Chatters but not posters

[Leesifer]

Edited post. My original post is under the spoiler if anyone's interested.

It's me quoting from chat tonight when Carlos turned up, which pissed me off, because he turns up now and again in chat and totally spoils the atmosphere. The majority of people leave or mark themselves "brb" which is what I should have done.

This is from a few minutes ago in chat:

[00:14] Leesifer: Carlos!
[00:14] Leesifer: You never post on FF
[00:14] Carlos: that's better less
[00:14] godfry n. glad: that I can read just fine.
[00:14] Leesifer: You turn up in chat every so often
[00:15] Leesifer: The reason everybody left chat is because you turned up.
[00:15] Carlos: oh, less, I said I will not
[00:15] Leesifer: Why?
[00:15] Leesifer: Why do you turn up in chat and not post on the forum
[00:15] godfry n. glad: brb...I'm gonna go looking for Costa Rican cats.
[00:15] Carlos: you mean I should not enter the chat?
[00:15] Leesifer: No, I don't mean that at all.
[00:15] Carlos: did you have some kind of trouble with me?
[00:16] Leesifer: I mean that you should not turn up in chat but not post on the forum
[00:16] Carlos: why do you assume they left because of me?
[00:16] Leesifer: No, I don't have any trouble with you Carlos
[00:16] Carlos: it is late at England
[00:16] Carlos: I am Ceptimus friend
[00:17] Leesifer: Besides the point, Carlos. Why chat and not post?
[00:17] Carlos: who do you think left because of me?
[00:17] Carlos: those kind of speculations are not good for people
[00:17] Leesifer: Well, everybody except me, basically and I'm about to leave too. Unless you will start posting
on the forum too.
[00:17] Carlos: I had a nice chat with Godfry last time I joined
[00:18] Leesifer: This is a chat room for the posters on FF Carlos and you don't do that anymore
[00:18] Carlos: what it is your point? I don't get it
[00:19] Leesifer: In fact, I am going to leave chat now. And start a thread quoting these recent posts. If you
want to joint in the thread, you are welcome.

I told Carlos I was going to start a thread about this. He is welcome to join, as I mentioned.

I love the chat room, it makes for faster talking to friends made on the forum. However, it's odd that somebody who posted many times before, only pops by in chat now an again.

[Legs]

You must have left off

[00:20] Thanks, Carlos

[MonCapitan2002]

I don't see a problem with being a chatter and not a poster. This is a relatively social board.

[Plant Woman]

What I want to know is, did Godfry find his Costa Rica cats?

Last time I was in chat when Carlos came in he came on pretty strong, said some pretty rude and crude things to me.

[Legs]

Carlos PM'd me not too long ago asking me to come into chat and talk with him.

As if :nutty:

[Leesifer]

MonCapitan2002, I have no problem with chatters but not posters. As my edit explained, I was pissed off with a particular person, and I should have just ignored it. I didn't, and started a thread. So here's why this particular person pissed me off.

I should have made the thread title "Go away Carlos".

here

here

One pepperspray started on his request

[Joshua Adams]

I left because I figured one way or the other the conversation that had been going on was dead and buried as soon as he entered. It is impossible for everyone to be at ease when he is in the chat.

[Annie]

I left because
It is impossible for everyone to be at ease when he is in the chat.
I read Carlos' words, in this (that was posted, publically) chat; and what "crude, rude" things did he say here??

And why doesn't he post anymore?

Annie

[Joshua Adams]

I never accused Carlos of saying anything crude or rude.

[godfry n. glad]

I was under the assumption that a "Carlos" had been banned from ff. Is this Carlos the same Carlos? I was under the understanding that the first Carlos I'd referred to was a reincarnation of latinjaral...and yet, there was controversy over that claim.

Who is Carlos?

It seems to me to be a common enough Romance name.

And no, I didn't find the cats....well, I can't discern at to which particular locale ceptimus has in mind within Costa Rica, as the small nation seems to have a large number of national parks and wildlife refuges where one might chance to see the particular cat which has now been identified. We know what Waldo is doing, but not exactly where he's doing it.

[Corona688]

I was under the assumption that a "Carlos" had been banned from ff. Nope, he just left. He made a big production out of his own poll over whether he should leave or not, then gloated over a technicality that made it impossible to get enough yes-votes to make him leave, then left anyway, apparently having proven his "point", whatever the hell it was. But didn't leave quite enough, since he's still in chat...Is this Carlos the same Carlos? I was under the understanding that the first Carlos I'd referred to was a reincarnation of latinjaral...and yet, there was controversy over that claim.

Who is Carlos? one of latinjral's friends. Simple as that. Their IPs aren't anywhere close, and their posting style's different even if they've got some of the same beefs.

[ceptimus]

Who is Carlos?Carlos Swett is an artist, residing in Ecuador. He is famous for his murals.

http://www.vistazo.com/gye_renac/img/Arte%20Bajo%20El%20Puente%20Swett.jpg

Translated from this page (http://www.vistazo.com/gye_renac/arte.htm)
Most of the murals of Guayaquil are a tropical explosion of colour, but these murals by Carlos Swett, located in front of the cemetery, are more sober. Swett uses reconstituted stone to make murals with relief that emphasize light and shade. The base colour is a celestial blue, with light and dark divisions that evoke to the colors of Guayaquil. “Because of the proximity of the cemetery, it would have been innapropriate to incorporate primary colours", explains Swett, "so I made this work using only sober colours”.

In the second series the figures (on six pillars) represent people of the coast: the student, the worker, the fisherman, a cattle herder, dancers, etc.

Carlos Swett thinks that the mural must convey an easily understandable message to all. “I would say that the mural was the first form of journalism.”

The artist is son of the well-known muralist guayaquileño Jorge Swett. Carlos gained much of his experience in the art of murals during a sixteen year period working with his father. “All that allowed me to face the challenge. Murals are hard work and require a lot of sacrifice and sweat”, he says. Even so, he enjoys working in the street - the public tell him of their appreciation of his art and exchange ideas and details that enrich the artist and his work.

[ceptimus]

I can't say that I left the chat last night just because Carlos joined. It was late for me, and I was thinking of going to bed anyway.

When Carlos joined and the other chatters began to leave, that was what made my mind up. I decided to leave as well.

It's a shame that Carlos has this divisive effect on people; sometimes he can be friendly and have some interesting things to say, but on other occasions he has been too provocative - many people think that he is being deliberately hurtful, and sometimes, he probably is.

I think part of the problem is that his reputation for causing trouble (which happened at the JREF forum first, so far as I know) goes before him, so people are rightly suspicious of him from the the get-go and their attitude provokes a bad response from Carlos - it's a vicious circle.

Anyway, I can be an asshole myself at times, so who am I to condemn another poster? The :ff: has the slogan, 'think what you like, and say what you think ...' so it would be wrong of me to blame Carlos for doing just that.

It seems from Lees' transcript that Carlos didn't say anything that should have upset anyone last night, so those of us who left were pre-judging him based on his perceived reputation and the actions of others. That's a shame.

I do agree with Lees that it would be better if Carlos would post here in the threads, and try to avoid upsetting people. Maybe, if people began to see him in a new light, he'd then be able to come to the chat room without driving other chatters away.

[viscousmemories]

The :ff: has the slogan, 'think what you like, and say what you think ...' so it would be wrong of me to blame Carlos for doing just that.
Well, I have never blamed Carlos for thinking what he likes and saying what he thinks. It's what he likes to think and say that I have objected to. I believe if Oliver Wendell Holmes intended to imply "without criticism" in that quote, he would've added something to that effect.

It seems from Lees' transcript that Carlos didn't say anything that should have upset anyone last night, so those of us who left were pre-judging him based on his perceived reputation and the actions of others. That's a shame.
I was the first to leave, and I left for the same reason I have disallowed PM contact from him and I would put him on ignore if he chose to start posting here again: I desire to avoid interacting with him in any way, shape or form. The reason being that the few things he has posted that I've found interesting come nowhere near making it worth it to endure the unsolicited forum administration advice, presumptuous personal comments and blatant insults he has lobbed at me over the years. I'm not remotely ashamed of exercising my right to choose who I interact with on the basis of their prior behavior. I believe it's a perfectly healthy and reasonable thing to do.

I would have simply placed him on ignore in chat but for technical problems with the feature (ie. people get a big pop-up message notifying them that they're being ignored and people can't ignore admins) which drove me to publicly announce that I would not use the ignore feature in chat until we resolve those issues.

[ceptimus]

I would have simply placed him on ignore in chat...
That's a good idea for most of us though. I urge that in future, non-admins should make use of this 'ignore in chat' feature, rather than leave the chatroom altogether.

Is there a way that non-admins can place someone on ignore without them seeing the pop-up message?

[Legs]

so those of us who left were pre-judging him based on his perceived reputation and the actions of others. That's a shame.



It appears people left due to their first hand experience with Carlos, not his perceived reputation.

[viscousmemories]

Is there a way that non-admins can place someone on ignore without them seeing the pop-up message?
Not yet, unfortunately. It would require editing the Flash source and I don't even have the software to do that.

[ceptimus]

so those of us who left were pre-judging him based on his perceived reputation and the actions of others. That's a shame.



It appears people left due to their first hand experience with Carlos, not his perceived reputation.Yes. I'm sorry, I didn't put that at all well. I know that Carlos has been nasty to some people, and I don't blame them for not wanting to share a chatroom with him.

[Ensign Steve]

Wow, weird. The one time I saw Carlos in chat, he was talking about art. Pretty interesting stuff.

My husband is a member here, but his post count is like zero or something close to that. He's come into chat on occasion, though, I never thought that'd be an issue. I mean lurkers are members, too, right? :)

[MonCapitan2002]

Your husband is an :ff: member? He should post more dagnabbit!

[Beth]

I'm not in the chat room much but, when I am, I've never met Carlos in there. But I do agree, JD, Carlos is very interesting when he talks about his art. I'm not going to comment one way or another about Carlos, but I do agree with you that lurkers are members and I don't have a problem with them chatting if they are civil.

I do understand people wanting to avoid certain posters, however. There have been times that I had the time to sit and chat in the chat room and I declined because certain members were in it.

[viscousmemories]

Leesifer mentioned in chat last night (later) that she had started this thread out of anger at Carlos' behavior specifically, and regrets that it came off sounding like she objects to members in general chatting without posting. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone here holds that only active posters should ever join chat.

[Dingfod]

I found it funny that when Carlos was in chat a few weeks ago, talking about his art, being quite civil as I mostly lurked, signed off almost immediately when someone pointed out that Dingfod = Warren.

[Plant Woman]

It seems from Lees' transcript that Carlos didn't say anything that should have upset anyone last night, so those of us who left were pre-judging him based on his perceived reputation and the actions of others. That's a shame.

I left because of how he treated me in chat the last time I had an encounter with him. I didn't know who he was. He said some pretty rude and crude things to me that were disturbing and abusive.

[Leesifer]

My husband is a member here, but his post count is like zero or something close to that. He's come into chat on occasion, though, I never thought that'd be an issue. I mean lurkers are members, too, right?

It's not an issue for me, Steve. I really should have named this thread, "Carlos is a pain in the arse".

Leesifer mentioned in chat last night (later) that she had started this thread out of anger at Carlos' behavior specifically, and regrets that it came off sounding like she objects to members in general chatting without posting. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone here holds that only active posters should ever join chat.

Exactly!

[The Jesus Lawyer]

girlie gang. :)

[viscousmemories]

Troll. :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

if carlos is such a bother, why do you?

nm...rhetorical... :)

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Troll. :)

lol...touche :)