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JackDog
07-13-2006, 07:00 PM
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative so I can agree or argue with just about anyone when it comes to politics, and I was wondering if I was free to do that here. I've posted a few messages (that quickly got deleted) about different articles on Media Matters for America's website, and today they banned me for my opinions. None of my posts could be considered trolling, duplicate or spam posts, taking the discussion off topic, obscene, or hateful...yet some pantywaist over there didn't like what I thought, so they banned me. Will I be free to express my opinions here, even if they're unpopular?

livius drusus
07-13-2006, 07:11 PM
Sure! We're always glad to see variety of opinion and a rousing debate on any given issue with opinons both unpopular and popular supported by accurate sources and well thought-out reasoning.

Welcome to FF, JackDog. :welcome1:

Crumb
07-13-2006, 07:33 PM
I think you will have better luck here, JackDog.

:welcome3:

godfry n. glad
07-13-2006, 07:37 PM
Chances are much better here, JackDog, so get busy.

I'm feeling disagreeable this morning. :mischief:

Welcome.

Sock Puppet
07-13-2006, 07:47 PM
You can say whatever the hell you want here (barring spam, flooding, illegal stuff, death threats, yadda). Others can say whatever the hell they want in response. Be advised, just because somebody says "Shut the fuck up," you don't really have to. It hasn't worked on me yet, anyway. :wink:

godfry n. glad
07-13-2006, 07:56 PM
Shut the fuck up, Sock Puppet.

Smilin
07-13-2006, 09:06 PM
What's the web address of this site you're referring to JackDog?

:welcome3: to the FF!

beyelzu
07-13-2006, 09:13 PM
welcome to the ff jackdog,

i am also socially liberal and fiscally conservative. :tmgrin:

and around here you can just about post whatever the fuck you want.

there are just a couple of rules.

no spamming, no posting illegal shit like kiddie porn, no giving away personal information thats all i can think of. we have a host of ignore options here.

did i miss a rule, we have so few and they are so rarely broken. hmmmm.


anyway, you almost certainly wont be banned jackdog. post what you want, my friend.


:welcome: to the :ff:

wei yau
07-13-2006, 09:15 PM
did i miss a rule, we have so few and they are so rarely broken. hmmmm.


I don't know if it's so much a rule, but I know that I certainly refrain from expressing my opinion of Nick Cave. Death by cranial copulation holds no appeal for me.

Welcome to the :ff: JackDog

beyelzu
07-13-2006, 09:28 PM
:lol:

Sock Puppet
07-13-2006, 09:46 PM
Shut the fuck up, Sock Puppet.
:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.


I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth; banks are going bust; shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter; punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it.

We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat. And we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be!

We all know things are bad -- worse than bad -- they're crazy.

It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out any more. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, "Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials, and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone."

Well, I'm not going to leave you alone.

I want you to get mad!

I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to your Congressman, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street.

All I know is that first, you've got to get mad.

You've gotta say, "I'm a human being, goddammit! My life has value!"

So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell,

"I'm as mad as hell,

and I'm not going to take this anymore!!"



I'm sorry, but I don't want to be an Emperor - that's not my business. I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone, if possible -- Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another; human beings are like that. We want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there's room for everyone and the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone.

The way of life can be free and beautiful.

But we have lost the way.

Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical, our cleverness hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost.

The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women, and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

To those who can hear me I say, "Do not despair." The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass and dictators die; and the power they took from the people will return to the people and so long as men die, liberty will never perish.

Soldiers: Don't give yourselves to brutes, men who despise you, enslave you, who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel; who drill you, diet you, treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don't hate; only the unloved hate, the unloved and the unnatural.

Soldiers: Don't fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the seventeenth chapter of Saint Luke it is written, "the kingdom of God is within man" -- not one man, nor a group of men, but in all men, in you, you the people have the power, the power to create machines, the power to create happiness. You the people have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.

Then, in the name of democracy, let us use that power! Let us all unite!! Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie! They do not fulfill their promise; they never will. Dictators free themselves, but they enslave the people!! Now, let us fight to fulfill that promise!! Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness.

Soldiers: In the name of democracy, let us all unite!!!


See what I mean?

JackDog
07-13-2006, 09:54 PM
Well alright....sounds like this is my kinda place. :bow:



And the site that I got booted from is: http://mediamatters.org/ They're great at keeping the Mainstream Media honest, but don't dare try to voice a dissenting opinion in their forum.

godfry n. glad
07-13-2006, 09:54 PM
(That took you long enough, Sock....)

There, proof positive.

:D

Smilin
07-13-2006, 10:05 PM
And the site that I got booted from is: http://mediamatters.org/ They're great at keeping the Mainstream Media honest, but don't dare try to voice a dissenting opinion in their forum.

Sounds like a challenge to me...heh! :yup:

Legs
07-13-2006, 10:16 PM
Hey Jackdog, welcome to the :ff:

Sock Puppet
07-13-2006, 10:18 PM
(That took you long enough, Sock....)
Blame those damned auditors. I'm on a conference call with them now, too. Lousy buggers are interfering with my blathering time. I wish I could tell THEM to shut the fuck up. :shakefist:

cappuccino
07-14-2006, 03:50 AM
Welcome to FF, JackDog.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative too and I'm still here though I haven't exactly been getting entangled in controversies lately. Been a long long time but I love controversies. You'll like it here for sure.

Now get your ass moving and start posting. :wedgie:

viscousmemories
07-14-2006, 03:54 AM
:welcome: to the FF, JackDog.

Angakuk
07-14-2006, 05:01 AM
I'm a social misfit and fiscally irresponsible. The keepers here let me speak all I want, though they get angry and hurt me when I drool on their nice clean white suits.

Welcome to the monkey house. :monkey:

Dingfod
07-14-2006, 05:44 AM
I'm a total nutjob and they still let me post here. Why not you, JackDog?

Plant Woman
07-14-2006, 07:17 AM
i am also socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Dang it Angakuk you stole my thunder :shakefist: , but anyway:

I am fiscally liberal and socially inept.

Annie
07-14-2006, 08:54 AM
I was wondering if I was free to do that here.

I've posted a few messages (that quickly got deleted) about different articles on Media Matters for America's website, and today they banned me for my opinions.

Yet some pantywaist over there didn't like what I thought, so they banned me. Will I be free to express my opinions here, even if they're unpopular?

Generally, you'll find (including here) the more your Beliefs, thoughts, & daily practices are mainstreamed, the more you'll be "accepted".

1. You atheist? - Fit right in; even Christians.
2. You obey dogmatic med-doctrines as 'Gospel-truths'? - great!
3. You are judged by 'how well' others think, you reason. And if they accept sources as 'accurate' - All of course, based on her/his experience.

Fundamentally, what nourishes/nurtures both you as well as others:
Mainstream-reasons?. Practicing constructively freed independent living?

Your choice,

Annie

Dingfod
07-14-2006, 09:23 AM
Annie, nobody has stopped you from posting anything, you've not been edited or anything of the sort. Who gives a crap if you're accepted or not? You should be used to that by now.

Legs
07-14-2006, 01:16 PM
:yeahthat:

LadyShea
07-14-2006, 01:47 PM
Yep, you can post any damned thing you want, as can everyone else. Sometimes everyone else will think you suck and post "Wow do you ever suck!".

Welcome!

chick
07-15-2006, 04:40 AM
They let me post here once a month or so.

Stormlight
07-15-2006, 08:15 AM
They let me post here once a month or so.

And that was your post for July, chick. Now back in the cage with you! :P

:chickx:

Miisa
07-15-2006, 10:02 PM
I am not really wierd enough to post here. Not really. I was, however, given a probationary membership as I do judge people on the basis of their phone numbers.

livius drusus
07-15-2006, 10:47 PM
Nothing weird to see here, folks. Move along.
:nanadeal:

Shake
07-16-2006, 03:47 AM
Welcome, JackDog!

I think your question in the thread title has been answered sufficiently, so I'll just reiterate my welcome to you, instead. Welcome.