MAFIA - Game II

[viscousmemories]

Welcome to the :ff: edition of Mafia - Game II

Visit Mafiascum.net (http://www.mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/HomePage) or the Mafia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_%28game%29) wikipedia entry if you don't know what this is all about.

This thread is for active game players (listed below) only. Posts by non- or eliminated players will be removed.

All :ff: members may discuss the game in the Peanut Gallery (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207) thread.

This Mafia consists of 20 players, including the following characters:

3 Mafia (with the option to recruit 1 more*)
1 Cop (may investigate role of 1 player per night)
1 Doctor (may protect one player from being killed per night, no consecutive protections of the same player and no protecting themselves)
1 Vigilante (may kill one suspected mafia per night)

*Recruiting: During any night (once in the game) the mafia may decide to recruit instead of kill a player. This player will then join the mafia for the duration of the game. Any player is susceptible to recruitment, regardless of their role. Naturally the mafia will learn the player's former role and any information he/she learned while in that position.

This version is a non-PMing version of the game. Ordinary townies should not be exchanging game-related PM's.

All game play should occur during daytime and within the game thread. There are no discussions at night in the game thread. When a solid consensus of votes has been reached 50% +1 vote, any player may call nightfall and all game play should immediately cease. Any posts made after nightfall will be removed to the peanut gallery thread.

Any surviving Mafia can PM each other and mafia, the cop, and the doc and vigilante all PM me there choices for a kill, investigation or protection.

Votes must be in bold or they won't be counted!

The game consists of the following players:

Julie
Legs
Adam
trillian
Smilin
minus
livius drusus
TomJoe
balluga
Joshua Adams
cappuccino
Spenser
slimshady2357
NC Kev
Crumb
Clutch Munny
beyelzu
Sock Puppet
widget
Jacey

* * * * * * * * INTRODUCTION * * * * * * * * *

As the sun unwraps the darkness over Jersey City, the townsfolk begin to rise. On this particular morning every citizen is vastly more optimistic than the week before. Last night's town hall meeting was widely considered a complete success, with a strong majority in agreement on an answer to the overwhelming crime problem: Find and lynch every member of the bastard Tribiani crime family. Of course the townies aren't the only ones with sugar in their coffee, as far as the Tribiani's are concerned these townsfolk couldn't find a rat in a thimble. Besides, any excuse for a bloodbath is a good one.

Everyone agrees: it's going to be a good week.

Please wait for your PMs telling you your role before posting, I'm sending them within the hour. Feel free to PM me with any questions.

[viscousmemories]

Okay, all the PM's have been sent. Again, contact me with any questions about your role.

Daybreak

[Spenser]

Morning all!

Random Vote: Adam

[Joshua Adams]

Just checking in. I'm not going to vote yet, though.

[Crumb]

That vote doesn't look too random there spenser.

:ciao:

Good intro gm.

[livius drusus]

Ah, I love it when a town meeting comes together. Now for a little kip. :hammock:

[Adam]

That was about as random as my coin toss vote last game. Um...er...don't kill me, it will lower your chance of winning by .0562%...I swear, I've done the math! Besides, I'm the Doctor, the Cop, and the Used Car Salesman.

[viscousmemories]

Glad y'all like the intro. :)

Btw, it's 11 votes to lynch at this stage of the game.

[Spenser]

I'm ... the Used Car Salesman.

Trying to get me to solidify my vote?

[Legs]

Hi all :tiphat:

[Adam]

Hi, Legs! :asshat:

[Joshua Adams]

That was about as random as my coin toss vote last game. Um...er...don't kill me, it will lower your chance of winning by .0562%...I swear, I've done the math! Besides, I'm the Doctor, the Cop, and the Used Car Salesman. Careful there buddy (http://mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/LynchAllLiars)

:D

[Crumb]

Why not throw out another random vote?

Vote: wei yau widget

[Spenser]

That was about as random as my coin toss vote last game. Um...er...don't kill me, it will lower your chance of winning by .0562%...I swear, I've done the math! Besides, I'm the Doctor, the Cop, and the Used Car Salesman. Careful there buddy (http://mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/LynchAllLiars)

:D

Didn't you know that linking to Mafiascum.net (http://mafiascum.net) was a common tell??? :whup:

[Kevlar]

Everyone looks suspicious to me.

[Joshua Adams]

Didn't you know that linking to Mafiascum.net was a common tell??? :whup:A townie tell?

[Crumb]

a n00b tell

[Spenser]

I didn't get to edit in the link before you quoted me. With that I am off folks...

[Kevlar]

I personally saw Crumb holding $90k in another thread. No townie would have that kind of money.

[Crumb]

Just a lucky day at the track. Don't worry i am sure I am about to lose it all.

[Joshua Adams]

I'll be keeping a personal concise record of all the votes for each day (including order), so if anyone wants me to dump that info later when it gets laborious to go back and check yourself...

[Widget]

Errm I thought Legsy and I were going to have an early night...I guess not.

[Crumb]

I am doing the same thing, Joshua. :yup:

[Crumb]

I don't think the first day should keep you up late widget.

[Kevlar]

All we have to do is lynch somebody, then we can go to bed.

[Joshua Adams]

Even if you leave and go to sleep before there's a lynch, it's not that big a deal. There's no time limit and not everyone has to vote to end the day.

[Adam]

Is there any better strategy for the first day than random accusations and watching how the votes line up?

[curses]

Howdy all!

[Kevlar]

We could just lynch people alphabetically... Adam

[cappuccino]

Morning all, I'm feeling dapperly today. What's this all about Mafia overruning our beautiful town?

[Widget]

Is there any better strategy for the first day than random accusations and watching how the votes line up?

Likely not, how the votes come in could be a clue.

[Crumb]

Yeah, the only people who know anything are mafia. Townies have to guess, I guess.

[TomJoe]

Checking in.

[Legs]

Minus' avatar looks so guilty


vote: minus

[Kevlar]

Well, Crumb turned $20k into $266K at the track. Nobody does that without connections.

[cappuccino]

Just to get the ball rolling with the voting, I literally covered my eyes and put my finger on the list randomly, that's how I got Joshua Adams. No offense there, man.

Vote: Joshua Adams

[Kevlar]

vote: Crumb

Sorry dude, but you'll die rich

[Legs]

So if we're all from Jersey City do we sound like Fran Drescher? :blink:

[Adam]

Gawd, I hope not.

Btw, if anyone finds this useful, I dunno how the rest of ya'll are keeping notes, but there's a sticky note plugin called Red for the Google homepage that I'm gonna use, so I have access to mine at home and work. You can add multiple copies of it to your homepage, so I added two extras underneath the one I use to hold random nonsense, one for vote history and one for tallies. I dunno what the upper limit is on characters it can hold, but I hope it's not low enough that the vote history overwhelms it.

[livius drusus]

Checking in.

:ciao: So hey, just out of curiosity, what's your stance on ethnic profiling?

[Joshua Adams]

It's sort of in my best interest to not be tied for first, so: Vote: Crumb

tally:
Julie
Legs - minus
Adam
trillian
Smilin
minus
livius drusus
TomJoe
balluga
Joshua Adams - Crumb
cappuccino - Joshua Adams
Spenser - Adam
slimshady2357
NC Kev - Crumb
Crumb - Widget
Clutch Munny
beyelzu
Sock Puppet
widget
Jacey

Crumb: 2
Adam: 1
Joshua Adams: 1
minus: 1
Widget: 1

[TomJoe]

Checking in.

:ciao: So hey, just out of curiosity, what's your stance on ethnic profiling?

LOL.

I dunno, who's the one who spent all that time in Italy?

[livius drusus]

Ah, but I'm German-Irish by blood.

/me waits for TJ to call her his Kraut-Mick friend.

[curses]

So if we're all from Jersey City do we sound like Fran Drescher? :blink:
Oh dear god, please no.

In the interest of just moving it along...

vote:Legs for calling my precious lil kitty guilty*




*even though she got her butt thrown outside a few minutes ago for trying to eat my brownie. And I flipped a coin. Too many people to choose from.

[Legs]

If a flaming pussy isn't questionable, I don't know what is. :chin:

[curses]

Can't be more questionable than a pair of bare legs :P

[TomJoe]

Ah, but I'm German-Irish by blood.

* livius drusus waits for TJ to call her his Kraut-Mick friend.

Heh. Fortunately for me, I don't own a horse, nor am I a movie producer.

My dad is a Kraut-Mick too. When I was a kid, I used to think I was part Italian, part Irish and part German Shepherd.

[Joshua Adams]

Good idea to put votes in color, but navy doesn't stand out enough from the black when it's on white. I could just barely tell it was different.

Edit: :)

[Widget]

OK tit for tat.

vote:crumb

[curses]

/me bows out for an afternoon siesta, and because all the bandwidth is being taken up by the hubby at the moment.

[Legs]

Tally
Julie
Legs - minus
Adam
trillian
Smilin
minus - Legs
livius drusus
TomJoe
balluga
Joshua Adams - Crumb
cappuccino - Joshua Adams
Spenser - Adam
slimshady2357
NC Kev - Crumb
Crumb - Widget
Clutch Munny
beyelzu
Sock Puppet
widget - Crumb
Jacey



Totals
Crumb: 3
Adam: 1
Joshua Adams: 1
minus: 1
Widget: 1
Legs: 1

[Crumb]

OK tit for tat.

vote:crumb
:rolleyes:

Why do I have to always be bandwagoned on Day 1?

[Legs]

I would hardly call 3 a bandwagon when it takes 11 votes :giggles:

[Crumb]

Oh and vm, how did we decide to solve the pm tracking problem?

[Legs]

Maybe the mafia should give each other their email addys... then no one can see them PM same for the cop/dr./vig :shrug:

[viscousmemories]

I decided not to do anything about it. I recommend that all players go invisible, watch your PM usage or choose another form of communication.

You can contact me directly via email using my username at gmail.

[Crumb]

Ah the gmail is a good solution.

Without that option the situation would help the mafia a lot.

[Joshua Adams]

I'll be away for about 30-45 minutes or so.

[cappuccino]

I'll be away for about 30-45 minutes or so.

Gone off to fraternize with his Mafia buddies, I expect. :susp2:

[Legs]

vm did you pick names at random to assign roles? or did you pick particular people for particular things?

[Joshua Adams]

Back, a little early.

Edit: Legs, in the peanut gallery he said he assigned them at random.

[viscousmemories]

vm did you pick names at random to assign roles? or did you pick particular people for particular things?
I assigned the roles randomly.

I also just split off about five off-topic posts. Game players only on this thread, please.

[Joshua Adams]

The following people have not checked in yet: balluga, beyelzu, Clutch Munny, Jacie Julie, slimshady2357, Smilin, Sock Puppet, trillian.

Hmm.

edit: well that was eerie.

[balluga]

Just checking in. I have no idea at this point, and judging by my skill from the mafia game at II, whomever I choose will not be mafia. I am going to wait for a while on this one.

[Julie]

I'm here. Was off at my sisters. Made an awesom Doll, was going to be for my cousins new baby but It turned out so well I think I'm going to ebay it ;)

At this point I have no idea who to vote for....but remember SAVE CRUMBs (They are great for breading chicken)

[Crumb]

So far all my openning votes have been for mafia. :snooty:

[Julie]

You say like we've plaied lots of games.

heh

[Crumb]

I know. :giggles:

[trillian]

I'm so surprised this is up so quick. It is nice because I was bummed out being killed by mafia in the iidb game today. :sad: I'm alive again!(and ready to kick mafia ass and not kill the cop like I just did earlier)

See you all tomorrow.

[viscousmemories]

I've updated the OP of this thread to add the following:

*Recruiting: During any night (once in the game) the mafia may decide to recruit instead of kill a player. This player will then join the mafia for the duration of the game. Any player is susceptible to recruitment, regardless of their role. Naturally the mafia will learn the player's former role and any information he/she learned while in that position.

[Julie]

Oh thats cool! That way townies can get an exciting role too! heh

[slimshady2357]

Checking in this morning, I'm five (or more) hours ahead of most of you, so night time for you is bedtime for me. And I'll be wandering around town this morning waiting for you sleepy heads to wake up.

:wave:

[Legs]

Good morning to my fellow townies :wave: and to all you mafia dirtbags too :noid:

[Kevlar]

No new votes? I thought Crumb would have been lynched by now.

[cappuccino]

I think most of the people are now being cautious.

We've got this so far,

Totals
Crumb: 3
Adam: 1
Joshua Adams: 1
minus: 1
Widget: 1
Legs: 1

Who's up to upping the total votes?

[slimshady2357]

I do like the idea of getting the game moving along, because with 11 votes needed for the first lynching, we could be here for a while.

But it's so hard to choose when the game starts, there is little to no info available. Do most of these games just start with a random lynching?

[Legs]

Well to move things along

unvote

vote: Crumb

[cappuccino]

Do most of these games just start with a random lynching?

Yeah, pretty much so. We can only deduce information by using voting patterns later into the game. At the beginning, we've got absolutely nothing to work with. Each player's got an equal chance of being lynched the first day. It might as well be Crumb, I admit I'm feeling a bit impatient.

Unvote

Vote: Crumb

[Kevlar]

:angrymob:

[Jacey]

I usually take a while and sit back when playing with new players, trying observe how everyone acts. Of course that's why I died in the first game but I'm willing to give it another shot. Most everything is random in this game for the first two days anyway........

[slimshady2357]

I usually take a while and sit back when playing with new players, trying observe how everyone acts. Of course that's why I died in the first game but I'm willing to give it another shot. Most everything is random in this game for the first two days anyway........

So pretty much some random (probably innocent given the odds) person is going to be lynched the first day in most games?

Because if so, then I might just vote for Crumb too, to get the game moving along.

Sorry Crumb, but if SOMEONE is going to be randomly chosen anyone (and that seems enevitable), then you have the most votes right now.

[beyelzu]

I do like the idea of getting the game moving along, because with 11 votes needed for the first lynching, we could be here for a while.

But it's so hard to choose when the game starts, there is little to no info available. Do most of these games just start with a random lynching?


random or wifoming which can be kind of random anyway.

but not bandwagonning someone is generally a good idea. you dont want to kill someone too quickly.

[beyelzu]

I'm so surprised this is up so quick. It is nice because I was bummed out being killed by mafia in the iidb game today. :sad: I'm alive again!(and ready to kick mafia ass and not kill the cop like I just did earlier)

See you all tomorrow.
no hard feelings, i got offline before daybreak there so i left sure that you were mafia, boy was i surprised when you were killed.

but yes its good to be alive.

[beyelzu]

to whoever is the cop, wait a few days(game time) to out yourself. if you get close to being voted for lynching 1-2 away out yourself. given how many kills are going to go on in the game. also if the mafia establishes a pattern early on who they are killing, make sure you try to view people that you think arent likely mob targets, either they are suspicoius and mafia or innocent and unlikely to be killed. when you do out yourself, the more people you can clear or convict the better.

hopefully that helps if a newer player has the cop role.

[beyelzu]

vote nc kev

for the fuck of it.

[Adam]

In the interest of getting a second bandwagon going to compete with Crumb's, so we can see different reactions from different people, I'll also Vote: NC Kev simply because he's one of the people who already has a vote for him.

[Crumb]

Thanks Adam. It is not good to have a single bandwagon on the first round. We need to get people to switch their votes around and make some choices. This is a random vote for townies, but it is not random for mafia.

Unvote; Vote NC Kev

Please don't vote for me... :please:

[viscousmemories]

Reminder: As mentioned in the game opener, any player can call Nightfall when there have been enough votes to lynch, so if you know you're casting the deciding vote go ahead and call Nightfall at the same time. In any case there's no reason to post after the deciding vote is cast, because all posts made after that will be split off to the peanut gallery when I get a chance to review the thread.

[Clutch Munny]

Whoa, you people are quick. Four pages!

Great OP, vm.

Since it's all basically arbitrary at this point, and having read through the first game's thread, I'm going to

Vote: Adam

on the "he's got it coming" principle. If he's scum then he deserves it twice over.

[beyelzu]

yeah, the last one had less players and produced like a billion pages. really i think it was around 700 posts.

i wonder how long this one goes.

[Kevlar]

Go ahead and kill me if you like, but I guarantee you will regret having killed an innocent townsperson.

Only a cowardly criminal type would beg for mercy from an angry mob.

[TomJoe]

Yeah, pretty much so. We can only deduce information by using voting patterns later into the game. At the beginning, we've got absolutely nothing to work with. Each player's got an equal chance of being lynched the first day. It might as well be Crumb, I admit I'm feeling a bit impatient.

Unvote

Vote: Crumb

I concur. Someone has to go in the first round. Otherwise this game won't be going anywhere. Since he has the most votes so far, I may as well ...

Vote: Crumb

Besides, he just kicked all our asses in horse racing. He can sit back and relax and gloat about his victory for a few days.

[Kevlar]

Besides, he just kicked all our asses in horse racing. He can sit back and relax and gloat about his victory for a few days.

That was my reasoning as well. Nothing personal Crumb, but angry mobs always go after the rich people first.

[slimshady2357]

I'm off for home in about 80 mins and I don't know how much I'll be able to check in after that. If nothing much changes, I'll probably vote for Crumb before I leave from work.

Can someone post a list of votes so far please?

[Sock Puppet]

Whew, I thought vm would start this in the morning. Freaked me a bit when I saw it started shortly after I logged off and already hit 4 pages. Luckily I wasn't lynched in the interim, since I already look like an effigy.

I'm voting for Kev because he started a preliminary anti-Crumb campaign leading up to his vote, and now Crumb is the frontrunner. Much as I'd like to get a mob's share of Crumb's winnings, for now I'll --

vote: NC Kev

Day One: votes

Julie
Legs -Crumb (unvoted minus)
Adam -NC Kev
trillian
Smilin
minus -Legs
livius drusus
TomJoe -Crumb
balluga
Joshua Adams -Crumb
cappuccino -Crumb (unvoted Joshua Adams)
Spenser -Adam
slimshady2357
NC Kev -Crumb
Crumb -NC Kev (unvoted Widget)
Clutch Munny -Adam
beyelzu -NC Kev
Sock Puppet -NC Kev
widget -Crumb
Jacey

**Totals**
Crumb: 6
Adam: 2
Joshua Adams: 0 (was 1)
minus: 0 (was 1)
Widget: 0 (was 1)
Legs: 1
NC Kev: 4

[cappuccino]

At this stage, we've got to be ruthless in pruning the list of :mafioso: possibilities but Crumb's right, it's a good thing to have at least two bandwagons in order to gauge the voting patterns. Though my vote still stands :asshat:

[Crumb]

:para:

[curses]

Morning, all. :waves:
At this stage, we've got to be ruthless in pruning the list of :mafioso: possibilities but Crumb's right, it's a good thing to have at least two bandwagons in order to gauge the voting patterns. Though my vote still stands :asshat:I think you guys are right on this, I can't imagine spending 2 days just spinning our wheels.

unvote, vote NC Kev

[Legs]

I don't think Adam would be scum two games in a row so I am going to assume he is a townie.

bey is doing a lot of talking - so he is probably a townie (mafia would be laying low IMO)

Crumb was a good guy last time, so he may be scum this time round. I am sticking with Crumb.

[Adam]

Unless vm is lying about having used a random method to pick roles, last game's roles don't have any effect on this game's roles.

That vm is a rather shady character, though... :chin:

[cappuccino]

Legs, be careful about falling into the gambler's fallacy trap. vm gave the roles randomly via the ran function in Excel so it's equally likely that the people you mentioned above aren't what you think they are, regardless of who they were last game.

[Kevlar]

I don't think Adam would be scum two games in a row so I am going to assume he is a townie.

bey is doing a lot of talking - so he is probably a townie (mafia would be laying low IMO)

Crumb was a good guy last time, so he may be scum this time round. I am sticking with Crumb.

That's kind of my reasoning about Crumb. At first it was just a random "somebody's got to go" thing, now he's just being too quiet about it.

[trillian]

Flipped for it. Tails.

Vote: NC Kev

I'm out for an itty bitty surgery most of today but will try to get back on this afternoon if I'm not too druggy :drugs:. (btw I'm kinda diggin all these smilies)

[beyelzu]

Go ahead and kill me if you like, but I guarantee you will regret having killed an innocent townsperson.

Only a cowardly criminal type would beg for mercy from an angry mob.

early declarations of innocence are a mob tell, i got lynched for that at ii last game and i was the cop

[Crumb]

Being too quiet?

:confused:

I'm an innocent townie. I'd rather not be lynched. Lynch NC Kev instead. Is that better?

sheesh. Our roles in game 1 have nothing to do with our roles in this game. vm chose them randomly.

[beyelzu]

Flipped for it. Tails.

Vote: NC Kev

I'm out for an itty bitty surgery most of today but will try to get back on this afternoon if I'm not too druggy :drugs:. (btw I'm kinda diggin all these smilies)
we do have some great smilies

everything ok, trill?

surgery wise?

[Smilin]

Just checking in.

Don't know how much I'm going to be able to participate in this game.

My father-in-law had a heart attack last night. :(

I may have to leave the game prematurely.

Just wanted everyone to know.

Catching up now and reading where we're at. Will be back with my vote sometime after lunch today. (In about an hour)

[Kevlar]

Go ahead and kill me if you like, but I guarantee you will regret having killed an innocent townsperson.

Only a cowardly criminal type would beg for mercy from an angry mob.

early declarations of innocence are a mob tell, i got lynched for that at ii last game and i was the cop

Sounds like classic misdirection to me.

Especially since Crumb was begging for his life in the post right above my 'declaration of innocence'.

[beyelzu]

shit man, i hope everything is ok with your fatherinlaw

[Kevlar]

shit man, i hope everything is ok with your fatherinlaw

ditto

[cappuccino]

I'm sorry to hear of your father-in-law :( I hope he'll make a speedy recovery. We can always lynch you if you want to.

The probability that Crumb's a townie's 17/20 and the probability of him being a mafioso is 3/20, so the odd of being innocent's greatly in his favor.

[livius drusus]

Yeah, that "being too quiet about it" justification sounds a tad contrived at this early stage in the game. I reads like misdirection to me. :think1:

(btw I'm kinda diggin all these smilies)

:chestram:

[Smilin]

Flipped for it. Tails.

Vote: NC Kev

I'm out for an itty bitty surgery most of today but will try to get back on this afternoon if I'm not too druggy :drugs:. (btw I'm kinda diggin all these smilies)


Hoping everything went well with your surgery Trillian. :wave:

~Smilin

[livius drusus]

Best wishes to your dad-in-law for a speedy recovery, Smilin. I hope Mrs. Smilin is okay. :badday:

[Crumb]

Damn Smilin, when it rains if poors. :manhug:
Catching up now and reading where we're at. Will be back with my vote sometime after lunch today. (In about an hour)
You know you want me to stay in the game. :yup: Give NC Kev the ax.

[Clutch Munny]

The selection is random, vm says. So Adam's as likely as anyone to be scum this time.

Nobody else thinks he has it coming? It's a thin pretext, I'll admit, but thin's better than nothing at this point.

[viscousmemories]

I'm sorry about your father-in-law, Smilin. :(

Good luck with your surgery, trillian. :crossed:

[beyelzu]

Go ahead and kill me if you like, but I guarantee you will regret having killed an innocent townsperson.

Only a cowardly criminal type would beg for mercy from an angry mob.

early declarations of innocence are a mob tell, i got lynched for that at ii last game and i was the cop

Sounds like classic misdirection to me.

Especially since Crumb was begging for his life in the post right above my 'declaration of innocence'.
its the whole juxtaposition of things, you accuse crumb say that he is being too quiet, which i really dont say. declare your own innocence complete with im not going to beg only a criminal would do that shtick.

hmmm..

[Smilin]

I'm sorry to hear of your father-in-law :( I hope he'll make a speedy recovery. We can always lynch you if you want to.

The probability that Crumb's a townie's 17/20 and the probability of him being a mafioso is 3/20, so the odd of being innocent's greatly in his favor.

I may ask to be lynched instead of bowing out. You know give everyone some enjoyment of impaling me, tearing my limbs off, castrating me, etc.

I'm waiting now for a call from my wife to hear about his status.

Thanks everyone for all the well wishes. That man is the world to me. He basically took care of my family while I was in my coma.

I am being optimistic at this point however.

[livius drusus]

Nobody else thinks he has it coming? It's a thin pretext, I'll admit, but thin's better than nothing at this point.
I don't think he has it coming, but I can see how someone might wish to see the last game's most accomplished liar eliminated first. That's not about revenge so much as pre-emptive self-defense, though.

Having said that, I don't find that sufficient motivation for me to vote for him.

[curses]

I'm waiting now for a call from my wife to hear about his status.

Thanks everyone for all the well wishes. That man is the world to me. He basically took care of my family while I was in my coma.

I am being optimistic at this point however.:hug: Smilin.

[Smilin]

Best wishes to your dad-in-law for a speedy recovery, Smilin. I hope Mrs. Smilin is okay. :badday:

They transfered him to St. Thomas hospital in Nashville last night (this morning at about 3a.m. I'm still anxiously waiting to hear from her now. She's one tough bird given what she went through with me.

Thanks so much liv.

This is why I love this place and you people so much.

:kiss:

[Clutch Munny]

don't think he has it coming, but I can see how someone might wish to see the last game's most accomplished liar eliminated first. That's not about revenge so much as pre-emptive self-defense, though.

Well, maybe you're right. But the preemptive self-defense rationale is in bad odour these days...

[Sock Puppet]

Sorry to hear about your father-in-law, Smilin. I hope you and Mrs. Smilin are doing okay. An alternative to lynching Smilin's character is just to recruit a stand-in who can give his spot back if the character is still alive.

By the way, there are lots of players visible reading this thread. Y'all might want to think about that come Nightfall. I'm just sayin'.

[beyelzu]

I'm sorry to hear of your father-in-law :( I hope he'll make a speedy recovery. We can always lynch you if you want to.

The probability that Crumb's a townie's 17/20 and the probability of him being a mafioso is 3/20, so the odd of being innocent's greatly in his favor.

I may ask to be lynched instead of bowing out. You know give everyone some enjoyment of impaling me, tearing my limbs off, castrating me, etc.

I'm waiting now for a call from my wife to hear about his status.

Thanks everyone for all the well wishes. That man is the world to me. He basically took care of my family while I was in my coma.

I am being optimistic at this point however.

shit, i didnt know you were in a coma. and now that you underline your finl's importance, i really hope hes ok.

well, if you have to quit, vm can just modkill you. that way we dont waste a lynch.

when is your wife supposed to call? do you know how serious the heartattack was? also, im pretty sure everything will be ok, modern medicine and all that. heartattacks are very treatable.

[livius drusus]

Well, maybe you're right. But the preemptive self-defense rationale is in bad odour these days...
Whereas he had it coming is always en vogue. I understand.

[beyelzu]

don't think he has it coming, but I can see how someone might wish to see the last game's most accomplished liar eliminated first. That's not about revenge so much as pre-emptive self-defense, though.

Well, maybe you're right. But the preemptive self-defense rationale is in bad odour these days...
indeed, it was a poor rationale for the US and its a poor rational for us.

[Clutch Munny]

Fine, liv. Vote: livius drusus.

[livius drusus]

Meanie. :funface:

[beyelzu]

I may ask to be lynched instead of bowing out. You know give everyone some enjoyment of impaling me, tearing my limbs off, castrating me, etc.


if you do decide to quit, we could probably get nightson to play instead, he tried to signup but was a little late.

[Clutch Munny]

Nah, just kidding. Unvote

Vote NC Kev

Since Kev and Crumb seem to be the current Kang and Kodos, there's no point throwing away my vote on a third-party candidate.

[TomJoe]

Well, at the moment Clutch's vote doesn't count because he needs to unvote, and then vote for you, all in bold.

ETA: Nevermind.

[beyelzu]

Fine, liv. Vote: livius drusus.
wasnt in bold. doesnt count. plus you have to say unvote if you want to change your vote.

like this

unvote, vote clutch munny

unvote, vote nc kev

[Sock Puppet]

deleted

[Clutch Munny]

See, I told you I was kidding!

[beyelzu]

argh, should have known that clutch pays attention to the rules.

damn, i feel slow.

me and tj both evidentally.

[livius drusus]

See, I told you I was kidding!
I knew it along. Hence the :funface:.



:funface:

[Kevlar]

its the whole juxtaposition of things, you accuse crumb say that he is being too quiet, which i really dont say. declare your own innocence complete with im not going to beg only a criminal would do that shtick.

hmmm..

I'm not quite following that logic.

I'm saying you're making an issue out of my declaration of innocence, when Crumb was doing the same thing in the post right above mine. So why would my "pleading" be more suspicious that his? I think you're covering your mafia buddy.

I never said anything about you saying Crumb was too quiet, that was in response to Legs comment.

This is an obvious obfuscation.

[Smilin]

I may ask to be lynched instead of bowing out. You know give everyone some enjoyment of impaling me, tearing my limbs off, castrating me, etc.


if you do decide to quit, we could probably get nightson to play instead, he tried to signup but was a little late.


Am trying to stick with it bey. Just wanted everyone to know of what's going one since I won't be saying much initially.

Kind of opposite of how I acted last game where I came out shooting first, asking questions later, then mopping up body parts afterward.

I suggest we start as many as three initial "band wagons" to establish a clear voting history.

What does everyone else think?

[Clutch Munny]

I get the rules. Thanks, all. Totally understandable that you would think I didn't, but I was pulling liv's leg.

(It's a great leg; I recommend you pull it if you get the chance.)

[Crumb]

nm, too fing slow....

[TomJoe]

argh, should have known that clutch pays attention to the rules.

damn, i feel slow.

me and tj both evidentally.

Yah yah yah ... I'm a :fruit:

[Sock Puppet]

Okay, so I have it at:

NC Kev - 7
Crumb - 6
Adam - 1

I have a 2-hour meeting. Stupid work. Back at about 11am PDT.

[TomJoe]

You know what would be cool?

A poll where people could change their votes. Then we could have a "real time tally". And each day/night, vm could take off the names of the people who were lynched/whacked, to keep people from voting for dead people.

ETA: This probably should have been made in the Peanut Gallery, eh? :sigh:

[Smilin]

How many does it take to get lynched now?

[beyelzu]

its the whole juxtaposition of things, you accuse crumb say that he is being too quiet, which i really dont say. declare your own innocence complete with im not going to beg only a criminal would do that shtick.

hmmm..

I'm not quite following that logic.

I'm saying you're making an issue out of my declaration of innocence, when Crumb was doing the same thing in the post right above mine. So why would my "pleading" be more suspicious that his? I think you're covering your mafia buddy.

I never said anything about you saying Crumb was too quiet, that was in response to Legs comment.

This is an obvious obfuscation.nah its an obvious brainfart. i meant to say that i dont get the crumb is too quiet comment in general. i find that reason specious. the way you said you were innocent just sets off my mafia detector.

and it is rarely a good idea for mafia to defend eachother. especially early. smilin got lynched for suggesting liv was innocent last game.

so if you think i am suspicouis and or lying, vote for me. but dont base it on assuming that i dont understand the game at all.

i might suck at it, but i understand it.

[Kevlar]

How many does it take to get lynched now?

11

[beyelzu]

its eleven to lynch.

[slimshady2357]

Ok, not much has really changed. There are two pretty much randomly chosen people now...

I'll stick with what I said before and vote before I leave work:

vote Crumb

[Kevlar]

nah its an obvious brainfart. i meant to say that i dont get the crumb is too quiet comment in general. i find that reason specious. the way you said you were innocent just sets off my mafia detector.

and it is rarely a good idea for mafia to defend eachother. especially early. smilin got lynched for suggesting liv was innocent last game.

so if you think i am suspicouis and or lying, vote for me. but dont base it on assuming that i dont understand the game at all.

i might suck at it, but i understand it.

A bit defensive aren't we? No one even remotely suggested that you didn't understand the game.

So the way I declared my innocence is more suspicious than the way Crumb declared his innocence? Interesting.

Your comment about Smilin is also interesting, because you never suggested Crumb was innocent (before now). I just suggested that you were protecting him.

In all probabilites Crumb is innocent, since he was picked at random to begin with.

unvote

vote: beyelzu

[beyelzu]

to make things interesting. all of us innocent townies should not go invisible. only the scum should.

which will of course force them to not go invisible. i say this becuase although 13 members are reading the thread, only 9 names are visible.

the difference of course is four, the three mobsters and the doc or cop??? or lunatic. hmm...

[Crumb]

unvote; vote: beyelzu

[Smilin]

and it is rarely a good idea for mafia to defend eachother. especially early. smilin got lynched for suggesting liv was innocent last game.

and she played the I'm a n00b part so well too didn't she? :whup:
I fucked up big time last game by going after Jaycey and then defending liv (who turned out to be mafia after that)
My goose was cooked after that. :doh:
Oh well, I learned something as a result. Learned that mafia probably won't stick up for each other in this game. They'll just lie low trying not to draw attention to themselves. :yup:

Also learned not to jump on bandwagons either. So for now I obstain from voting until patterns start to emerge. Back to reading, thinking and trying to develop strategy.
:popcorn:

[beyelzu]

nah its an obvious brainfart. i meant to say that i dont get the crumb is too quiet comment in general. i find that reason specious. the way you said you were innocent just sets off my mafia detector.

and it is rarely a good idea for mafia to defend eachother. especially early. smilin got lynched for suggesting liv was innocent last game.

so if you think i am suspicouis and or lying, vote for me. but dont base it on assuming that i dont understand the game at all.

i might suck at it, but i understand it.

A bit defensive aren't we? No one even remotely suggested that you didn't understand the game.

So the way I declared my innocence is more suspicious than the way Crumb declared his innocence? Interesting.

Your comment about Smilin is also interesting, because you never suggested Crumb was innocent (before now). I just suggested that you were protecting him.

In all probabilites Crumb is innocent, since he was picked at random to begin with.

unvote

vote: beyelzu


right you suggested i was protecting him and hinted that we are mafia fuck buddies or whatever. im not protecting anyone, i dont particularly suspect crumb at this point. but i damn sure suspect you my friend.

[Crumb]

to make things interesting. all of us innocent townies should not go invisible. only the scum should.

which will of course force them to not go invisible. i say this becuase although 13 members are reading the thread, only 9 names are visible.
Actually I think being un-invisible benefits the mafia. If a townie sees six people posting pms at night he doesn't know which three are mafia and which 3 are doc, cop & vigilante. The mafia will know which three are which and start picking off the special roles.

[beyelzu]

delicious, now i have two votes for me cool.

crumbles you want to back that up or just labor under the suspicion of making a wishy washy vote for no reason?

[beyelzu]

to make things interesting. all of us innocent townies should not go invisible. only the scum should.

which will of course force them to not go invisible. i say this becuase although 13 members are reading the thread, only 9 names are visible.
Actually I think being un-invisible benefits the mafia. If a townie sees six people posting pms at night he doesn't know which three are mafia and which 3 are doc, cop & vigilante. The mafia will know which three are which and start picking off the special roles.
but the mafia have to coordinate their votes so they have to send more pms, takes longer adn more likely to be found. the townie specials can just wait for deeper into nightfall. wait for people not to notice, since they just have to send one pm to the vm the gm.

[Crumb]

I'm just wishy-washy because I have nothing to go on. You are making suggestions that support the mafia so I voted for you. :shrug: It is a day for grasping at straws.

[Smilin]

I just love how I've thrown the whole *mind fucking* thing about PM activities into the whole mix of the game. Nothing like interjecting a little paranoia into such a game eh?

I'm sure mafia learned from their previous mistake when I caught wei and Adam PMing each other. I'm confident enought that they won't make that mistake again..hence I'm remaining visible.

[Kevlar]

right you suggested i was protecting him and hinted that we are mafia fuck buddies or whatever. im not protecting anyone, i dont particularly suspect crumb at this point. but i damn sure suspect you my friend.

So far, your only rational for my being mafia is your 'feelings'. Your speech is quite inflamatory, as if you are trying to stir up an angry mob. Again, I think it's misdirection.

[balluga]

bey is doing a lot of talking - so he is probably a townie (mafia would be laying low IMO)

From what I have seen, it is just his style of play. He would keep up the same pattern if he were mafia or town. It doesnt tell us one thing or another about him. Not that I suspect him or anything, just that activity isnt a good way to tell if someone is mafia or town.

[beyelzu]

fair enough, i have made quite a few suggestions that helped the town. i posted some decent advice to the cop in case its a new player. i have a different opinion of the all visible action which i posted. i understand your reasoning for thinking posting visible hurts the town and i will consider it. but currently i disagree. it is just too quick and easy to open two browsers click on pms then click on a thead inthe other tab. and then post a one word one name request to vm if you are a good special.

the mafia have to have discussion takes time, unlikely to get it right everytime.

[Crumb]

but the mafia have to coordinate their votes so they have to send more pms, takes longer adn more likely to be found. the townie specials can just wait for deeper into nightfall. wait for people not to notice, since they just have to send one pm to the vm the gm.
Well with vm's email solution it is moot anyway. mafia can email each other, they can email vm. I'm staying visible. :shrug:

This is a fucking crap shoot. I don't want to get rid of bey. He's a cuddly prick.

unvote

[Smilin]

but the mafia have to coordinate their votes so they have to send more pms, takes longer adn more likely to be found. the townie specials can just wait for deeper into nightfall. wait for people not to notice, since they just have to send one pm to the vm the gm.

Unless they participate visible and then go invisible once it's time to cast their votes.

Didn't think of that now did yah?

I'm not falling into any self-defeating behavior this time and start making assumptions.

But that's just me.

I still obstain until further information has been gathered.

[viscousmemories]

Current Votes to Lynch

Adam 1
balluga 0
beyelzu 1
cappuccino 0
Clutch Munny 0
Crumb 6
Jacey 0
Joshua Adams 0
Julie 0
Legs 0
livius drusus 0
minus 0
NC Kev 7
slimshady2357 0
Smilin 0
Sock Puppet 0
Spenser 0
TomJoe 0
trillian 0
widget 0

[TomJoe]

I'm just wishy-washy because I have nothing to go on. You are making suggestions that support the mafia so I voted for you. :shrug: It is a day for grasping at straws.

Unless you're mafia. I'm keeping my vote on you.

[beyelzu]

bey is doing a lot of talking - so he is probably a townie (mafia would be laying low IMO)

From what I have seen, it is just his style of play. He would keep up the same pattern if he were mafia or town. It doesnt tell us one thing or another about him. Not that I suspect him or anything, just that activity isnt a good way to tell if someone is mafia or town.
thats true i would be this vocal if i were mafia. laying low wouldnt work for me, im far too vocal. and changes in behavior are bad if your mafia. i think for beginning players laying low is a mafia characteristic, but i have played enough games to not fall in the trap of changing my behavior. so i agree with you, me doing a lot of talking really says nothing.

[Smilin]

fair enough, i have made quite a few suggestions that helped the town. i posted some decent advice to the cop in case its a new player. i have a different opinion of the all visible action which i posted. i understand your reasoning for thinking posting visible hurts the town and i will consider it. but currently i disagree. it is just too quick and easy to open two browsers click on pms then click on a thead inthe other tab. and then post a one word one name request to vm if you are a good special.

the mafia have to have discussion takes time, unlikely to get it right everytime.


Did you learn nothing from my death young Padawan? Doesn't matter to an angry mob mentality if you are trying to be helpful or not.

[beyelzu]

the thing is, pms are easy. and i think it is possible that sooner or later the mafia will make a mistake, thats the point of visibility. if they have to be visible some of the time they might make a mistake, if they can just stay invis all the time, they probably wont.

just trying to up the odds a bit.

[beyelzu]

fair enough, i have made quite a few suggestions that helped the town. i posted some decent advice to the cop in case its a new player. i have a different opinion of the all visible action which i posted. i understand your reasoning for thinking posting visible hurts the town and i will consider it. but currently i disagree. it is just too quick and easy to open two browsers click on pms then click on a thead inthe other tab. and then post a one word one name request to vm if you are a good special.

the mafia have to have discussion takes time, unlikely to get it right everytime.


Did you learn nothing from my death young Padawan? Doesn't matter to an angry mob mentality if you are trying to be helpful or not.

evidentally i learned nothing when i led the lynch mob against you.


sorry about that, again.

[cappuccino]

Personally, I find bey an unlikely mafia candidate considering it would be stupid for him to draw unwanted attention to himself right now and I'm familiar with his style of play too. I don't blame NC Kev for trying to divert attention since he's got the most number of votes right now.

Honestly, I find Crumb an unlikely candidate as well right now, anybody could be a scum. The only way to apply Bayesian reasoning to the game is by killing off the players one by one and observing the resulting probabilities and survivors' behavior.

I sound rather cold, don't I? :D

[Crumb]

Unless you're mafia. I'm keeping my vote on you.
Why?

[Smilin]

no prob bey!

It's all in fun. I had a great time participating in the game then as I am now. It's all in fun my friend. :)

[beyelzu]

but the mafia have to coordinate their votes so they have to send more pms, takes longer adn more likely to be found. the townie specials can just wait for deeper into nightfall. wait for people not to notice, since they just have to send one pm to the vm the gm.
Well with vm's email solution it is moot anyway. mafia can email each other, they can email vm. I'm staying visible. :shrug:

This is a fucking crap shoot. I don't want to get rid of bey. He's a cuddly prick.

unvote
aww

:blush:

damn crumbles you are sitting with seven votes, hate to see you lynched on the first day.

[Spenser]

OK tit for tat.

vote:crumb

3rd on a bandwagon (for no real reason) is a scum tell Unvote; Vote: Widget

[TomJoe]

Unless you're mafia. I'm keeping my vote on you.
Why?

Perhaps you're being wishy-washy because you don't want people to establish your pattern of voting, so you jump on whatever bandwagon seems convenient at the time.

[beyelzu]

Personally, I find bey an unlikely mafia candidate considering it would be stupid for him to draw unwanted attention to himself right now and I'm familiar with his style of play too. I don't blame NC Kev for trying to divert attention since he's got the most number of votes right now.

Honestly, I find Crumb an unlikely candidate as well right now, anybody could be a scum. The only way to apply Bayesian reasoning to the game is by killing off the players one by one and observing the resulting probabilities and survivors' behavior.

I sound rather cold, don't I? :D
yep you do sound cold, cold hearted like a mafia.

just kidding.


im compiling a list of people i suspect less than others. this post gets you on it. it strikes me as being exactly the kind of post a townie, admittedly a coldhearted one, would make.

and it quite simply takes a good bit of deaths to get a really good feel for who is mafia.

[Smilin]

I agree Spens.

Vote widget

For that exact reason.

[beyelzu]

Unless you're mafia. I'm keeping my vote on you.
Why?

Perhaps you're being wishy-washy because you don't want people to establish your pattern of voting, so you jump on whatever bandwagon seems convenient at the time.
being wishy washy is a mafia tell. but changing from the person tied in votes with you to someone else is not a mafia tell thats just strange move. i believe that crumb didnt like my suggestion about visibility so he voted for me. it makes sense. if you assume that my suggestion was really bad for the town. i think crumb reconsidered it. he just stikes me as playing like a townie right now. course i could be wrong.


but later we will need to look at people who changed votes at key times to either save mafia or to kill townies.

[viscousmemories]

Despite my nickname (God) I am not in fact omniscient. Plus I'll be at work and probably incommunicado - including email - between 1 and 6pm CST. So the more eyes we have on the lynch tally the better.

[Joshua Adams]

Widget was revenge voting for Crumb, if that affects anyone's assessment.

Adam - NC Kev
balluga
beyelzu - NC Kev
cappuccino - Crumb
Clutch Munny - NC Kev
Crumb
Jacey
Joshua Adams - Crumb
Julie
Legs - Crumb
livius drusus
minus - NC Kev
NC Kev - beyelzu
slimshady2357 - Crumb
Smilin
Sock Puppet - NC Kev
Spenser
TomJoe - Crumb
trillian - NC Kev
Widget - Crumb

NC Kev: 6
Crumb: 6
beyelzu: 1

[Spenser]

Holy crap, I didn't realize there were already 9 pages here. Unvote until I catch up.

[livius drusus]

m compiling a list of people i suspect less than others. this post gets you on it. it strikes me as being exactly the kind of post a townie, admittedly a coldhearted one, would make.

That's how Adam fucked you last time. I'm just sayin'...

[Smilin]

Well shit, spens. I've overreacted a bit, so for now...

unvote

[beyelzu]

yep it was how adam got me last game liv. but what the hell live and dont learn.

i dont actually intend to bind myself to anyone unless they are declared innocent by the cop. i wont be that blinded again.

[Smilin]

That would be only after the cop outted himself, eh?

[Crumb]

Ah hey, not bad TomJoe. I guess I should pick a bandwagon and stick with it. I am changing my votes as a defensive measure. I am trying to start another bandwagon to compete with mine. I guess I'll just take the one that is closer to 11.

vote: NC Kev

[Clutch Munny]

Honestly, I find Crumb an unlikely candidate as well right now, anybody could be a scum. The only way to apply Bayesian reasoning to the game is by killing off the players one by one and observing the resulting probabilities and survivors' behavior.

Word.

[beyelzu]

That would be only after the cop outted himself, eh?

yep after a couple of days, hopefully he doesnt get randomly killed by the mob or lunatic before then. but yeah once the cops outs and says who is still innocent.

i made a big mistake trusting adam too much, if i had been more paranoid we could have won that game.

[cappuccino]

Holy crap, I didn't realize there were already 9 pages here. Unvote until I catch up.

Well shit, spens. I've overreacted a bit, so for now...

Unvote

Gee, sounds kind of wishy-washy to me...just what mafia would do.

[Widget]

OK tit for tat.

vote:crumb

3rd on a bandwagon (for no real reason) is a scum tell Unvote; Vote: Widget

Crumbles voted for me, I voted for him.. hence tit for tat.

[viscousmemories]

Current Votes to Lynch (correct me if I'm wrong!)

Adam 0
balluga 0
beyelzu 1 - NC Kev
cappuccino 0
Clutch Munny 0
Crumb 6 - cappuccino, Joshua Adams, Legs, slimshady2357, TomJoe, Widget
Jacey 0
Joshua Adams 0
Julie 0
Legs 0
livius drusus 0
minus 0
NC Kev 7 - Adam, beyelzu, Clutch Munny, Crumb, Minus, Sock Puppet, trillian
slimshady2357 0
Smilin 0
Sock Puppet 0
Spenser 0
TomJoe 0
trillian 0
widget 0

[Smilin]

Holy crap, I didn't realize there were already 9 pages here. Unvote until I catch up.

Well shit, spens. I've overreacted a bit, so for now...

Unvote

Gee, sounds kind of wishy-washy to me...just what mafia would do.

but I am a wishy-washy player (and quick to the draw) :popcorn: :yup:

[Spenser]

After reading 10 pages of this game there is on thing that is super obvious. It sticks out like a sore thumb and you don't have to be a veteran Mafia player to see it. In fact whether you realize it or not you all probably took note of this. Ready. There are way too many players to know shit right now. This isn't like Werewolf were every one gets a vote in and and some one dies by the highest count by 3pm. The scum tells that there are aren't for sure tells and too many people have done them to get an idea yet so for the interest of this game I think getting some people out of the way and seeing the mob's choice is the way to go.

Vote: NC Kev

[Legs]

unvote

vote: NC Kev

[Joshua Adams]

At the moment, I think NC Kev is a townie. He's the one who started the Crumb votes, and if he were mob he'd have no reason to jump ship to beyelzu, would he?

[Legs]

Someone has to go first. If NC Kev had a role he would be fighting harder to stay, but if he was mob he might not want to tip his hand and hope his mafia family would come in and save him by voting someone else.

[cappuccino]

Why the hell not?

Unvote

Vote: NC Kev

[beyelzu]

that is a good point joshua adams. similarly crumb jumped to me as well. maybe i really aroused their suspicions.

:shrug:

the day one vote is almost always an innocent its to be expected really. not enough to go on.

[Spenser]

Trying to keep track of this many people and what they do in mafia is a lot harder than in WW. I don't think we'll be able to see much of anything until a couple days go by so to it looks so far that any player has the same odds of being mob and tells are hard to read this early. NC Kev is as good as any at the moment. Sorry Kev.

[beyelzu]

is that ten for nc kev now?

[Spenser]

I suggest to the vigilante that if you have no suspicions (which at this point you probably don't), its best to off quiet or low posting players (this gets rid of the none contributors and forces others to post more in fear) and / or people playing erratic (even if innocent, they are harmful to the town).

[Crumb]

That's also a good reason to lynch quiet players, Spense.

[Jacey]

NC Kev

[balluga]

vote nc kev A new day brings more information and keeps this game from becoming about random votes.

[TomJoe]

Oh what the heck. We all know it's going to be NC Kev at this point, and we're hanging at 10 votes.

I buy Crumb's defense that he raised up against my concerns (for now).

unvote

vote NC Kev

If I'm correct, that should bring nightfall.

ETA: Total overkill.

[Legs]

Nightfall :wish:

No more posts

[viscousmemories]

As the sunlight drains from the sky, blood fever slowly builds in the residents of Jersey City. Shortly before dusk every cellphone rings almost simultaneously, and the citizens rally at town hall. The consensus is clear and unequivocal: NC Kev must die. "The Giving Tree" falls to the floor as the roaring mob drags him kicking and screaming from his child's bedside, and within minutes his lifeless body hangs from the large oak tree in his front yard.

NC Kev, the innocent townie, is dead.

It is now Night, so posting on this thread is disabled until daybreak.

Visit the peanut gallery (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207) to discuss the game, but please do not play the game there.

If you have a special role, follow these instructions.

Mafia: Talk privately amongst yourselves, then send me the name of a player you want to recruit or kill.
Doctor: Send me the name of a player you'd like to protect.
Vigilante: Send me the name of a mafia suspect you want to kill.
Cop: Send me the name of a player you want to investigate.

Everyone else, see you in the "morning"!

[viscousmemories]

Little NC Kev Jr. cried quietly as the police cut his father's dangling, lifeless body from the tree in front of their house, a small gathering of citizens watching in silence. However, no sooner had they pulled up the zipper on the bodybag when a terrible scream rang through the streets. The townsfolk fled immediately to the source of the screaming, revealing old Mrs. Hensley in the alley behind SaveCo, and her gruesome discovery.

The dead body of Widget, the town doctor. A bloody claw hammer lying beside him.

Desperate glances shot all around. Were there two lynchings last night? The moment was shattered by the squawk of Officer Browning's radio.

Jacey, an innocent townie, was found shot to death behind the Marry-Go-Round marital aids shop.

Another day in Jersey City begins...

[Legs]

:shock:

[Crumb]

Shit. Who killed the doc? :doctor:

[Legs]

My Mother always wanted me to marry a Dr.

[livius drusus]

And you finally do only to become a widow the next day. Poor Dr. and Mrs. Widget. :cheerhug:

[Crumb]

Did you see anything Legs?

[Legs]

I shall wear black for weeks on end. Okay, so who killed my husband? :glare:

Maybe Crumb? :glare:

[Legs]

Did you see anything Legs?

I didn't even know he was the Doc or a townie or what. That tightlipped fella.

[Sock Puppet]

Damned vigilantes! Always with the claw-hammer first, ask questions later! :shakefist:

Now I've finally got my Internets back, and I have to leave for the other side of the Bay. So I'll get in my unsolicited advice while it's still daylight.

Folks, even we townies need Invisible mode. Mafia (and special roles, not that it matters to our dead freakin' doctor, goddammit) can use a creative combination of Invisible / visible modes to appear as townies if we try that "stay visible if you're a townie" idea. As a matter of fact, if they fire their PMs off quickly enough at Nightfall, they can make it look as though they're been visible the whole time they're playing.

[Joshua Adams]

If that's how you feel, then don't put much/any stock in people's invisible status. :shrug: Doesn't matter if we're all visible or all invisible or some of each; it's obviously not a reliable indicator by by your own reasoning.

Oh yeah and I was assuming that the mafia were the ones with the hammer. More gruesome, after all.

[Sock Puppet]

This sounds like more of a classic mafia. They'd go for the standard execution-style killing, whereas I see the vigilante as more likely to pick a gruesome, nonstandard weapon.

Re: modes, now that I've given some thought to it, I will be more suspicious of visible players. It may be too WIFOMish, but that's where my current reasoning leads.

[Crumb]

balluga 3
Julie 3
trillian 2

These are the least often posters to this thread that are still alive. This is my reason for vote:trillian.

[Clutch Munny]

If vm's doing it the way Spenser did (as I read the first thread) the narratives aren't supposed to contain clues. So the hammer shouldn't mean anything.

It is possible that some info leaks through anyhow, I guess.

[Clutch Munny]

Can you say a little more, Crumb? I don't quite see it.

[Legs]

The mob sure got lucky hitting the Doc on the first night. That really sucks for the town.

Sock giving advice is suspcious, he could be trying to confuse us with kindness :noid:

Vote: Sock Puppet

[trillian]

I'm back and just finished reading all that went on today- you guys post a lot over here!

The cop dead without a single view or posts that might say something is a bad start. However, I have played in one where 2 cops died the first 2 nights and the town still pulled off the win!

Sorry about the lack of posting Mr. Crumb. I'm usually around more but today I needed some body parts rearranged. By the time I came back and online it was already nightfall.

[viscousmemories]

Just to head off any possible confusion, Crumb's tally above refers to those player's postcount in this thread, not to lynch votes.

Current votes to lynch:

Adam 0
balluga 0
beyelzu 0
cappuccino 0
Clutch Munny 0
Crumb 0
Joshua Adams 0
Julie 0
Legs 0
livius drusus 0
minus 0
slimshady2357 0
Smilin 0
Sock Puppet 1 - Legs
Spenser 0
TomJoe 0
trillian 1 - Crumb

[Legs]

n/m

[livius drusus]

Can you say a little more, Crumb? I don't quite see it.

Me either. Do you think she's lying about having been in surgery today, Crumbles?

[Crumb]

Can you say a little more, Crumb? I don't quite see it.
I am trying to discourage players that don't post. Too easy for mafia to hide that way. But now that I see that trillian is here and at least voted on day one. I will change to julie because she didn't even vote on day 1.

unvote; vote: Julie

[Crumb]

Oh I forgot about the surgery too. I guess that's a good excuse. I still don't like the infrequent posters though.

[curses]

Can you say a little more, Crumb? I don't quite see it.Same here. Wasn't trillian in surgery today? I don't think that it's a case of lying low for these three, I'm more inclined to think they were busy.

Edit: bah..lag time...n/m

[Crumb]

My argument is not that keeping quiet means they are mafia. I know that is not accurate. My argument is that them keeping quiet and not voting means in 4 days we will have nothing to look back on to try and judge whether or not they look suspicious. making them defend themselves and not allowing them to lay low produces evidence for the town to determine their loyalty.

[curses]

Ahh, that makes more sense. Is it worth risking a few more townies, especially now that the doctor is gone?

[Crumb]

You have a clue as to who the mafia are? Lay it on me.

[curses]

I wish I did, perhaps I'm just being a bit conservative. OK, I AM just being a bit overcautious.

[Joshua Adams]

Re: modes, now that I've given some thought to it, I will be more suspicious of visible players. It may be too WIFOMish, but that's where my current reasoning leads.This is nonsensical. By checking the "Number of active users today" box it appears that 16 of the 20 players are visible.

[Clutch Munny]

I'm invisible. Have been for probably a year or more.

[Joshua Adams]

The others are Sock (of course), Jacey, and trillian, for anyone too lazy to check, or who didn't care.

[livius drusus]

And Jacey's dead.

You bastards!
:kenny:

[Joshua Adams]

I can't believe that post went through. My monitor suddenly flashed a bunch of random colored pixels and then my comp froze up completely.

[Clutch Munny]

And Jacey's dead.

While Sock still lives! Anybody else seeing the pattern here? Huh?



Anyone?

[livius drusus]

You are! No seriously.

[Crumb]

No one agrees with my reasoning?

I guess you guys weren't in there with me last game. I had to figure out who was mafia between adam, bey, wei yau, and leesifer. Four people who contributed very little in the first few days, giving me nothing to go on. This is a proactive stance to avoid that for the townies in the future.

[Clutch Munny]

Sorry, Crumb. I do see your point, and I agree in general.

[Julie]

balluga 3
Julie 3
trillian 2

These are the least often posters to this thread that are still alive. This is my reason for vote:trillian.

Bah thats just cause the thread was locked before I could post in it this morning. Ahhh the woes of being a stay at home mom on summer vacation.

Crumb after all Ive done to discourage people to vote for you Im suprised that you would jump on me for no apparent reason. Just because I wasnt here the instant the thread opened up again to start posting dosnt make me a bad guy. It makes me a person with a life.

I find it strange that you would base your vote on such a tenious suspision.

Anyways if I was Mafia it would be to my benifit to encourage the town to lynch someone I *knew* was innocent. My not voteing if anything points me towards being a townie not a mafia.

[Joshua Adams]

No one agrees with my reasoning?

I guess you guys weren't in there with me last game. I had to figure out who was mafia between adam, bey, wei yau, and leesifer. Four people who contributed very little in the first few days, giving me nothing to go on. This is a proactive stance to avoid that for the townies in the future.It's reasonable enough to want to draw out inactive people but what do you expect them to say in their own defense?

[Joshua Adams]

Bah thats just cause the thread was locked before I could post in it this morning. Ahhh the woes of being a stay at home mom on summer vacation.

Crumb after all Ive done to discourage people to vote for you Im suprised that you would jump on me for no apparent reason. Just because I wasnt here the instant the thread opened up again to start posting dosnt make me a bad guy. It makes me a person with a life.

I find it strange that you would base your vote on such a tenious suspision.

Anyways if I was Mafia it would be to my benifit to encourage the town to lynch someone I *knew* was innocent. My not voteing if anything points me towards being a townie not a mafia.You've completely misinterpreted him, perhaps you missed his post after that one?

My argument is not that keeping quiet means they are mafia. I know that is not accurate. My argument is that them keeping quiet and not voting means in 4 days we will have nothing to look back on to try and judge whether or not they look suspicious. making them defend themselves and not allowing them to lay low produces evidence for the town to determine their loyalty.

[Julie]

LOL maybe Im suposed to jump up and down and go
/me I'm here I'm here look at me!

/me sobs at the loss of widget. Poor Poor Horse girl being left without a Dad.

[Crumb]

Whatever they say and do is good. It's activity from them that I want.

I am not saying you are a mafia Julie, though you very well could be. I am just saying that a player that does little, for whatever reason, is bad for the townies.

[livius drusus]

No one agrees with my reasoning?

I guess you guys weren't in there with me last game. I had to figure out who was mafia between adam, bey, wei yau, and leesifer. Four people who contributed very little in the first few days, giving me nothing to go on. This is a proactive stance to avoid that for the townies in the future.

Actually, iirc, the two mafia out of the four talked the most. :shrug: Your reasoning seems sound enough to me, Crumb; I'm just not ready to throw out an accusation at this point based on what amounts to a thin-the-herd premise.

I was glad to go along with something like that last game, but as a townie in a city with two murders a night, I prefer not to lynch wild.

[Julie]

I was active in the last game and I will be in this one. I just won't and can;t guarantee I'll be here the instant the thread opens, or in the middle of a lynching.

heck if dinner wasn't cold left over chicken from lastnight I'd still be off cooking dinner. The only reason I could pop on at this time at al was cause of that (That and hubby is in a wersteling match with the kids ATM)