Trolls

[Shelli]

Trolls ~ Do you love 'em :hugtroll: ? Hate 'em :fuming: :troll: ? Tolerate 'em :meh: ? Ignore 'em :talkhand: ? Fantasy about 'em :sheepshag: ? What do you think of and how do you deal with trolls? :trollx:

[quiet bear]

I treat them like anyone else. I take them for what they are, and let them do their thing. No skin off my aura.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

I treat them like anyone else. I take them for what they are, and let them do their thing. No skin off my aura.

i agree, though i personally see no trolls here. i have a bigger beef with people who are condescending power-trippers online, but are really losers and nobodies in real life, taking out on others what is done to them in the physical world to get a bit of 'theirs'. these disenfranchised and sad little haters that look a gift-horse in the mouth and shit on the beautiful freedom that could exist online really piss me off. i work on it though.

these are the real trolls, the real destructive force online. they are trying to turn this into the exact same thing that beats them down in the real world. that's not a cool thing to do on a format like this one...

live and let live, right shelli ;)

happy bday btw :)


michael :)

[Dingfod]

I treat them like anyone else. I take them for what they are, and let them do their thing. No skin off my aura.i agree, though i personally see no trolls here.Of course you don't. You measure them against yourself. Since you don't see yourself as a troll, you don't see their trollish behavior.

[lisarea]

I think somebody needs to define troll.

[Dingfod]

Are you calling me a troll?

[lisarea]

You wish.

[Shelli]

Internet Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)

In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of calling others trolls. Often, trolls assume multiple aliases, or sock puppets.

[lisarea]

Internet Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)

That's a pretty sloppy definition.

Before someone edited it out, I was cited by name on that page.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

I treat them like anyone else. I take them for what they are, and let them do their thing. No skin off my aura.i agree, though i personally see no trolls here.Of course you don't. You measure them against yourself. Since you don't see yourself as a troll, you don't see their trollish behavior.


ohhhhhh...that's how that works...


michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

as i said to d. scarlatti- using wikipedia as a reference is fine with me. i will go add my definition to it, quote it and prove you wrong :)

michael :)

[Shelli]

Internet Troll II (http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm) :bait2:

[Shelli]

Internet Troll III (http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp) :trolling:

[D. Scarlatti]

i personally see no trolls here.

"The internet is a mirror." - The Jesus Lawyer

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i personally see no trolls here.

"The internet is a mirror." - The Jesus Lawyer

oh that totally made me crack up :D


michael :)

[lisarea]

Please tell me that I didn't just see appeals to the authority of an AOL user and some kind of holistic health messageboard.

[Shelli]

Please tell me that I didn't just see appeals to the authority of an AOL user and some kind of holistic health messageboard.
huh?

[lisarea]

Please tell me that I didn't just see appeals to the authority of an AOL user and some kind of holistic health messageboard.
huh?

I'm just saying that you're appealing to some dubious authorities there. The wikipedia entry you cited is a very active one. It gets changed a lot, and the introductory definition isn't even consistent with the rest of it.

And then you cited some newbie guide to the internet for AOL users and a random messageboard. These are not authorities. I'm pretty sure I am a more authoritative authority on the subject than either of those, and I'm telling you that those definitions are pretty far off target.

They seem to be defining 'troll' as synonymous with flamebaiting. Is a troll, then, just someone they don't like, or someone who pisses other people off? Why not just use the term 'asshole,' then? People know what that means.

Not all trolling is hostile, and not all internet-based hostility is trolling. Not all trolling is disruptive, and not all internet-based disruption is trolling, either.

ETA: From the second definition of Trolling you cited, here is the first example of a "classic" internet troll (http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=361&i=5126). Is that what you're talking about? Is that trolling?

[Ensign Steve]

I love it when Lisa talks about trolling. :wriggle:

Come on, tell us a story?

[Shelli]

I actually only started this thread in an effort to get people who are getting upset by trolls lately to lighten up and stop letting them bother them. Hence... all the smilies...

Trolls ~ Do you love 'em :hugtroll: ? Hate 'em :fuming: :troll: ? Tolerate 'em :meh: ? Ignore 'em :talkhand: ? Fantasy about 'em :sheepshag: ? What do you think of and how do you deal with trolls? :trollx:

[Ensign Steve]

Who is trolling? It's a serious question. I don't read most new threads here, especially those started by users I don't recognize. Can you give me an example of what you're referring to?

[lisarea]

I actually only started this thread in an effort to get people who are getting upset by trolls lately to lighten up and stop letting them bother them. Hence... all the smilies...

So you were trolling?

[Clutch Munny]

lisa, I have this memory of you posting some pseudo-exchange you'd written, of the sort that could be called trolling, way back when on usenet or somewheres, which were not entirely unfunny. Am I crazy, or right, or both?

[Ensign Steve]

Dude you don't even have to go back that far. Remember like a year ago on II when someone was bitching about kids saying the pledge in foreign languages? That shit was priceless.

[pescifish]

OH yeah... Those foreign languages no one actually ever speaks.

[Clutch Munny]

OMG! I totally forgot that. You made me burst out laughing just by reminding me of that.

[pescifish]

You were a good participant, too. linky! (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=2242928#post2242928)

[Shelli]

Oh, good gawd. No, I was not trolling. I was trying to do someone a favor by starting a thread that would hopefully end up with some good advice on how to deal with trolling.

Fucking forget it. bleh.

[Dingfod]

I actually only started this thread in an effort to get people who are getting upset by trolls lately to lighten up and stop letting them bother them. Hence... all the smilies...

So you were trolling?You are. :D

[lisarea]

lisa, I have this memory of you posting some pseudo-exchange you'd written, of the sort that could be called trolling, way back when on usenet or somewheres, which were not entirely unfunny. Am I crazy, or right, or both?

I don't remember anything, but I really did used to be cited in the Wikipedia entry as a 'notable troll' or something like that before some do-gooder took me out.

And I just don't care for artless hacks all horning in on my territory.

Me and Hank Aaron, man.

[freemonkey]

some good advice on how to deal with trolling.
IMHO, there are two ways to deal with trolls.

1) Don't take the bait, just ignore the troll(s)
2) Take the bait and run with it.

[Dingfod]

I'll take door #2, Monte.

[Dingfod]

#1 has not really been working for me.

[Shelli]

I get the point you were making, Lisa, as I stepped right into it and made it for you. :wink: I didn't realize that you are so passionate about this issue. That's cool. I was honestly just trying to help someone out.

Over and out. :didi:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

hey check it out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll#Trolling_in_different_Internet_media

[Clutch Munny]

lisa, I have this memory of you posting some pseudo-exchange you'd written, of the sort that could be called trolling, way back when on usenet or somewheres, which were not entirely unfunny. Am I crazy, or right, or both?

I don't remember anything, but I really did used to be cited in the Wikipedia entry as a 'notable troll' or something like that before some do-gooder took me out.

And I just don't care for artless hacks all horning in on my territory.

Me and Hank Aaron, man.

No, it was seebs (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6017#post6017). But you were in there high-fiving at your common heritage.

[lady cop]

i've fed the trolls more than once, (mostly cop-haters) i couldn't help myself. but i have since learned to turn the other cheek. or answer in a reasonable way ,and let them rant all alone. they hate that.

[Ensign Steve]

You were a good participant, too. linky! (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=2242928#post2242928)

Yay, I was hoping some resourceful and altruistic person would post that link. Off to do some nostalgic giggling. :giggle:

pesci > :hug: < steve

[D. Scarlatti]

hey check it out...

Check what out?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

well either you took it out or somebody else did...ah well, i thought it was a good definition...

michael :)

[Stormlight]

You were a good participant, too. linky! (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=2242928#post2242928)

:rofl:

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Hmmm, well, I've not had many dealings with trolls since I've been spending most of my foruming time here at the FF. Elsewhere in years past I'd mock them for a little while and then leave them for other forum members to deal with. I now find it more productive to pretty much just ignore them, as in I don't read their posts - not block them. Life's too short to waste time on idiots who crave having people pissed off at them.

[D. Scarlatti]

linky! (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=2242928#post2242928)

That's hilarious.

Okay, how about this:

1) As a verb, the practice of trying to lure other Internet users into sending responses to carefully-designed incorrect statements or similar "bait." In a real example, a Usenet newsgroup contributor mentioned the discovery of an ancient African carving containing a list of prime numbers. The contributor further listed some of the prime numbers found and included some numbers that, in fact, are not prime numbers. Other contributors then sent serious replies, correcting the list of prime numbers cited.

whatis.techtarget (http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci213222,00.html)

They barely treat the noun at all.

[mountain_hare]

99.999 times out of 100, 'Troll' is used to label a minority who put forward an opinion which contradicts the strongly-held beliefs of the mainstream. It amounts to nothing more than an ad-hominem attack.

'Troll' is an arbitrary label used by cowards, who lack the necessary substance to either rebut the opponent's arguments, or merely ignore them out of hand (if the accusation of 'troll' does indeed hold water.)

[D. Scarlatti]

99.999 times out of 100, 'Troll' is used to label a minority who put forward an opinion which contradicts the strongly-held beliefs of the mainstream. It amounts to nothing more than an ad-hominem attack.

Now you're misusing the expression 'ad hominem.'

'Troll' is an arbitrary label used by cowards, who lack the necessary substance to either rebut the opponent's arguments, or merely ignore them out of hand (if the accusation of 'troll' does indeed hold water.)

First of all I don't understand how one requires "necessary substance" to ignore another poster. And your other claim is false, at least to the extent of the one or two people on this board I've referred to (erroneously, perhaps) as "trolls," since they either weren't proffering arguments or else whatever arguments they were proferring were rebutted. Definitively.

That they ignored the rebuttals and continued bleating was what earned them the epithet. Hardly cowardice.

[Dingfod]

(if the accusation of 'troll' does indeed hold water.)Which, I'm going to guess here, doesn't [hold water] about 99.999 times out of 100.

[JoeP]

99.999 times out of 100, 'Troll' is used to label a minority who put forward an opinion which contradicts the strongly-held beliefs of the mainstream. It amounts to nothing more than an ad-hominem attack.
Now you're misusing the expression 'ad hominem.'
Just what you'd expect from mountain_troll.

JOKE!
Ease up people! :glare:
Oh c'mon, it was a cheap shot in the form of an ad hom to poke fun at the whole thread.

[viscousmemories]

well either you took it out or somebody else did...ah well, i thought it was a good definition...
I deleted it. First of all you added it to the section devoted to briefly describing the numerous different Internet media where trolling can occur, but "Free Speech/thought forums" describes a format, not a medium. The medium would be "web forums", and as you can see there's already a "web forums" subheading under the "Trolling in different Internet media" heading. So if your contribution belongs in that entry at all (and as I'll explain below I don't think it does) it would belong as a subheading of "web forums" or somewhere else in the entry altogether.

Secondly, there was the content itself:

Free Speech/thought Forums — The term troll is often used as a strawman argument to sway opinion in debate. It is most often used by those who think and act in the prevailing mood of the forum, as it presents itself through inconsistency of free speech and thought. There can not be a troll in the true sense on a forum that is dedicated to allowing all opinions and styles. A troll on an open forum is a person who seeks to destroy the forum outright, by interfering with the freedom of other memebers.

The term troll is often used as a strawman argument to sway opinion in debate.

This line is poorly worded. A term isn't an argument, strawman or otherwise. What you probably meant to say was something closer to "accusing someone of being a troll or of engaging in trolling is often used as strawman argument". Or more accurately, "accusing someone of being a troll or of engaging in trolling is often used as a red herring" - since the term "strawman argument" (at least as I understand it) doesn't seem to apply.

It is most often used by those who think and act in the prevailing mood of the forum, as it presents itself through inconsistency of free speech and thought.

The first part of this sentence is unargued assertion and the second part is incoherent.

There can not be a troll in the true sense on a forum that is dedicated to allowing all opinions and styles.

First, I have no idea what you meant by the "true sense" of the word 'troll', but if you're going to post on the Wikipedia entry for "Internet Troll" it makes sense to conform to the definition provided there. Of course if you use the definition they provided, it's entirely possible for someone to be a troll on any forum. Secondly, you assume that all "free speech/thought" oriented forums are "dedicated to allowing all opinions and styles", although you know that isn't always the case.

A troll on an open forum is a person who seeks to destroy the forum outright, by interfering with the freedom of other memebers. (sic)

And finally you simply redefine the word to accomodate your own opinion of how a "free speech/thought" forum should be run.

IMO this kind of ad hoc reasoning and editorializing doesn't belong in a Wikipedia entry.

[Beth]

Oh no! I leave Wiki to get away from revert discussions and they end up here!

Did I just troll good enough, everyone?

[JoeP]

Bethy boo, you should edit your post and then we could discuss how it was better before. :D

[Beth]

Oh Joeypoo! I just love it when you talk dirty to me. ;P

[JoeP]

dirty? you're the one who introduced "poo"

[democracy]

The wonderful thing about Tiggers
Is Tiggers are wonderful things
Their tops are made out of rubber
Their bottoms are made out of springs
They're bouncy, trouncy, flouncy, pouncy
Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun
But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers
Is I'm the only one

The wonderful thing about Tiggers
Is Tiggers are wonderful chaps
They're loaded with vim and with vigor
They love to leap in your laps
They're bouncy, trouncy, flouncy pouncy
Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun
But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers
Is I'm the only one

Tiggers are wonderful fellahs
Tiggers are awfully sweet
Everyone elses is jealous
And thats why I repeat
The wonderful thing about Tiggers
Is Tiggers are wonderful things
Their tops are made out of rubber
Their bottoms are made out of springs
They're bouncy, trouncy, flouncy, pouncy
Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun
But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers
Is I'm the only one
Yes, I'm the only one
(Grrrrrr...)

[Shelli]

Whether the person is an attention ho, flame baiter, troll, or just someone who gets under your skin, the extensive ignore features here are superb and if utilized can put that certain someone(s) 99% completely out of sight . :cheerful:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

well either you took it out or somebody else did...ah well, i thought it was a good definition...
I deleted it. First of all you added it to the section devoted to briefly describing the numerous different Internet media where trolling can occur, but "Free Speech/thought forums" describes a format, not a medium. The medium would be "web forums", and as you can see there's already a "web forums" subheading under the "Trolling in different Internet media" heading. So if your contribution belongs in that entry at all (and as I'll explain below I don't think it does) it would belong as a subheading of "web forums" or somewhere else in the entry altogether.

Secondly, there was the content itself:

Free Speech/thought Forums — The term troll is often used as a strawman argument to sway opinion in debate. It is most often used by those who think and act in the prevailing mood of the forum, as it presents itself through inconsistency of free speech and thought. There can not be a troll in the true sense on a forum that is dedicated to allowing all opinions and styles. A troll on an open forum is a person who seeks to destroy the forum outright, by interfering with the freedom of other memebers.

The term troll is often used as a strawman argument to sway opinion in debate.

This line is poorly worded. A term isn't an argument, strawman or otherwise. What you probably meant to say was something closer to "accusing someone of being a troll or of engaging in trolling is often used as strawman argument". Or more accurately, "accusing someone of being a troll or of engaging in trolling is often used as a red herring" - since the term "strawman argument" (at least as I understand it) doesn't seem to apply.

It is most often used by those who think and act in the prevailing mood of the forum, as it presents itself through inconsistency of free speech and thought.

The first part of this sentence is unargued assertion and the second part is incoherent.

There can not be a troll in the true sense on a forum that is dedicated to allowing all opinions and styles.

First, I have no idea what you meant by the "true sense" of the word 'troll', but if you're going to post on the Wikipedia entry for "Internet Troll" it makes sense to conform to the definition provided there. Of course if you use the definition they provided, it's entirely possible for someone to be a troll on any forum. Secondly, you assume that all "free speech/thought" oriented forums are "dedicated to allowing all opinions and styles", although you know that isn't always the case.

A troll on an open forum is a person who seeks to destroy the forum outright, by interfering with the freedom of other memebers. (sic)

And finally you simply redefine the word to accomodate your own opinion of how a "free speech/thought" forum should be run.

IMO this kind of ad hoc reasoning and editorializing doesn't belong in a Wikipedia entry.

what an anal... i liked what i wrote. this is your opinion? see? well you win...

you could have corrected the spelling or helped that way, even if you disagreed, rather than censoring and making it all about you....ah freedom. bullshit. you don't have a clue...

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

and yuck it up with some smart-ass reply. you censor...you know it. you do not know freedom. but keep trying..i will help.

glad you didn't think it belonged on there. i did. i guess you win cuz i can't be bothered..laughable.

michael :)

[Dingfod]

:rolleyes:

[Crumb]

You sure do like to swing the "you hate freedom" weapon about a lot, Michael. maybe you should get a position in the Bush administration.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

yeah maybe i should...sorry you don't see vm's actions as lame, but that is my opinion. he felt mine were lame and spent a long time telling me why. i actually spent less time pointing out my reasons...

michael :)

[Dingfod]

:dramaq:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

not really dingfod, but if it makes you feel better to say that...by all means.

no drama...just truth as i see it. guess you don't. no worries...

michael :)

[livius drusus]

Vaguely worded, misplaced, opinion pieces are supposed to be removed from wiki entries. It's called self-monitoring, not censorship, and it's what makes the real-time collaborative model possible.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

btw, vm...you can mock me, put me down, say i'm a drama queen...save your breath. i don't need your excuses. i know you have your reasons. you don't even see what i'm talking about half the time. i guess the problem is me. no worries...if it made you feel good to do that, then fine. glad i could bring you some pleasure. i happen to really believe strongly in what i say about trolls and free forums, even if i didn't use the right grammar. that's what editors are for...or censors.

take care...

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Vaguely worded, misplaced, opinion pieces are supposed to be removed from wiki entries. It's called self-monitoring, not censorship, and it's what makes the real-time collaborative model possible.

great...maybe you can help me get my definition in there? didn't think so.

i'm there to make you feel better about yourselves. bravo...


michael :)

[livius drusus]

Whether your opinions stay in a wiki entry does not affect my self-esteem either way.

[D. Scarlatti]

[vm] ... spent a long time telling me why.

He didn't need to do that. But he did, and it seems to me he provided some fairly detailed reasoning, which you've completely ignored in pursuing your more important projects: bitching, moaning, and crying the persecution blues.

[viscousmemories]

you could have corrected the spelling or helped that way, even if you disagreed, rather than censoring and making it all about you....ah freedom. bullshit. you don't have a clue...
Don't be ridiculous. You would've launched into exactly the same hysterical rant about censorship and how I don't understand what freedom really means if had only pointed out that you made a typo on the word 'members'. Nasty rambling personal attacks are your well established method of coping with embarrassment. Ironically, given that you always seem more embarrassed after you have an outburst. But oh well, it's what you do. Your addition to the Wikipedia entry was incoherent and out of place editorializing. Sorry, but if you can't handle to hear that then you shouldn't be contributing to a public collaboration. Unlike you I actually value that resource, and it pisses me off when people shit on it to further their personal agendas.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

bullshit. i believe in what i have to say. i support and only post at free forums. i am not the only person who believes this. it is based on observation. i'm not much of a side-taker, ever notice? i just kinda comment on what everybody is doing. i don't run off and bring things back to read, i stay and read you. i based what i had to say on that. why is my study or observation invalid- because it exposes something in you? well too fucking bad. look in the mirror.

you have convinced yourself that my arrogance, the same type you stifle in your flawed quest to be good, is something bad. well you're wrong.

you could have left it or improved upon it, or given me advice on how to properly put forward a definition that is valid. what i am saying is not wrong, you just don't agree with it. well a true expression of freedom would have been in helping me get my message out, not in censoring it altogether.

sit smug, haters...i don't mind. :)

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

and i will tell you flat out right now- people like you and scarlatti are far more educated and word savvy. you can have fun bullying me all you like, but i am a genius when it comes to reading people. you can think everything i say is an ignorant pile of shit and that it is poorly structured, etc, but keep in mind that i'm usually talking about you :)

michael :)

[livius drusus]

i support and only post at free forums.

Wikipedia is not a "free forum".

[The Jesus Lawyer]

the internet is fucking free. look at the bigger picture. see this for what it is.

and it is free to honest defintions, which mine is, whether you agree or not. i can look up nazism and not be a nazi and be happy with the freedom that allows that definition to be. i can even help support it.

some of you people are never wrong. no worries because neither am i :)

[livius drusus]

I'm sorry but it looks to me like you redefine words as you go. If the whole internet is free, then why did you claim to "only post on free forums"? Obviously some forums are not free or you wouldn't select on the free ones to post on.

Wikipedia may be "free to honest definitions" but, thankfully, it's also free to remove editorializing, vague, poorly articulated ones. Otherwise the signal to noise ratio would be so high that the collaborative model on which Wikipedia was built would fall apart.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

what kills me is this (and then im off to eat)...

there is huge potential for real change on the internet, and the people who are the most vocal about that, who talk the talk and show what it takes to change, are the same people who bring in the outside rules to the internet, the same actions that create the problems we seek to change in the first place.

i view this whole internet differently than you do. my whole approach is not the same as yours and i don't expect you to understand, but some respect and even kindness once in a while would be nice. i share nice things here with everybody, but there are some here who only answer back with the negative.

fuck them.

sorry, where was i? oh yes...eating :)

michael :)

[D. Scarlatti]

i believe in what i have to say.

This is undisputed.

scarlatti ... keep in mind that i'm usually talking about you

No thanks. I've nothing to do with your obsessive projections.

The internet is a mirror, remember?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

The internet is a mirror, remember?

not always. not always...just when it serves me .

take it easy.


michael :)

[livius drusus]

my whole approach is not the same as yours and i don't expect you to understand, but some respect and even kindness once in a while would be nice.
I have never to my knowledge treated you otherwise, so for you to suggest I've been disrespectful or unkind to you -- which you do every time we have any kind of disagreement -- when in fact the opposite is true, is nothing short of ironic.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i wasn't talking about you liv...just venting...going to eat. for real!

michael :)

[D. Scarlatti]

...just when it serves me.

And of course "we" are all here to serve and mollify "you."

[livius drusus]

As I've said several times before, your "venting" inevitably lashes out at everyone in reach. You don't use qualifications. You lay it on thick with the generalities and hyperemotional trips then once you get over your burst of anger or self-pity of whatever it is, you try to act like there's no harm done.

Well there is harm done. Just because it's not to you doesn't mean it's not harm. Go eat. I weary of you.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

how in the hell do i harm you? stop being weak. there is no harm. this won't last unless i let it, and i won't. why would i?

and yes, scarlatti...

and now i am also weary from hunger :)

[Corona688]

hey check it out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll#Trolling_in_different_Internet_media
n some Internet subcultures, notably Kibology, the words "troll" and "trolling" have taken on a different meaning. Instead of the aggressive invader and his loud, often abusive posts, the terms refer to someone more subtle, seeking to create a loud, indeed furious response, to a post that may be moderate and even reasonable in its tone, while pushing the victim's hot buttons. This treatment may be applied to invaders, especially cranks such as Archimedes Plutonium or George Hammond (Scientific Proof of God, not the TV character) and the loud, obnoxious, self-centered kind of invader called trolls elsewhere.

Trolling may also be done as a kind of practical joke among group members. Those who can see through such trolls quickly, and respond in kind, are held in high esteem, while those who fall for the trick may eventually be informed "YHBT"--You Have Been Trolled. The admiring response to a particularly subtle troll is "IHBT"--I Have Been Trolled. That's my understanding of "Troll".

[Corona688]

how in the hell do i harm you? Let me see... How about, abusing the freedom of this forum to harass the people who make it possible at all, along with continual and incorrect insinuations about the way things are managed? That there is "no harm" in such asociality is plainly just your opinion.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

As I've said several times before, your "venting" inevitably lashes out at everyone in reach. You don't use qualifications. You lay it on thick with the generalities and hyperemotional trips then once you get over your burst of anger or self-pity of whatever it is, you try to act like there's no harm done.


i'm back, but just for a second...

you might want to think about what you wrote here, liv. if you aren't guilty, you have nothing to worry about. i write that way because i really do see this as a mirror and a lot of what i say is being said to myself. if what i am saying doesn't apply to you then it shouldn't bother you. it definitely shouldn't hurt you. you certainly shouldn't think it could hurt others.

who cares what i do? you can think i am an idiot or moron and hate my style, but saying there is harm done...that's your bag.

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

how in the hell do i harm you? Let me see... How about, abusing the freedom of this forum to harass the people who make it possible at all

because i have more respect for them than that. i consider them equal and mostly just think of them as liv and vm. it would seem that to go against equal treatment would go against what they seek to do...no?

i have given my props. i am tired of this excuse. i am just putting out opinions. i am not hurting anybody. if i am, you're allowing it.

michael :)

[livius drusus]

if you aren't guilty, you have nothing to worry about.
That's what people always say when they give up freedoms. Bank wants your fingerprint to cash a check? If you aren't guilty, you have nothing to worry about. The government tapping your phones? If you aren't guilty, you have nothing to worry about.

Oh but let me guess: you didn't mean it that way, did you? No you just meant it in that special way you always mean everything even when it contradicts the special way you meant it three posts ago.

[D. Scarlatti]

a lot of what i say is being said to myself.

I'm only quoting this so the people who put you on ignore can have a laugh.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

but liv...those have consequences in the real world.

nothing can hurt you here unless you allow it.

good one, scarlatti ;)

[viscousmemories]

you could have left it or improved upon it, or given me advice on how to properly put forward a definition that is valid.
And as I already said you would've reacted exactly the same way.

what i am saying is not wrong, you just don't agree with it.
You don't believe anything anyone ever says is wrong, remember? Everyone has their own truth and all that.

well a true expression of freedom would have been in helping me get my message out, not in censoring it altogether.
For god's sake, removing content from a Wikipedia entry isn't censorship. Do you even have the slightest idea what that word means?

[livius drusus]

but liv...those have consequences in the real world.

Another risible non-sequitur. Basta.

[D. Scarlatti]

Wow that post is in like four languages that nobody speaks, except for the one English word.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

you could have left it or improved upon it, or given me advice on how to properly put forward a definition that is valid.
And as I already said you would've reacted exactly the same way.

that is not true. i don't delete things. that is what annoyed me, especially since there were actually good intentions behind it, even if i did present it as a joke...a fault on my part.

what i am saying is not wrong, you just don't agree with it.
You don't believe anything anyone ever says is wrong, remember? Everyone has their own truth and all that.

yes. i support the truth of all, even when i don't agree with it. that is my philosophy online. i think it leads to better, though less extreme things, off...i see the internet as a way out and process toward creating tolerance in the real world.

well a true expression of freedom would have been in helping me get my message out, not in censoring it altogether.
For god's sake, removing content from a Wikipedia entry isn't censorship. Do you even have the slightest idea what that word means?

my words were there. you did not agree with them (for whatever reason) and you deleted them. i believe it belonged there and would have been open to suggestions on how to improve presentation.

Main Entry: 2censor
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): cen·sored; cen·sor·ing /'sen(t)-s&-ri[ng], 'sen(t)s-ri[ng]/
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable


liv...i guess we disagree.

ya know...i am simply putting forth my opinions of trolls in a thread about trolls. i am entitled to my opinions. i admit to letting vm's action get under my skin, but i have done no harm here. i have shown as much respect as i ever get. i suppose we get what we give...exactly :)

michael :)

[viscousmemories]

that is not true. i don't delete things.
I didn't mean you would've deleted it if you were in my shoes, I meant even if I had merely suggested that you edit it you would've accused me of censorship, not understanding what freedom means and putting you down to make myself feel better.

that is what annoyed me, especially since there were actually good intentions behind it, even if i did present it as a joke...a fault on my part.
Not only did you present it as a joke, but just a week ago (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=262885#post262885) you said:

lol...are you asking me to go find the definition of troll in wikipedia??? lol...let me go add my definition so i can quote it and come back and prove you wrong ;)
Which led me to believe you had no respect for the Wikipedia project at all, and were just using it as another platform for your opinions.

my words were there. you did not agree with them (for whatever reason) and you deleted them.
As I explained, I thought your addition was inappropriate so I deleted it. That's how that publicly maintained encyclopedia works. Obviously I can't stop you believing that this editorial process amounts to censorship, but I don't share that belief.

[Corona688]

how in the hell do i harm you? Let me see... How about, abusing the freedom of this forum to harass the people who make it possible at all

because i have more respect for them than that. i consider them equal and mostly just think of them as liv and vm. it would seem that to go against equal treatment would go against what they seek to do...no? So harassment is OK as long as you harass everyone equally?

And your idea of rights is rather skewed. This is a web forum, not the USA. The rights you have in this forum are precisely the ones the admins give you. They are good admins, and your freedom is close to complete; yet, common sense would suggest that treating them like shit is not just a shitty thing to do, but a bad idea.

And Wikipedia lives through this kind of "censorship". Incorrect information not just can be censored, but should be censored, otherwise the wikipedia would be full of it.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

how in the hell do i harm you? Let me see... How about, abusing the freedom of this forum to harass the people who make it possible at all

because i have more respect for them than that. i consider them equal and mostly just think of them as liv and vm. it would seem that to go against equal treatment would go against what they seek to do...no? So harassment is OK as long as you harass everyone equally?

i am not harassing anybody. in fact, it can be said that vm did it to me first, as he entered into the foray. i even think he would admit that, though we both wouldn't call it harassment...annoying maybe. i have kept to topic most of the time. i have exchanged terse words, but nothing people shouldn't be able to handle. i know because i handle theirs. if i am bothering you, ask yourself why. feel free to even tell me, but stop accusing me of bullshit. it isn't very cool.

michael :)

[pescifish]

i have given my props. i am tired of this excuse. i am just putting out opinions. i am not hurting anybody. if i am, you're allowing it.
but liv...those have consequences in the real world.

nothing can hurt you here unless you allow it.The person you are hurting the most in your chaotic confrontations is yourself, so I guess that mirror and talking to yourself thing is at work.

These encounters appear to bother you for whatever reasons. No one is stopping you from voicing your opinions on this board, but you seem unwilling to accept when people voice their disagreement. All anyone is doing here is pointing out various aspects they feel exist in your arguments: absurdities or unsupported accusations or meaningless generalizations or ....

What is it you want from :ff:, The Jesus Lawyer? Why not just enjoy the company, such as it is, express whatever opinions are important to you and accept how people receive them?

Stop hurting yourself. It's not a sign of strength to keep :deadhorse:

[Corona688]

i have kept to topic most of the time. i have exchanged terse words, but nothing people shouldn't be able to handle. i know because i handle theirs. Right. The way you handle people putting you on ignore by bellyaching about it, then finding new and creative ways to bug them through other channels.

The way you handle every time the admins even TALK about implementing a rule, or using an existing one, by whining about how fundamental rights are being violated.

The way that, when you push someone's buttons, you tell them it's their fault for having buttons, then feed them some armchair psychology before pushing their buttons again.

Your constant refrain of "it doesn't bother me therefore it shouldn't bother anybody", not realizing that nobody's accepted you as the Standard Fucking Normal yet, ignoring how you obviously bother plenty.

The way you imagine information to be harmless in a social network practically made of information.

The way you sign every post with a smile you can't always mean.

Seriously. I don't think you're handling it well. You're keeping an even keel but you're pissing off a lot of people in the process, and if you don't care about that, you should. Wouldn't you feel stupid if someday you realized you were sending all the wrong signals, that you could have avoided much unpleasantness by doing things differently instead of chastising them for not being you?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

please note that some of you are carrying old beefs around from thread to thread, concentrating mainly on what i have to offer that you perceive as negative.

pesci, i am not beating a dead horse, as i entered a thread started by somebody else. i just happen to be fond of debating this topic. i am also not really hurting myself because i am in a fine mood. do you know what my gripe was about? about vm removing something i wrote on wikipedia, which i thought was lame. my opinion, but i don't think i am really out of bounds by raising a stink about it.

anyhow...

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i have kept to topic most of the time. i have exchanged terse words, but nothing people shouldn't be able to handle. i know because i handle theirs. Right. The way you handle people putting you on ignore by bellyaching about it, then finding new and creative ways to bug them through other channels.

The way you handle every time the admins even TALK about implementing a rule, or using an existing one, by whining about how fundamental rights are being violated.

The way that, when you push someone's buttons, you tell them it's their fault for having buttons, then feed them some armchair psychology before pushing their buttons again.

Your constant refrain of "it doesn't bother me therefore it shouldn't bother anybody", not realizing that nobody's accepted you as the Standard Fucking Normal yet, ignoring how you obviously bother plenty.

The way you imagine information to be harmless in a social network practically made of information.

The way you sign every post with a smile you can't always mean.

Seriously. I don't think you're handling it well. You're keeping an even keel but you're pissing off a lot of people in the process, and if you don't care about that, you should. Wouldn't you feel stupid if someday you realized you were sending all the wrong signals, that you could have avoided much unpleasantness by doing things differently instead of chastising them for not being you?


lol...but how do you really feel? i am sorry you don't like me.

michael :D

[Corona688]

please note that some of you are carrying old beefs around from thread to thread, concentrating mainly on what i have to offer that you perceive as negative. Oh sure..

"It doesn't bother me. Why can't you be more like me?"
"<things we don't like about you>"
"That's not relevant."

Strikes me as special pleading.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

it's funny...it is your own perception that i asked you to be like me. in fact, it would go against my being to say that. i just present who i am...like it or not.

michael :)

[pescifish]

pesci, i am not beating a dead horse, as i entered a thread started by somebody else. i just happen to be fond of debating this topic. i am also not really hurting myself because i am in a fine mood. Well that's good then. :)
do you know what my gripe was about? about vm removing something i wrote on wikipedia, which i thought was lame. my opinion, but i don't think i am really out of bounds by raising a stink about it. Yes, I was reading this thread at the time and read the wikipedia entry before it was edited.

No, you aren't out of bounds for making a stink, but vm's actions weren't the start of this particular incident. According to your own posts in this thread, it appears as if you added that entry as a nose-thumbing to this forum and was done simply to advance your unique perceptions as if they were reality. You added something that doesn't even make sense for a wiki article. I doubt there is a universal Internet understanding of a separate medium called "free thought forums", hence my impression it was a nose-thumbing.

You took your shot, viscousmemories took reactive action for which he has every right (and aside from whatever is going on at this forum, I believe he acted responsibly, since this stupid conflict surely shouldn't spread to wikipedia!), and then you did another round here for denouement.

Anything past that is :deadhorse: .
I'm talking about this particular issue: you gave your opinion. Others reacted and gave theirs. Isn't that enough?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

ok pesci...i will quit this thread for you. all i really am doing is replying to what people are saying to me. i don't seek the attention, it just comes sometimes. look how many people enter threads to diss me and then accuse me of making it all about me. my problem is that i just can't let something go unchallenged.

but since you're so damn swell...i will this time :)

michael :)

[Corona688]

it's funny...it is your own perception that i asked you to be like me. in fact, it would go against my being to say that. i just present who i am...like it or not. If you're really not holding yourself up as some sort of example for us to aspire to, then constantly telling us that things don't bother you is irrelevant. I know you couldn't care less, you don't need to keep telling me.

[pescifish]

ok pesci...i will quit this thread for you. all i really am doing is replying to what people are saying to me. i don't seek the attention, it just comes sometimes. look how many people enter threads to diss me and then accuse me of making it all about me. my problem is that i just can't let something go unchallenged.

but since you're so damn swell...i will this time Oh, I completely understand about needing to respond to each new challenge. Please don't change anything on my account. I jumped in just because, I dunno, I want to hear what you have to say without hearing all the personal conflict noise, I guess.

Any chance I can I redirect?

I'd be interested to know more about what you view as a separate category of online activities that you described as "free thought". The brief exchange in this thread between you and livius drusus as to what is "free" vs. "free thought" could be clarified more.

Is there any chance you could open a thread somewhere on :ff: to outline your concepts on that? Maybe if you could do that without personalizing it to this forum or this community, but on a general level, it would be easier for everyone to hear your ideas without spinning-out with personal reactions.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

(i just messaged you telling you i wasn't going to reply, and you bait me...troll! :D)

i might just get around to doing that (i might even have an old post), but the philosophy i have in regard to the internet and freethought/speech, is carried through in most of what i write and how i act. it is a work in progress, which some wish would cease production :)

michael :)

[D. Scarlatti]

i just happen to be fond of debating this topic.

Really michael. What a fucking joke. Who knows how many posts you've made in this thread at this point, but I don't see anything in any of them even approaching "debate."

As a matter of fact the one post in this thread that may be said to represent debate is vm's discussion of your wiki entry, a post that includes support and reasoning. And oddly enough, the post you keep excoriating without reason and without support, aside from attacking his motives, which is not only the antithesis of debate, but your baseless criticisms have been rebutted by several posters.

And then on top of all that you actually have the balls to say, "you did not agree with them (for whatever reason)" after he's given you numerous and specific reasons, not only in the original explanation but subsequently! Debate! Give me a fucking break.

Here's the real gem though:

look how many people enter threads to diss me and then accuse me of making it all about me.

As far as I'm concerned, and you have confirmed this yourself by expressly claiming you are talking about me (and others) in this thread, you entered at least two threads in the politics forum to cry and bitch and moan because a couple of assholes had been called "trolls" - and for damn good reason, I might add.

And now you have the gall to cry and bitch and moan about "people entering threads to diss you" when your original post in this thread is exactly that and was brought about by behavior on your part that is exactly that.

Debate! Give your fucking head a shake, michael. The most charitable interpretation of all of this is that you're incapable of even formulating a consistent or coherent premise. The uncharitable conclusion is that you're a stone hypocrite.

[beyelzu]

all i really am doing is replying to what people are saying to me.

actually the problem wasnt a because of a disagreement over the definition. rather the real problem is your inability or unwillingness to provide a substantive, articulate post outlining your reasoning. vm provided a nice point by point reasoning of why he got rid of you little wiki def. you couldnt be bothered to do the same. in short, i think that you might be one of the most intellectually dishonest/lazy people i know.

you sir, are the the anti beyelzu. :tmgrin:

i don't seek the attention, it just comes sometimes. look how many people enter threads to diss me and then accuse me of making it all about me. my problem is that i just can't let something go unchallenged.


your arguments should be capable of standing alone, on their own merits, that is the truth of it. they dont because you largely lack arguments. i dont really dislike you, i feel nothing for you save a mild annoyance.

[beyelzu]

:shakefist:

damn you scarlatti, you made the same point as i did you bastard, only twenty eight minutes before me. fuck you.

damn.

:tmgrin:

i would like to point out that my post with mostly the same points was far more succinct. :tmgrin:

[D. Scarlatti]

i would like to point out that my post with mostly the same points was far more succinct.

I agree, but I had more "fucks" than you for a change.

[Smilin]

Internet Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)

That's a pretty sloppy definition.

Before someone edited it out, I was cited by name on that page.

Well Sock Puppet is still mentioned in that wikipedia article... ;) :)

[beyelzu]

i would like to point out that my post with mostly the same points was far more succinct.

I agree, but I had more "fucks" than you for a change.
:shakefist:

:tmgrin:

damn, not only quicker but with more fucks as well.

[quiet bear]

Seems to me the best way to annoy a troll is to put them on ignore. Some would be so bothered they'd go so far as to start a thread and complain about it. But they aren't seeking attention. It just comes to them.


My two cents.

[Smilin]

Seems to me the best way to annoy a troll is to put them on ignore. Some would be so bothered they'd go so far as to start a thread and complain about it. But they aren't seeking attention. It just comes to them.

My two cents.

Anyone in particular you're referring to there, QB? :yup: :wink: :D

[quiet bear]

I usually stay out of situations, but sometimes, things just have to be said. Oh, I could go through and do a lot of cutting and pasting (never leaving this thread, mind you), and make a person look completely foolish, using nothing but their own words.

But, quite frankly, I don't care enough, and don't have that kind of time. Also, I have no beef with anyone.

Besides, all it would do is send the person straight into euphoria to see someone else was paying attention to them.

There. I posted on page one, and have post #114. I'll be back at post #228.

[Smilin]

There. I posted on page one, and have post #114. I'll be back at post #228.

See you there QB. :) :wave:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

some people claim to seek peace and use pictures of men they couldn't even aspire to be, to describe who they are, while their actions speak an opposite truth. some pretend to be calm and quiet while entering an argument speaking. it is like somebody who isn't good at football playing a game wearing a replica jersey of someone who is- i don't know whether they constitute a troll, but i do find them kind of annoying...

michael :)

[beyelzu]

some cocksuckers ignore substantive posts,

your point tjl?

[Smilin]

it is like somebody who isn't good at football playing a game wearing a replica jersey of someone who is- i don't know whether they constitute a troll, but i do find them kind of annoying...

michael :)

Jeebus....
/me hides his replica Titan's jersey's and simply :whistles:

[Sock Puppet]

Well Sock Puppet is still mentioned in that wikipedia article...
Of course. Michael can try and try to make it about him, but in the end, it's still all about me.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Well Sock Puppet is still mentioned in that wikipedia article...
Of course. Michael can try and try to make it about him, but in the end, it's still all about me.

music to my ears on a free forum. :)

[wei yau]

I'm cranky and I'm bitchy, but here goes.

Michael - I'm sick an tired of your bitching about how the FF isn't "free". I've yet to see you censored, edited or modded in any way by either liv or vm. Yet, you still parade this bullshit around. And when called on it, it's your usual retort of how no one understands freedom like you. No one knows how you're special and the rest of us are cretins.

I'm tired of it, I really am. It's not so much that I care about what you have to say, nor whether or not you feel hurt by the ignore features or what pretty pictures you've taken. Those things are fine, those things are typical for this forum.

It's just that I love this place and I'm tired of you shitting on it and on the admins. You don't appreciate what they've done in creating this place? Fine. Continue to bitch about it. Just don't expect anyone to pay attention, or at the very least, don't expect me to give a damn about your opinion anymore.

[Plant Woman]

Seems to me the best way to annoy a troll is to put them on ignore. Some would be so bothered they'd go so far as to start a thread and complain about it. But they aren't seeking attention. It just comes to them.

Except for TJL, he gets pretty riled when he thinks someone is ignoring him. Now that he knows you are ignoring him, you will be his next target.

ETA: Am I psychic or what! Right on cue too. Ok not psychic, just see the patterns.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i bitch about this everywhere i go. it isn't just about ff. i have already said that. i have suffered to stand by what i say...it is important enough.

funny how people predict i will attack those who do it first.

it really is a mirror.

michael :)

[Leesifer]

:mirror:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

yeah i'm ugly...sometimes. sometimes i hate what i see in the mirror...

[Leesifer]

Hey, if the smiley fits ...

[Shelli]

:mirror:
:LMAO:

[Corona688]

i bitch about this everywhere i go. it isn't just about ff. i have already said that. i have suffered to stand by what i say...it is important enough. First you tell me that words here can't hurt people. Now you tell me you're suffering to stand by what you say? What, people invade your home and break your kneecaps for political positions stated on a bulletin board that have yet to be properly enunciated? Your boss fires you over 'em? Your girlfriend left you over it? You're on a hunger strike until we let whatshisname back in?

Jesus. Fucking. Lawyer. Give me a break.

[Ensign Steve]

No, it was seebs (http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6017#post6017). But you were in there high-fiving at your common heritage.

Seebs is a troll? I had no idea! That is too cute.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i am not suffering because of you. i am suffering because of me.

all it would take is me to leave to remedy that...

keep it coming kids. it's carte blanche with this cunt...you can say and start whatever shit you want and i will get blamed.

putting up with that is my problem. that is my suffering...


michael :)

[Leesifer]

Oh for goodness sake, Michael.
i am not suffering because of you. i am suffering because of me.
You really do work in the media don't you.

[Shelli]

Why is it that when TJL is the last poster on a thread that I see his name listed on the last posts list but when I go into the thread, he's nowhere to be seen? :wha:

Oh yeaaah... :idea2:

:beaugest:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Oh for goodness sake, Michael.
i am not suffering because of you. i am suffering because of me.
You really do work in the media don't you.

i'm there right now :)


michael :)

[quiet bear]

Seems to me the best way to annoy a troll is to put them on ignore. Some would be so bothered they'd go so far as to start a thread and complain about it. But they aren't seeking attention. It just comes to them.

I usually stay out of situations, but sometimes, things just have to be said. Oh, I could go through and do a lot of cutting and pasting (never leaving this thread, mind you), and make a person look completely foolish, using nothing but their own words.

But, quite frankly, I don't care enough, and don't have that kind of time. Also, I have no beef with anyone.

Besides, all it would do is send the person straight into euphoria to see someone else was paying attention to them.

There. I posted on page one, and have post #114. I'll be back at post #228.

funny how people predict i will attack those who do it first.


I fail to see how that is an attack. Other than the euphoria comment, which is simply my opinion, worth nothing, everything that I wrote is true. If you consider it an attack, that is your opinion. And, like mine, worth nothing.


some people claim to seek peace and use pictures of men they couldn't even aspire to be, to describe who they are,

My avatar is a picture of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. I have read several of his books and admire him very much. His writings have been a great tool for me on my path of inner peace. I don't aspire to be anyone but me. I don't use that avatar to describe who I am. Heck, I am about 3 steps on a thousand mile journey in finding out who I am. You're certainly entitled to your opinion of me. It doesn't affect me one way or the other.

Did I poke at you? Of course. It wasn't mean spirited or malicious, and if you took it that way, I will apologize. It's a little odd though, that you've been blasting away with a bazooka at anything that moves in this thread, yet see fit to call what I wrote an attack.


And finally, I don't claim to seek peace. I actively seek peace every day of my life. That's why people like you, who thrive on controversy and love the spotlight don't bother me one iota. You couldn't upset me on your best day, with all your missiles locked dead on me.

[Leesifer]

So, Michael, you know what a bullshit industry you work in. Please don't let that take you over.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i don't thrive on controversy, qb...i practice tolerance. controversy happens. look at this thread...how many people have jumped in to just make some smart-ass comment about me, totally off topic, but how many times have i been blamed for what they do? lots...but yet here i am, sticking to my guns.

leesifer...this isn't bullshit...it's me. same dif to some...

[Leesifer]

leesifer...this isn't bullshit...it's me. same dif to some...

Then I know a great many people like you Michael. Don't get me wrong. I like them a lot. I like you! But you have to live in the real world sometimes and not the "it's me", it's me" world.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

leesifer...i am surrounded by the real world. i help bring that 'real' world to people all over canada. i can't escape. i am a dreamer, but i am not clueless. my whole philosophy is based on the real world and what it takes to make it real...actions. that's all i comment on. anyhow...i think you are wrong. i think the people that watch what we put out are sheep who would rather be told how the world is, rather than make it something. look how many people come online talking change and seeking a better way, while using actions that make the real world real.

i comment on lefties who act like the right and vice versa. i call people on bullshit, even myself. i get labeled a troll for doing that...so be it.

i live in the real world. shame on me for keeping it that way.

[beyelzu]

whats that sound?

oh wait i know its the sound of an asshole avoiding my point, i hear it a good bit sometimes.

come on michael, so full of bravado, respond to me and scarlatti. or i will just put you on my now empty ignore list.

cuz i will realize that talking to you is pointless, its not even as fun as angrydipshit or lyin asshole.

come on baby, make a quality post. dont you think its about time after nearly thirteen hundred of them?

[Beth]

<post deleted>daminit! It dood it again even with the colored tab-thingies!

[beyelzu]

daminit! It dood it again even with the coloered tab-thingies!
hmm,

damn, i was going to say something pithy about space/time warps, but you edited right before i quoted evidentally.

damn

:tmgrin:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

my posts are quality. there are too many people addressing me here. i am not following orders. put me on your ignore list. perseverance is teaching me not to care.

there is nothing confusing about anything i have presented. i am not obliged to you. i didn't even know you asked me anything...guess i didn't read it. too much going on, i guess...you don't really interest me.

michael :)

[Dingfod]

:dramaq:

[beyelzu]

jesus lawyer,

consider it done, one less cocksucker i will be bothered by. sweet.

as an aside i wasnt threatening you or ordering you. i was simply informing you that if you couldnt be bothered to engage in honest dialogue that i was no longer going to engage you in dialogue at all.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

let me say this...

i put out my defintion of troll, based on my own observations, as it is used in free forums all over the internet. how am i ever going to convince the people i accuse of using it as a tool to defeat what bothers them that i am right. i won't.

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i dont really dislike you, i feel nothing for you save a mild annoyance.

why would i answer that? i have never said anything to you like this...you came in and addressed me this way, but i am the cocksucker.

slurp. keep your fingers crossed that i get aids.

oh...and hunter s thompson would punch you in your sorry face :)


michael :)

[beyelzu]

i havent enaged the ignore yet, how can you not see that your reasoning is like completely fallacious.

how can you consistently misconstrue other people's words, posts, and thoughts and think that you yourself are worthy of honest dialogue?

[beyelzu]

i dont really dislike you, i feel nothing for you save a mild annoyance.

why would i answer that? i have never said anything to you like this...you came in and addressed me this way, but i am the cocksucker.

slurp. keep your fingers crossed that i get aids.


michael :)
and still you ignore the actual point of my post. there was some substance there, how did you miss it?


how did you miss scarlatti's?

how did you miss vm's?

[Dingfod]

That's funny, others here have defined "troll" as it applies to internet message boards, and linked to definitions at other sources, which you are not accepting but you're getting all bent out of shape because they won't accept yours.

[beyelzu]

i dont really dislike you, i feel nothing for you save a mild annoyance.

why would i answer that? i have never said anything to you like this...you came in and addressed me this way, but i am the cocksucker.

actually you didnt become a cocksucker till you actually stated that you intended to ignore substantive posts.



slurp. keep your fingers crossed that i get aids.

oh...and hunter s thompson would punch you in your sorry face :)


michael :)
and why would hunter punch me? or more likely take a bunch of drugs and write something about me that would make me cry?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

actually dingfod...wrong. i accept their definitions, i just disagree. i even support them being included. my definition applies only to free forums everywhere.

hunter would punch you, not write about you...just for threatening to ignore. that's kinda weak and you know it.

michael :)

[beyelzu]

well sure, but i have three choices really, heep abuse on you cuz you have completely lost whatever modicum of respect you previously had, troll you relentlessly, or ignore. and while hunter would probably give me mad props for verbally abusing what he would probably consider a shitbag, well i try not to fling shit on the walls of ff so that leaves ignore.


as an aside, i do mostly still read posts by people that i have on ignore, well the one other person i used to have on ignore, it really just serves as a reminder to not engage them.

[beyelzu]

and michael if you want to have a pissing match on pms or something, send me one, but like i said shit/walls/ff, im done talking to you in threads, it isnt good for the forum.

[viscousmemories]

i accept their definitions, i just disagree.
This is a contradiction. You either accept the offered definition or you disagree. You can't agree to disagree about the definition of a word in the midst of a debate about the definition of a word. Not if you want anyone to take you seriously anyway.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

you're delusional...who the hell am i fighting with? my problem is i can't stop defending myself. i should just know to let it ago, but i am flawed that way.

you win...happy? i am tired of this now, officially...ignore me, hate me...i don't care. what i say is right to me, like what you say is the same for you...

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i accept their definitions, i just disagree.
This is a contradiction. You either accept the offered definition or you disagree. You can't agree to disagree about the definition of a word in the midst of a debate about the definition of a word. Not if you want anyone to take you seriously anyway.

bullshit. open your mind. it is not a contradiction. i accept the definitions exist and have no problem with that. i would rather learn to tolerate and understand what i disagree with, rather than eliminate it...

troll is a new word. i think it is open to other definitions, especially when wikipedia is always given as the source.

michael :)

[Beth]

I'm just wasting my time reading this crap.

Michael, honestly, you bitch about others putting you on ignore, but you disrespect those of us who read your posts. I suggest that you stop bitching about your free speech being violated if you are going to violate my sensibilities and waste my time with this crap.

[beyelzu]

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See
also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1;
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by
the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic
at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming
characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of
life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3.
[Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS
students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab
policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves
lurking in dark cavelike corners.

just to be an ass

[The Jesus Lawyer]

beth...you come into this saying all this to me...what have i done to you? what have i really said to anybody that is all that bad? why is nobody at all defending me? it can't all just be me...it is a gang-mentality that has nothing to do with freedom. do you know how many people have entered this thread, which i have tried to stay on topic for, just to take a swipe at me. you don't just do this to me...this is typical.

whatever you want beth. i have never said a nasty thing to you in my life.

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See
also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1;
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by
the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic
at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming
characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of
life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3.
[Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS
students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab
policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves
lurking in dark cavelike corners.

just to be an ass

ah, another dotcom dictionary to wow me with :)

still...it's a new word. you don't have to stick with my definiton, but i will.

[Beth]

Bey, I thought you were a dick, not an ass.:kissass: :nyahnyah:

[viscousmemories]

bullshit. open your mind.
We've already established that you're obnoxious, rude and presumptuous. No need to drive the point home.

it is not a contradiction. i accept the definitions exist and have no problem with that. i would rather learn to tolerate and understand what i disagree with, rather than eliminate it...
It is a contradiction. You claim to be "debating" the definition of the word. You don't do that by sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting your own definition at the top of your lungs. Not if you're older than 8 anyway.

troll is a new word. i think it is open to other definitions, especially when wikipedia is always given as the source.
Yeah no shit, hence the discussion. But what you don't seem to realize is that Wikipedia isn't Urban Dictionary. The idea is that there is a general consensus on the definitions and explications of words and phrases, and it's up to the global community of Wikipedia users to help make that happen. Ergo I saw something that didn't fit with the rest of the content there and deleted it. I told you I had done it and why because I felt like that was the honest thing to do. I don't really care whether you believe that.

[Beth]

beth...you come into this saying all this to me...what have i done to you? what have i really said to anybody that is all that bad? why is nobody at all defending me? it can't all just be me...it is a gang-mentality that has nothing to do with freedom. do you know how many people have entered this thread, which i have tried to stay on topic for, just to take a swipe at me. you don't just do this to me...this is typical.

whatever you want beth. i have never said a nasty thing to you in my life.

michael :)
Michael, I'm really not trying to be nasty, but your arguments are just silly right now. How can I defend what you are writing right now? You are not on ignore, but gosh, this is just getting so irritating.

I am not following a gang mentality, Michael. Lately it seems that there are threads and threads of silly argument for argument's sake.

And it wasn't just your crap that I am tired of. I think the whole thread reeks of it. So, I'm sorry that it seemed that I am just jumping in to scold you. Maybe I should have pm'ed you, instead. But damn, Michael, you insist that we should read your words, but you seem to intentionally be making general insinuations, making statements that you take back, and there's just more.

I like you, but please, either not gripe about people ignoring you, or just try to give them less of a reason to.

[Dingfod]

hunter would punch you, not write about you...just for threatening to ignore. that's kinda weak and you know it.What the fuck is that about? What is the difference between putting you on Ignore and just plain ignoring you. The end result is the same. Why does it bother you to be ignored? Is it some deep psychological problem you have? Or are you just an attention whore (drama queen has already been established)?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

But damn, Michael, you insist that we should read your words, but you seem to intentionally be making general insinuations, making statements that you take back, and there's just more.

I like you, but please, either not gripe about people ignoring you, or just try to give them less of a reason to.

quote me where i say you should read my words. people here have a knack of accusing me of things that have nothing to do with me, like corronna making things up (without looking back, i forget what they said), things i never said and never would.

i rarely take things back, and apologize and admit fault when i do.

i like you too, but i would never tell you what to do...for that very reason.

michael :)

[Plant Woman]

i like you too, but i would never tell you what to do...for that very reason.


You are constantly telling people what they SHOULD do.

[Beth]

Michael, it is the fact that you are insisting that we not put you on ignore. It appears that you want to be read and seen. You insist that others not hiding you, so, to me, that seems to imply that you want your words to be read. As PW has said, you have told me what to do by telling me and others not to put you on ignore because it was a violation of your free speech.

Anyway, I'm about done with the thread. I'll check back to see if bey has some nasty remark to make to me for reminding him that he is in fact of the cock persuasion and not of the ass persuasion.;) I'll also check to see if you reply, Michael. But I have too much IRL stuff going on to get sucked into a long conversation about this.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i like you too, but i would never tell you what to do...for that very reason.


You are constantly telling people what they SHOULD do.

want a list of who else does that? thanks for the special treatment.

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

why is this ignore thing such an issue. people are carrying it around from thread to thread. i have hardly spoken of that here. in fact, most everybody else keeps bringing it up. i must be on to something....

michael :)

[Beth]

why is this ignore thing such an issue. people are carrying it around from thread to thread. i have hardly spoken of that here. in fact, most everybody else keeps bringing it up. i must be on to something....

michael :)But Michael, I don't think the ones you are thinking of insist that they should not be put on ignore. That is the point of it.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i mean making an issue of my beef about ignore. i was in here talking about trolls. go back and look at how many people came in mentioning my hatred of being ignored and the use of the button...look at how people goaded me...

go back and look, is all i can say...read it carefully...

michael :)

[Beth]

I will, but not tonight. I'm not in the mood to mire through it right now. Ok?

[beyelzu]

Michael, it is the fact that you are insisting that we not put you on ignore. It appears that you want to be read and seen. You insist that others not hiding you, so, to me, that seems to imply that you want your words to be read. As PW has said, you have told me what to do by telling me and others not to put you on ignore because it was a violation of your free speech.

Anyway, I'm about done with the thread. I'll check back to see if bey has some nasty remark to make to me for reminding him that he is in fact of the cock persuasion and not of the ass persuasion.;) I'll also check to see if you reply, Michael. But I have too much IRL stuff going on to get sucked into a long conversation about this.
well, its a valid point. how dare you fucking say it.

/mock outrage


:tmgrin:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

I will, but not tonight. I'm not in the mood to mire through it right now. Ok?

no worries...you don't have to. here's to better moods :)

michael :)

[Plant Woman]

want a list of who else does that? thanks for the special treatment.

What does what other people do have anything to do with what you do? Do you think that makes it ok? You made a claim that was untruthful.

[Shelli]

Michael, it is the fact that you are insisting that we not put you on ignore. It appears that you want to be read and seen.
He is? He does?

Now, how come I didn't know that? :huh?:

:giggle:

[Plant Woman]

This happened before you joined.

[Smilin]

Even before I joined I believe.

Is that correct, P-dub?

[Shelli]

Oh, okay. Thanks, PW. Still, It probably upsets him that someone since then has put him on ignore. ;)

[Smilin]

Well I'm not ignoring him.

TJL does this in any way upset you?

I'm against putting anyone on ignore, even Annie and that angry pokemon character.

I'm quite capable of auto ignoring all by my wittle self. :D

[The Jesus Lawyer]

:hanging:
:ff::ff::ff::ff::
:linedance:

NIGGER


no let up. no kindness. no compassion.

no worries...

i am dead in the thread.

[Plant Woman]

Still, It probably upsets him that someone since then has put him on ignore. ;)
IMO, he needs to take responsibility for his actions that caused at least one person to put him on ignore.

Smilin, Could have been but it probably was around that time period.

[Plant Woman]

After that racial slur, he is now on my ignore.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

IT ISN'T A RACIAL SLUR...IT IS WHAT I AM.

[Crumb]

Wow, that was just pathetic Michael... :(

[The Jesus Lawyer]

really? pathetic to feel that way crumb? cuz you help. i shouldn't allow that to happen, but it did.

not one person has ever come in, even if you disagreed and just said- 'cut the guy some slack'...nope.

i give up.

lynch me. hang me. whatever.

[wei yau]

Don't know what you hoped to accomplish by that pathetic outburst. If you're trying to liken your perceived treatment here at the FF with the historical plight of black people in America, then you're more far gone than I had ever thought.

Your sense of perspective, self-worth and persecution are completely off the scale.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

really...thanks for the compassion.

[Crumb]

Hysterics do not breed compassion.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

nothing here does.

[Smilin]

You NOW are on my ignore list...

Congratulations on being the first and only....

going to figure out how in the fuck to do it now as a matter of fact...

Fuckin loser!

[The Jesus Lawyer]

this is the coldest bunch of people i have ever come across. it is a good thing i am not suicidal cuz some of you give little hope for a better future...

whatever you say, crumb. it isn't like you're going to be wrong...

[viscousmemories]

Try putting someone else's feelings before your own once in awhile, that works for me.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

omg...you fucking liar.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Try putting someone else's feelings before your own once in awhile, that works for me.

and not only are you a liar and obviously talking to yourself here, but i do. i have even defended lionsden, a person i don't like, from the cold and calculating actions of some of you.

whatever.

[Shelli]

IMO, he needs to take responsibility for his actions that caused at least one person to put him on ignore.
I quite agree.

[wei yau]

You recently started a thread in which you asked for advice on how to deal with the fact that being ignored upsets you. I wasn't the only poster who responded to you sincerely and compassionately.

Beyond that one instances that is directly related to you, the denizens of this forum have demonstrated compassion, kindess and caring to many other posters. This has been demonstrated again and again, whether it is the tragic loss of a loved one, illness, loss of employment or even just simple venting.

In this thread, I called you on what I felt was your continued tirade against the FF for imagined slights. I violently disagree with your characterization of this forum as being hypocritical and not living up to the ideal of freethought. And now I disagree with your characterization of the people in this forum being coldhearted and the harbinger of doom for humanity.

I assume you're a good guy, I really don't know. All I know is that I disagree with you on your characterization of this forum.

[Beth]

Michael, I am in the South. There is a hanging tree not far from here where they actually used to lynch those who were called the n word. To me, the word is so awful that I have a hard time just typing it.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i am a nice person. i have friends that like me. i do a lot of good for other people in the real world...i am going there now.

i have let this get to me....my bad.

[viscousmemories]

and not only are you a liar and obviously talking to yourself here, but i do.
Typical. Liar, nerd, geek, loser, etc. Grow up.

i have even defended lionsden, a person i don't like, from the cold and calculating actions of some of you.
What a champion! Protecting a lying, spamming troll from the "cold and calculating actions" of people who prefer truth, accuracy and sincerity in their interactions. You really are a hero. How can you even stand to hobknob with cretins like us?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Michael, I am in the South. There is a hanging tree not far from here where they actually used to lynch those who were called the n word. To me, the word is so awful that I have a hard time just typing it.

try feeling like one. of course, there is no real threat and i can walk away, and my dramatics made it worse (as per usual), but that is how i feel....like i am being lynched by a bunch of people who all think they are doing good...

sorry to have offended you, beth. i was just really sick and tired of it. i should not have allowed that to happen.

michael :)

[Crumb]

Bit of clarification TJL: If you can walk away, you weren't lynched.

[Beth]

i am a nice person. i have friends that like me. i do a lot of good for other people in the real world...i am going there now.

i have let this get to me....my bad.
I'm not saying that you aren't a nice person. I am sure that you are a good and kind person. The thing is, you used imagery that really dredges up a lot of hurt and anger like the hanging scene that you recently posted.

[Sock Puppet]

One time, when I was very young and foolish, I told a friend that my position amounted to being "D's n*gger." That friend was African-American. He was a few years older, and a good friend, so he patiently asked me not to use that, suggesting that I say "D's boy" instead.

I suppose you'd call that censorship, Michael. But really, there is absolutely nothing in your treatment here that gives you an accurate claim on that word. What's worse, when you calm down you'll know it, but your audience shrinkage won't be reversible.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

you're right crumb, of course....except people are talking about me without my being involved. then you're wrong.

michael :)

[Beth]

Michael, I am in the South. There is a hanging tree not far from here where they actually used to lynch those who were called the n word. To me, the word is so awful that I have a hard time just typing it.

try feeling like one. of course, there is no real threat and i can walk away, and my dramatics made it worse (as per usual), but that is how i feel....like i am being lynched by a bunch of people who all think they are doing good...

sorry to have offended you, beth. i was just really sick and tired of it. i should not have allowed that to happen.

michael :)
I'm sorry that you feel unfairly lynched. Sometimes when I get overwhelmed, I have to walk away and just take a breather. I hope that you find a way to find your peace.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i won't know it sock puppet...it is just a word. deconstruct what makes it powerful. i don't give it as much power as you cuz i don't seperate races.

would i say this in the real world...probably not...or maybe i would.

i love how everybody ignores my feelings and zeroes in on that. i should have known better. my problem really was in using that word, but not for the reasons you think...

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Michael, I am in the South. There is a hanging tree not far from here where they actually used to lynch those who were called the n word. To me, the word is so awful that I have a hard time just typing it.

try feeling like one. of course, there is no real threat and i can walk away, and my dramatics made it worse (as per usual), but that is how i feel....like i am being lynched by a bunch of people who all think they are doing good...

sorry to have offended you, beth. i was just really sick and tired of it. i should not have allowed that to happen.

michael :)
I'm sorry that you feel unfairly lynched. Sometimes when I get overwhelmed, I have to walk away and just take a breather. I hope that you find a way to find your peace.

i am doing that now...going for a bike ride. you are a kind person. there really aren't many of you here. most just like to go around and pick apart the things they hate in little gangs. seems that many people here get off on making people feel bad....i understand where that comes from, but man...to be picked on by nerds and geeks....is outrageous! :)

take care.

michael :)

[Sock Puppet]

i won't know it sock puppet...it is just a word. deconstruct what makes it powerful. i don't give it as much power as you cuz i don't seperate races.
Oh please, of course you give it power. You posted it in giant type under a gallows smiley. You felt strongly about your connection to the word when you posted that. That's the whole point, that no matter how strongly you think it applies to you, it doesn't.

i love how everybody ignores my feelings and zeroes in on that.It's not a matter of ignoring your feelings. It's just that right now, your feelings are more important to you than absolutely any other consideration. In that environment, it's difficult to be sympathetic.

[Shelli]

:whine:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i don't give it racial power...there was shock value, but it was just to show how frustrated i am. probably a bad choice....or maybe not. i would like to think i stuck a chord with my use of that word and the behaviour of some here.

anyhow...cya.


michael :)

[viscousmemories]

i love how everybody ignores my feelings and zeroes in on that.
More of your typical narcissistic bullshit. Shit on everyone and demand compassion in return. You obviously don't realize it but I have been exceedingly compassionate toward you since the day you first started posting here, against my instincts. For example by not responding in kind every time you call someone I like and care about a 'nerd' or 'loser' for having an opinion that differs from yours. But frankly I'm sick of you. If you can't be bothered to treat people the way you expect to be treated why should I care that your widdle feelings are being hurt? You're an adult now. Shit or get off the pot.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

:whine:

you take medication don't you? like for real...to help with your...depression maybe?

thought so...


michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i love how everybody ignores my feelings and zeroes in on that.
More of your typical narcissistic bullshit. Shit on everyone and demand compassion in return. You obviously don't realize it but I have been exceedingly compassionate toward you since the day you first started posting here, against my instincts. For example by not responding in kind every time you call someone I like and care about a 'nerd' or 'loser' for having an opinion that differs from yours. But frankly I'm sick of you. If you can't be bothered to treat people the way you expect to be treated why should I care that your widdle feelings are being hurt? You're an adult now. Shit or get off the pot.

whatever...you're never wrong. kudos.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

btw vm...i am not offended by what people call me really...more about how they treat me, accuse me of bullshit, gang up on me...you can call me a nerd back if you want, but you know it isn't true :)

[viscousmemories]

whatever...you're never wrong. kudos.
Bullshit! Open your mind! If you knew anything about REAL free speech you'd know I know more about it than you do. There can be no wrong in a world where everyone's truth is equally valid. You have your opinion I have mine. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!

[The Jesus Lawyer]

that is laughable, coming from you.

[Watser?]

:whine:

you take medication don't you? like for real...to help with your...depression maybe?

thought so...


michael :)

Why do you choose to be such a fucking dick on a permanent basis, you egomaniac?:)

Ok, a heartily felt fuck you from me too now:)

buhbye :)

[Sock Puppet]

I don't think you're a nerd, Michael. A poorly socialized narcissist, but not a nerd.

[viscousmemories]

you can call me a nerd back if you want, but you know it isn't true :)
Dude, you flit around town wearing spandex pants and big goggles. If that doesn't make you a nerd I don't know what does.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i am a dick? why don't you go and look how shelli needled me throughout...but i am the dick when i have had enough??? hmmm...this is what i am talking about.

i see you there scarlatti, licking your chops. go for it.

or maybe it's just too easy...

[Smilin]

OKAYY..OKAYY...
I had him on ignore all of 5 minutes, but curiosity got the better of me...

:whine:

you take medication don't you? like for real...to help with your...depression maybe?

thought so...
michael :)

Real classy Michael. Bringing up someone's medical history as a way of trying to inflame them.

I bet you're the kind of fellow that makes fun of retarded kids too, eh?

Troll!

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i don't know her medical history.

[viscousmemories]

that is laughable, coming from you.
Wow, you didn't even get that I was parotting you? :doh:

[Smilin]

you can call me a nerd back if you want, but you know it isn't true :)
Dude, you flit around town wearing spandex pants and big goggles. If that doesn't make you a nerd I don't know what does.

Actually, that makes him gay I think VM.

:biker2:
ETA the correct smiley.

Didn't mean to insenuate motorcycle riders were gay, there Shelli and Kev.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

that is laughable, coming from you.
Wow, you didn't even get that I was parotting you? :doh:



COMING FROM YOU!

(who didn't get it?)

[viscousmemories]

Oh, right. I keep forgetting you don't realize it's equally laughable coming from you.

[Julie]

You know the more and more TJL posts the more and more he sounds exactly like my Meth addicted Mentally Ill Brother in law.

TJL honestly I think you should seek help, you are not seeing the world like the rest of human kind. I think you should seek medical treatment.


*edited cause my spelling sucks donkey balls

[Beth]

:biker2:
ETA the correct smiley.


So who is this? One of the village boys? Or a prisoner who really likes to make his little prison mates to wear belly shirts and moptop wigs?

[Shelli]

OKAYY..OKAYY...
I had him on ignore all of 5 minutes, but curiosity got the better of me...

:whine:

you take medication don't you? like for real...to help with your...depression maybe?

thought so...
michael :)

Real classy Michael. Bringing up someone's medical history as a way of trying to inflame them.

I bet you're the kind of fellow that makes fun of retarded kids too, eh?

Troll!
He probably does. He and Annie would make a good pair, eh? :troll::troll:

Depression? No. I take Prozac in order to not let all the little shit get to me, you know, like Michael :shit: .

:peace2: :smile:

[Sock Puppet]

There was a certain type that hung out in the Castro District, which we in SF called "the Castro clone." This guy ---> :biker2: is a good approximation.

[Smilin]

:biker2:
ETA the correct smiley.


So who is this? One of the village boys? Or a prisoner who really likes to make his little prison mates to wear belly shirts and moptop wigs?

My guess would be the latter, Beth. :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

You know the more and more TJL posts the more and more he sounds exactly like my Meth addicted Meantall Ill Brother in law.

TJL honsetly I think you should seek help, you are not seeing the world like the rest of human kind.

exactly. i mean...look at the world. i would like to see it change. first thing you need to do is change your mind and how you see things, so i have...

most of the world thinks somebody else is to blame. most of the world has absovled itself of guilt...i can see why you would want to see things that way, but it is that action that just keeps things the same.

maybe i do need medical help, but i don't think so. see, when i was a big drunk i went to a psychologist. there is nothing wrong with me, except slight leanings toward obsessive behaviour. in fact, the psychologist was impressed with my perception of things. i even got to take an iq test. i left there a genius looking for beer :)

michael :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i am sorry you can't handle the little shit, shelli.

i mean, after all...it's only little.


michael :)

[viscousmemories]

Okay, well, I've never been a big fan of gangbangs even if I think they're well-deserved, so I'm bowing out for the time being. Besides, I have to go to work now. In all honesty Michael I think you get far better than you give around here, generally speaking, but I'm sure things look very different from your POV. I know you appreciate this place and like it here for the most part, so I hope for your sake you haven't burned every bridge.

[Sock Puppet]

It's okay, vm. He's still got me.

:hugtroll:

[Smilin]

I'm bowing out too.

Got a design meeting to attend...

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i haven't burned any bridge from my end. unlike the dozen or so people in the girlie-gang, i will forgive and forget in an instant. nobody here is capable of making me carry something around, like animosity. i am far too lazy and nobody's nig...you know ;)

i will go out on my bike and forget it ever happened. no biggie...i spewed all the crap i was holding in and i feel better for it. i might not have made a point with you, but i proved some things to me.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

It's okay, vm. He's still got me.

:hugtroll:

(watch it...i've got my bike shorts on)

[Sock Puppet]

Until your next hissy fit, then. Have a nice bike ride.

[Crumb]

i spewed all the crap i was holding in and i feel better for it.
I hope you understand that it makes everyone else feel worse. :sadcheer:

[Shelli]

It's okay, vm. He's still got me.

:hugtroll:
:giggle:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i spewed all the crap i was holding in and i feel better for it.
I hope you understand that it makes everyone else feel worse. :sadcheer:

i don't care. the crap i was holding in...was them and their nasty actions. i really shouldn't let it bother me so much.


michael :)

[Adam]

i won't know it sock puppet...it is just a word. deconstruct what makes it powerful. i don't give it as much power as you cuz i don't seperate races.

would i say this in the real world...probably not...or maybe i would.

i love how everybody ignores my feelings and zeroes in on that. i should have known better. my problem really was in using that word, but not for the reasons you think...

OK, I usually try to stay out of this shit, even when I read it, but I feel compelled to respond here.

Step back, take a breath, and contemplate the irony of complaining that 'everybody ignores [your] feelings' when they respond to a post of yours where you intentionally use a racial slur to make a point of your own, completely ignoring and belittling the feelings of everyone who's ever been hurt by that slur. Seriously, if you want to compare 'the people on this one forum think I'm irritating' to 'my father was lynched, my mother was forced to sit at the back of the bus, and half the employers in town won't even talk to me' then I think you need evaluate your perspective.

[Beth]

Okay, well, I've never been a big fan of gangbangs even if I think they're well-deserved,You know, I get sent so much gang bang spam that it leads me to think that you are in the minority of males who are not into a good, sporting, gang bang. I mean, even I am beginning to get a little more intrigued with each increasing spam title.

[Shelli]

i spewed all the crap i was holding in and i feel better for it.
I hope you understand that it makes everyone else feel worse. :sadcheer:
No way. It's all about Michael. I know someone from the UF and the other FF that is just like him. He hasn't changed and he's not liable to. They'd make a great tag team. Mean little drama queens. :melo: :dramaq:

[The Jesus Lawyer]

see? see how people just can't help but keep it going...and i am foolish enough to oblige. i have already discussed that i didn't use it thinking of race. race is not my bag. and i actually went back and edited the n-word in the invisible thread BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S FEELINGS. i couldn't do that here because smilin quoted me.

[Adam]

Okay, well, I've never been a big fan of gangbangs even if I think they're well-deserved,You know, I get sent so much gang bang spam that it leads me to think that you are in the minority of males who are not into a good, sporting, gang bang. I mean, even I am beginning to get a little more intrigued with each increasing spam title.

Judging from the spam I get, the only thing most males find more enticing than a good old fashioned gangbang is wholesome downhome incest.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

for those offended by my use of the word nigger, i apologize. i forget how strong race is in people and how fucked up things are in america. i used it for the defintion i quoted. yes, i was over-the-top, but i felt hurt and set upon and lashed out.

anyhow, this is all i will apologize for.

michael :)

[Beth]

Okay, well, I've never been a big fan of gangbangs even if I think they're well-deserved,You know, I get sent so much gang bang spam that it leads me to think that you are in the minority of males who are not into a good, sporting, gang bang. I mean, even I am beginning to get a little more intrigued with each increasing spam title.

Judging from the spam I get, the only thing most males find more enticing than a good old fashioned gangbang is wholesome downhome incest.Or how about those dirty farm girls getting it on with the steer?