Something wonderful just happened to me tonight.

[ApostateAbe]

For almost a year I fought and tangled with Bally Total Fitness. Now it is all over.

It started when I first moved back to my hometown of Vancouver, Washington from college. I wanted a gym, so I looked around, and I found Bally Total Shitness. I walked in and I was met by a salesperson who showed me around and said that I could have a thirty-day trial at this gym if I signed one of their contracts. So in a monumentally-stupid lapse of the skepticism I used to be proud of, I signed for a two-year contract without reading it, gave them my debit card number and all my personal information, and I walked out. I went to that gym about three times a week for a month. After a month, I figured that it wasn't worth the money. I wanted to go to the gym my roommate was in. So I asked for it to be cancelled. They said I had to send in my copy of the contract, a written letter, and my gym card to their headquarters. I didn't have my gym card (I lost it), but they said it was OK if I just write down my account number. So I promptly did. Thereafter, they sent me back a letter saying that my request to cancel was DENIED--because I didn't fulfill the undescribed terms of the agreement. I was furious. I already knew I was screwed bigtime.

I did a search on the web and confirmed what I already suspected--that they are ass-dwelling parasites. They screw anyone who signs their contracts. The Better Business Bureau is overflowing with complaints concerning them. They screw the finances of those who have been sent to Iraq to fight the war, or even those who can't exercise anymore because they are dying from cancer.

They grubbed $337 from me before I managed to cancel my checking account. Thereafter, Shitness sent me at least a dozen letters, some of them with explicit threats to screw me over. They kept calling my cell phone identified as "Anonymous" and they wanted money. My mother also got phone calls from them, despite her insistence that they stop.

And then they made true of their threats and reached their tentacles into my credit rating. My credit report was totally empty, except for what turned into a huge and growing debt. And this was a big kick in the balls for a guy like me. In August, I bought a cheap $500 car, but then I found out that my insurance premiums depend in part on my credit rating. When I asked for an estimate on minimum payments for car insurance, it amounted to $180 per month. Once again, I was pissed. But it seemed like there was nothing I could do. I had to keep biking to work, or get carpooled by my coworker, even though I had a car sitting near my front door.

A friend of mine, who once worked as an intermediary between a bank and a credit bureau, had nothing to suggest. He said, "Yeah, basically, you're screwed. :(" He could only suggest that I send a complaint to the Attorney General of Washington. So I filled out a bitter complaint form online and sent it.

In my private thoughts, I contemplated burning down the gym with gasoline and a match. I fantasized about walking in with my pair of steel sai and trashing their offices. I thought about sitting in front of the building with signs to ward away potential suckers. But it seemed like I could do nothing.

I got a letter shortly afterward from the Washington Attorney General's Office saying that someone in the Vancouver city hall was assigned to the problem. I thought, "OK, great, I'll believe that when Shitness is banished from the state." That was about the same time Shitness informed me that my account was SOLD to a COLLECTION'S AGENCY. From what I heard, that is normally the time the shitcar shifts into high-gear.

Continuing in my frustrated hunt for revenge, I checked my credit report tonight (after putting it off for weeks). I was puzzled to find that there was nothing about Shitness anywhere on it.

Then, just tonight, I checked my mail, and I got another letter from Linda Burrell-McFarlene, Complaint Analyst, Consumer Complaint Division, with the stamp of the Attorney General of Washington at the top:
Dear Abel M Dean:

I have received a reply from Bally Total Fitness regarding your complaint. Enclosed is a copy of that reply for your records.

Thank you for contacting our office. And what did Shitness have to say in the enclosed letter? This:
Re: Abel M Dean
Bally Membership No. 2601217484008
Your file No. VAN --223658

Dear Ms. Burrell-Mcfarlere:

Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the above listed individual. We apologize for the delay in our response.

Please accept this letter as confirmation that Mr. Dean's account was cancelled per the 30-Day Money Back Guarantee. A refund for $337.02 will be issued to his Visa card ending in 3303. Please have Mr. Dean allow 7-10 business days to process. Additionally, we will recall his account from the collection agenc and remove any derogatory remarks from his credit file. Please have him allow 30-90 days to update.

Bally Total Fitness would like to apologize for any inconvenience this matter may have caused.

Should you have any further questions please feel free to contact our offices at (562) 484-2000 ext 3769, between the hours of 7 A.M.--4 P.M. (PST), Monday through Friday

Sincerely,
[signature]
Lorena Acuna
Government Relations
I let out a screech of victory after I was half-way throught that, which scared the bejeezus out of my roommate. Next week, there is a much stronger chance that I will be driving to work.

As I was writing this, I realized that I would not be able to receive the $330.02 in my cancelled bank account ending in 3303. I will call Ms. Acuna tomorrow, and, if I am extra-lucky, she will agree to send me a check.

So, my friends, this is a happy night, and I am about to drink myself silly from a bottle of sake. What should I do to thank Ms. Burrell-McFarlene without making it seem like a bribe?

[BigBlue2]

So, my friends, this is a happy night, and I am about to drink myself silly from a bottle of sake. What should I do to thank Ms. Burrell-McFarlene without making it seem like a bribe?
A proposal of marriage should do the trick. Barring that, an offer to send the refund money to Ms Burrell-McFarlanes favourite charity should also work.

[ApostateAbe]

So, my friends, this is a happy night, and I am about to drink myself silly from a bottle of sake. What should I do to thank Ms. Burrell-McFarlene without making it seem like a bribe? A proposal of marriage should do the trick. Barring that, an offer to send the refund money to Ms Burrell-McFarlanes favourite charity should also work. Two very brilliant ideas. I will do at least one of those, and I might do both of them. Thank you, BigBlue2.

EDIT: What if she accepts the marriage proposal?

[Dingfod]

Marry her, she's a keeper.

[viscousmemories]

That's a really great story, Abe. If it's any consolation I've signed contracts with Bally twice in my life and fucked them over both times. Thank god bad credit marks fall off after seven years - I'm about due for another membership. :D

[seebs]

Dude, did they call, or did they, perhaps, have a collector call?

'cuz there's all SORTS of rules about what debt collectors can do. And the fines are steep. :)

[ApostateAbe]

Dude, did they call, or did they, perhaps, have a collector call?

'cuz there's all SORTS of rules about what debt collectors can do. And the fines are steep. :) It was Shitness, not a debt collector. I never heard from any debt collector. I informed my mother that it is against the law for them to call three times unrequested.

[ApostateAbe]

That's a really great story, Abe. If it's any consolation I've signed contracts with Bally twice in my life and fucked them over both times. Thank god bad credit marks fall off after seven years - I'm about due for another membership. :D Does that mean you got your revenge? How?

[viscousmemories]

That's a really great story, Abe. If it's any consolation I've signed contracts with Bally twice in my life and fucked them over both times. Thank god bad credit marks fall off after seven years - I'm about due for another membership. :D Does that mean you got your revenge? How?
Nah, not revenge really. I was at fault. I signed a lifetime contract in California the first time - better than used car salesman those Bally folks are - but then moved back to Michigan a few months into it. Once back in Michigan I lived too far to conveniently get to a Bally (no car) but not far enough to be eligible for a cancellation of my contract. So I kept making my monthly payments for something like a year even though I wasn't going, but then I just stopped. They hunted me hard for a long time and my credit report was shit, but I move a lot and my credit report was shit anyway, so it was no biggie. Seven years later it was off my report.

Then, when I was living in Chicago and making big dollars a few years ago I joined again. Another lifetime contract - yes, I'm a sucker. I went for about a month then just stopped going. Made the payments up until various factors combined to destroy me financially, resulting in my walking away from a house, about 10k in credit card debt, other miscellaneous debts and Bally. That was 3 years ago, so I was being hyperbolic when I said I'm due for another membership. I'm not, really.

[seebs]

Find a consumer protection lawyer in your area; you or your mom (more likely your mom) might have a case against them. The law you're looking for is FDCPA (Fair Debt Collection Practices Act), but I'm afraid it may mostly cover debt collectors, not the people you actually owe the money to. But... Harassment is harassment.

[ApostateAbe]

That's a really great story, Abe. If it's any consolation I've signed contracts with Bally twice in my life and fucked them over both times. Thank god bad credit marks fall off after seven years - I'm about due for another membership. :D Does that mean you got your revenge? How? Nah, not revenge really. I was at fault. I signed a lifetime contract in California the first time - better than used car salesman those Bally folks are - but then moved back to Michigan a few months into it. Once back in Michigan I lived too far to conveniently get to a Bally (no car) but not far enough to be eligible for a cancellation of my contract. So I kept making my monthly payments for something like a year even though I wasn't going, but then I just stopped. They hunted me hard for a long time and my credit report was shit, but I move a lot and my credit report was shit anyway, so it was no biggie. Seven years later it was off my report.

Then, when I was living in Chicago and making big dollars a few years ago I joined again. Another lifetime contract - yes, I'm a sucker. I went for about a month then just stopped going. Made the payments up until various factors combined to destroy me financially, resulting in my walking away from a house, about 10k in credit card debt, other miscellaneous debts and Bally. That was 3 years ago, so I was being hyperbolic when I said I'm due for another membership. I'm not, really. viscousmemories, you don't seem like that kind of sucker. Do you have your finances sorted out now? I heard that credit card debt can be a real bitch.

[ApostateAbe]

Find a consumer protection lawyer in your area; you or your mom (more likely your mom) might have a case against them. The law you're looking for is FDCPA (Fair Debt Collection Practices Act), but I'm afraid it may mostly cover debt collectors, not the people you actually owe the money to. But... Harassment is harassment. I am close to making my peace with Shitness, and I don't want to get into anymore tangles with them. After I tell my mother the news, I'll ask her if she would be willing to sue them, but I doubt she would.

[viscousmemories]

viscousmemories, you don't seem like that kind of sucker.
Y'know it always seems like such a good idea at the time...

Do you have your finances sorted out now? I heard that credit card debt can be a real bitch.
Nah, my credit is completely shot. The funny thing is I shot my credit with bad checks and unpaid bills when I was living on my own at 16, and proceeded to have bad/worse credit until my mid-20's. Then I started making big bucks in computer networking, and within a few years managed to buy a house, lease a car and eradicate every little speck of filth from my credit report.

Then I decided, on a whim, to move to Chicago. So I found a great job there, got a buyer for the house, and rented an apartment in the city. Then (long story) the house sale fell through. Six months later the pipes in the house froze and burst, and flooded it. Twice. I quit my high paying job in Chicago to move back to Michigan to take care of the house. It was August, 2001. Just before 9/11 and right around the time of the dot.com and general computer industry crash. So I couldn't find a new job.

Fast forward a few months and the house was foreclosed on, maxxed credit cards written off, etc. So yeah, my credit is shot again. It sucks, but I'll live.

[ApostateAbe]

viscousmemories, you don't seem like that kind of sucker. Y'know it always seems like such a good idea at the time...

Do you have your finances sorted out now? I heard that credit card debt can be a real bitch. Nah, my credit is completely shot. The funny thing is I shot my credit with bad checks and unpaid bills when I was living on my own at 16, and proceeded to have bad/worse credit until my mid-20's. Then I started making big bucks in computer networking, and within a few years managed to buy a house, lease a car and eradicate every little speck of filth from my credit report.

Then I decided, on a whim, to move to Chicago. So I found a great job there, got a buyer for the house, and rented an apartment in the city. Then (long story) the house sale fell through. Six months later the pipes in the house froze and burst, and flooded it. Twice. I quit my high paying job in Chicago to move back to Michigan to take care of the house. It was August, 2001. Just before 9/11 and right around the time of the dot.com and general computer industry crash. So I couldn't find a new job.

Fast forward a few months and the house was foreclosed on, maxxed credit cards written off, etc. So yeah, my credit is shot again. It sucks, but I'll live. Damn straight, you'll live. It is amazing to me that you ever got as far as you did.

I hope to do big things with my life. I just removed a major obstacle. Now I must be motivated to remove the rest of them. It may mean that I will have to stop talking to you people online. But I will get back to you about that.

[Socratoad]

I ask for your pardon in advance before I start this little sermon:

In regards to doing "big things", forget about it ..... it just ain't worth the the price when one finally is able to stop and look back.

When I was much younger I was a chronic over achiever. I assumed I could accomplish more in one day than any combination of a half dozen or so other people, and for the most part this became true, but it ruined my health, my first marriage, and left me feeling like an empty shell.

Fast forward a few years ...... I met a terrific woman, dropped out of the rat race, learned to appreciate living the simple life, travelled to foreign lands as a volunteer for various international aid organizations, learned to live without even being concerned about credit ratings and so on.

In short: life became much less stressful and much more fulfilling when I stopped the "Look at me mummy, I'm dancing as fast as I can" way of looking at the world.

[LadyShea]

Good for you Abe. Whats astounding to me is that more States aren't prosecuting...Bally's has been screwing people left and right forever.

We joined back in 91, and then we moved to California. We went to cancel our membership because of the move and they tried to tell us we had to transfer out membership. Great, except there was no Bally's in the town we were moving to at the time....they still tried to intimidate us saying we had to pay off the contract or use a facility 50 miles from our new home. Luckily, I had a copy of the fair credit act, and got them off my back.

They make money off people who don't know their rights, and don't know they are allowed to complain.

[ApostateAbe]

It isn't over yet, it seems. This morning, I called up Ms. Acuna (my call went through more quickly than I expected) and told her about the cancelled account. She said that the $337 dollars went through, and my bank would issue me a check if the account was closed. I thanked her and hung up the phone. Then I called up Wells Fargo and said that I wanted to verify what Ms. Acuna said. But they said that they would NOT accept money for a cancelled account. Wells Fargo would just send it right back with a note saying that the account is closed.

So I called up Ms. Acuna again. The conversation went something like this:

"Hey, the is Abel again."

"Hi!"

"I just got done talking with my bank, and they said that, if they received money for a cancelled account, they would just send the money right back... to you."

"Well, the money seems to have gone through from my end..."

"Hey, you know what, I have tangled with you guys before, and I know you are a bunch of liars."

"I am trying to help you, I am trying to provide a service, and you are calling me a liar? (sounding shocked)"

"I am not calling you a liar, well, maybe I am, but I am calling Bally Total Fitness and everyone who works in it a liar. And so I would much rather believe my bank than believe you."

Then she said a line of gibberish, something I about working it out with other department, and asked if she could call me back on Monday.

"Can you call me back?... How about I just call you back?"

"OK?"

"Thank you."

The story of the battle over the $337 will resume on Monday.

[ApostateAbe]

I ask for your pardon in advance before I start this little sermon:

In regards to doing "big things", forget about it ..... it just ain't worth the the price when one finally is able to stop and look back.

When I was much younger I was a chronic over achiever. I assumed I could accomplish more in one day than any combination of a half dozen or so other people, and for the most part this became true, but it ruined my health, my first marriage, and left me feeling like an empty shell.

Fast forward a few years ...... I met a terrific woman, dropped out of the rat race, learned to appreciate living the simple life, travelled to foreign lands as a volunteer for various international aid organizations, learned to live without even being concerned about credit ratings and so on.

In short: life became much less stressful and much more fulfilling when I stopped the "Look at me mummy, I'm dancing as fast as I can" way of looking at the world. Socratoad, I plan to go about life a little differently. I will NOT get married, and I WILL take care of my health above all other things. There are some people who gain success, and they don't have regrets. They enjoy the fame and fortune. Being at the top of the social hierarchy is much more likely to make one happy than not.

[ApostateAbe]

Good for you Abe. Whats astounding to me is that more States aren't prosecuting...Bally's has been screwing people left and right forever.

We joined back in 91, and then we moved to California. We went to cancel our membership because of the move and they tried to tell us we had to transfer out membership. Great, except there was no Bally's in the town we were moving to at the time....they still tried to intimidate us saying we had to pay off the contract or use a facility 50 miles from our new home. Luckily, I had a copy of the fair credit act, and got them off my back.

They make money off people who don't know their rights, and don't know they are allowed to complain. I'll remember the Fair Credit Act. Anything that can get Shitness off your back is dynamite material.

[beyelzu]

It isn't over yet, it seems. This morning, I called up Ms. Acuna (my call went through more quickly than I expected) and told her about the cancelled account. She said that the $337 dollars went through, and my bank would issue me a check if the account was closed. I thanked her and hung up the phone. Then I called up Wells Fargo and said that I wanted to verify what Ms. Acuna said. But they said that they would NOT accept money for a cancelled account. Wells Fargo would just send it right back with a note saying that the account is closed.

So I called up Ms. Acuna again. The conversation went something like this:

"Hey, the is Abel again."

"Hi!"

"I just got done talking with my bank, and they said that, if they received money for a cancelled account, they would just send the money right back... to you."

"Well, the money seems to have gone through from my end..."

"Hey, you know what, I have tangled with you guys before, and I know you are a bunch of liars."

"I am trying to help you, I am trying to provide a service, and you are calling me a liar? (sounding shocked)"

"I am not calling you a liar, well, maybe I am, but I am calling Bally Total Fitness and everyone who works in it a liar. And so I would much rather believe my bank than believe you."

Then she said a line of gibberish, something I about working it out with other department, and asked if she could call me back on Monday.

"Can you call me back?... How about I just call you back?"

"OK?"

"Thank you."

The story of the battle over the $337 will resume on Monday.


give them hell, :yup:

[viscousmemories]

I don't recommend insulting the probably minimum wage customer service reps. They have no control over (and hence in my opinion no responsibility for) the policies of their company, and they can very easily make it much harder for you to resolve issues. I've worked in that capacity before and while I bent over backward to help people who were respectful, I was known to put people on hold and chit-chat with the person in the cube next to me for 10 minutes when an asshole was on the line. That is until the "Oops, seem to have lost that call." And that was nothing compared to what I could've done if I was a real dick. It would've been childs play for me to make it far more difficult - if not impossible - for the client to resolve their problem without taking any heat myself.

[Godless Dave]

I always avoid lifetime contracts. That's why I've never been married ;).

[ApostateAbe]

I don't recommend insulting the probably minimum wage customer service reps. They have no control over (and hence in my opinion no responsibility for) the policies of their company, and they can very easily make it much harder for you to resolve issues. I've worked in that capacity before and while I bent over backward to help people who were respectful, I was known to put people on hold and chit-chat with the person in the cube next to me for 10 minutes when an asshole was on the line. That is until the "Oops, seem to have lost that call." And that was nothing compared to what I could've done if I was a real dick. It would've been childs play for me to make it far more difficult - if not impossible - for the client to resolve their problem without taking any heat myself. This isn't your minimum wage service rep. This is the Government Relations representative at the California headquarters who signs her name on letters to state attorney generals trying to ward away legal problems. And I am a debt collector. She owes me, I have got City Hall backing me up, and I have all the power this time. She explicitly lied to me, and I'll be a punk-ass bitch about it because it is payback time.

[viscousmemories]

This isn't your minimum wage service rep. This is the Government Relations representative at the California headquarters who signs her name on letters to state attorney generals trying to ward away legal problems. And I am a debt collector. She owes me, I have got City Hall backing me up, and I have all the power this time. She explicitly lied to me, and I'll be a punk-ass bitch about it because it is payback time.
Okay, fair point. Of course she's still in a position to make it harder for you to collect than it needs to be. Is belittling her really worth waiting even longer for your money?

[Socratoad]

Oh yeah, give em hell, give em hell bigtime, especially if you enjoy kicking your own ass.

Belittling is a very effective weapon to use on others ...... if you are a masochist :yup:

[ApostateAbe]

Oh yeah, give em hell, give em hell bigtime, especially if you enjoy kicking your own ass.

Belittling is a very effective weapon to use on others ...... if you are a masochist :yup: Don't worry, I know what I am doing. I have all the leverage, and the biggest indication of that is that they cleared my debt.

[ApostateAbe]

For those of you who think that being a punk-ass bitch is a bad idea, I'll show you an example of what Shitness wrote to me on several occasions:
Dear Abel M Dean,

Your account is seriously delinquent. Bally Total Fitness reports payment histories to several national credit bureaus. To avoid being reported as a slow pay to the credit bureaus, we must receive $137.04 within 10 days.

If a payment has not already been sent, please send one today. For your convenience we accept Visa, MAsterCard, Discover and American Express. PAy now by credit card or check with the coupon below, or by calling our 24-hour automated charge line at 1-800-224-7505. You may alos pay through our web address listed above. You will need to have your credit card and Bally account number (listed above) available.

We know you understand the value of a good credit rating. We strongly suggest that you remit your payment today to avoid negative comments on your credit report.

Sincerely,
Mr Michael
Account Representative

Failure to pay promptly will affect your credit rating with several national credit bureaus.

Como cortesia para asistir a nuestros clientes de habla Espanol, tenemos representantes bilingues. por favor llamenos al 1-88-525-6509. This is what an international corporation tells me to maximize my compliance. They get the most return by saying this to everyone who owes them. So, you see, being a nice guy isn't always the best way to go. Nice guys are suckers. If I act like a nice guy to them, then they will only see me as a sucker who can get screwed some more.

[viscousmemories]

This is what an international corporation tells me to maximize my compliance. They get the most return by saying this to everyone who owes them.
You think they consulted social-psychologists in the development of those collection letters to determine the most effective method of convincing people to pay their debts? I doubt it. I think it's 1% guilt trip and 99% compliance with the laws that regulate their actions when collecting debts.

So, you see, being a nice guy isn't always the best way to go. Nice guys are suckers. If I act like a nice guy to them, then they will only see me as a sucker who can get screwed some more.
I doubt the Bally representative has an opinion (or cares) about whether you are a sucker. She's just doing her job - misguided though it may be - and if you're an asshole to her she'll treat you accordingly. I highly doubt that she stands to gain anything from your misfortune personally. Few companies give bonuses based on how many unhappy customers you have under your belt.

[ApostateAbe]

This is what an international corporation tells me to maximize my compliance. They get the most return by saying this to everyone who owes them. You think they consulted social-psychologists in the development of those collection letters to determine the most effective method of convincing people to pay their debts? I doubt it. I think it's 1% guilt trip and 99% compliance with the laws that regulate their actions when collecting debts. Within the bounds of the law, they will write whatever it takes to collect money. And that letter is an example of that. My point is that sometimes it takes being an asshole to get maximum compliance.
So, you see, being a nice guy isn't always the best way to go. Nice guys are suckers. If I act like a nice guy to them, then they will only see me as a sucker who can get screwed some more. I doubt the Bally representative has an opinion (or cares) about whether you are a sucker. She's just doing her job - misguided though it may be - and if you're an asshole to her she'll treat you accordingly. I highly doubt that she stands to gain anything from your misfortune personally. Few companies give bonuses based on how many unhappy customers you have under your belt. Shitness is not like any company. They are a nest of parasites and a den of lying thieves. They get most of their revenue from suckers who sign their contracts and don't go to the gym, yet still pay. They will take any oppurtunity they see to screw me, even if it means breaking the law. Nice guys come off as suckers. And suckers are their targets.

[ApostateAbe]

UPDATE: My latest encounter with Shitness went something like this:


"Hey, Lorena, this is Abel, remember?"

"Oh, hi!"

"How is that 337 dollars coming along?"

"Well, I checked, and the transfer to the bank did go through and I have the reference numbers if you want to call your bank..."

"Lorena, I am done talking to my bank. They said that if they receive money for a closed account, and it is closed, they send the money right back."

"Let me give you the reference numbers so you can verify that."

"Lorena, you are lying to me, and you are only trying to give me the run-around."

"If I am lying, then why do I have reference numbers in front of me?"

"Well, because you don't have jack shit."

And she kept talking until I told her that I would talk to city hall about it to see what they think, and she said she would be happy to work with them.

I did give city hall a call, and I left my complaint with a guy named Rex since Linda was out, and Linda will be calling me back tomorrow.

[Dingfod]

Holey shit, Abe. Take the reference numbers and check with the bank to see what they did with the transaction.

[ApostateAbe]

warrenly, I already know what they did with the transaction. They sent it right back. I know that Shitness is lying about it, and I will not be a victim of any more of their run-around tactics.

[beyelzu]

warrenly, I already know what they did with the transaction. They sent it right back. I know that Shitness is lying about it, and I will not be a victim of any more of their run-around tactics.
I have to agree with warrenly,

what would be the harm with just checking, you would only be out of a few minutes time.

[ApostateAbe]

I would do it if I had a way of recording phone calls. Otherwise, I gain nothing. I call her up, she gives me the numbers, I call the bank, they tell me that the numbers match nothing, I call her back up, she gives some more excuses and more ways to waste my time. And it runs up my long-distance minutes. She can make her excuses when she gets a call from Linda.

[ApostateAbe]

VICTORY IS MINE! TOTAL DOMINATION!!!

I called Linda this morning, and I told her of the problem. She called Shitness, then she called me back. The news is: SHITNESS IS SENDING ME THE CHECK!

She said that the bank had indeed sent the money back to Shitness. And I will be receiving the check in 4-7 days.

And I asked her to marry me. Luckily, all I got was a laugh.

[Dingfod]

I'm surprised.



Not at getting the money back, but at her laughing at your marriage proposal. I mean, you've got a dowry and all now. heh

[beyelzu]

VICTORY IS MINE! TOTAL DOMINATION!!!

I called Linda this morning, and I told her of the problem. She called Shitness, then she called me back. The news is: SHITNESS IS SENDING ME THE CHECK!

She said that the bank had indeed sent the money back to Shitness. And I will be receiving the check in 4-7 days.

And I asked her to marry me. Luckily, all I got was a laugh.

congratulations.

abel 1

shitness 0

[ApostateAbe]

congratulations.

abel 1

shitness 0 I exaggerated. The victory is that the score is even, which is better than most people come out. If I wanted to get one-up on them, then I would take them to court and sue them for credit fraud and collections harrassment. But that is unlikely since I want no more to do with them.

I'm surprised.

Not at getting the money back, but at her laughing at your marriage proposal. I mean, you've got a dowry and all now. heh A great hero like her can hook a bigger catch than me, I'm sure.

[Dingfod]

Yeah, but. Would they have a $377 check from Bally Shitness? I don't think so. You're in like Flynn, dude. So, when's the wedding? :wink: