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Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill | Mad In America

Why anti-authoritarian like men are generally called "crazy"??
Why all type of authoritarians(Conservatives,liberals,social democrats,socialists,communists,left-anarchists,enviromentalists etc) hate libertarians so much?

Why people call us "crazy" "autistic" "sociopath" just because we don't agree with their regressive policies and stealing from Paul to pay Peter?

now all the dots are connected

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Have you been diagnosed as mentally ill? Is that what this explains?

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Ok look, liv missed a spambot! Oh dear ...

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Also, don't flatter yourself AynMiseryLolbertarian. You're not anti-authoritarian; you're a spoiled, lazy asshole.

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And, after all, how is babby formed?

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I've yet to encounter a self described Libertarian that wasn't a whiny, self absorbed, entitled little shit with zero compassion for their fellow humans.

ETA: After reading the article in question, the whole thing about mental illness wrt Libertarianism is just some red herring not even worth talking about

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lol Not everyone you disagree with is an authoritarian, dude.

Why people call us "crazy" "autistic" "sociopath"

They should have that freedom with your blessing, surely?

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They're out there, it's just that they've been hijacked, much like the modern "Republican" party is basically a hijack of an existing group, some of whom are still out there looking really, really, confused.

Basically, if you advocate freedom, you attract people who think that, to quote the Great Poet Zappa, "free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing we want to be free". These people outnumber the sane people, because they always outnumber everyone. :)

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Yeah, I tried to differentiate between libertarian and Self Described Libertarian for that reason. I know people who hold to many libertarian ideas (and even I have what could be described as libertarian leanings in some contexts), but do not call themselves Libertarian or spout off about how they're being repressed and authoritized upon all the time, or quote fucking Ayn Rand every day, nor give less than a shit about other people.

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WRONG PAUL!!

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I think there's a few holdouts, but they're mostly the ones who haven't noticed that the word done been taken from them.

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The only remotely reasonable "libertarians" I've encountered were just people who got suckered into that weird dichotomy the libertarian party uses to trick naive people into thinking that, effectively, they're the only party that opposes any kind of regulation at all.

It's mostly a bunch of kids who want pot decriminalized and recently saw the withholdings on their first paycheck and haven't really stopped to think about what those taxes go toward.

Their support base is and always has been made up of evil, greedy old people furiously defending their privilege, and ignorant kids who haven't really thought things through yet.

That said, I do think there's a some truth to the position in that article. It seems pretty obvious that the definition of 'mental health' would align pretty closely with the personality type that would choose mental health careers; and that other types would be disproportionately pathologized.

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I don't think anti-authoritarian = Libertarian, nor are most people I consider liberal authoritarian or pro-authoritarian.

Though there may be something to that article, I think AML's interpretation was way off base.

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While this may well be the case, there seems to be a fairly long-running line of people who actually have a somewhat coherent position. It's just that they've been outnumbered.

There are plenty of people who are offended precisely because they do know what a lot of their tax dollars go towards. We've spent thousands of dollars and my spouse has spent months crippled because our tax dollars went to providing for an elaborate new land development code which no one understands and people whose job is to reflexively say "no" to everything and lie to cover up that they had previously said yes. You better believe I would be all in favor of a massive reduction in the amount of zoning and code we have around here.

Look at it this way: Look at the Uterati thread. Look at all the (totally reasonable) outrage about all the crazy rules our government is passing. Look at my friend who has to have a doctor certify that she needs treatment before she can get health coverage, without which she is not allowed to see a doctor.

That's where I've met people IRL who self-identify as libertarians. None of them object to rules like "you must have a qualified contractor do any work on gas lines". That's a good rule. But stuff like "you can't sell books after 6PM"? Not so good.

Yes. Thus stuff like "neurodiversity".

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It is the usual "I can roughly shoehorn my world-view into this by re-defining some terms and over-generalizing some others, so I am going to breathlessly post it as if it is proof positive that my worldview is correct!"

Still, if he wasn't there, I would have to invent him. He makes me feel so justified in thinking that libertarians are either ignorant assholes or dumb fucks who have been bamboozled into actively opposing their own interests.

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See what I mean? That does not make me feel smug and superior at all, and actually forces me to take the brain off idling mode. Obviously the wrong kind of Libertarian.

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Yes, but that's exactly my point. The libertarian party has worked very hard to convince politically naive people they're libertarians if they oppose any rule, regulation, or tax. They try to create a false dichotomy where they're the only political party that opposes any type of government control at all, making everyone else effectively fascists or something.

That's just not true, and it never has been; and only someone who knows virtually nothing about politics at all would believe that the fact that they oppose any zoning rule, development code, or other excessive government intrusion makes them a libertarian.

Also, you know who fucking LOVES government mandated sonograms? RONPAUL does.

Maybe there really are a few real, dyed in the wool, full libertarians. They'd be straight up evil, of course. But the rest of them seem to be people who hold political opinions well within normal, non-lolbert circles, and have been tricked into thinking that they're special or something and that all non-lolberts are extreme authoritarians who would literally regulate everything possible.

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I'm not sure that real ones would be evil. Wrong as to fact claims, I'd buy, but "evil" is a question of intent, not of ability to predict future outcomes. :)

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Yawn. Are you back?

Ever gonna man up and answer the long list of key questions you asspedaled your way out of when you retreated last time?


You're the product of a socialist country, paid for by socialist education system, with two parents who essentially paid for everything you want.

Tell us one more time about what a courageous champion of the new economic frontier you are, you sleazy little leech.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure that even the dots are against you. Oh, look! It's a drawing of a dick! Slightly limp, but hey....

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/...cbc0873b3e.jpg

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:lolbert:

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A major flaw in the Libertarian fantasy is that the whole thing breaks down when it comes to what I would describe as broadcast externalities. If you or your firm are going to emit any pollutant that could adversely effect random others, to follow the philosophy, you would have to go around to each person in range and ask their permission, work out some agreement. That is impossible. I'm p. sure that's why most hardcore Randists are never pro environment, always pro extractive without limit, and downplay the effects of pollutants. To do otherwise, the fantasy unravels. Conveniently for them, they can always claim that any regulation is an affront to their own negative rights.

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Libertarianism and Communism are both brilliant systems for running societies composed of some species which is not ours.

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"What's mine is mine and fuck you" is a pretty evil mindset, don't you think?

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That's the fake ones who claim to value liberty because it's a good cover for what they want. The real ones would be the ones who were consistent about valuing liberty for other people as well, for instance. And I don't think that's straight-up evil. Likely to produce bad outcomes, sure.

Keep in mind, at least one subset of "libertarians" is people who are themselves inclined to be generous, and who simply assume that, if the government weren't taking all this money to pay for social programs, people would do it individually with a lot less bureaucratic overhead. That was my assumption for a long time; I was genuinely surprised to find that most people who can consistently feed themselves don't usually have at least one or two freeloaders that they're covering for. I mean, why wouldn't you?

Answer: Because other people are not all like me.