Mafia - Game III

[viscousmemories]

Welcome to the :ff: edition of Mafia - Game III

For more information, see About: Mafia (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9326)

This thread is for active game players (listed below) only. Posts by non- or eliminated players will be removed.

All :ff: members may discuss the game in the Peanut Gallery (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9415) thread.

This Mafia consists of 17 players, including the following roles:

Mafia
3 Mafia
1 Traitor (may kill 1 person in the course of the game)

Townies
1 Cop (may investigate role of 1 player per night)
1 Doctor (may protect one player from being killed per night, no consecutive protections of the same player and no protecting themselves)
1 Vigilante (may kill 2 suspected mafia in the course of the game)

The Vigilante: Nobody will know who the vigilante is, but he/she has 2 chances in the course of the game to kill suspected mafia during the night.

The Traitor: Nobody will know who the traitor is, but he/she will know who are in the Mafia and use his votes to protect them. The traitor may also kill one person at night in the course of the game.

This is a non-PMing version of the game. Townies should not be exchanging game-related PM's.

All game play should occur during daytime and within the game thread. There are no discussions at night in the game thread. When a majority has been reached 50% +1 vote, any player may call nightfall and all game play should immediately cease. Any posts made after nightfall may be removed to the peanut gallery thread. Any surviving Mafia can PM each other and mafia, the cop, and the doc and vigilante all PM me there choices for a kill, investigation or protection.

If you'd prefer, you may use email instead of PM to contact me: viscousmemories *AT* gmail *DOT* com.

Votes must be in bold or they won't be counted!

The game consists of the following players:

1) beyelzu
2) cappuccino
3) Ensign Steve
4) Julie
5) Leesifer
6) NC Kev
7) Sock Puppet
8) balluga
9) MonCapitan2002
10) Nightson
11) slimshady2357
12) Joshua Adams
13) Adam
14) godfry n. glad
15) TomJoe
16) trillian

* * * * * * * * INTRODUCTION * * * * * * * * *

She swung open the front door, pleasantly surprised by the rush of warm air on her face. The wet ice sparkled in the trees and small patches of grass were struggling into view. The unbearably protracted struggle between Lady Spring and Old Man Winter had finally come to an end, the former radiating with victory. Dorothy nearly floated to the mailbox, overcome with the joy of spring and prepared to face anything - even the horrifying gas bill she'd been expecting.

She grabbed the bunch of mail from the box and flipped through as she walked toward the house. When she got to a small brown envelope with nothing but the word "Urgent" in large red letters, her heart skipped a beat. The beauty and comfort of spring suddenly became cold and terrible. She tore it open.

D,

P and at least two of his men have disappeared, and we have reason to believe they're heading your way.

Be careful.

Cpt. X

Once inside, she stuffed the letter back into the envelope, lit it on fire and threw it in the fireplace. She picked up her sattelite phone and dialed the emergency number.

"Hello?"

"It's D. We have a problem..."

* * * * * * * *

Daybreak

[cappuccino]

First one to check in. :wave: That was an excellent game opening, vm, this should be a good game!

[MonCapitan2002]

I think it will as well. Watch out for the bad guys. You know they are out there.

[godfry n. glad]

Greetings everybody...fine morning, eh?

[Sock Puppet]

If by "fine" you mean "complete with murderous mafia roaming about," sure. Let's get these fuckers. It's time for a town win here on :ff:. :cheer:

[MonCapitan2002]

Yes it is. They are a menace and they need to be stopped!

[cappuccino]

No kidding, in both Mafia and WW games I've played so far, we lost miserably. Not this time. We, the townies, are going to win, I swear.

[MonCapitan2002]

It sucks doesn't. Too much like real life with the bad guys always winning.

[Joshua Adams]

Hi everybody.

Vote: beyelzu

Why? Well, we need to get the ball rolling, and he seems to admit in the other thread that he's a good bad guy and a bad good guy. I just hope he isn't the cop or anything.

[MonCapitan2002]

Isn't it a bit early to be laying down the hammer? Why single out beyelzu? Just because he has an anthropomorphized smoking penis as an avatar is no reason to demand his head.

[Joshua Adams]

It's not early to be laying down the hammer, because no matter how long we sit here no good evidence is going to accumulate until people start voting and defending themselves.

[MonCapitan2002]

Don't you see this is what they want? They want us to start calling for people's heads without anything to go on!

[Joshua Adams]

That's just how it is on day 1 and 2. There's no real way around it. Read the other threads here and on IIDB.

[MonCapitan2002]

Very well. I might as well start a bandwagon.

Vote: beyelzu

Sorry man. Someone has to go. It might as well be you. :sadcheer:

[trillian]

Good morning town!

Beyelzu may find out today that people keep memories from a past game (when he was eeeeeevil!) which is really just as good as random I guess.

I like to get any super-low-flyers out of the way so I'm waiting for tomorrow to see if anyone pops up (or doesnt).

Remember to be careful not to lynch people before they have a chance to claim a role!(if any).

[balluga]

Beyelzu may find out today that people keep memories from a past game (when he was eeeeeevil!) which is really just as good as random I guess.

Hey, I remember you being evil, and you say that is just as good as a random vote, so vote trillian until something better come up.

[Nightson]

Alright, the beginning of the game is marked by random votes, nobody has anything on anybody at this point. Bandwagons are needed to cause discussion, but you don't lynch people based on absolutely nothing because "Somebody needs to die" Scum can easily and do exploit that. (It's different in WW where someone really does just need to die) Vote to lynch people (which is different from the early random voting) only when you have a reason to vote for them.

[Nightson]

Ohh, and I'll vote: Trillian just because I did last time :P

[Ensign Steve]

:wave: Hi! I'm a newbie and I have no idea how I should vote on day 1 so I'm just checking in.

Good opening, vm! :)

[MonCapitan2002]

Ohh, and I'll vote: Trillian just because I did last time :P
You go through this whole spiel telling us not to vote randomly while you vote for Trillian because you did so last time?

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu
2) cappuccino
3) Ensign Steve
4) Julie
5) Leesifer
6) NC Kev
7) Sock Puppet
8) balluga -> trillian
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson -> trillian
11) slimshady2357
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) Spenser
15) godfry n. glad
16) TomJoe
17) trillian

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 2
trillian - 2

[Nightson]

Ohh, and I'll vote: Trillian just because I did last time :P
You go through this whole spiel telling us not to vote randomly while you vote for Trillian because you did so last time?

Oh no, you have to vote randomly, but random votes are not the same as votes later in the game, random (random equals anything not meant to lynch) votes are ment to cause discussion, later votes are meant to lynch.

[MonCapitan2002]

I see.

[Leesifer]

Morning all. :ciao:

/me checks in.

I will wait for a few more posts before casting a vote. We definitely do need a town win this time though. :yup:

[slimshady2357]

Good morning all! :)

It doesn't really matter what you do at this stage, you're going to be pegged as suspicious for it later :giggle:

"He/she was too quiet at the start, they're suspicious"
"He/she was accusing people to much at the start, they're suspicious"
"He/she wasn't voting enough at the start, they're suspicious"
"He/she was voting too much at the start, they're suspicious"

So do whatever you like :D

Me, I see some tells from MonCap already,

vote MonCap

[TomJoe]

Checking in.

:noid:

[TomJoe]

Ok, read through the thread. It seems we have two wheel barrels at the moment (not large enough to call them bandwagons), which aren't telling us much. So I'm going to hold off on voting for now.

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu
2) cappuccino
3) Ensign Steve
4) Julie
5) Leesifer
6) NC Kev
7) Sock Puppet
8) balluga -> trillian
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson -> trillian
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) Spenser
15) godfry n. glad
16) TomJoe
17) trillian

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 2
trillian - 2
Moncapitan2002 - 1

[cappuccino]

slimshady's got it pegged, anything you do at this stage can be considered suspicious. In the last Mafia game, I was too vocal and got lynched for it. This time, I'm going to be more cautious in expressing my thoughts and analyses. I was a total newbie so I was just jumping all over the place. Hopefully with two games under my belt, I'll be more wise this time.

I have to leave, I need to spend the day preparing for an important appointment tomorrow but I'll be checking in from time to time to keep up with the game's progress.

[Sock Puppet]

Let's make it a 3-way tie.

vote: MonCapitan2002

Nothing personal. Yet. :narrow:

[Ensign Steve]

Me, I see some tells from MonCap already

What kind of tells?

[Julie]

LOL I'm leary of anyone and their "tells" been there done that...two dead towns now *sigh*

The town will win! We deserve to win!

and lol I'm not casting a vote cause 3rd on a bandwagon is a mafia tell ;)

[Adam]

What kind of tells?

Mob tells...scummy, scummy mob tells... :shakefist:

Just checking in...I see the bandwagons are all even now, so I'll hold off on voting and see what the accused have to say for themselves.

How am I doing so far, people? Too Adamesque? Not Adamesque enough? Throw me a frickin' bone here...

[beyelzu]

adam if it makes you feel better, i killed someone at ii and find a werewolf both based on them being adamesque :tmgrin:

and for me right now you are just adamesque enough to be a townie, but not so adamesque to be mafia :tmgrin:

vote cappuccino hes just setting off my mafiadar right now.

[Kevlar]

Ok, I'm checking in. I'm tiling my floor (no mafia scumb would tile his own floor!), so I'll be in and out today.

I'm voting beyelzu and I'll admit, it's a little more than just a random pick. Even if he is a townie, he will get eventually get recruited by the mafia.

vote: beyelzu

[Sock Puppet]

There's no recruiting in this game, if I have it right. Right, vm-gm?

[Kevlar]

Really? Ok, my bad, but my vote still stands.

[viscousmemories]

You are correct, suh. There is no recruiting in this game.

[slimshady2357]

Me, I see some tells from MonCap already

What kind of tells?

Too many references to the mafia in a very short time:
Watch out for the bad guys. You know they are out there.They are a menace and they need to be stoppedIt sucks doesn't. Too much like real life with the bad guys always winning.Don't you see this is what they want? They want us to start calling for people's heads without anything to go on!

All of those in seperate posts too.

[Sock Puppet]

I keep getting proxy authorization errors, which is fuxx0ring my online access sporadically. I'll do my best to keep up with the thread, but may disappear for hours at a time.

[Leesifer]

I'm inclined to agree with you there, slim, but I will wait to see what MonCap has to say for himself.

[Sock Puppet]

Those scum tells could also be just n00b tells, but I'm keeping my vote on MonCap until I hear his own explanation.

I'm not big on "classic" tells. They seem rarely to correspond to the realities of play.

[TomJoe]

I think MonCap is just a n00b, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. However, if he takes a Smilin or Legs approach, I can see us getting him out of the loop so he doesn't muddy the waters.

[trillian]

Perhaps it isn't just because he voted for me "last time".

vote: Nightson

And I agree that the tells are almost impossible to see first day, especially since people have played a few times now.

[Adam]

adam if it makes you feel better, i killed someone at ii and find a werewolf both based on them being adamesque :tmgrin:

Hahahaha...I just went and searched that thread for my name...awesome.

I hate the first day of a new game. So many people to vote for, so little evidence. MonCappy, come defend yourself from the accusations that you leave a scum tell in every post so I have something game related to talk about.

[Nightson]

Hmm unvote

Pressure vote: MonCapitan

[godfry n. glad]

So... What does anybody KNOW?

All I know is that D got a call, that P and two of his men escaped.

Wouldn't they stand out amongst the townies if they are recent arrivals?

[beyelzu]

cuz we arent real bright obviously, come on godfry, suspension of disbelief.

[godfry n. glad]

cuz we arent real bright obviously, come on godfry, suspension of disbelief.

Okay...willing suspension of disbelief. Just what do you know, given the context?

We haven't even any confirmation that the three are mafia or are headed our way. It's still at the rumor stage and we've got folks calling for heads to roll...or swing.

Is there any strategy that might work to counter any evil elements in our midst, while minimizing the number of townies who are killed?

[Ensign Steve]

Damnit, I want to make a vote but I'm not ready yet. I want to vote for MonCap, but not when he already has 3 against him. I'm going to continue to abstain for now.

[Leesifer]

We haven't even any confirmation that the three are mafia or are headed our way. It's still at the rumor stage and we've got folks calling for heads to roll...or swing.

Well, that's why I'm waiting for MonCap to defend himself before voting. By getting some votes in, people will then have to come back to the thread and defend themselves. There's no way of really knowing anything this early in the game.

[cappuccino]

In regards to MonCap's previous posts, I thought they were just typically MonCap posts. But at this stage of game, we can't assume anything. I'll wait for Mon to defend himself before I toss in my vote. Ugh, I don't like this initial stage of game where voting is essentially random.

Beyelzu, *snort*, so you're voting for me? More than anything else, I trust you the least of all the players here. I haven't forgotten how easily you fooled me before, you and your soft-heart bad boy facade. So you'll forgive me if I'm a little paranoid about whether you're a baddie or not.

[Sock Puppet]

Is there any strategy that might work to counter any evil elements in our midst, while minimizing the number of townies who are killed?
There's very little that we common townies can do at this point, other than make unfair accusations and note how the accusees defend themselves. We'll have much more to go on as the game progresses, and we'll be able to make more intelligent guesses (potentially, anyway). I've never seen a game that got a mafia on the first lynch.

[slimshady2357]

Random lynching seems to be the only way to start this game.

But I'll be the first to admit that my "evidence" against MonCap is pretty thin, but it's all I have right now.

This early there isn't any good evidence anyway. So I migh as well stick with my vote and see how it goes. The stats say, we'll likely lynch a townie, but what else can we do? :shrug:

I'm off to bed now, see y'all tomorrow!

:wave:

:bed:

[Joshua Adams]

I'd like to know why bey suspects capp.

And I'd like to know why trillian voted for Nightson. What do you mean it might not be just because he voted for you last game? What sinister reason could he have to target you? Supposing he is mafia, why would that imply he is singling you out?

P.S. My alarm bells blared after reading MonCap's first post or two. Can't tell if he's just being n00bish or what. I'd like to think he's got a better poker face than that.

[godfry n. glad]

We can assume that all the mafia types know who the others are at this point? Or, do they need wait until after the first day (during the first night, when they get to communicate to select their victim)?

[Joshua Adams]

I don't know personally, but I would think they are told who their people are in the initial role PM. Otherwise they might lynch a fellow mafia on the first day.

[Leesifer]

I'm off to bed in a minute, so obviously won't be posting.

Just wanted to let you all know in case I get "done in" for being too quiet.

[Sock Puppet]

I don't trust those sleeping types. All the shifty rapid-eye movements, and they're just too quiet.

[trillian]

And I'd like to know why trillian voted for Nightson. What do you mean it might not be just because he voted for you last game? What sinister reason could he have to target you? Supposing he is mafia, why would that imply he is singling you out?


Well, it seems that he wanted votes to bring on discussion- and not necessarily to lynch (ie trying to draw out the quieter players so that the town has more information). He voted afterI had already posted, and when most other players had not. So yeah, I think his vote looks a bit suspect for me, even based on his own advice.

[trillian]

We can assume that all the mafia types know who the others are at this point? Or, do they need wait until after the first day (during the first night, when they get to communicate to select their victim)?
The 2x I have been in the "family way", I knew from the very first PM who the other mafia was.

[Leesifer]

I don't trust those sleeping types. All the shifty rapid-eye movements, and they're just too quiet.

I haven't gone yet, you know.

[viscousmemories]

We can assume that all the mafia types know who the others are at this point?
Yep, the mafia were told who their family members are in the role notification PM.

[Sock Puppet]

I haven't gone yet, you know.
:giggle:

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> cappuccino
2) cappuccino
3) Ensign Steve
4) Julie
5) Leesifer
6) NC Kev -> beyelzu
7) Sock Puppet -> Moncapitan2002
8) balluga -> trillian
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson -> Moncapitan2002
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) Spenser
15) godfry n. glad
16) TomJoe
17) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 3
trillian - 1
Moncapitan2002 - 3
cappuccino - 1
Nightson - 1

[Sock Puppet]

I'm outta here too. Have to finish painting my deck tonight, so I probably won't be on until morning.

[Nightson]

And I'd like to know why trillian voted for Nightson. What do you mean it might not be just because he voted for you last game? What sinister reason could he have to target you? Supposing he is mafia, why would that imply he is singling you out?


Well, it seems that he wanted votes to bring on discussion- and not necessarily to lynch (ie trying to draw out the quieter players so that the town has more information). He voted afterI had already posted, and when most other players had not. So yeah, I think his vote looks a bit suspect for me, even based on his own advice.

You're discussing it right now aren't you? :P

[beyelzu]

Is there any strategy that might work to counter any evil elements in our midst, while minimizing the number of townies who are killed?
There's very little that we common townies can do at this point, other than make unfair accusations and note how the accusees defend themselves. We'll have much more to go on as the game progresses, and we'll be able to make more intelligent guesses (potentially, anyway). I've never seen a game that got a mafia on the first lynch.


on day one of the werewolf game at ii that crumb and i won we lynched a vamp, the crotch for being kind of inactive and not so trustworthy, pretty random really. and as the loon i killed jfryejr, a werewolf, on spensers suggestion cuz jfrye previously had previously muddied the waters, and i think he was kind of quiet on that first day.

but even though we got two, it wasnt because of any real tells or anything.

[beyelzu]

as to my suspicions of capp, he just didnt seem himself, something about his post rang false.

its hard to put into words really.

[Nightson]

Damnit, I want to make a vote but I'm not ready yet. I want to vote for MonCap, but not when he already has 3 against him. I'm going to continue to abstain for now.

With nine to lynch, one doesn't really need to worry about placing a vote on someone until the sixth vote. You'll have plenty of time to unvote if something hapens like another player being more scummy or if you think MonCapitans response indicate he sn't scum.

[Ensign Steve]

With nine to lynch, one doesn't really need to worry about placing a vote on someone until the sixth vote. You'll have plenty of time to unvote if something hapens like another player being more scummy or if you think MonCapitans response indicate he sn't scum.

Yeah I suppose you're right.

vote: MonCapitan

[Julie]

Well i'm still going to hold my vote untill a few more posts happen...its still to early for me to be wanting to vote...



(heh Idle chatter...I'm not good at it but I am trying!)

[cappuccino]

as to my suspicions of capp, he just didnt seem himself, something about his post rang false.

its hard to put into words really.

Sigh, maybe it's because I'm changing my style of play? I'm learning from my mistakes which got me killed in the first place and one thing I've learned is how easily I can become paranoid or confused just by the little things which then leads to even more confusion among us. So I'm seeking to avoid that by looking at the big picture, keeping a clear head, peel off all the distracting fluff thrown out by the players, and outwitting the mafia. If that means me "not being myself" then well, what do you expect? I'm not a broken record that can't adapt based on what I've learned.

godfry, what are your thoughts about the P and the two men? At first I assumed they were the mafia but now I'm taking a second look at my assumptions. I'm eager to see what vm has in store for us!

[Joshua Adams]

I don't see Buckles anywhere. :susp2:

[godfry n. glad]

godfry, what are your thoughts about the P and the two men? At first I assumed they were the mafia but now I'm taking a second look at my assumptions. I'm eager to see what vm has in store for us!

Frankly, I don't have any. It's all rumor, as far as I'm concerned. I've seen no evidence to back up the rumor, and I'm not a big fan of "tells", as they seem to be the product of active imaginations.

I'm watching carefully and have a couple of suspicions, but nothing worth airing now.

[viscousmemories]

For the benefit of those new to Mafia: There are no hints in the opening story or in fact any of the scenes I'll be writing throughout the game, and the roles are no mystery. I used what's called an "open setup" in this and the last game, which means I've told you explicitly which roles are present and how many of each (3 mafia, 1 cop, 1 doctor, 1 vigilante, 1 traitor). "P and two of his men" is an allusion to the 3 players who are mafia.

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> cappuccino
2) cappuccino
3) Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
4) Julie
5) Leesifer
6) NC Kev -> beyelzu
7) Sock Puppet -> Moncapitan2002
8) balluga -> trillian
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson -> Moncapitan2002
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) Spenser
15) godfry n. glad
16) TomJoe
17) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 3
trillian - 1
Moncapitan2002 - 4
cappuccino - 1
Nightson - 1

[MonCapitan2002]

I don't want to be killed by the mafia. :cry: That is why I want to get them before they get us. My newness to the game made me kind of nervous so I got a little paranoid. This is my first game and I am already nearly halfway to the the gallows.

[beyelzu]

unvote, capp

im buying your explanation currently, but im still kind of suspicious of you.

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

im going to throw a vote on balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

[godfry n. glad]

im going to throw a vote on [b]balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

And why do you say that?

[Nightson]

That's the response I expected from a townie unvote

[Adam]

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

I don't really think he's evil either, but I have a hard time reading tone from his posting style.

In the interest of stirring the Day 1 pot, how about a Vote: TomJoe, for no particular reason, other than I picked him at random from the people who have neither voted nor been voted for on vm's most recent tally.

[godfry n. glad]

Interesting.

I'd certainly like to hear from the other townies....perhaps we should have a sundae social down in the church basement, or something?

[godfry n. glad]

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

I don't really think he's evil either, but I have a hard time reading tone from his posting style.

In the interest of stirring the Day 1 pot, how about a Vote: TomJoe, for no particular reason, other than I picked him at random from the people who have neither voted nor been voted for on vm's most recent tally.

Y'know, I like that. I'm gonna vote: Spenser for the same non-reason.

[Nightson]

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

I don't really think he's evil either, but I have a hard time reading tone from his posting style.

In the interest of stirring the Day 1 pot, how about a Vote: TomJoe, for no particular reason, other than I picked him at random from the people who have neither voted nor been voted for on vm's most recent tally.

Y'know, I like that. I'm gonna vote: Spenser for the same non-reason.

I believe Spenser is on vacation.

[godfry n. glad]

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

I don't really think he's evil either, but I have a hard time reading tone from his posting style.

In the interest of stirring the Day 1 pot, how about a Vote: TomJoe, for no particular reason, other than I picked him at random from the people who have neither voted nor been voted for on vm's most recent tally.

Y'know, I like that. I'm gonna vote: Spenser for the same non-reason.

I believe Spenser is on vacation.

All the more reason. :whup:

[slimshady2357]

Good morning everyone! :)

Not much new happening I see, though a feel people have voted or unvoted.

It's so hard to vote right now, I'm not so sure MonCap is scum, but I don't have any feelings for anyone else either. I'll keep my vote as there doesn't seem to be any good reason to vote for anyone else.

[Leesifer]

And I'd like to know why trillian voted for Nightson. What do you mean it might not be just because he voted for you last game? What sinister reason could he have to target you? Supposing he is mafia, why would that imply he is singling you out?


Well, it seems that he wanted votes to bring on discussion- and not necessarily to lynch (ie trying to draw out the quieter players so that the town has more information). He voted afterI had already posted, and when most other players had not. So yeah, I think his vote looks a bit suspect for me, even based on his own advice.

Well, I haven't actually seen Nightson defending himself at all. Very odd, so.

Vote: Nightson

[TomJoe]

I believe Spenser is on vacation.

Which is a problem if that vacation is for a long stretch of time. If he's Mafia, he essentially flies under the radar until he returns, which then puts the town at a disadvantage because we have no patterns with which to out him. If he's a townie, he's of no use to us because firstly the Mafia can keep using his inactivity as a way to distract the town from focusing on them, and secondly because he won't be providing any valuable information/insights for the town to use.

Unless he shows up, or someone can verify that his inactivity will be brief, I vote Spenser.

And now Adam can unvote me as I've now voted (and been voted for as a matter of fact). :P

[Adam]

That's a good point. Pending more info on his vacation, I'll Unvote: TomJoe and Vote: Spenser. He's an easy choice if he isn't going to be here, b/c the worst case is we're offing a townie who isn't providing anything to the town except headcount (whereas, with anyone else, there are pretty good odds we're offing a townie who is contributing).

[beyelzu]

im going to throw a vote on [b]balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

And why do you say that?
trills a really good player, if a mafia player could get a bandwagon started on a good player on the first day its not a bad idea to do so.

i dont really think balluga is mafia mind you, it is just something small to go on.

[Leesifer]

That's a good point. Pending more info on his vacation, I'll Unvote: TomJoe and Vote: Spenser. He's an easy choice if he isn't going to be here, b/c the worst case is we're offing a townie who isn't providing anything to the town except headcount (whereas, with anyone else, there are pretty good odds we're offing a townie who is contributing).

Good point indeed!

unvote
vote: Spenser

[Kevlar]

Sure, why not, let's get the ball rolling:

unvote
vote: Spenser

[Adam]

be careful piling on...I don't want to see him lynched five minutes before he takes a lunch break, hits the forum, and tells us that rumors of his vacation have been greatly exagerrated.

[TomJoe]

Went over to IIDB and found this post of his (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=3642498&postcount=7) made on August 5th (in a Mafia signup there):

I'm in San Diego for a week long conference so I think I am going to abstain from this one.

[cappuccino]

It would seem that Spenser forgot that he also signed up for the FF Mafia game. vm, would it be possible to remove him from the game? I'd hate to waste a lynch on him.

[beyelzu]

i agree, a mod kill is a better idea than a lynch.

[viscousmemories]

God's publisher just called and apparently there was a typo in the book of life. There is no Spenser (townie).

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> balluga
2) cappuccino
3) Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
4) Julie
5) Leesifer
6) NC Kev
7) Sock Puppet -> Moncapitan2002
8) balluga -> trillian
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) godfry n. glad
15) TomJoe
16) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 2
trillian - 1
Moncapitan2002 - 3
Nightson - 1
balluga - 1

[TomJoe]

I assume he (who never existed) was a townie?

[viscousmemories]

He was. I've updated my post.

[TomJoe]

Ok, 4 out of the 16 of us are baddies. We have a 25% chance of nabbing a mafia member, not great odds, but not too bad either. I'd ask the vigilante to not kill anyone the first couple of nights. Tonight would be a purely random killing anyways, and if the cop can out a couple of mafia after a few days (like livius did) we can take two mobsters down then on the same day/night (via lynch and vigilante hit).

[slimshady2357]

Hey vm, great job gm'ing and posting the votes and what-not. Thanks!

And good call on the mod kill, seems like the best idea given the info we have.

[Leesifer]

Ok, I shall revote for Nightson, as per my previous post.

vote: Nightson

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> balluga
2) cappuccino
3) Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
4) Julie
5) Leesifer -> Nightson
6) NC Kev
7) Sock Puppet -> Moncapitan2002
8) balluga -> trillian
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) godfry n. glad
15) TomJoe
16) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 2
trillian - 1
Moncapitan2002 - 3
Nightson - 2
balluga - 1

[viscousmemories]

Hey vm, great job gm'ing and posting the votes and what-not. Thanks!
Thanks, and you're welcome! (Ditto to everyone else who's given props.)

And good call on the mod kill, seems like the best idea given the info we have.
Yeah, last night when I saw he hadn't logged in here in a couple days I searched IIDB for signs of life, but I missed the post TomJoe found saying he was out of town.

[Sock Puppet]

God's publisher just called and apparently there was a typo in the book of life. There is no Spenser (townie).
Aw, shit. That's too bad. It just isn't quite the same if we don't get to lynch Spenser. :sadcheer:

Since this day's dragging along anyway, I'll change my vote. A couple things godfry has said have made me vaguely suspicious of him. It's just a feeling right now; it may not last.

unvote; vote: godfry n. glad

[cappuccino]

That's a good idea TomJoe, the vigilante needs to conserve his/her kills till the cop comes out with the list. I'm now excited, I think we have a good chance of winning this game.

I'm going to vote for balluga to prod him into posting more. He has only one post in the game.

Vote: balluga

[TomJoe]

unvote, capp

im buying your explanation currently, but im still kind of suspicious of you.

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

im going to throw a vote on balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

I think you're trying too hard. That makes me suspicious.

vote beyelzu

[balluga]

I'm going to vote for balluga to prod him into posting more. He has only one post in the game.

Vote: balluga

I have been working on a huge project at work, which I should finish by today, so I will have more time to post. Like most of you, I have very little to go on. I agree that MonCapitan2002 does look suspious, but that is probally because of his newness, not anything else. In past games, some new people seem a little too enthuseastic and get themsleves lynched in the first day or two.

im going to throw a vote on balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

Yes, I know that trillian is a good player and if she is a townies, we should keep her around. My vote for her was more based on something she said.

Beyelzu may find out today that people keep memories from a past game (when he was eeeeeevil!) which is really just as good as random I guess.

Remember, she was evil last game, just like you were. In her own words voting for a past evil is just as good as a random vote. My vote, like Nightson's was more to see how she and the town reacted to it. I was not trying to start a bandwagon, just throwing some out there to see what happened. It seems like nothing happened, so unvote.

I have only read through everything once, and not everyone has posted, so I am holding off my next vote for a while. I will see if I can get on more today, but I should be good after that.

[Kevlar]

hmmm... hopping from one bandwagon to the next is very tiring, so I'll jump to one that isn't trying to hang imaginary people.

unvote
vote: beyelzu

[cappuccino]

Oh I know the feeling of real life getting in the way. I'm a little stressed out about a few things in real life so I don't know how that'd affect my playing in this game.

unvote

Personally, I don't think MonCap is a mafia, it's just his newness which's throwing people off. We'll get more info later in the game.

[trillian]

So Spenser is the first town suicide. Poor guy. He really must have forgotten because I opened a PM from him late yesterday (on iidb) so he at least had access for that. RIP Spenser! :dropdead:

[Julie]

Wow Lots of voteing unvoting going on this morning.

25% chance of getting a mob eh? Not toooo bad.

vote: beyelzu

Just cause this game needs to get rolling.

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> balluga
2) cappuccino
3) Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
4) Julie -> beyelzu
5) Leesifer -> Nightson
6) NC Kev -> beyelzu
7) Sock Puppet -> godfry n. glad
8) balluga
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) godfry n. glad
15) TomJoe -> beyelzu
16) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 5
Moncapitan2002 - 2
Nightson - 2
balluga - 1
godfry n. glad - 1

[Leesifer]

What say you to all this, bey?

Are you a fellow townie?

[TomJoe]

...:crick::crick::crick::crick:...

[trillian]

I hear ya TomJoe.
I don't want there to be a single bandwagon but there isn't anyone else I want to change my vote to at this point. I'll just have to wait patiently until the current 5 non-voters put in their input. Remember, we are looking for 3 of them, so any 3 suspicions may be correct. We just need one good one for today.

eta: actually odds are better as mentioned by someone else as there are 4. The odds are actually better than the mentioned 25% since the townies are all trying to find 4 bad guys out of 15, not 16. I was thinking the traitor guy didnt count bacause it does not matter for the end game, but it actually would be nice to get him before he makes his one kill and get rid of his votes as well.

[godfry n. glad]

Well...thanks, Sock. I guess I just get suspicious comments because anybody can read anything into an innocuous response. I voted for Spenser because there was no activity. At all.

I'm definitely a townie. I care for this town. I don't want any innocent to swing...but I expect participation to help us reduce that possibility. The more interaction, the more evidence (such as it is at this point in a game).

I notice there is another who, so far as I can tell, has yet to even sign in. I thus vote: Julie. Join us, Julie, and explain yourself.

[TomJoe]

I guess I just get suspicious comments because anybody can read anything into an innocuous response.

Yep. Often this game can be a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" proposition.

I notice there is another who, so far as I can tell, has yet to even sign in. I thus vote: Julie. Join us, Julie, and explain yourself.

Julie has already participated, and voted as a matter of fact.

To look at activity in these threads, I always go to the Colloseum main page and click on the post total for these types of threads. It'll tell you who has posted, and how often. You can then click that number to show you their posts specifically.

[trillian]

To look at activity in these threads, I always go to the Colloseum main page and click on the post total for these types of threads. It'll tell you who has posted, and how often. You can then click that number to show you their posts specifically.

I had no idea you could do that! Thanks! That will save me some time for sure.

[Nightson]

And I'd like to know why trillian voted for Nightson. What do you mean it might not be just because he voted for you last game? What sinister reason could he have to target you? Supposing he is mafia, why would that imply he is singling you out?


Well, it seems that he wanted votes to bring on discussion- and not necessarily to lynch (ie trying to draw out the quieter players so that the town has more information). He voted afterI had already posted, and when most other players had not. So yeah, I think his vote looks a bit suspect for me, even based on his own advice.

Well, I haven't actually seen Nightson defending himself at all. Very odd, so.

Vote: Nightson

Do I need to defend a random vote? Assuming Trillian is a townie, I want her in this game as long as possible. That doesn't mean I don't want to see her reaction when she's voted for.

[cappuccino]

I just want to get this day over with.

vote: beyelzu

[Leesifer]

Do I need to defend a random vote?

Well, yes! Others have and I would if I were voted against.

[Nightson]

Do I need to defend a random vote?

Well, yes! Others have...

*looks over thread*

Care to point them out?

[Leesifer]

Ok, having looked back over the thread, MonCap defended himself after having a few votes against him. So, I should say another had.

But Nightson, you are being quite aggressive here. Are you a townie?

[godfry n. glad]

I guess I just get suspicious comments because anybody can read anything into an innocuous response.

Yep. Often this game can be a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" proposition.

I notice there is another who, so far as I can tell, has yet to even sign in. I thus vote: Julie. Join us, Julie, and explain yourself.

Julie has already participated, and voted as a matter of fact.

To look at activity in these threads, I always go to the Colloseum main page and click on the post total for these types of threads. It'll tell you who has posted, and how often. You can then click that number to show you their posts specifically.

Thanks, TJ. I just scrolled back through the posts and missed them all. Oops. My bad....unvote: Julie.

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> balluga
2) cappuccino -> beyelzu
3) Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
4) Julie -> beyelzu
5) Leesifer -> Nightson
6) NC Kev -> beyelzu
7) Sock Puppet -> godfry n. glad
8) balluga
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) godfry n. glad
15) TomJoe -> beyelzu
16) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 6
Moncapitan2002 - 2
Nightson - 2
balluga - 1
godfry n. glad - 1

[Nightson]

Ok, having looked back over the thread, MonCap defended himself after having a few votes against him. So, I should say another had.

But Nightson, you are being quite aggressive here. Are you a townie?

MonCap is defending himself from things he said in his posts that sounded scummy to some people, he's not being questioned about a random vote. If someone points out something in my posts they think is scummy then I'll be happy to discuss it. But there's no defending a random vote, it's random, I just picked Trillian for no reason. That's why my vote isn't on her anymore, I think there's enough information to hazard a guess as to who's actually scum.

I am indeed a townie.

[Leesifer]

Oh no, you have to vote randomly, but random votes are not the same as votes later in the game, random (random equals anything not meant to lynch) votes are ment to cause discussion, later votes are meant to lynch.

With nine to lynch, one doesn't really need to worry about placing a vote on someone until the sixth vote. You'll have plenty of time to unvote if something hapens like another player being more scummy or if you think MonCapitans response indicate he sn't scum.

Do I need to defend a random vote? Assuming Trillian is a townie, I want her in this game as long as possible. That doesn't mean I don't want to see her reaction when she's voted for.

MonCap is defending himself from things he said in his posts that sounded scummy to some people, he's not being questioned about a random vote. If someone points out something in my posts they think is scummy then I'll be happy to discuss it. But there's no defending a random vote, it's random, I just picked Trillian for no reason. That's why my vote isn't on her anymore..

I am indeed a townie.

Ok, at this early stage, I am willing to unvote you, Nightson, if you can explain this:
I think there's enough information to hazard a guess as to who's actually scum.
Which I only clipped from the quotes above. No editing involved. Which information and who do you think is scum?

[Sock Puppet]

Well...thanks, Sock. I guess I just get suspicious comments because anybody can read anything into an innocuous response. I voted for Spenser because there was no activity. At all.
Like I said, it was just a vague suspicion. It had nothing to do with your vote, btw; everybody's gotta vote, and I didn't know of Spenser's nonexistence, either. I was just thinking some of your n00bish comments were a bit more rube than n00b -- and thus, perhaps, at least partially an act. Don't worry, everybody needs a vote here and there.

Three more votes to Nightfall unless the tide changes. I'd like to see if bey has anything further to add before committing.

[Nightson]

Which I only clipped from the quotes above. No editing involved. Which information and who do you think is scum?

The information to be found in people's posts

People I think might be scum:
Sock Puppet
Adam
NC Kev

People with less suspiscion:
Trillian
MonCapitan
Balluga
godfrey

[Adam]

As opposed to the information found in pigeon entrails? :tmgrin:

What information found in their posts?

[beyelzu]

What say you to all this, bey?

Are you a fellow townie?
already answered that, and the reasons for voting seam week.

nckev going after me is also week, he is being wishy washy and just jumping on nice safe bandwagons, its either shitty play or mafia play.

or shitty mafia play.

unvote, vote nckev

[Leesifer]

Which I only clipped from the quotes above. No editing involved. Which information and who do you think is scum?

The information to be found in people's posts

People I think might be scum:
Sock Puppet
Adam
NC Kev

People with less suspiscion:
Trillian
MonCapitan
Balluga
godfrey

You still haven't explained why, Nightson. Really, if you are a townie then I'm on your side but you've just put forward a list of names with no explanation.

I will go back over each persons posts now, but you still haven't really explained why you have your suspicions.

[Nightson]

You still haven't explained why, Nightson. Really, if you are a townie then I'm on your side but you've just put forward a list of names with no explanation.

I will go back over each persons posts now, but you still haven't really explained why you have your suspicions.

That's because I'm not voting for any of them. Two people have done a certain thing that I think is suspicious, and the rest are gut feelings based on the way they're playing.

The two people:
Trillian - Over reacted to a random vote
gofrey - seems to try to be mentioning that he is a townie alot

[cappuccino]

Nightson, there really isn't any way to determine who's the scum on the first day of voting. No matter what you'd like to think, we're essentially going on vague gut feelings which could mean anything. It's also self-defeating because we could convince ourselves that somebody's scum on the most flimsy evidence and end up hurting the town more.

Although the only way to start gauging who's out to kill us the townies is to start weeding out people now.

[beyelzu]

Wow Lots of voteing unvoting going on this morning.

25% chance of getting a mob eh? Not toooo bad.

vote: beyelzu

Just cause this game needs to get rolling.
way to join a bandwagon for little or no reason, im adding you to my list of suspects, darlin'

[Leesifer]

That's because I'm not voting for any of them

Why not? Surely if you have an idea who is scum you'd at least try to start some voting against them?

[slimshady2357]

This day may never end.

But I still don't see any good reason to change my vote, so I'm sticking with MonCap for now.

Sooner or later we have to lynch someone... right? Or maybe we could all live in perpetual daylight and no one ever has to die! :cheer:

Eta: I'm off to bed again, see y'all in the morning.

[Nightson]

Nightson, there really isn't any way to determine who's the scum on the first day of voting. No matter what you'd like to think, we're essentially going on vague gut feelings which could mean anything. It's also self-defeating because we could convince ourselves that somebody's scum on the most flimsy evidence and end up hurting the town more.

Although the only way to start gauging who's out to kill us the townies is to start weeding out people now.

Determine for certain? No. but that doesn't mean it's impossible to make an educated guess. The more discussion there is the better it is for the town. There's four people who are working together and probably trying to make sure it looks like they aren't. We don't suddenly have more infomation later in the game (unless the cop reveals himself), we're just more likely to get scum because there's fewer people to pick from. As long as the idea of, "We can't really find anything, we just have to lynch people" reigns, the town will only when through luck on the part of the specials or statistical chance.

[beyelzu]

unvote, capp

im buying your explanation currently, but im still kind of suspicious of you.

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

im going to throw a vote on balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

I think you're trying too hard. That makes me suspicious.

vote beyelzu

what the fuck does that mean anyway?

bandwagon much tomjoe?

[beyelzu]

im starting to feel a little frustrated with all this suspicion on me

so right now.

im going to unvote, vote beyelzu

and hope you suspicious cocksuckers go ahead and lynch me.

so two till i die,

[Nightson]

That's because I'm not voting for any of them

Why not? Surely if you have an idea who is scum you'd at least try to start some voting against them?

No, not really. I have suspicion, ones which I normally wouldn't even have bothered to post. But tell me, who are you suspicious of?

[beyelzu]

and ps,

a hearty fuck you to bandwagon jumpers.

[beyelzu]

:tmgrin:

[Leesifer]

No, not really. I have suspicion, ones which I normally wouldn't even have bothered to post. But tell me, who are you suspicious of?

Well, you, obviously. You're being very cagey, Nightson.

bey is under suspicion at the moment. Because he's being a bit too gung ho!

MonCap was (and still is because I'm not sure I'm falling for his tears).

[Sock Puppet]

the rest are gut feelings based on the way they're playing.
Well, your gut needs a second opinion. I'm playing like I've played before, trying to get info that will help the town, and throwing some wild speculation out until something more substantial is available.

[Ensign Steve]

bey :rarrow: :melo:

[trillian]

beyelzu, if you are not on the mafia side, you are not helping the town by expediting your own demise. It takes 9 to lynch and anything can (and sometimes does) happen.

And as for Nightson as his saying I overreacted? I was actually thinking maybe I didn't react enough for his taste. But with only one or 2 votes, I'm wasn't worried. That's the way these things go on day one.
I have found that on day one, the mafia sometimes just lets the town lynch an innocent all on their own so I'm not sure what we can tell at this point. Every time I have voted for a mafia on day one, the town lynched someone else and sometimes I just went along with one of the "wagons" to get the game moving.

[Joshua Adams]

bey is trying to look innocent, but that doesn't mean he isn't. Perhaps he is just trying to overcome people's innate distrust of him.

[Ensign Steve]

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

[Sock Puppet]

Well, considering so far he's beaten me into an unrecognizable pulp in one game and exsanguinated me in another, I can think of good reasons to be suspicious of bey.

[Nightson]

And as for Nightson as his saying I overreacted? I was actually thinking maybe I didn't react enough for his taste. But with only one or 2 votes, I'm wasn't worried. That's the way these things go on day one.


Your overreaction (at least it looked to me like an overreaction) is mildly suspicious. But it also happens to be the sort of thing I don't think you'd so if you were mafia. That's why you're only meriting very low suspicion from me.

[Nightson]

Well, considering so far he's beaten me into an unrecognizable pulp in one game and exsanguinated me in another, I can think of good reasons to be suspicious of bey.

He's a goo dplayer is not a valid reason to lynch someone.

[cappuccino]

bey is quite the suave gentleman. The likehood of him being Mafia again is 1/16 assuming vm used a random assignment so it's entirely possible he's not mafia but he's not helping the town one bit.

[Joshua Adams]

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.What I mean is, people are distrustful of him for no particular reason. Even if he is an innocent he would want to win people's trust, and would have to work at it. I don't see that kind of move as inconsistent with being a townie. Attempts to play like this are necessarily perceived as insincere, but that strikes me as illogical, because we are all trying to seem trustworthy to some extent.

[Nightson]

bey is quite the suave gentleman. The likehood of him being Mafia again is 1/16 assuming vm used a random assignment so it's entirely possible he's not mafia but he's not helping the town one bit.

I think it's 1/17

[cappuccino]

Spenser's been removed from the game and vm confirmed that he was an ordinary townie. So it's 1/16 :)

Edit: Duh, there are three mafia members so it would be 3/16

[Joshua Adams]

Isn't it 3/17...

I suppose if you eliminate Spenser. But I was thinking in terms of, what the odds were at the start when vm actually determined the roles.

[Leesifer]

Ok, townies, are we being too analytical for our own good at this stage?

I'm not so sure of MonCap's tears. He may protest too much, first time Mafia and all that.

Trillian, you play this game so well, I'm afraid I won't be sure of you until we've had some lynchin's.

bey, is being very brash, but, you know, that's bey.

I'm still not convinced about Nightson. So my vote for you stands.

ETA: There's been a brazillion posts while I was typing this. So I may change my mind.

[cappuccino]

Isn't it 3/17...

I suppose if you eliminate Spenser. But I was thinking in terms of, what the odds were at the start when vm actually determined the roles.

That's true, we really should be conditioning the probability based on Spenser's leaving and his original role. But I digress...I'm now being too analytical.

[Sock Puppet]

Well, considering so far he's beaten me into an unrecognizable pulp in one game and exsanguinated me in another, I can think of good reasons to be suspicious of bey.

He's a good player is not a valid reason to lynch someone.
It was a joke, son, ya missed it.
:foghorn:

And to be nitpicky myself, the exsanguination was the result of good play. In the other game he was the vigilante & killed me as a mafia suspect. Which was probably the result of bad play -- mine, for raising suspicion (even though I was a townie).

[beyelzu]

bey is quite the suave gentleman. The likehood of him being Mafia again is 1/16 assuming vm used a random assignment so it's entirely possible he's not mafia but he's not helping the town one bit.
what am i possibly going to say that will help the town while i carry six votes on the way to nine?????

protest my innocence?



beg to live?



nah, not my style.

so if you kids could be so kind as to unlynch me or go ahead and get to murdering me, i would muchly appreciate it.

:tmgrin:

i have made my votes and voiced my suspicions, thats alls i gots.

[Leesifer]

bey is quite the suave gentleman. The likehood of him being Mafia again is 1/16 assuming vm used a random assignment so it's entirely possible he's not mafia but he's not helping the town one bit.
what am i possibly going to say that will help the town while i carry six votes on the way to nine?????

protest my innocence?
beg to live?
nah, not my style.
so if you kids could be so kind as to unlynch me or go ahead and get to murdering me, i would muchly appreciate it.
:tmgrin:
i have made my votes and voiced my suspicions, thats alls i gots.

bey, you're not exactly being very helpful to us townies here, are you?

Nobody is asking you to beg, you smoking prick. :giggle:

However, you are being a bit "gung ho" as I mentioned earlier, so.

unvote: Nightson
vote: beyelzu

As you wish, bey, but if you are a townie then you have a funny way of showing it.

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> beyelzu
2) cappuccino -> beyelzu
3) Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
4) Julie -> beyelzu
5) Leesifer -> beyelzu
6) NC Kev -> beyelzu
7) Sock Puppet -> godfry n. glad
8) balluga
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams -> beyelzu
13) Adam
14) godfry n. glad
15) TomJoe -> beyelzu
16) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 8
Moncapitan2002 - 2
Nightson - 1
godfry n. glad - 1

[Nightson]

Bey, you are claiming townie right?

[viscousmemories]

Oh yeah, and FYI this is the pecking order in which I'll process night actions:

1. Doctor
2. Vigilante
3. Mafia
4. Traitor
5. Cop

For example: If the Vigilante selects to kill the traitor, the traitor won't get a chance to perform his/her kill.

[Joshua Adams]

And the Doctor?

[viscousmemories]

There is no doctor! :muahaha:


Okay, sorry. I'm an idiot. Editing my post now.

[Ensign Steve]

I don't know, guys. Have you ever seen anybody vote for themselves? I'm thinking anybody with a special role, be it good or bad, would not make a move like that. Are we sure we want to lynch a townie on the first day if we can help it? I mean, maybe he's not "helping the town" or whatever, but what can you expect from somebody who's so closed to being lynched, especially for no real good reason, except for shit that went down in previous games and have nothing to do with this one. He seems pissed off right now, and who wouldn't be?

He is a really good player, and it would probably be good for the town in the long run to keep him playing... assuming he is innocent, which is the assumption I'm going on.

[Joshua Adams]

It's true that voting for yourself is a risky move... whether it is a ballsy ploy to get people to change their votes or not, I dunno. And whether that indicates guilt, I dunno.

If he were a good special he would have said so by now. But with only one vote to go...

unvote: beyelzu

[Nightson]

Scum almost never vote for themselves. I'm 80% or so sure Bey is a townie.

[beyelzu]

Bey, you are claiming townie right?
yes, i do not have a special role to claim.

[beyelzu]

bey is quite the suave gentleman. The likehood of him being Mafia again is 1/16 assuming vm used a random assignment so it's entirely possible he's not mafia but he's not helping the town one bit.
what am i possibly going to say that will help the town while i carry six votes on the way to nine?????

protest my innocence?
beg to live?
nah, not my style.
so if you kids could be so kind as to unlynch me or go ahead and get to murdering me, i would muchly appreciate it.
:tmgrin:
i have made my votes and voiced my suspicions, thats alls i gots.

bey, you're not exactly being very helpful to us townies here, are you?

Nobody is asking you to beg, you smoking prick. :giggle:

However, you are being a bit "gung ho" as I mentioned earlier, so.

unvote: Nightson
vote: beyelzu

As you wish, bey, but if you are a townie then you have a funny way of showing it.
what does that mean exactly? gung ho, im always over the top and in your face. i have like multiple years of posting history you could look at.

whats helpful as a townie exactly? ive shared my suspicions and stated my innocence. there really isnt much else i can do.

and truthfully, i feel kind of frustrated right now, as i am feeling punished for actions i took in a different game. the time to lynch me was when i was mafia in mafia II here or the loonie vampire in werewolf 8 at ii, and for those of you who are lynching me now for that. well sucks to be you, i already won those games, and killing me now just wont fucking change it.

[Leesifer]

I don't know, guys. Have you ever seen anybody vote for themselves? I'm thinking anybody with a special role, be it good or bad, would not make a move like that. Are we sure we want to lynch a townie on the first day if we can help it? I mean, maybe he's not "helping the town" or whatever, but what can you expect from somebody who's so closed to being lynched, especially for no real good reason, except for shit that went down in previous games and have nothing to do with this one. He seems pissed off right now, and who wouldn't be?

He is a really good player, and it would probably be good for the town in the long run to keep him playing... assuming he is innocent, which is the assumption I'm going on.

ES?

Well, if I hadn't already voted for bey, I would after your post. However, I have already voted and that stands. And if I don't get lynched tonight for finding you both out, I'll be voting for you tomorrow.

[beyelzu]

let me see if i understand, you are going to vote for ES tomorrow after im lynched and vm tells you im a townie, yeah makes lots of sense.

unvote, vote leesifer

come to me my little mafia princess. see i understand some people desire to see me hung, but i havent really done shit to you, and you keep pushing a really weak reason to lynch me, something that i have done when i am scum.

lets dance in hell, my sweet.

[Nightson]

I don't know, guys. Have you ever seen anybody vote for themselves? I'm thinking anybody with a special role, be it good or bad, would not make a move like that. Are we sure we want to lynch a townie on the first day if we can help it? I mean, maybe he's not "helping the town" or whatever, but what can you expect from somebody who's so closed to being lynched, especially for no real good reason, except for shit that went down in previous games and have nothing to do with this one. He seems pissed off right now, and who wouldn't be?

He is a really good player, and it would probably be good for the town in the long run to keep him playing... assuming he is innocent, which is the assumption I'm going on.

ES?

Well, if I hadn't already voted for bey, I would after your post. However, I have already voted and that stands. And if I don't get lynched tonight I'll be voting for you tomorrow.

Uhh why? And why are you voting for Bey anyway?

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> Leesifer
2) cappuccino -> beyelzu
3) Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
4) Julie -> beyelzu
5) Leesifer -> beyelzu
6) NC Kev -> beyelzu
7) Sock Puppet -> godfry n. glad
8) balluga
9) MonCapitan2002 -> beyelzu
10) Nightson
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams
13) Adam
14) godfry n. glad
15) TomJoe -> beyelzu
16) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 6
Moncapitan2002 - 2
Nightson - 1
godfry n. glad - 1
Leesifer - 1

[Nightson]

unvote, capp

im buying your explanation currently, but im still kind of suspicious of you.

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

im going to throw a vote on balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

I think you're trying too hard. That makes me suspicious.

vote beyelzu

I'd like this vte explained too.

[Leesifer]

I only have the desire to see you hung as the mafioso you are, bey. And Ensign stuck up for you straight off! So you are both mafia to me at the moment.

/me the Townie feels a bit alone at the moment.

Does nobody else agree with my suspicions?

[Joshua Adams]

Why shouldn't Ensign Steve "stick up" for bey? To wit, why shouldn't she note the lack of cogency in arguments against bey?
ETA: It'd be a terrible idea for Ensign Steve to stick up for a mafia partner who is at 8 votes. That'd look suspicious as fuck all in the morning, when her buddy was identified as a mafia. So I don't think that scenario bears close scrutiny.

It's you who are on my radar for the moment, Lees. You've been very aggressive and gung-ho, yourself, even while accusing Nightson and bey of those behaviors, respectively.

[Nightson]

I only have the desire to see you hung as the mafioso you are, bey. And Ensign stuck up for you straight off! So you are both mafia to me at the moment.

* Leesifer the Townie feels a bit alone at the moment.

Does nobody else agree with my suspicions?

If Bey were to come up mafia, then it could be as simple as Steve thinking he's innocent. Mafia in general try to avoid things like sticking up for a teammate right before they die, so it can't really be used as an indicator of guilt. (Hell, in the second(?) WW game Mad Zur really tossed his team mate under the bus and we all trusted him and it ended up costing us the game. Spenser used it in the last game too)

[Leesifer]

I am a townie. I'll stick with my vote for bey as it stands.
It's you who are on my radar for the moment, Lees. You've been very aggressive and gung-ho, yourself, even while accusing Nightson and bey of those behaviors, respectively.

I don't think I've been gung-ho at all Joshua. I certainly didn't mean to.

[Joshua Adams]

I don't think I've been gung-ho at all Joshua. I certainly didn't mean to.Wait, can we clarify our meanings here? I was taking "gung-ho" to mean like pushy or something. Since you kept on Nightson for several posts over his tril votes, for instance.

However, beyelzu was acting differently than that. He was throwing his vote out to various people just to get a reaction (I think), or without having really strong suspicions. This would probably be described as wishy-washy in the "standard" nomenclature.

[cappuccino]

I only have the desire to see you hung as the mafioso you are, bey. And Ensign stuck up for you straight off! So you are both mafia to me at the moment.

* Leesifer the Townie feels a bit alone at the moment.

Does nobody else agree with my suspicions?


You're not alone. To me, standing up for bey when he was so close to being lynched is awfully suspicious to me. Ensign, it sounded like you were trying too hard to defend bey.

But on the other hand, you're a total newbie and I just can't see you actually willing to stand up for bey if you were mafia. That'd take a lot of guts, something n00bies have little in abundance. Maybe you're just feeling that bey should be given a chance because he's an experienced player.

Or you're both mafiosos.

Argh, too many variables to consider, my head's starting to spin.

[Leesifer]

I also didn't mean to come across as aggressive. Apologies.

I was fairly quiet in the first game on :ff: I thought, perhaps, I'd be more active this time.

[Joshua Adams]

I just wanted to know what you mean by gung-ho. It seems pretty clear to me that I interpretted the word differently, unless we have wildly different perceptions of bey's behavior.

[Adam]

Dammit, bey, why you always gotta have that inscrutable thing going on? I can't think of a scenario where it makes sense for you to vote for yourself if you have a special role, but I also can't think of a scenario where it makes sense for you to vote for yourself if you don't have a special role, so I'm down to the point where I think you'd do the same thing regardless of your role.

Lees, what's the deal with the promise to lynch ES tomorrow? It seemed sort of overly aggressive to me. I have half a suspicion (OK, maybe a quarter suspicion) that you're both scum and you're trying to be publicly seen accusing her.

[Leesifer]

Adam, my deal with lynching ES was because I though she was sticking up for bey too much. No other reason.

[TomJoe]

unvote, capp

im buying your explanation currently, but im still kind of suspicious of you.

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

im going to throw a vote on balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

I think you're trying too hard. That makes me suspicious.

vote beyelzu

I'd like this vte explained too.

Sure. Capp makes a couple of comments and suddenly bey has this strange feeling about him, to the point of fingering capp as mafia? And then capp makes a single post in explanation, enough for bey to sorta drop the entire episode. Of course, he jumps right onto another bandwagon, fingering balluga.

To me, it seems like bey was trying to muddy the waters somewhat, so that when push comes to shove, he can point back to this early episode and say "See? I suspected capp from the very beginning."

It's simply too early to be that overanalytical IMO. Is that explained to your satisfaction Nightson?

[TomJoe]

bey is quite the suave gentleman. The likehood of him being Mafia again is 1/16 assuming vm used a random assignment so it's entirely possible he's not mafia but he's not helping the town one bit.

Actually, it's 3/16 since there are 3 mafia. There is also a traitor, who can kill a townie, meaning there is a 25% chance he was chosen as mafia or related to the mafia.

[Leesifer]

Well, I'm off to bed now. :ciao:

[MonCapitan2002]

You know? Leesifer's aggressiveness has me suspicious that she might be scum. I am changing my vote. Unvote - Vote: Leesifer

[TomJoe]

You know? Leesifer's aggressiveness has me suspicious that she might be scum. I am changing my vote. Unvote - Vote: Leesifer

Being aggressive is the last thing mafia would want to be. It draws too much attention. So does changing their vote all the time *ahem* MonCap *ahem*.

[MonCapitan2002]

I changed my vote only once. To claim that I am constantly changing my vote would be inaccurate. I happen to think she is trying to redirect suspicion by casting it on others.

[Nightson]

Sure. Capp makes a couple of comments and suddenly bey has this strange feeling about him, to the point of fingering capp as mafia? And then capp makes a single post in explanation, enough for bey to sorta drop the entire episode. Of course, he jumps right onto another bandwagon, fingering balluga.

To me, it seems like bey was trying to muddy the waters somewhat, so that when push comes to shove, he can point back to this early episode and say "See? I suspected capp from the very beginning."

It's simply too early to be that overanalytical IMO. Is that explained to your satisfaction Nightson?

The answer I expected, I sensed you had actual reasons behind your vote, but I still had to ask.

[TomJoe]

I changed my vote only once. To claim that I am constantly changing my vote would be inaccurate. I happen to think she is trying to redirect suspicion by casting it on others.

You're right. Just went back and checked. You voted for bey, you retracted it and voted for Leesifer. I stand corrected, my apologies.

I don't see why Leesifer would be trying to redirect suspicion. Redirect it from whom? Bey? Isn't she accusing him? There is no other substantial bandwagon to redirect blame from. To act that overly aggressive at this point is begging to either be lynched next if bey is actually a townie, get killed by the vigilante or be investigated by the cop. Though, to be honest ... if she is a townie, she's going to make a mess of it for the rest of us in our attempts to smoke out the mobsters.

[TomJoe]

The answer I expected, I sensed you had actual reasons behind your vote, but I still had to ask.

Yah, you're right, I should have been a bit more thorough in my posts. Talking things out is the only way we'll all be able to make informed votes.

[MonCapitan2002]

Which I think is the point. She seems to be deliberately stirring the pot with her interactions with Beyelzu. I can't help but think it suspicious. It might turn out my suspicions are wrong, but I have a hunch that there is something hinky about her attitude towards beyelzu.

[Nightson]

Being aggressive is the last thing mafia would want to be.

Then logically it would be exactly what they'd want to be. Wine in front of me and all that.

[MonCapitan2002]

If the mafia are smart about how they use their aggression, it can probably be quite effective in the early rounds. There are far more townies than there are scum. If they can unnerve us enough to wildly cast suspicion on innocents they can keep us off-balance.

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 9 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

1) beyelzu -> Leesifer
2) cappuccino -> beyelzu
3) Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
4) Julie -> beyelzu
5) Leesifer -> beyelzu
6) NC Kev -> beyelzu
7) Sock Puppet -> godfry n. glad
8) balluga
9) MonCapitan2002 -> Leesifer
10) Nightson
11) slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
12) Joshua Adams
13) Adam
14) godfry n. glad
15) TomJoe -> beyelzu
16) trillian -> Nightson

Total votes for:
beyelzu - 5
Moncapitan2002 - 2
Nightson - 1
godfry n. glad - 1
Leesifer - 2

[TomJoe]

Being aggressive is the last thing mafia would want to be.

Then logically it would be exactly what they'd want to be. Wine in front of me and all that.

Perhaps, but that approach carries more risk with it I would think. In the games I've seen, the more aggressive players were ousted very early. It just seems too risky a move.

[beyelzu]

Dammit, bey, why you always gotta have that inscrutable thing going on? I can't think of a scenario where it makes sense for you to vote for yourself if you have a special role, but I also can't think of a scenario where it makes sense for you to vote for yourself if you don't have a special role, so I'm down to the point where I think you'd do the same thing regardless of your role.

in truth adam, i probably would have done the same thing no matter what role i had. lets call it beyesque if you. i play this game balls to the wall.

[MonCapitan2002]

Your balls must really hurt after being slammed into the wall so many times then. :giggles:

[beyelzu]

unvote, capp

im buying your explanation currently, but im still kind of suspicious of you.

i dont think mon capitan is evil guys, we should try to think more and shift the vote around in order to try to get a better read on people

im going to throw a vote on balluga

it would be in the mafia's best interest to get trill lynched on the first day.

I think you're trying too hard. That makes me suspicious.

vote beyelzu

I'd like this vte explained too.

Sure. Capp makes a couple of comments and suddenly bey has this strange feeling about him, to the point of fingering capp as mafia? And then capp makes a single post in explanation, enough for bey to sorta drop the entire episode. Of course, he jumps right onto another bandwagon, fingering balluga.

To me, it seems like bey was trying to muddy the waters somewhat, so that when push comes to shove, he can point back to this early episode and say "See? I suspected capp from the very beginning."

It's simply too early to be that overanalytical IMO. Is that explained to your satisfaction Nightson?

goddamn, thats rough, tomjoe, i wanted a response to a falseness i saw or at least thought i saw in capp's post, he answered, then i voted balluga, to see what he had to say.

thats what early votes on day one are used for. oh and ps, a bandwagon isnt one fucking vote.

[TomJoe]

goddamn, thats rough, tomjoe, i wanted a response to a falseness i saw or at least thought i saw in capp's post, he answered, then i voted balluga, to see what he had to say.

thats what early votes on day one are used for. oh and ps, a bandwagon isnt one fucking vote.

Boo fucking hoo bey, we all have our reasons for voting. You don't like mine? Too bad. Balls to the wall and all that baby. ;)

I don't particularly think voting for someone is going to elicit anything meaningful this early in the game. So you vote for them and await their response, and what? If they proclaim innocence, it's a tell. If they avoid answering, it's a tell. If they admit to being mob, they're stupid.

And every bandwagon starts with a single vote, right?

[beyelzu]

then i guess there is no point in trying to figure anything out at all.

tomjoe, you know how liv pegged you in game one?

your replies to her rang false, clutch's accusations of joshua adams i assume rang false as well.

thats how i pegged coas in ww8 as well.

thats what works. and keep in mind i unvoted capp, i didnt declare him innocent. i just thought i would move to other targets i had in mind to see there responses. townies have only one power in this game and thats the vote. using the vote to elicit information is the way to go. its all we have.

boo fucking who indeed.

[beyelzu]

Informal. A cause or party that attracts increasing numbers of adherents: young voters climbing aboard the party's bandwagon.
Informal. A current trend: “Even brand-name [drug] companies... have jumped on the generics bandwagon” (Beth Howard).
from dictionary.com

jumping on a bandwagon requires that there actually be other motherfuckers voting for the person, thats just how it works.

i dont make the definitions i just point them out.

[TomJoe]

fuck you

:roffle:

Stop being such a weiner bey.

Would it make you feel better if I went back and edited my post to read that I suspect you tried to start another bandwagon? Would that make you happy?

Baby want a bottle? A big dirt bottle?!?!

[beyelzu]

vm will you modkill me pleaes, i dont feel like playing in this game.

i will be up for the next one of course.

[beyelzu]

unvote, vote beyelzu

[Joshua Adams]

At the moment, bey seems pretty sincere to me. Of course, he's played us and II once each.

Does anyone have any ideas about the voting records on bey and Spenser (who also garnered a substantial bandwagon)?

Adam............................TomJoe(14), Spenser(18), unvote
balluga.........................trillian(3), unvote(25)
beyelzu.........................cappuccino(7), balluga(12), NC Kev(32), beyelzu(33), Leesifer(36)
cappuccino......................balluga(23), unvote(27), beyelzu(30)
Ensign Steve....................MonCapitan2002(11)
godfry n. glad..................Spenser(15), unvote, Julie(29), unvote(31)
Joshua Adams....................beyelzu(1), unvote(35)
Julie...........................beyelzu(28)
Leesifer........................Nightson(16), Spenser(19), unvote, Nightson(21), beyelzu(34)
MonCapitan2002..................beyelzu(2), Leesifer(37)
NC Kev..........................beyelzu(8), Spenser(20), unvote, beyelzu(26)
Nightson........................trillian(4), MonCapitan2002(10), unvote(13)
slimshady2357...................MonCapitan2002(5)
Sock Puppet.....................MonCapitan2002(6), godfry n. glad(22)
Spenser
TomJoe..........................Spenser(17), unvote, beyelzu(24)
trillian........................Nightson(9)
note: numbers denote the order; the unvotes with no number are the result of Spenser's mod kill, which occurred at about 20-21 votes in.


EDIT: Well I missed that shit.

[TomJoe]

tomjoe, you know how liv pegged you in game one?

your replies to her rang false


Wrong. I asked her specifically. She said it was due to my lack of early involvement in the thread. Specifically my two word initial post. Yah, it sucks she nailed me on my first post, but it was what it was.

[beyelzu]

goddamn, thats rough, tomjoe, i wanted a response to a falseness i saw or at least thought i saw in capp's post, he answered, then i voted balluga, to see what he had to say.

thats what early votes on day one are used for. oh and ps, a bandwagon isnt one fucking vote.

Boo fucking hoo bey, we all have our reasons for voting. You don't like mine? Too bad. Balls to the wall and all that baby. ;)

I don't particularly think voting for someone is going to elicit anything meaningful this early in the game. So you vote for them and await their response, and what? If they proclaim innocence, it's a tell. If they avoid answering, it's a tell. If they admit to being mob, they're stupid.

And every bandwagon starts with a single vote, right?
as an aside, this is my last post in this thread, when someone is an ass to me i respond in scorched earth fashion, currently i am resisting the urge.

[MonCapitan2002]

vm will you modkill me pleaes, i dont feel like playing in this game.

i will be up for the next one of course.
I would you rather not be mod-killed. Your interactions with the others makes this game interesting.

[viscousmemories]

A mighty clap of thunder, a flash of lightning, yada yada yada.

Beyelzu, the innocent townie, is dead. Fried like a Brazilian banana.

[TomJoe]

as an aside, this is my last post in this thread, when someone is an ass to me i respond in scorched earth fashion, currently i am resisting the urge.

When I'm an ass to you?

Here is your first reply to me after I posted my reason for voting for you.

what the fuck does that mean anyway?

bandwagon much tomjoe?

And you want to get on my case for saying "Boo fucking hoo"? Stop being a sissy and just play already.

[viscousmemories]

Anyone else want to die? If not, on with the show...

[TomJoe]

Anyone else want to die? If not, on with the show...

I'm considering it. This game has pretty much gone from "Interesting" to "No Fun At All" in no time flat.

[TomJoe]

I'm going to bed. Whatever happens happens at this point.

I have no clues any longer.

[viscousmemories]

Current Tally - 8 Votes needed to Lynch

PlayerX {voted for} PlayerY

cappuccino
Ensign Steve -> Moncapitan2002
Julie
Leesifer
NC Kev
Sock Puppet -> godfry n. glad
balluga
MonCapitan2002 -> Leesifer
Nightson
slimshady2357 -> Moncapitan2002
Joshua Adams
Adam
godfry n. glad
TomJoe
trillian -> Nightson

Spenser (townie) - mod killed, day 1
beyelzu (townie)- mod killed, day 1

Total votes for:

Moncapitan2002 - 2
Nightson - 1
godfry n. glad - 1
Leesifer - 1

[MonCapitan2002]

Well this game got cold quickly. We lost two townies in one day. The scum already have an edge and they haven't even made a move.

[godfry n. glad]

Damn, folks. It's a game. :glare:

That brings it down to what...?

3 mafia and a traitor

vs.

12 townies, including the vigilante, sheriff and doctor.

It still takes nine votes to garner that first lynching.

So far, we have successfully threatened two townies. One who did too little and one who did too much. "Tells" are bullshit.

The mafia can kill whomever they want at night, they just need to stay out of the lynch-mob's noose.

It befuddles me as to why anyone would ever give out their true status, other than to claim being a "townie". Lying is a prerequisite for this game. Everybody is a "townie". That is our role, is to look like, act like and smell like a "townie"...Problem is, we don't know what the town is and why we'd all the sudden start stringing up folks.

It seems a bit...rash.

Others seem to think that is how the game is played. Elimination of suspicious characters. Quickly, so that some 'real data' can be generated.

I would say that there are players who have played and those who have not. The mafia mob wants to act to end the day, so as to off another known townie under the darkness of night. They just need, in this case, five other townies to vote for some other townie (which they all know).

The townies have to figure out who they really are. Note that when there is a bandwagon, it plays to the mafia's agenda. Once there are five townies, they could issue a coup de grace as a group, but that would, of course, out them to everybody. So... I'd say the mafia would say close and watch where a townie got like three votes and then add one of theirs. Wait for another townie, and add one, maybe two, and wait for the bandwagon to push them over the top.

Note that the "kill" was never completed on beyelzu. There were eight votes, one short of the necessary count. Does the mafia steer away from the "kill" vote, or not? My assumption is that all three mafia, or at least two mafia and the traitor, were in on the vote to lynch beyelzu.

Of course, discussing it like this means it won't be utilized...and on into WIFOY.

There still is an agenda of the mafia to move the game at a faster pace. It's in the townies interest to consider carefully.

Consider that in "considering carefully" already, we have eliminated two townies and the mafia