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The Man 04-27-2012 11:49 PM
General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
We have a thread for DADT and one for gay marriage but there isn't really a thread for other issues (or at least, not one with semi-recent posts). I guess I could post these things in one of those threads but it feels weird doing so so I'm starting a new one. Plus this story kind of deserves to be the start of a thread. I don't really have the words to do it justice though so I'm posting it without comment.

A Teen's Brave Response to "I'm Christian, Unless You're Gay"

Watser? 04-28-2012 12:03 AM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
Hold on, what's the IA in LGBTQIA stand for? Also what is the difference between Gay and Queer, because I don't actually know that and am too lazy to look it up (but somehow not too lazy to type this, although it's more work).

Jeroll 04-28-2012 12:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Watser? (Post 1053381)
Hold on, what's the IA in LGBTQIA stand for?
Iowa.

He wants a thread about LGBTQ in Iowa.
Don't ask me why.

The Man 04-28-2012 12:36 AM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
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Originally Posted by Watser? (Post 1053381)
Hold on, what's the IA in LGBTQIA stand for? Also what is the difference between Gay and Queer, because I don't actually know that and am too lazy to look it up (but somehow not too lazy to type this, although it's more work).
Intersex and asexual. And the Q can stand for either "Questioning" or "Queer", the latter of which is an umbrella term for all people who are not heterosexual, heteronormative, or gender-binary, although its use is still controversial.

erimir 04-28-2012 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by The Man (Post 1053377)
I liked this well enough, but I did not like the original article that the kid was responding to.

Crumb 04-28-2012 12:48 AM
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I had the same reaction.

LadyShea 04-28-2012 01:45 AM
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This line was awesome
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its time to stop letting people’s hate stop me from being happy

Kael 04-28-2012 05:01 AM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
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Originally Posted by erimir (Post 1053394)
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man (Post 1053377)
I liked this well enough, but I did not like the original article that the kid was responding to.
Yeah, for me whether you believe something is a sin or an abomination is right at the heart of the issue, and to believe that any significant portion of the population will be able or willing to treat people they truly believe are tainted or evil with anything like human dignity and respect is... I don't know... starry-eyed idealism, maybe, doomed to disappointment. In any case it's not going to happen.

The discrimination of any class of people only goes away when the stigma of their behavior/circumstance/appearance/etc. fades away. It's nice to talk of peace despite stigmatizing rhetoric and dogma, and love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin, but people just don't work that way.

SR71 04-28-2012 05:16 AM
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Q for questioning is new to me. It seems like a good term.

Waluigi 04-28-2012 12:10 PM
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Homophobic? Maybe You're Gay

Vivisectus 04-28-2012 02:34 PM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
I will buy the whole "hate the sin, not the sinner" bullcrap once Christians start campaigning to have divorce outlawed and single out divorcees for special negative attention. Since that is not happening I must conclude it is the usual mealy-mouthed apologist bullshit.

ChuckF 04-28-2012 02:40 PM
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I am not particularly optimistic about NC's Amendment One measure, but there is some positive momentum to defeat it. And since there is no contested Republican primary, conservative turnout may not be so high. Nonetheless, I expect that the Good Christians of this state will not pass up the opportunity to show how they love everyone by constitutionalizing their homophobia.

Waluigi 04-28-2012 04:16 PM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
In New York State, we have a name for same-sex unions. We call them "marriages".

Ymir's blood 04-28-2012 11:31 PM
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livius drusus 04-29-2012 12:32 AM
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What Happens When a Quiverfull Dad Becomes a Woman?

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Some time later, Melissa's husband confessed that he had been reading a lot about transsexual people on the internet, and that he felt like he might be a "transsexual"; he'd always felt like he was born in the wrong body, had mourned not being able to be a mother, and coveted his sisters' long hair when he was young.

The two talked, and talked, and talked, and talked about what to do about her husband's dilemma. At this point, he was an ordained pastor and they had three children. She talked to a priest, who dismissed her husband's problem as a sexual disorder (he was an aggressive gay! He just wanted his own vagina to play with!) and she consulted the internet, discovering that her brand of Christianity believed that being transgender was caused by childhood trauma. Her husband had no such problem.

Instead of quashing his desire to present in a more feminine way, Melissa encouraged her husband to be the person he felt he should be. He grew his hair long, began working out, and began dressing differently. Meanwhile! Melissa realized that she'd always been sexually attracted to women, and that her husband's gender had no effect on the fact that she loved him. And also meanwhile! Church leaders noticed that her husband was carrying a purse around and wearing eyeliner and acting more feminine, which they attributed to satanic intervention. Melissa was over dudes, Melissa's husband was over being a dude, the church was over both of them, and they were over the church.

After much trepidation, Melissa's husband decided to begin living as a woman. And because Melissa is attracted to women and loves her spouse, they stayed together and Melissa came out as a lesbian and the two left the church.

erimir 04-29-2012 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by livius drusus (Post 1053660)
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he was an aggressive gay! He just wanted his own vagina to play with!
:lolwut:

:lol:

Christians have funny ideas sometimes.

BrotherMan 04-29-2012 05:45 AM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
I really don't know where this belongs.

Watser? 04-29-2012 03:48 PM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckF (Post 1053485)
I am not particularly optimistic about NC's Amendment One measure, but there is some positive momentum to defeat it. And since there is no contested Republican primary, conservative turnout may not be so high. Nonetheless, I expect that the Good Christians of this state will not pass up the opportunity to show how they love everyone by constitutionalizing their homophobia.
More momentum:
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Thursday, the NAACP announced a statewide media campaign to "expose the truth" about Amendment One. Rev. Barber ties amendment proponents to the "same regressive, ultra-conservative Tea Party type folks" that have sought to roll back every progressive advance in education, voting and worker's rights, and attempts to repeal the Racial Justice Act. These are, of course, progressive advances we all collectively cherish, but also ones of particular concern for communities of color.

Rev. Barber references the revelation of National Organization for Marriage's abhorrent plan to drive a wedge between two key Democratic constituencies and says they "now somehow think the sons and daughters of the Civil Rights Movement cannot see through their Trojan Horse trick."

The NC NAACP will be running radio spots, robocalls, newspaper ads, and using their grassroots network in 50 county branches to work to defeat Amendment One.
Daily Kos: North Carolina NAACP launches unprecedentedÂ*media campaign against Amendment One

ChuckF 05-01-2012 04:58 PM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
This is probably what Jesus would do.

Watser? 05-01-2012 07:19 PM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
Video: Amendment 1 pastor gives parents 'special dispensation' to use violence against LGBT kids!!! - Good As You:: Gay and Lesbian Activism With a Sense of Humor

Actually it's audio, not video. Here's more of this bag of piss posing as a pastor:

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you...Good+As+You%29

Ari 05-01-2012 07:43 PM
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Woa it sounds like if Donald Trump's toupee became a pastor.
monotone pastor"Man up son, get that dress off you, and get outside and dig a ditch, cause that's what boys do!"

Stripping cross dressing 4 year old boys doing manual labor, that fetish is catholic church worthy! :livpope:


:willie:

LadyShea 05-01-2012 07:47 PM
Re: General LGBTQIA issues thread
 
Okay following some links above I came across this

National Organization for Marriage Releases Evidence Showing That Stolen Tax Return Came From the Internal Revenue Service, Demands Criminal Investigation | NOM Blog

And then this Mitt Romney's PAC Funded Anti-Gay Marriage Group Under The Radar

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when the pro-gay rights Human Rights Campaign was sent a private IRS filing from NOM via a whistleblower
and this

Press Releases | Human Rights Campaign

I am interested in the legalize references on file for future review with regard to getting this document and prosecutatorial repercussions of the same, especially considering the important image layers so reminiscent of the faked birth certificate Obama made

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After software removed the layers obscuring the document, it is shown that the document came from the Internal Revenue Service. The top of each page says, ""THIS IS A COPY OF A LIVE RETURN FROM SMIPS. OFFICIAL USE ONLY." On each page of the return is stamped a document ID of "100560209." Only the IRS would have the Form 990 with "Official Use" information.

ChuckF 05-01-2012 10:26 PM
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So a couple of weeks ago Mitt Romney hired a ghey and today that ghey quit because of how everybody was hating him for being gay. I kind of like how conservatives are all gaspy over this gay dude, and then they are like "Oh yeah, Condoleezza Rice, excellent, oh yeah, Lindsey Graham, super." Seriously, guys.

LadyShea 05-01-2012 10:43 PM
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I love how it was still the Liberal's doing, somehow.
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But R. Clarke Cooper, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans, a group that advocates for gay Republicans, did not fault conservatives for forcing Grenell out of his job.
LOL those Log Cabin guys are I don't even know what...apologists for their oppressors, does that have a single word for it?

ChuckF 05-01-2012 10:46 PM
Uncle Tom. The phrase you're looking for is Uncle Tom.


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