Boy with your desperate need for everybody to like you.

ummm...that ain't me you're talking about. now who's projecting?

my words, but it's the voice inside your own head you hear reading them back. i am a bad boy who does good things. i honestly don't care who likes me...i care about fair treatment and being bullied. you read more into me than is there...your voice. :)


michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

btw...how am i a martyr here?
Aw shucks, I get insulted just for standing my ground, no matter how dumbass it is.

how am i being passive aggressive when my tone in this entire thread hasn't changed?
Have you seen the title of the thread? And the OP? Then little gems like this:
i am entitled full access to everybody here. it is up to them to just ignore me. using a tool to help accomplish that strips your own freedom from learning tolerance.

people just get pissed off that i'm getting attention.
Um...ok. I think people get pissed off when you call them weak for no clear or explicable reason. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that you are entitled to an audience for everything you say.
don't like it- post more. i am neither a martyr nor p/a i nthis thread...i am just standing my ground.
:giggle: followed closely by:
ah...the personal insults. like clockwork.


lol...that is all just silly. at least i realize i am an armchair psychiatrist...you assuredness about my intentions as filtered through your own brain...youre wrong. lol...what a dork. yeah...that's an insult. perhaps you should examine your own behaviour before calling somebody on theirs.

what do you think about the ignore feature? oh wait...you never mentioned that. what a team player you are, coming in like that :)

lol...

[Sock Puppet]

You might start by figuring out how to reconcile your impulse toward being a Bad Boy with your desperate need for everybody to like you.

ummm...that ain't me you're talking about. now who's projecting?

my words, but it's the voice inside your own head you hear reading them back. i am a bad boy who does good things. i honestly don't care who likes me...i care about fair treatment and being bullied. you read more into me than is there...your voice. :)


michael :)
Okie doke. :pat:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

it is getting ugly now...on my bike! :D

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/michael1111/bikeav.jpg

i give up!

[The Jesus Lawyer]

one last thing...i actually like you sock puppet. maybe i am twisted :)

[ChuckF]

Yeah, I don't give a shit about the ignore feature. This is just one of your typical threads.

insult (I'm better than you because I don't use the ignore feature)
Gosh, sorry lol
another insult ("some of you need a lesson in what freedom really is.")
omg ur insulting me because i am standing my ground

When do we get the conciliatory thread that usually follows? The one with the photo in the OP.

[cappuccino]

Look Michael, the concept of freethought is all about being able to express your ideas and opinions freely, it DOES NOT entail a willing audience for you. We're equally free to listen to you and dismiss your opinions on whatever grounds we care to bring up. You're also equally free to argue about whether our grounds have any validity. But in no way does freethought mean we're required to take you seriously.

I don't go around celebrating who's on my ignore list or what other ignoring actions I've taken. It's my personal choice that have no bearing on your own personal environment, other than perhaps making you pause for a bit to reconsider your delivery techniques.

Imagine you're at a piazza, you're free to set up a soapbox and speak about whatever you've got to say to all who's within the earshot range or visual range. If nobody pays any attention to you or if you managed to empty the entire piazza, then you've got nobody but yourself to blame.

[Plant Woman]

My ignore feature—:lalala: lalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalalala.

[BDS]

Back in Regency times, ignoring somebody was called "the cut direct". In those days, an active insult could lead to a duel. So if you hated somebody, you simply refused to acknowledge his or her existance.

One day, Beau Brummel was out riding in the park. The Prince of Wales was feuding with Brummel, and refused to acknowledge their acquaintance. Brummel met up with two of his friends, who were with the Prince. As Brummel chatted with his friends, the Prince pointedly ignored him. So Brummel casually asked his friends, "By the way, who is your fat friend?"

[Sock Puppet]

one last thing...i actually like you sock puppet. maybe i am twisted :)
Take back that filthy lie, you pervert! :rant:

:wink:

[maddog]

I have many weaknesses. So does everyone else.

One of my weaknesses, for example, is fear. I am fearful much of the time and afraid of many, many things. I have come to the belated conclusion that much of the focus of "self-help" on "overcoming" fear, or trying to make fear go away, is misguided and futile. I take my cue from David K. Reynolds, who acknowledges that fear is there, and that it is often useful. AND, WHILE BEING AFRAID, I can still go ahead and do the things that I need to do. I don't need to cure my fear or make it go away, or spend my efforts on that futile endeavor. All I need to do is, while being afraid, go ahead and to the constructive actions I need to do.

Same thing with weakness for me. If something is a weakness for me, that is OK, as long as I can continue to do the actions I need to do to get done the things I need to do.

#755

[Leesifer]

:offtopic2:

Good to see you maddog.

[Legs]

IMO This (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6100) is weak.

this isnt very exciting here for me and being mostly ignored just turns me into a prick and i get hostile. couple that with so many people already being hostile toward me and not accepting my apology from before, i dont see any good coming from this. my problem is that i will keep coming back cuz i like to fight and be pissed off. a flaw for sure, but its not who i really am and so im misrepresenting myself here. i actually get along with people...

[The Jesus Lawyer]

yes it is legs...it is also from a long time ago. i have already admitted to being a pussy before and chickening out. in fact, i did it in this thread. what does this have to do with anything? that was a long time ago in internet years...seems the girlie gang will stop at nothing to make the enemy look bad.

but i keep ducking outta the way ;)

hey i mentioned you in a post i'm just about to pin up. i must really like you since i mention you so often, even though you treat me like crap :)



michael :)

[Plant Woman]

:violin:

You don't need a gang to help you look bad, you do that job quite adequately.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

lol :D

[Sock Puppet]

hey i mentioned you [Legs] in a post i'm just about to pin up. i must really like you since i mention you so often, even though you treat me like crap :)"even though" -- or "because"? Masochism probably makes martyrdom go down easier.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

and yet another...lol :D

[Plant Woman]

I think he is happy now that he has all this attention.

Now hopefully some of us can go back to ignoring, without poor Mikey being all upset.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

to be honest...i am happy i am not getting attention. see how your perception is off? less people are razzing me...it seems calmer...so i'm calmer. that's the reason. that should be as plain as day, but i guess the dig was more important ;)

michael :)

[Legs]

yes it is legs...it is also from a long time ago.

It's from December 28, not even 6 months ago!

even though you treat me like crap
You reap what you sew and sow. You so and so!

[Dingfod]

That's sow.[/pedant]

[TomJoe]

It's from December 28, not even 6 months ago!


That's a long time ... for insects. Insects which should be crushed under a heel, mashed into the concrete, splattered into a thousand tiny ... *ahem* excuse me. It could be a long time, depends on ones perspective. :)

[Sock Puppet]

Just remember to sew what you rip. :rimshot:

[TomJoe]

Just remember to sew what you rip. :rimshot:

What about if you let 'er rip? :stinky:

[Legs]

Silk purse out of a sew's ear?

[Plant Woman]

That's an earful.

[TomJoe]

Silk purse out of a sew's ear?

Ewe.

[Plant Woman]

It could be a long time, depends on ones perspective. :)
Gasp! Are you calling Mikey an insect?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

insect you say? time for a change to the escher ant...

a person can make a lot of change in 6 months. i drank obscenely and with reckless abandon for many years, leading a life of extremes that took me to detox and rehab...

and all that changed in one day. :)

michael :)

[TomJoe]

It could be a long time, depends on ones perspective. :)
Gasp! Are you calling Mikey an insect?

I don't really have a problem with him.

I also have no idea who you are, even though you have over 1,500 posts.

[Crumb]

She's incognito. :mask:

[Legs]

a person can make a lot of change in 6 months.

or they can stay exactly the same :crybaby:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i'm glad your recognize that. there is always time to change :)

"there, there..."

michael :)

[Shake]

Hello? Anyone here? Hmm ... 4 pages of just nothing. Interesting.

:D

/me thought it was time for some more humor