Update on Chris

[Noodlenader]

I write this as tears are streaming down my face and can't catch my breath.

Chris was sentenced to the max inprisonment time of 9 months. He's spending the next two weeks in Teller Co. (about an hour away from CoSp) and then he'll be in Mirimar, San Diego for the remainder of the time..

I dont have an address yet, I'm expecting to wait a few days until he can write me with the addy. I know for damn sure I'm going to see him as often as possible while he's still relatively close by, and if anyone would like to come with me, you know my ##(or can PM me for it)

But for now, I want to stomp around, cry, punch something, then fall on our empty bed and cry myself to sleep. Someone kill me now. :fuming:

[livius drusus]

Oh fuck. Shit Jamie that's horrible. I'm so sorry. Fuck.

[viscousmemories]

I'm so sorry, Jamie. :hug:

Please give Chris my best and definitely get an address for us. :(

[LadyShea]

I'm sorry Jamie.

[freemonkey]

I'm sorry, Jamie, that sucks. Do you have any friends or family nearby? :hug:

[Scotty]

This too will pass.

very sad, but not the end of the world.

-Scott

[viscousmemories]

Some background on this thread is here (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=936) for anyone who might not have made the connection.

[Noodlenader]

Thanks everyone. I know he appreciates it.. I do too

and yes I have my roommate(best friend) and my mom in Denver...

it's going to be weird sleeping without him tonight.. and I don't know how kosher it would be sleeping cuddled up with my roommate :(

[LadyXoc]

:( :( :( :(

[Roland98]

Fuck. I'm sorry for both of you. :(

[Noodlenader]

Oh- and the best part! Chris and the ashole who turned him in, have to ride up to jail in the same van. That's two hours Chris is spending in a van, with an immature little snitch he wants to kill.

[Cool Hand]

Jamie,

Sorry to hear that Chris got maxed out. Frankly, although I was holding out hope for a lesser sentence, I'm not surprised. The military as a whole does not take well to drug distribution, possession, or use. As it was likely that a majority of his court-martial panel would be made of career military persons, they most likely do not use illicit drugs and do not understand why anyone on active duty would, given the enormous risk to one's career and liberty.

Anyway, I empathize with your sense of hurt and loss as much as I can. I've never been in your shoes, so I cannot sympathize. I do wish Chris the best, and you as well while you are handling the forced separation from him.

Please let us know how he is doing if you feel like sharing it with us.

Cool Hand

[Noodlenader]

I got to talk to Chris soon after the court-martial was over. He's definitely taking all this like a man, like it wasn't even affecting him. There I was on the phone- crying, begging him not to hang up the phone. Knowing him, this whole "situation" is gonna hit him really hard in about a week.

I'm feeling a little better.. I gave his best friend Tina a call and we were on the phone for over an hour. She lives in San Fernadino-area and offered to house me and Andy (roommate) when we visit. It was really catharic talking to this woman, talking about all the things we love about Chris and the cute little shit he does.. We talked about our relationship and how thankful she is that we're together. I wholehertedly agree with her, I know Chris and I are a splendid pair. She started calling me her Sister-in-law and I got teary-eyed again.

I informed her about the "truth" behind the charges, they were exaggerated and not wholly true - especially the distribution charge. The "Other guy" in the case did everything Chris did plus more, and he got four months in a county jail. The guy made exaggerations and misrepresentations about the situation and basically got Chris in a LOT more trouble than he ever should have been. And after over eight months of being under investigations, having OSI agents follow us around, and legal being complete morons, Chris gets pegged with a very unfair sentence(all things considered)

I know Chris didn't go into much detail with you guys, but I felt there were a few things that needed to be cleared up.

I'm sure I'll add more to this tomorrow, but for now I'm exhausted. Thanks again everyone :)

[viscousmemories]

Thanks for the update, Jamie. I'm glad you're feeling a little better tonight. :)

[LadyShea]

I am glad you had/have Tina to talk with, and ohwillike gave you some sound advice on your II thread, and you have all of us.

Hang in as best you can. :sadcheer:

[beyelzu]

wish there was something I could do to help.

:(

[wade-w]

I know that 9 months seems like forever right now. This it may sound trite, but if you just take it one day at a time, it'll be over before you know it.

[Dingfod]

:(

[Godless Dave]

I don't want to offer false hope or ignorant suggestions when you are (understandably) upset, so maybe skip this post and come back to it in a few weeks.

Is there any chance of him getting out early for good behavior? (I know very little about the military justice system).

Is there any chance of convincing someone to bring charges against the other guy for lying to investigators or committing perjury?

[Lauri D]

(((((((Jamie)))))))

Will Chris be able to have non-family visitors when he is in San Diego? If so I'll definitely visit before I move.

This sucks.

[maddog]

(((((((Jamie)))))))

Will Chris be able to have non-family visitors when he is in San Diego? If so I'll definitely visit before I move.

This sucks.Ditto. If visitors are allowed, I will be there. (And I'm not moving (lauri: ;)) so I'll be within striking distance for as long as he's there.)
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[AspenMama]

I'm thinking of you both!

Is too soon to begin planning the welcome home bash? ;)

Keep your chin up, Girl!

[Socratoad]

If non-family visitors are allowed it will be the first time in military history :(
Even family visits are usually only restricted to one member, and then not frequently.
But please check it out. Rules change.

[xorbie]

I can't even begin to understand what exactly you're going through, but I'm sorry to hear it. :(

[Noodlenader]

I just talked to Chris, he's allowed to collect-call me from jail.. I got his mailing addy, and visitation is Mon, Wed, Sat, Sun from 1-4 & 7-9

Chris Loflin
Teller County Jail
PO Box 730
Divide, CO 80814

I'm just really happy that all contact wasn't cut off. IT's really reassuring that I know he's only an hour away, four days a week.. for at least the next two weeks. I know it will mean SO much to get letters from his friends, knowing we all love and support him through this asinine injustice.

[viscousmemories]

Awesome. I'm really glad to hear that Jamie. :)

[Noodlenader]

I don't want to offer false hope or ignorant suggestions when you are (understandably) upset, so maybe skip this post and come back to it in a few weeks.

Is there any chance of him getting out early for good behavior? (I know very little about the military justice system).

Is there any chance of convincing someone to bring charges against the other guy for lying to investigators or committing perjury?

Yes to both! Firstly, inmates get five days knocked off for every month of good behavior. :D

Secondly, kinda yes..The charges were already finalized and the sentences are being served.. BUT There is something called clemency, and from what I understand.. To everyone who can: can write a letter to the judge asking for leniency for x,y,z reasons (I have plenty of reasons and examples if anyone is feeling un-creative). I know this won't get the "other guy" in for longer, but if enough people write clemency letters, I have a good feeling that he'll be out in a much shorter amount of time. Once I get more information about that, I know you guys will let your voices about this injustice be heard!

I know Chris is so infinitely proud of everyone's support :squeeze: :squeeze: :squeeze:

[Petra]

Some background on this thread is here (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=936) for anyone who might not have made the connection.

Thanks. For a while there, I was wondering who the hell Chris is, and what the hells' going on?! (Sorry, but I'm crap with names and haven't read the Watering Hole since before the election, so I'm outta touch :blush: )

Bummer to hear about that. It's a hard lesson to learn. :(

I'll send a postcard to him from NZ. :yup:

[livius drusus]

Hey Jamie, you wouldn't happen to know if we can send care packages, would you? I mean, assuming we refrain from including nail files or switchblades.

[Noodlenader]

What kind of stuff will be in there? I will call the jail and ask when I know what'll be included.

He asked specifically for pictures. Not dirty ones though... nature, animals, people, etc. Beth and Lauri (and anyone else he talked to), self-portraits would be wonderful too ;)

[livius drusus]

I was thinking a book and a certain ballpoint pen I found that would be perfect for him. Do they allow potential spitball artillery in the care packages?

[Lauri D]

I'm so glad to hear you'll be able to visit while he's still in CO, Jamie.

Dropping a letter in the mail today. :)

[Noodlenader]

Books are allowed to be sent, but when Chris leaves they have to be "donated" to the jail. No pens though, inmates are only allowed to use pencils..

[livius drusus]

Donated?! Pencils?! Oh poop. Okey dokey, then. I guess I'll just stick with good ol' fashioned letters.

[Noodlenader]

You can always mail them to our house and they will be here when he gets out :) heh

[seebs]

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=1962770#post1962770

Oh, look! A happy birthday thread for him!

[Shake]

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=1962770#post1962770

Oh, look! A happy birthday thread for him!
Oops! I just posted that link in the other thread here. Oh well, can't hurt I guess. That was very nice of you seebs!

[livius drusus]

I can't believe you started it there when we have so many better smilies here. :cryhome:

[JoeP]

Jamie & Chris, I'm so sorry to hear this. How long is that Teller mailing address valid? I can't see it atm but I thought I read he was moving somewhere else soon.

joe

[Noodlenader]

Jamie & Chris, I'm so sorry to hear this. How long is that Teller mailing address valid? I can't see it atm but I thought I read he was moving somewhere else soon.

joe

The Teller County addy will be good for at least the next week. I have a good feeling he'll be here for the duration of his time, as driving/flying him out to San Diego for seven months would be a huge waste of money :) If the address is no longer valid, I will definitely update this if I hear anything..

[Dingfod]

I received a letter from Chris today. He and Jeff, who was the finger-pointer, are in the same "pod" at the jail. They have patched things up, apparently the investigators played them against each other, had no concrete evidence, got confessions out of both of them... bad deal for them, another feather in the prosecutor's cap. Chris says jail isn't that bad, just has had to slow down, realizing even 9 months is a long time. Chris thinks he will still get paid, because forfeiture of pay wasn't spelled out in his sentencing. Chris thinks so because Jeff has received his pay since going to jail, maybe Chris will too. Chris looks forward to his release and the termination of his military service.

I'm going to write him back soon. Anyone want anything relayed to him?

[JoeP]

Say that we're thinking of him.

[livius drusus]

Tell him that he's going to get a bunch of reading material from me soon. I assume you've already told him we miss him around here, but if you haven't, please do.

:nil:

[Noodlenader]

The Teller County address is no longer valid. I met with Chris and two goons from his squadron at the airport this morning. ALL his pay is forfeited, and the AF will be garnishing his re-enlistment bonus from all future paychecks. That bonus was $7k.

OH- and if anyone goes to the brig on Lackland AFB in TX , say "hello" to my significant other for me. :sadeyes: :no2: :sadeyes: :no2: :sadeyes: :no2:

[Dingfod]

Damn. I just don't know what to say. Shit. Fuck. Damn, that sucks. Ruinating his life, they are. If you find out an address let us know.

[livius drusus]

That's awful, Jamie. I'm so sorry. Please do post his addy as soon as you have it. :hug:

[Dingfod]

I just thought about how insensitive I was toward you. I'm sorry.

Hugs for Noodlenader:
{{{{Noodlenader}}}}

[Noodlenader]

Another thing: I hate the military. They treated us so well before this stuff happened, now it's just a huge shit-storm and they don't ever quit.

The worst part was being stared at by those two guys, they wouldn't let Chris more than five feet away from 'em. Gah, it's not like we were gonna run away and hide-Airports are very open :glare: That was pretty obnoxious as I was trying to hug/kiss on him, because they were just staring at me, telling us to hurry up.

Helen (if you're reading this thread) and Warren: Thanks ;)

[viscousmemories]

Dammit. Procrastination got the best of me. :(

Tell Chris I'm sorry I haven't written, and I hope you get a new address soon. I hope you're hanging in there Jamie. :yup:

[Shake]

Yup. I was going to also say to hang in there.

*looks back at when the thread was started*

Hey! One month down, right?

(((Noodle)))

[Noodlenader]

Its been almost six weeks. :sadcheer: This isn't so bad... I just miss my Chris :(

[Dingfod]

Only four months or so left now?

/me offers hugs to noodlenader and chris too.

[HelenM]

Its been almost six weeks. :sadcheer: This isn't so bad... I just miss my Chris :(

I'm sure you do :( I'm sure he misses you very much too.

No new address yet?

Helen

[Noodlenader]

There are still about 6.5 months left (without clememcy) :(:(:( And no new addy; I haven't received a letter from Chris in like ten days! Hopefully today I will.

[Shake]

To repeat Helen's question, "No new address yet?"

Also, do you ever get to talk to him by phone? Can he make calls out? I may have something for you, if so. I'll PM later with details.

[Noodlenader]

No new addy yet, like I mentioned I haven't heard anything from him in a couple weeks.

No calls yet either- the only times he's able to call out are from 1700-1900, hours which I am ALWAYS at work. I asked Shirt (1st Sergeant) to tell him to write me lots of love letters though ;) Since we won't really be able to talk. Heheh I <3 Shirty-poo :) :)

[Noodlenader]

YAY! I finally got an address!

AB Christopher Loflin
PSC 71080
APO 110 Box 10
37 SFS 391510
Lackland AFB, TX 78236-9010

Oh and I won't be able to get phone calls- PERIOD.The only people who can talk to him are Shirt and the Lt Col. How depressing is that?? :(:(

[viscousmemories]

No phone calls really sucks. It seems unconstitutional or something...

Sorry to hear it, Jamie. :(

[Noodlenader]

/noodlenader kicks the military "justice" system in the balls. :glare:

[viscousmemories]

Try using "/me" instead. Like so:

/me kicks the military "justice" system in the balls. :glare:

[livius drusus]

Can you call him, Jamie?

[Noodlenader]

Can you call him, Jamie?

/me is not allowed to have any sort of contact with Chris besides letters. :whup:

[livius drusus]

What total horseshit. :bull: Can we send care packages?

[Noodlenader]

YES! This time you can :) Books, magazines, CD's(w/o parental advisory), a discman, etc.. Just no food, porn or naughty CD's.

[livius drusus]

:woohoo: Damn shame about the porn thing, but still, I've had a book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743227506/qid=1103598830/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8611658-6521763?v=glance&s=books) here waiting for him for ages.

[The Lone Ranger]

Can you call him, Jamie?

* Noodlenader is not allowed to have any sort of contact with Chris besides letters. :whup:

That seems ridiculous to me!

Could he call an . . . ahem . . . sympathetic third party who just happens to have an answering machine and leave a nice long message that could then be passed on?

Best wishes,

Michael

[Noodlenader]

:woohoo: Damn shame about the porn thing, but still, I've had a book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743227506/qid=1103598830/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8611658-6521763?v=glance&s=books) here waiting for him for ages.

Okay, that book looks awesome! We have a ferret, so I know he'd get a kick out of Superhero Ferrets(tm)!


The Lone Ranger, the only sympathetic third party I can think of is his 1sgt-- She's a cancer(like me :D) and she said that even though she knew him professionally, he was a wonderful man and she'd miss him dearly too. In order to talk to Chris I'd have to be escorted onto the AF base(25 miles away) to talk to him between the hours of 1700 and 1900. This is totally cruel and unusual, and definitely uncalled-for. :sadcheer:

[freemonkey]

Hey, Noodlenader, what kind of books does he like to read? I may have some to let go, if he's interested.

[Noodlenader]

Hey, Noodlenader, what kind of books does he like to read? I may have some to let go, if he's interested.

He loves nonfiction about psychology, physics, math, etc

and fiction, basically everything. He'll learn to like anything in jail :P

[seebs]

Books, you say?

So, if I send books to that address, he'll get 'em? If so, I'd better get some stuff together and wander over to the post office tomorrow!

[lady cop]

Hi..i don't know Chris or why he is in jail, but i do know the holidays are particularly hard for those incarcerated and their loved ones...i hope he gets many encouraging and loving cards from all the people here who obviously care about him. happy Christmas to all concerned...sincerely, L.

[Noodlenader]

Thanks, Lady Cop! It's especially hard this time because he's incarcerated for not only his birthday, but also our aniversary. Lots of love and happiness is in the mail for Chris right now :)

[livius drusus]

Is that you, Nil?! :bigglomp:

[HelenM]

YAY! I finally got an address!

AB Christopher Loflin
PSC 71080
APO 110 Box 10
37 SFS 391510
Lackland AFB, TX 78236-9010

Wow - does that address have enough numbers in it, or what? :eek:

Jamie, any updates on Chris? Have you heard from him lately?

Helen

[Shake]

YAY! I finally got an address!

AB Christopher Loflin
PSC 71080
APO 110 Box 10
37 SFS 391510
Lackland AFB, TX 78236-9010

Wow - does that address have enough numbers in it, or what? :eek:

Jamie, any updates on Chris? Have you heard from him lately?

Helen
That's the military for ya -- either lots of non-sensical numbers or acronyms ... or both! :eek:

But watch out when they start using embedded acronyms!

[Noodlenader]

YAY! I finally got an address!

AB Christopher Loflin
PSC 71080
APO 110 Box 10
37 SFS 391510
Lackland AFB, TX 78236-9010

Wow - does that address have enough numbers in it, or what? :eek:

Jamie, any updates on Chris? Have you heard from him lately?

Helen
Yeah guys I have heard from him. I usually get thee letters in the mail on saturdays. We get to talk once a week, for fifteen minutes total, but at least it's better than nothing. PS: Thanks to whomever sent the books!! <3

[livius drusus]

YAY! I finally got an address!

AB Christopher Loflin
PSC 71080
APO 110 Box 10
37 SFS 391510
Lackland AFB, TX 78236-9010

Just a wee bump because I finally managed to get my shit together and ship it to him. Um... I meant that metaphorically. I did not actually collect my feces and send it to the above address; just a bunch of magazines, a book, a ferret pen, and a color printout of his bday thread (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1010) and a chatty letter.

Noodlenader, do you know if they go through his stuff or censor things? Most of the mags I sent him were Fortean Times which is a totally fabulous read about unusual/so-called paranormal phenomena. There are some shady ads in the back though, like for British head shops and whatnot. I'm wondering if someone will go through the magazines with a fine-toothed comb and keep them from him because of those kinds of things.

[Gurdur]

Just wishing you both all the best, Jamie.

[Nil Desperandum]

I'm doing great, everyone. Thank Jamie with all of your love for her undying support, devotion, and love. She is my all, my everything, my angel. Any man would be lucky to have her, and *I* do.

Yes, this is Chris, but only for this once.

I am ok. I miss you all.
Please, take care.
Until June...
Nil..
Chris...
One pissed off prisoner.

[Beth]

Hi, sweetie! I miss you. Please take care.

[livius drusus]

:hiya: It's great to see you post, Chris. Come June, you can work on adding some letters to that postcount of yours. Take care of yourself. :hug:

[viscousmemories]

Glad to hear you're doing okay, Chris. :yup:

[Noodlenader]

I <3 my inmate!

*big goofy grin!*

[JoeP]

A post! A post! Roll on June.

[Nil Desperandum]

Yeah, it's me again. I'm doing fantastic. More to come on Wednesday. ;)

[Gurdur]

Good luck, Chris !

[beyelzu]

I look forward to your return/

[Crumb]

Hi, Chris. Whoever you may be.

[justaman]

He recently escaped from prison :)

[Nil Desperandum]

One bad-ass military prisoner. ;)

[Nil Desperandum]

He recently escaped from prison :)

You'd think, with the way I was standing in downtown San Antonio with nothing but a goofy fucking grin on my face, watching traffic and plotting my eventual "release." This isn't the Hilton, but it sure beats a cardboard box. =P

[Crumb]

Uh ok then, well just put the gun away and we can be friends. heh... :sweaty:

[livius drusus]

He's our one-man FF prison penpal program. :hug:, Nil.

(Here's (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=936) some background, Crumb.)

[Nil Desperandum]

He's our one-man FF prison penpal program. :hug:, Nil.

(Here's (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=936) some background, Crumb.)

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I miss you guys. <3

[viscousmemories]

:wave: Heya Nil. Glad you're still kickin' around. :)

[Dingfod]

Hi Chris. Welcome back, sort of. Not sort of welcome, but back, sort of.

I look forward to you being a free man. And BTW, you might want to hang onto that noodlenader, she's a keeper.

[Noodlenader]

:couch: :flasher: hehehehe


Awww, warrenly <3

[Nil Desperandum]

Hi Chris. Welcome back, sort of. Not sort of welcome, but back, sort of.

I look forward to you being a free man. And BTW, you might want to hang onto that noodlenader, she's a keeper.
Yesh. ;)

[HelenM]

Hi Chris :wave:

Helen

[Gurdur]

wb, Chris, and wishing you and Noodlenader all the very best.