What the fuck, Florida?
It's high past time time we had a general thrad for all the idiocy my state shits out. So here we go. First of all the Florida court system has ruled that it is acceptable for officials to restrict civilians from giving food to the homeless. Luckily, in a valiant attempt to prove that not all people from this state are arseholes, Food Not Bombs have declared that they will continue to do so anyway.
Next, the Florida legislature have declared that church and state are not separate. Needless to say it's pretty clear that none of them have heard of a trivial little detail called the First Amendment, and it is completely inevitable that this will end up being fought in court, almost certainly at the taxpayers' expense. The Florida legislature aren't the only ones who want to violate the constitution on the taxpayers' expense, because Rick Scott has declared his intention to drug test literally everyone who works for the state government four times a year, despite the fact that this is a very clear violation of the Fourth Amendment. This comes on the heels of his announcement that everyone in the state who receives welfare will also be drug tested. It would be class warfare to point out that his wife owns and operates a drug testing clinic, so I won't. Scott has announced that challenges to this manoeuvre will be fielded entirely at taxpayer expense. So there's a little taste of what the three branches of the Florida state government have been up to. There is not a one of them that does not deserve to be completely dismantled. |
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What the hell is up with your Cops?
Seems like many of the stories in the fuck the cops thread involve Florida cops. The guy who started the "photography is not a crime" blog lives in Florida and did so after being arrested and falsely accused by a cop for taking photos in public. |
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Florida is in a vicious battle with Texas for the title "Most Fucked Up State WRT Like Rights and Stuff"...be sure to help your favorite by providing stories!
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I don't know which is the most fucked up - Arizona, Texas, or Florida.
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People who use drugs/commit crimes/act weird shouldn't be allowed to feed their kids or get medical treatment or keep a roof over their heads! That's what Jesus said, right here in Methuselah 3:14!
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It's also worth pointing out that David Cay Johnston article Maturin poasted elsewhere, since the poor are going to paying the largest share of the bill for this anyway. Relevant quote: Quote:
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Yes, you are correct; I misread the summary when I posted the thread and forgot to change it within the edit window after I actually read the story. It is now too late to correct my OP.
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Aha! Someone else fails at reading articles, just like me.
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"I'm gonna drug test public workers four times a year and drug test welfare recipients as well. Challenges to my unconstitutional decisions and blatant cronyism to funnel business to my wife's company must be paid for by the public dime" - gotcha there, sport. I was trying to think of the last time something as utterly outlandish as this was proposed by a Democratic governor.....oh, wait: never. |
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I'm sure there must have been some Dixiecrat governor somewhere in history that did something equally heinous. But there almost certainly haven't been any since Nixon's Southern Strategy caused the realignment of the parties.
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They are the innocent victims of the goat-fucking red states. :sadyup:
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Allowing the government and church to intermingle means the government has far more control over what religion gets taught to the masses as well as influence over who gets to share what beliefs. There is a reason the writers of the Constitution took great pains to separate Church and State. Combining the two benefits no one but those who seek to manipulate one of or both institutions for their own selfish ends. |
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Federal civilian government employees are subject to routine drug testing, at least in DoT and DHS, this hasn't proven to be much of a Constitutional issue. Indeed, when I hold a drug test in my unit, I specifically have to read out that 'There is no probable cause or reasonable suspicion that anyone is the unit is using drugs' to emphasise that the mandatory testing is purely non-specific. (I have to do one a quarter, it's at my discretion as to when in that quarter). What's the difference between having to take a test to see if you're intoxicated on marijuana just because you happen to be working for the government vs taking a test to see if you're intoxicated on alcohol just because you happen to be exercising your freedom of movement? NTM |
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And there's also a pretty big difference between operating a motor vehicle on a public roadway and sitting at a desk typing. Including the obvious difference between how your actions might affect others', and the fact that driving on public roadways is not considered a legal right. |
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DUI 'searches' depend largely on arguments that getting a driver's license implies consent--which is where the 'right vs. privilege' argument comes in, and on reasonable suspicion. Quote:
Private employers get away with it because private employers aren't bound by the constitution. The government, even in its role as an employer, is, although there have been any number of attempts, some successful, to chip away at the fourth amendment to allow it. Wholesale drug testing is expensive, ineffective, and unnecessarily intrusive; and the only real tangible benefit it provides is to those who profit from it. |
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The past drug use may not even be illegal.
The 5 main tested for drugs, 1 Cannabinoids. Illegal name: Marijuana, Hash. Legal RX name: Marinol. 2 Cocaine. Illegal name: Crack. Legal RX Name: None. 3 Amphetamines. Illegal name: Speed, Meth. Legal RX Name: Desoxyn, ProCentra. 4 Opiates. Illegal name: Heroin. Legal RX name: Morphine. Vicodin. 5 PCP. Ilegal name: Angel Dust. Legal RX name: None Extended, common additions to the top 5, 6 Barbiturates Illegal name: Barbs. Legal RX name: Luminal 7 Benzodiazepines Illegal name: Benzo. Legal RX name: Xanax, Valium 8 Alcohol. Legal RX name: Captain Morgan. Not scheduled but most abused. 9 MDMA. Illegal name: Ecstasy. Legal RX name: None While each of these drugs are at different levels of control and some are given out more frequently than others, it's possible to be legally on 6 of the 9 listed here. One way you could look at this is the government isn't angry people are using drugs, they are angry they aren't using drugs from government sanctioned suppliers. |
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Isn't cocaine still used medically as an anesthetic and vasoconstrictor? As I recall my dad got a cocaine-imbued cotton ball stuffed up his nose when he had to get it cauterized for repeated nosebleeds.
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Is that what he told you? LOL
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It's still used for lacrimal duct surgery, it has some untoward effects, but in general it's a good local anesthetic.
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