Homosexuality in the Bible
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"My secrets are not sold cheaply," he said softly.
The Old Man of the Mountain stamped his foot, and a great crack appeared in the earth, and our poor mules brayed in terror as they plunged down into blackness with the cartload of treasure; he waved his hand, and the crack closed as though it had never been. "It is perilous to waste my time," he whispered. --J.D. |
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Critical analysis here: The Bible Does Not Affirm Homosexual Activity or Homosexual Marriage « stasis online
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And by critical analysis you mean hardcore fundamentalist denialism.
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Vine's primary point in the presentation is not whether homosexual relationships are normal/healthy/acceptable/ok. Rather his primary point is whether the Bible supports the idea. And so long as your position on the Bible is one of taking it as authoritative, then it doesnt matter whether you have a moderately liberal interpretation of the Bible or whether you are a hard core fundamentalist in your interpretation - it's just about what that book says. All sides agree that most English translations imply that homosexual sexual relationships are illicit for Christians, that there is controversy over the 6 or so passages that are usually translated as referring to homosexuality, and that the New Testament passages that clearly describe relationships for Christians portray either eunuchs/singleness or heterosexual marriage. I know it seems hardcore these days to say anything about homosexuality not being an option in all cases and all environments, but the Bible is what it is. Vines doesnt have to follow it - there are many other non-biblical religions to choose from. |
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Ah ok - so bigotry is not just for fundamentalists? And if gay people don't like it they can always fuck off?
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In accepting the 'bigotry' charge though, Im not saying that gays cant be Christian. Im just saying that according to the Bible, a gay Christian cant have gay sex, much in the same way that a Christian alcoholic cant get drunk. |
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This thread was originally a comment thread to an article by Doctor X. Unfortunately the article is no longer -- Doc X deleted it -- so I'm splitting the comments into a thread of their own.
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I was gonna ask, why did he delete them all? Fit of pique, or something else going on?
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The former, although I suppose from his perspective he was wronged, see the exchange at the end of this thread. After that, he took down his avatar and sig and deleted all his articles.
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Where does Jesus, in the New Testament, condemn gay sex? Quote:
Why would God create gays, and then tell them they can't act on the feelings that God himself created? Is God a sadist? :chin: |
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Where in the Bible does it say that alcoholics can't get drunk?
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What about the relationship between David and Jonathan, where the two shared each other's nakedness, or something like that? I don't recall where it was, because it was something somebody had pointed out way back when. Anyway, when I read it myself, it seemed to suggest this is the type of relationship they had (homosexual), without implying there was something wrong with it.
I suppose if you Google, "Jonathan, David and homosexual," you might be able to find that particular passage. |
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There may be more to it than this, but this was all I could find for now. |
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Doc X left? That is too bad. I rather liked him.
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Stop that! -ed
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Wow, so many questions!
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* The fact that both David and Jonathan had children (2 Samuel 4:4, 2 Samuel 3:5 etc) and David had multiple wives. * The fact that traditionally, Judaism has understood homosexual intercourse as contrary to gods wishes, and even in the above video clip, the pro-gay presenter acknowledges that the early parts of the Old Testament outlaw it. * The fact that David was so special in the overall Old Testament narrative. Would someone this special engage is such sin without apparent relevant reprimand in the scriptures? The Bible is very supportive of love though, and does not teach against close non-sexual relationships between friends. Even Jesus had a man he was very close to, hence the reference to "the disciple that Jesus loved" (John 21:20). |
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