MAFIA - Game II (Peanut Gallery)

[viscousmemories]

Here's the peanut gallery for Mafia - Game II (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9206).

Any :ff: member is free to discuss the ongoing game here.

[livius drusus]

Kickass narration, GM vm. Allow me to be the first to say how you doin'? to all the players before the role dole makes it suspicious.

[Spenser]

Just in time for me to have to leave!!! Well, I got like 20 minutes or so.

[viscousmemories]

Before anyone asks, the role selection was random. I followed a suggestion from mafiascum.net using an Excel spreadsheet and the =rand() function.

[wei yau]

I suggest using sandwiches to lure the mob out. Sandwiches always gets 'em.

Great start, vm. Inspired. Looking forward to a great game.

[curses]

Yeah, what kind of sammiches? I have a recipe for homemade meatball subs around here somewhere....

[viscousmemories]

Thanks, wei!

[cappuccino]

Are we allowed to hang around the peanut gallery or should we bow out for the duration of the game?

[Legs]

Any :ff: member is free to discuss the ongoing game here.

but after nightfall we can only talk about what has happened, we can't discuss future plans here?

[wei yau]

From the Game Thread:

Minus' avatar looks so guilty

Last game, I kept wishing Adam would change his avatar. It looked soooo suspicious.

[Leesifer]

/me looks forward to reading the Mafia II thread

[livius drusus]

Yeah, what kind of sammiches? I have a recipe for homemade meatball subs around here somewhere....

Racist. :zidane:

[curses]

You are!


(I love the Zidane smiley!)

[wei yau]

Heh, cappucino literally fingered Joshua Adams

[viscousmemories]

Just don't play the game in this thread, day or night. For example a game player speculating about who might be mafia is playing the game. All game play should be kept in the main game thread, and you can only post on that thread during the game "daytime".

[TomJoe]

Yeah, what kind of sammiches? I have a recipe for homemade meatball subs around here somewhere....

I made a totally kickass pizzaiola tonight. :yum:

[cappuccino]

:zidane:

Holy fuck, you have a Zidane smiley? That's so friggin' cool.

[curses]

Yeah, what kind of sammiches? I have a recipe for homemade meatball subs around here somewhere....

I made a totally kickass pizzaiola tonight. :yum:Mmmmm... what kind of toppings?

[livius drusus]

Holy fuck, you have a Zidane smiley? That's so friggin' cool.

We have two, actually. The other has a whole game-within-a-game thing going on that is just dee-licious:

:gamebutt:

[cappuccino]

Very nice, it's startling to realize that it's only been two weeks and half since that infamous headbutt. It feels like it's been a whole lot longer since then.

Ok, back to the game subject.

[Adam]

That smiley absolutely rocks. I love the anger/energy meter over his head.

[wei yau]

Yeah, what kind of sammiches? I have a recipe for homemade meatball subs around here somewhere....

Racist. :zidane:

Go take it up with Joe Colombo and the Italian-American Civil Rights League.

[livius drusus]

You know, Lees called you a fat chink again in chat last night. I tried to get her to stop, but she just wouldn't.

[TomJoe]

Yeah, what kind of sammiches? I have a recipe for homemade meatball subs around here somewhere....

I made a totally kickass pizzaiola tonight. :yum:Mmmmm... what kind of toppings?

It was steak pizzaiola.

Take a chuck steak, cut thinly (about 1 pound). Take a pan, coat with a couple tablespoons of olive oil. Add a couple large cloves of garlic, sliced thinly. Cook on low heat until golden brown. Add the steak and brown. Add some diced onion (used half a large onion), basil and oregano for flavor. When steak is almost cooked all the way through (will only take about 10 minutes), add a can (15 ounces) of diced tomatos. Cook for an additional 10 minutes or so.

I also steamed some fresh green beans, used that as a bed and served the pizzaiola on top of it.

[wei yau]

Not surprised, those Brits are notorious racists. Limeys still lamenting their lost empire.

[wei yau]

Alright, I'm leaving for the night. Somebody wake me when they start banging cocktail waitresses two at a time.

[Joshua Adams]

Uh... is wei even playing this one...

[Adam]

He's obviously trying to confuse us. I say we lynch him for good measure.

[Legs]

....

[Crumb]

For example a game player speculating about who might be mafia is playing the game.
I assume so would defending yourself or another.

Oh and if you want to expose the mafia with food, may I suggest you try the :cannoli:?

[wei yau]

Sorry, wrong thread.

[Legs]

Before anyone asks, the role selection was random. I followed a suggestion from mafiascum.net using an Excel spreadsheet and the =rand() function.

Sorry I didn't see this post :blush2:

[viscousmemories]

No worries. :)

In case this thread is confusing anyone I merged a few posts that were made on the game thread, starting with one by the (obviously confused) non-player wei yau. :glare:

It may happen again in future, so don't expect constant continuity in this thread.

[Joshua Adams]

Should the recruit really take place instead of the kill? The villagers will know someone has been recruited since nobody got iced. I'm pretty sure other games don't normally/ever give them that advantage.

[viscousmemories]

For whom do you think it's an advantage and how so? I couldn't actually find any documentation of this variant anywhere...

[Joshua Adams]

For whom do you think it's an advantage and how so? I couldn't actually find any documentation of this variant anywhere...I think it's an advantage for the town, because then they know that someone has turned mafia. In other words, their suspicions will be alerted and they'll be looking hard for signs of a change in behavior.

It also doesn't make much sense for the mafia to reveal themselves that way. Perhaps if there were only one mobster alive then s/he couldn't do both actions at once.

[viscousmemories]

I'm still not seeing a real advantage there. Everybody's going to be looking as hard as they can for changes in everyone else's behavior as it is, trying to figure out who's who. Plus how do you mean the mafia would reveal themselves? Obviously the recruitment will go on privately...

Maybe I'm just too tired. I have to crash but I'll modify the procedure tomorrow if people think it's necessary.

[Joshua Adams]

Plus how do you mean the mafia would reveal themselves? Obviously the recruitment will go on privately...I meant, reveal their action of recruiting someone. There's 3 of them, so you can imagine that one would recruit and 2 would kill (just like in the case where an evil character can get blocked, a kill still takes place).

It's not that big of a deal.

Edit: I forgot to consider the Doctor. In the one-in-a-gazillion chance that he succeeds in protecting a target, there's no mob kill, so there's still an element of uncertainty...

[slimshady2357]

I think the town could USE that advantage. It seems to me that the mafia being able to recruit someone each night is a HUGE advantage. As they recruit they will have more and more numbers, be more and more in control of the lynching votes.

The town is going to need every little advantage possible.

[Joshua Adams]

The mafia can only recruit one time.

It would actually be literally impossible for the town to win if the mafia could recruit every night, if you think about it. (ed: well, I suppose if the Vigilante picked off a mobster AND the lynch was correct everytime, the town would win, but other than that.)

[slimshady2357]

The mafia can only recruit one time.

It would actually be literally impossible for the town to win if the mafia could recruit every night, if you think about it. (ed: well, I suppose if the Vigilante picked off a mobster AND the lynch was correct everytime, the town would win, but other than that.)

Whew! :phew:

I thought the way I read it was more than a little unfair to us townies! :D

Still, I agree with vm, I don't think it's an advantage to the town that is significant enough to worry about. It's quite an advantage for the mafia to get that chance to recruit in the first place!

[Legs]

So when the mafia recruits, they make you an offer you can't refuse?

[cappuccino]

Must be one damn good offer. Maybe along the line of offering the chance to play with the big bad guns and a life's supply of :cannoli:.

[Legs]

Seems our mafia (http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2006/07/26/news-omhorsehead-07-26.html) has been active :horse:

[livius drusus]

That is seriously fucked up. Surely these kinds of gestures should be reserved for national politics and Hollywood deals.

[cappuccino]

I really should get around to watching "The Godfather" all the way from the beginning to the end.

[wei yau]

capp, you should get whacked just for admitting to having not watched "The Godfather" in its entirety.

[wei yau]

This is why I chose to bow out this game, I can barely stay away from the Peanut Gallery thread, let alone the actual game thread.

That being said, kill someone already. 11 votes might take forever. Kill. Kill. Kill.

:hanging:

[beyelzu]

you know youre loving/hating it

get to watch the drama cant kill the innocent townies

:tmgrin:

[wei yau]

I have to admit, the bloodlust in me is rising. I feel the urge to kill someone. Maybe I can set up a different Mafia game thread. 9 Mafia, 1 townie. No cop. No doctor.

It might not last long, but I'll satisfy my urge to kill.

[TomJoe]

Seems our mafia (http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2006/07/26/news-omhorsehead-07-26.html) has been active :horse:

Slate Hill isn't far from where my parents live. Maybe 15-20 miles.

[wei yau]

Boy, I hope they don't lynch Crumb today. I loved watching his mind work in the last game. So twisty and turny.

[Crumb]

:shakefist:

[Sock Puppet]

Cf: previous page I agree that the mafia has to trade the kill for the recruitment. It provides townies with crucial info, considering they have nearly squat to start with, but it also ratches the tension tighter, which makes it more challenging for everyone. It's all about the tension.

[Joshua Adams]

I'm also more okay with it since I realized the thing with the doc.

[wei yau]

From the Game Thread

That's how Adam fucked you last time. I'm just sayin'...

I can just pick up a slight tinge of pride in liv's remark here.

[beyelzu]

well, yeah, i admit i had victory in my grasp and completely dropped the ball.

:shrug:

but this game im getting those mobs sumbitches.

[wei yau]

/me sniffs

Is that imminent death I smell in the air? Or is that just Jersey?

[livius drusus]

It's both.

[Crumb]

Is there a difference?

[TomJoe]

Is there a difference?

Not really.

[wei yau]

Poor Kev, dead in Jersey. Victim of redundancy.

[livius drusus]

Damn shame you bit it the first day, Kev. :manhug: You were acting shady, though, and I kinda think you may turn out to have actually been mafia.

[Smilin]

Somebody had to get lynched.

(It's good to lynch the gay players first though...idn't it?)

That means Crumb is next! :wink:

[beyelzu]

sorry kev, you just seemed guilty to me my brother. i admit its mostly phrasing and just a feeling i have. i sometimes have problems articulating my feelings.

[curses]

S

(It's good to lynch the gay players first though...idn't it?)

:biker2: Define gay, thilly.

[livius drusus]

i sometimes have problems articulating my feelings.
The ones that don't involve expletives and spitting, you mean.

[wei yau]

i sometimes have problems articulating my feelings.

Uh huh...hmmm...yes...please continue
:therapy:

[Julie]

Well shit you guys move fast! This poor pacific girl slept in then made the kids a real breakfast....by the time I got on FF there were pages and pages to read to catch up.

plus FF is loading super slow for me today :(

For what its worth Nc Kev would have had my vote as well. He was tweaking my spidey sences.....

[beyelzu]

i sometimes have problems articulating my feelings.
The ones that don't involve expletives and spitting, you mean.
well yeah,

but recently i have discovered that with the right target audience i can express soft warm emotions as well, with a look, a light touch and vocally.


with the right audience of course.

:tmcool:

[wei yau]

Aww, geeze, vm. From his child's bedside? Great narrative, but so damned tragic.

:cry:

[beyelzu]

no doubt, we just lynched an innocent man in front of his little boy.

fuck.

[Crumb]

We're bastards.

[livius drusus]

Oh. My. God. I can't stand the guilt and I didn't even vote for him! We're sorry, Kev!!! We're sorry Kev's orphaned child destined for a life of patholgical insomnia!!! :cryhome:

[Julie]

Oh the giving tree is a great book! My 7 year old loves it, not as much as "A light in the attic" and "where the sidewalk ends" is his favorite so far.

Sorry NC Kev always sucks to loose a fellow townie.

[Smilin]

:yup:

[Julie]

ok is anyone else having problems with FF being very slow to load pages or is it just me?

[Spenser]

I'm no longer convinced of NC Kev's guilt.

[Joshua Adams]

Told you he was a townie. :sadcheer:

[TomJoe]

I'm no longer convinced of NC Kev's guilt.

LOL.

vm, that's some pretty good descriptive gm'ing you're doing. Keep up the good work. :nod:

[wei yau]

Spenser, it takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.

[beyelzu]

julie its being kind of slow for me as well.

[balluga]

There is some good in this, we didnt hit a good special. Those last few votes came very quickly so he wouldnt have had a chance to out himself if he was. What happen was expected, and we should know more tomorrow.

[Smilin]

ok is anyone else having problems with FF being very slow to load pages or is it just me?

I'm on a corporate T2 connection and it sure is dragging here Julie.

[Kevlar]

Damn, I guy can't get some lunch without getting lynched!

[curses]

It's slow here, too.

Poor Kev...he was sooo young. :mourn:

[wei yau]

It's been slow for me starting yesterday, but seems particularly bad today. I just thought it was me because of all the "Show New Posts" searching I keep doing.

[Kevlar]

I'm no longer convinced of NC Kev's guilt.

I told you!

[Kevlar]

Well shit you guys move fast! This poor pacific girl slept in then made the kids a real breakfast....by the time I got on FF there were pages and pages to read to catch up.

plus FF is loading super slow for me today :(

For what its worth Nc Kev would have had my vote as well. He was tweaking my spidey sences.....

Your's and beleyzu's spider senses suck, just so you know.

[Smilin]

Hate it that it had to happen kev.

So, how does it feel to be the sacrificial lamb?

[viscousmemories]

As per the announcement at the top of each forum, our server host is in the process of migrating everyone to new servers. So the slowness today is very likely the result of that copy process. Sorry everyone!

[Kevlar]

Hate it that it had to happen kev.

So, how does it feel to be the sacrificial lamb?

Oh, it's ok. I stuck my neck out knowing I would probably get lynched anyway, I have too much work to do in the real world. And I'll still have fun following the drama at my own pace.

[Smilin]

vm, when do you have to go to work?

Just curious.

/me trying to anticipate when "morning will occur"

any ideas yet?

/me is currently toying with the idea of taking a job in Alaska.

Thoughts everyone?

[wei yau]

As per the announcement at the top of each forum, our server host is in the process of migrating everyone to new servers. So the slowness today is very likely the result of that copy process. Sorry everyone!

Heh, my primary method of post reading is through the "Show New Posts" feature, so I rarely ever set foot into an actual forum.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[cappuccino]

I hope morning happens soon. I wanna see who survived the night!

[Kevlar]

I used to live in Alaska Smilin. What part is the job in?

[viscousmemories]

I'm going to work right now and won't be able to check my email and PMs to find out the special players' choices until I get home in 4-5 hours, so daybreak won't be happening for at least that long. Go outside and get some fresh air or something! :D

[beyelzu]

damn, arghh and what not.

have fun at work and see you in a few hours vm.

[curses]

Fresh air? What's that? Oooh, you mean that stuff outside my office window.

[cappuccino]

phooey. I don't like fresh air.

[wei yau]

There is no fresh air, you all are in Jersey City.

[Kevlar]

/me has got enough air, up there swinging in the tree.

[Julie]

As per the announcement at the top of each forum, our server host is in the process of migrating everyone to new servers. So the slowness today is very likely the result of that copy process. Sorry everyone!

Heh, my primary method of post reading is through the "Show New Posts" feature, so I rarely ever set foot into an actual forum.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Me to I never actually go into a forum. Im a new post kinda girl.

Thanks for the heads up VM have fun at work ;)

Wei...can I get my gin as a double gin and tonic witha twist of lime please?
9Yummm panty remover...tis my favorite drink!)

[Clutch Munny]

Dang.

Sorry, Kev. Even though the odds obviously are that you nail another townie with the first lynching, I still feel bad for voting you off the..., um, earth, I guess.

[Kevlar]

Dang.

Sorry, Kev. Even though the odds obviously are that you nail another townie with the first lynching, I still feel bad for voting you off the..., um, earth, I guess.

:giggles:


Don't worry about me, think about my son.
Won't someone please think of the children!

[wei yau]

Are you now leveling the FoS at your own son?

Man, that's low. You might as well have been Mafia.

[Legs]

Sorry Kev

kev :rarrow: :cheered: :larrow: Legsy

[Crumb]

You got to admit kev, your sig was asking for it.

[wei yau]

What about your uneven avatar, Crumb?

[Kevlar]

Are you now leveling the FoS at your own son?

Man, that's low. You might as well have been Mafia.

Well, his mother died trying to feed hungry African refugees, and the rest of our family are in the Amazon trying to save the rain forests. So, he really has nothing to live for, since I was the only person he had in the entire world. Go ahead, you might as well put him out of his misery.

:bigtears:

[Kevlar]

You got to admit kev, your sig was asking for it.

hmmm.... didn't think of that. Maybe I should go back to the alien.

[wei yau]

Aw, cripes. Here I go again.
:cry:

[Kevlar]

Sorry Kev

kev :rarrow: :cheered: :larrow: Legsy

Thanks Legs! There's always next time.

[Smilin]

I used to live in Alaska Smilin. What part is the job in?


Office is in Anchorage. But the job description states that the successful candidate must be willing to travel to remote locations across Alaska for fieldwork.

Sounds pretty cool to me.

Layoffs are being forecasted here and I'm not gonna get caught with my pants down this time.

[Smilin]

and love the new avatar by the way Crumb.

[Kevlar]

Smilin, is this with Alyeska?

[Crumb]

:thankee: Smilin.

[Spenser]

Man, the Mafia game at II is in its final hour. Nerve racking!

[Smilin]

Nope. It's with Jacobs Engineering. The company I'm working for now.

I've always wanted to see Alaska. My Father had dreams of driving up there when I was growing up.

Sadly, that's all those were, just dreams.

Are you familiar with the area, kev?

[Kevlar]

Hell yeah, I'm familiar with the area.

Love it, love it, love it. I only came back because of my then wife, now if I could only talk my current wife into going up there.

Do you like cold weather?

[Sock Puppet]

Hell and bloody damn shit! Nightfall already. Stupid goddamned meeting. They went over EAR classifications for the 5000th freaking time. Yeah, I reeeeally needed to be there. :rolleye1:

I hope I survive the night, 'cause I've got strategy pontificating to do. Can we air our uninformed opinions here in Peanut Gallery if we're killed, even if they amount to strategizing?

[Smilin]

/me LOVES cold weather especially snow.... :snow: :snowmanglomp: :snowboard

How cold does it get there Kev?

[Crumb]

Yeah, there are still two more people who won't make it into Day 2. :afraid:

[viscousmemories]

I'm just quickly popping in from work to make sure the DT's haven't gotten to anyone.

I'm going invisible for the remainder of the game so people don't wonder why I'm not more active when I'm able to make these sporadic appearances (and because I know I'm being watched. :narrow: )

[Sock Puppet]

Oh, and dammit vm, you're supposed to devise your schedule so it's convenient for me. I won't have much time to play tomorrow, so I may have to phone in a couple votes, so to speak. I'll probably have about an hour after daybreak to blather my overconfident opinions in the game thread, then I'll check in briefly later tonight.

[curses]

Yeah, there are still two more people who won't make it into Day 2. :afraid:
The suspense is erm, killing me. :couch:

[viscousmemories]

Sorry Sock Puppet! If you had told me your schedule beforehand I would've called in sick.

[Smilin]

vm, what did you mean by "I know that I'm being watched"????

[viscousmemories]

I mean I'm sure people are monitoring my PM activity using the "Who's Online" list.

Not that anyone would do that, right Smilin? RIGHT?! :glare:

:giggle:

[Sock Puppet]

Sorry Sock Puppet! If you had told me your schedule beforehand I would've called in sick.
Yeah, sorry about that, but then again, you're supposed to be able to read my mind, too. Well, not all of it, just the bits that it would be convenient to me for you to know. Get on that, wouldja?

[wei yau]

That's weird, when did Sock become a woman?

:duck:

[Smilin]

He's always been quite feminine...

You should see him when his hormones are raging and he's PMSing... :pms:

[Smilin]

I mean I'm sure people are monitoring my PM activity using the "Who's Online" list.

Not that anyone would do that, right Smilin? RIGHT?! :glare:

:giggle:

ahhh...okies. I thought that perhaps you were referring to your employer or the gubiment or somethin....

[Sock Puppet]

That's weird, when did Sock become a woman?It's a role-playing game.

You should see him when his hormones are raging and he's PMSing...Oh, you want to see that again, do you? You barely survived the last bout with -- you know, that stuff -- intact.

[beyelzu]

Man, the Mafia game at II is in its final hour. Nerve racking!
been watching it. wish i was still alive so i could vote. actually, i take that back, too nerve wracking. gl

[Smilin]

It's a role-playing game.

Ahhhh, so by day you're a hormonal, lesbian, lamb-chop wannabe puppet and by night you're a mild-mannered family man, eh?

[Sock Puppet]

I figured that had been established long ago.

[Spenser]

Man, the Mafia game at II is in its final hour. Nerve racking!
been watching it. wish i was still alive so i could vote. actually, i take that back, too nerve wracking. gl

The suspense is killing me.

[Adam]

Man, you bitches don't fool around. I have a string of meetings and I come back to find I have 5 pages of game to sort through and you've gone and lynched somsone.

[Kevlar]

Tell me about it, I went to lunch, and when I came back I was dead.

[Legs]

lambchop wannabe :giggles:

[Sock Puppet]

Laugh it up, fancy-gams. Not everybody can make yarn look so good.

[curses]

lambchop wannabe :giggles:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Shari%26friends.jpg
Did I miss something?

Edit--never mind, I didn't read far enough up the page.

[Smilin]

Well, I'm leaving in an hour and since game play is currently suspended, I won't be back online until tomorrow morning 8 am CST.

Have a great night everyone!

[Spenser]

VICTORY

At IIDB http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/19.gif

[wei yau]

The suspense is killing me.

:muahaha:

It's either because my first game ever had me as Mob. Or because I just love evil so much. But, I think in my heart I'll always be Mafia, even if role playing as a townie.

Gentlemen, to evil.
:martini:


oooh, you really are evil. That's a non-native smiley!

[Spenser]

oooh, you really are evil. That's a non-native smiley!

I know, but it says it all and I didn't know how long it would take me to find one in this place's library that expressed what I felt so accurately.

[Smilin]

/me waits for liv to appear with her glare... heheheheh

[livius drusus]

We have a handy-dandy smiley search feature for just such eventualities. :glare:

[wei yau]

It hurts so good, don't it, Spenser. So damn good.

[Spenser]

:caramba: Maybe this one?

[livius drusus]

Attaspense. :gromp:

[wei yau]

That's a good one. My favorite dancing smiley of that theme-set is

:angrynana:

He's just soooo angry, it's adorable.

[wei yau]

Alright, not enough killing for me today, so here goes....

Vote: rush hour traffic

[Legs]

I wish vm would quit his job and work here full time :waiting:

[Julie]

vote:Sore throat that won't go away

[curses]

Alright, not enough killing for me today, so here goes....

Vote: rush hour traffic
I'll join that bandwagon.
vote:Hwy 400 N at 5 PM

[TomJoe]

That's a good one. My favorite dancing smiley of that theme-set is

:angrynana:

He's just soooo angry, it's adorable.

He's aight, but I'm partial to ...

:angro:

[wei yau]

unvote; Vote: People who leave shopping carts in the parking lot

[Smilin]

Vote: stupid fuckers that whip out in front of yah in 50mph traffic and then slow to a crawl....

Stoopid farkers! I need a new truck so come on out their in front of me...biatch...

[Smilin]

I'm out for good until the morning.

G'night fine peeps!

[Widget]

Alright, not enough killing for me today, so here goes....

Vote: rush hour traffic
I'll join that bandwagon.
vote:Hwy 400 N at 5 PM


There is a 400N, a 410N here too, both are a nightmare.

[curses]

400 N in Atlanta is a special kind of nightmare. I timed it today. It took me 35 minutes to go 3 exits. Now, we're not talking about exits that are miles and miles apart. The furthest distance between exits is probably about 2 miles. Sooo...it's about a 5 mile journey from onramp to offramp.

[Widget]

May I suggest a bicycle.

[curses]

I've thought about that.

[livius drusus]

:onhold:

[Joshua Adams]

No wonder vm is prolonging nighttime so much. He's helping them plan their next move! We've been so blind!

Vote: vm the Godfather of the Mafia

[livius drusus]

ShhH! Don't talk smack about him or he'll destroy us all!

[Joshua Adams]

He's already on a thread-closing rampage! Just look at his wake left across what once was the Atrium.

[viscousmemories]

One fewer is closed now. :D

[Joshua Adams]

Standard scum distractions.

[Clutch Munny]

Damn, we lost the doctor? (Oh, yeah -- sorry for your loss, Legs. And Widget.)

How much does that change things, this early? It can't be as bad as losing the cop.

[Joshua Adams]

Damn, we lost the doctor? (Oh, yeah -- sorry for your loss, Legs. And Widget.)

How much does that change things, this early? It can't be as bad as losing the cop.Since the doctor usually doesn't know the role of who he's protecting, or who the mob is targeting, it's highly unlikely he is ever useful except for one thing. If the cop outs himself, generally the doc should protect him to get one more investigation because obviously the cop is going to die next. After the cop's dead the doctor is probably no more useful than anyone else (and stands a chance of being detrimental, if he accidentally protects the mafia from the vigilante).

[Clutch Munny]

Thanks. I saw Jacey plead for the doctor's help in the first thread (didn't get it, from what I recall).

[Joshua Adams]

Thanks. I saw Jacey plead for the doctor's help in the first thread (didn't get it, from what I recall).Actually, Jacey got lynched, not mob-killed. The doctor can't protect from those.

[Clutch Munny]

Ah.

:carson: I did not know that.

ETA: But Jacey did ask the doctor to protect him; I think that's all I meant.

[Adam]

...the last game's most accomplished liar...

Aww, shucks. I think that's the most dubious compliment I've ever received. :tmgrin:

[Joshua Adams]

I think that's all I meant.I'll be the judge of that.

[livius drusus]

Aww, shucks. I think that's the most dubious compliment I've ever received. :tmgrin:
:manhug:

[beyelzu]

VICTORY

At IIDB http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/19.gif


congratulations spenser on the ii victory. after you lynched me knowing i was the cop and all, i really was pulling for you. why were the mobsters the only one to get the cop tell that i dropped?

congratulations again man.

that was a very well played endgame.

[Jacey]

Ah.

:carson: I did not know that.

ETA: But Jacey did ask the doctor to protect him; I think that's all I meant.

Yes, and if I hadn't been lynched the town probably wins, the way things played out. It was a very stupid lynch.

I might not be long for mafia at FF, I'm good at figuring out the mafia so I'll always be a threat.

[Spenser]

Well the game thread is going to slow down a bit now.

[Smilin]

Poor Capp! I knew him well!!!
:cohnoes:

[cappuccino]

I'll be looking forward to reading how vm renders my manner of death. It was rather unpleasant watching you angry mob bearing down on me. :P

I don't deserve to die!
:coffeemug:

[Spenser]

If any one is interested in a smaller game I started the Mafia 5 signup (http://iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=3615404#post3615404) at II. We could use a GM as well...

S

[TomJoe]

I'll be looking forward to reading how vm renders my manner of death.

It'll probably be hot, creamy and frothy. Maybe with a dash of cinnamon?

[Smilin]

MMMM...Cinammon
:homdrool:

[Legs]

I feel bad about cap too. I sure hope he' scum. :wish:

[Julie]

poor cap. Sorry

[Spenser]

There is the Werewolf 8 (http://iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=172574) sign up as well for those of you interested in my person favorite version of this game. It is Timed, every day at 3pm PST night falls and who ever has the most votes is lynched. PMs are allowed adding loads of intrigue...

Plus, since they moved us out of the lounge I'm not sure the kind of people that would want to play know these games are going on.

[Crumb]

Shit, he was innocent.

[Legs]

:brooding:

[Smilin]

Shit! :convo: :angry:

[Joshua Adams]

I feel responsible for this... if I hadn't said anything, nobody would have suspected you. Sorry capp.

Now all we need is for the vig to kill the cop and the mob to kill the vig and we'll be all set.

[Spenser]

I feel responsible for this... if I hadn't said anything, nobody would have suspected you. Sorry capp.

Now all we need is for the vig to kill the cop and the mob to kill the vig and we'll be all set.

Actually my reasoning on him was totally independany of you. And wrong to apparently but I'm not surprised. I think this whole thing is going to be difficult to go on much until there are about half the number of players. :sadcheer:

[Leesifer]

Ohnoes! You all offed a Townie. For shame. :tsktsk:

[viscousmemories]

It's reeeeeally slow at work today and the gods of the Internet fixed my email access, but I haven't received responses from all the players with special roles yet. So this one time anyway it's not my fault! Daybreak will come shortly after I hear from everyone.

[Smilin]

Hurry up people. I have to leave in 15 minutes, so I won't be back until in the morning (9a.m. CST)

:waiting:

[wei yau]

DISCLAIMER: The following in no way implies that minus has a special role in this game.

Faster pussycat! Kill! Kill! Kill!

[Spenser]

Vote: Smilin

[Smilin]

It's reeeeeally slow at work today and the gods of the Internet fixed my email access, but I haven't received responses from all the players with special roles yet. So this one time anyway it's not my fault! Daybreak will come shortly after I hear from everyone.


Bookmark this as a vital clue. :yup: :D

[Legs]

No kidding, first thing I did was look for people who had not posted/been online for a while. :yup:

[Smilin]

Legs...OFF SOMEONE WOULD YAH?

So the play can continue.... ;)

[Clutch Munny]

Legs, all I can think of when I see your celebratory countdown today is a whole cruise ship full of alphamales shouting "liberal pussies!" as they throw beer cans overboard.




This makes me want to lynch you.

[Legs]

:nope: I wish I could help you out.

[beyelzu]

Ah.

:carson: I did not know that.

ETA: But Jacey did ask the doctor to protect him; I think that's all I meant.

Yes, and if I hadn't been lynched the town probably wins, the way things played out. It was a very stupid lynch.

I might not be long for mafia at FF, I'm good at figuring out the mafia so I'll always be a threat.
well, im hoping it will die down soon. and spense, balluga and trill are still alive, so now im suspicious of them and really glad three experienced players are still playing.

also i suspect there is a bit of bias, people may not want to kill people they are posting with all the time, i expect such squeamishness to die out pretty soon.

[Legs]

This makes me want to lynch you.

I'll change it for you. :flirt:

[Smilin]

Legs, all I can think of when I see your celebratory countdown today is a whole cruise ship full of alphamales shouting "liberal pussies!" as they throw beer cans overboard.




This makes me want to lynch you.

Now that's a downright shame throwing beer overboard! :lol:

[Sock Puppet]

Shit! Missed nightfall again. :(

[Smilin]

Puppet...hurry up and submit your votes so the game can continue.

Hell with it, I'm working overtime tonight!

[Leesifer]

All the votes are in, Smilin. It's nightfall isn't it.

[Smilin]

:lol:

I meant for him to make his "choice"

I should have clarified. VM is currently awaiting e-mails from the specialty players with their "choice".

I was taking a cheap shot at puppet! :balls2:

[viscousmemories]

I wouldn't read too much into my previous comment. The fact that I gave my email address out at the beginning of the game means someone doesn't necessarily have to be online to send me their info. Anyway I got the last decision about an hour ago, but had to write the scene and finish work (yes, in that order :laugh: )

It'll be up in a minute.

[livius drusus]

I hate to see y'all's broken bodies, Sock and capp. I'll pour out liquor for ya tonight. :saddrunk:

Great job on the Law & Order opener, vm. :bow:

[beyelzu]

seconded on both counts, liv.


that opening was freaky, fucking baseball bat.

[Widget]

oops I'm dead

[beyelzu]

Rules question, b/c bey just raised an issue I hadn't considered: If the mob targets the vigilante, does the vigilante carry out his action before he dies?


Sure he does, It's like paying your Visa with Mastercard.
widget, tell me about life on the other side, is it like they say in the bible :tmgrin:

[livius drusus]

Days one and two both took 9 pages. This could be a really, really long thread.

[Legs]

Well if people don't want to vote, what can ya do? :shrug:

[livius drusus]

Who's complaining? I think it's a blast. :vibes:

[Legs]

:vibes:

[Ensign Steve]

I'm so confused. Is it possible for the vigilante and the mafia to both take out the same person? This game is fucking complicated, I couldn't even imagine trying to strategerize it.

[viscousmemories]

Pretty much anything can happen. A lot of the dynamics are controlled by the game master (in this case, me.) So yes, in the game I'm running at least if the vigilante and the mob asked to have the same player killed, all you'd see is a dead player in the morning. It wouldn't be obvious who did it.

[Spenser]

That's the hard part, in WW the wolves would eat their victims and the lunatic would stuff them in the town bell or something so we knew. This changes a lot.

[Crumb]

Is this not how the vigilante is supposed to be played?

[Joshua Adams]

Is this not how the vigilante is supposed to be played?There's no right way to play. But it means the mafia have the advantage in figuring out who the vigilante is, since they know who the victim was (assuming that's useful at all, but there you go).

I was wondering what happens if the mafia recruit the cop/doc/vigilante. Do they keep their special powers or just become a standard mafia? I don't even want to think about having an evil vigilante on our hands...

[Crumb]

No the vigilante would be a mafia then and not a vigilante. That's how it was explained earlier, anyway.

[beyelzu]

i think spenser is just pointing out that the game is different from what hes used to. ultimately all game decisions are subject to the design of the gm, and ww and mafia are both games that have lots of variation as far as i can tell.

[Spenser]

I am not saying anything is wrong, it is always up to the GM, it is just that this format is going to be more difficult for us because we are given less info. Plus I didn't think there would be much to go on until we had a lot less players and if the vigilante is gone that is going to take a while.

[beyelzu]

why do you think the vigilante is gone? do you think he was recruited? or she to be fair.

[Joshua Adams]

No the vigilante would be a mafia then and not a vigilante. That's how it was explained earlier, anyway.Do you happen to have a link (or know where this was said)? If it's too much trouble we can just wait for vm to come along tomorrow.

[Spenser]

This whole thing reinforces my belief that the vigilante would kill newer players and the experienced ones are still around because the mob was busy stealing a townie. IOW Jacey was a mob hit.

[beyelzu]

that makes sense, but i dont think we are supposed to discuss current theories here. my own post is probably over the line. vm, want to move them to the game thread?

[viscousmemories]

There's kind of a parallel discussion in the game thread, so I don't think it's a problem.

I spent hours yesterday reading about Mafia strategy, rules, ethics, moderating etc. at various related websites, and the key thing I learned is because there are a brazilian variable configurations and approaches to the game, a lot of decisions have to be made on the fly by the GM. As Joshua alluded to earlier, there is no "right way" to play - no set of rules that dictates roles and play management.

Basically my responsibility as the GM is to strive for a balanced game, processing actions and divulging information as I see fit in an effort to give both sides a fair shot at winning. Hence my recent post on the game thread about the order in which I processed the actions. I'm not sure that's something a GM would ordinarily share, but under the circumstances it seemed like essential information for a balanced game.

I don't expect to do this perfectly (or even well, necessarily) my first time out of the gate, but I'm having a blast doing it and I'm trying really hard to do it well and fair. In fact I'm having a lot more fun GM'ing than I did playing, so I'm looking forward to running more games and building my own standards in the process as long as people stay interested in playing.

[beyelzu]

we are having mafia starting up at ii if you wanted to sign up and missed out here or if you have been killed off.

[beyelzu]

There's kind of a parallel discussion in the game thread, so I don't think it's a problem.

I spent hours yesterday reading about Mafia strategy, rules, ethics, moderating etc. at various related websites, and the key thing I learned is because there are a brazilian variable configurations and approaches to the game, a lot of decisions have to be made on the fly by the GM. As Joshua alluded to earlier, there is no "right way" to play - no set of rules that dictates roles and play management.

Basically my responsibility as the GM is to strive for a balanced game, processing actions and divulging information as I see fit in an effort to give both sides a fair shot at winning. Hence my recent post on the game thread about the order in which I processed the actions. I'm not sure that's something a GM would ordinarily share, but under the circumstances it seemed like essential information for a balanced game.

I don't expect to do this perfectly (or even well, necessarily) my first time out of the gate, but I'm having a blast doing it and I'm trying really hard to do it well and fair. In fact I'm having a lot more fun GM'ing than I did playing, so I'm looking forward to running more games and building my own standards in the process as long as people stay interested in playing.


glad to hear it, i am really looking forward to play more games, and i am definitely enjoying your gming it. good times.

[livius drusus]

:yeahthat: Have you ever considered writing a choose-your-own-adventure novel, vm? You have a real flair for the dramatic setup.

[viscousmemories]

Thanks bey, liv.

I'm not even sure what a choose-your-own-adventure novel is... :chin:

[livius drusus]

They're your furture, baby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choose_Your_Own_Adventure)!

[Adam]

Man, I loved those when I was a kid. Especially the Time Machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_%28book_series%29) rip-off series.

[Adam]

They're your furture, baby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choose_Your_Own_Adventure)!

OK, is that a joke I don't get, or has levius actually made two spelling mistakes in the last 48 hours? Pieces of my shattered worldview are raining down around me as I speak. :hide:

[livius drusus]

It's a typo, not a spelling error. Believe it or not, I haven't had any difficulty remembering how to spell 'future' in about 25 years. Besides, I make typos all the time. If you're just realizing that now, it's probably about time your reality shattered around you. :patpat:

[Adam]

Sorry, I'm only comfortable in a world where I make the typos and everyone else is perfect.

[viscousmemories]

Okay, I need some input on how to do the running vote tallies I post periodically. As Spenser mentioned, the way the GM's at IIDB do it takes the following format:

Player X - Player Y

Totals:
Player Y - 1

Which reads as:

Player X [voted for] Player Y

Totals:
Player Y [ has one vote against him/her]

For no particular reason I've been posting the tallies as:

Player X - # Player Y, Player Z

Which reads as:

Player X [has # votes against, cast by Player Y, Player Z]

Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages. For example in the former, it's easier to find an answer to the question "Who did Player X vote for?" but in the latter it's easier to find an answer to "Who all voted for Player X?" Both make it fairly easy to determine how many votes a given player has against them, although the total at the bottom is more prominent.

Another consideration is the fact that gathering, reading and interpreting data is a large part of the challenge in this game, so I'm not sure how much help a GM should provide in this effort. For example, should I be reporting unvotes and/or sorting the tallies by the order in which votes were cast, or should I just report the raw data in alphabetical order (as I have been) and leave the burden of gathering minutae and analysing it on the players?

For the sake of continuity I'll probably keep doing it as I have been for the rest of this game, but I'd like to hear any ideas you all have. If someone comes up with an obviously superior method I might adopt it sooner.

[cappuccino]

I think you should just post the raw data and leave the organization and interpretation up to the players. It's their job to figure out who's which and that means organizing and analyzing the data. Make them bleed, sweat, and suffer in order to win the game.

Also the work of interpreting the data forces the players to go back and look over the previous posts again. So that's a good thing, otherwise some people might get too lazy if a complete data format was presented to them all the time.

[Joshua Adams]

I was thinking maybe you should just out all of the mafia in the OP, for the next game.

[viscousmemories]

Oh that's a given.

[livius drusus]

I like being able to see who all voted for player x, but I'm finding it difficult to parse in the early stages when it's just one or two votes per person accused.

How about some formatting changes to lend visual distinction? Just using one of your recent tallies as an example, I'm thinking something like this:

Current votes to lynch (8 required):

Julie - 0
Legs - 0
Adam - 0
trillian - 0
Smilin - 2: beyelzu, Legs
minus - 0
livius drusus - 0
TomJoe - 0
balluga - 1: Smilin

You could also use a three column html table. Nothing like lines and labels to lend visual distinction. :giggle:

[Joshua Adams]

The tally is just for keeping up with whose neck is currently in the noose, and how close we are to nightfall. There's no need to have detailed information beyond what everyone's latest vote is, and the number each person has against them.

Things like a complete voting history and the order and shit are up to players to keep track of.

Oh and I prefer the "IIDB" style but it doesn't matter since I keep my own records.

[Crumb]

I like what liv did. :1thumbup: