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Old 04-27-2012, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: A Revolution in Thought: Part Two

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If we see in real time, why does the slow moving debris (in the form of neutrinos) from distant supernovae reach us at the same time as we see it happen?
Maybe it's a warning that a supernova is about to occur so what we are seeing is the actual explosion.
What does that even mean?

If Lessans was correct and we see in real time, with no light travel delay, we would always, always see the supernova quite some time (decades at least) before we detected the neutrinos...without exception.

Neutrinos travel slightly under the speed of light, so they would be subject to a travel delay while seeing the supernova would happen without the delay.
There is a lot of controversy surrounding the speed of neutrinos, therefore it is premature to use this as evidence in favor of afferent vision.

Neutrinos still faster than light in latest version of experiment | Science | guardian.co.uk

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Let me ask you this. If only the visible spectrum is subject to real time seeing, would that necessarily mean that we could see something before we are able to detect the non-visible light? If only the brain and eyes are efferent, then the light speed delay would apply to that light the brain can't see through the eyes.
White light, or the full visible spectrum, travels at a finite speed so it takes time for that light to be detected, just as it takes time to detect non-visible light.

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For example another supernova. If Lessans was correct and your model based on his idea was valid, we would see the supernova immediately, but we would not be able to detect the ultraviolet, infrared, gamma rays, etc. until they traveled to our detectors, correct?
That would be a great way to determine distance, a simple formula using the time we see something and the time the non-visible electromagnetic radiation reached us.
I think that's true because light energy is always traveling at a finite speed. That's like saying we would see the Sun explode instantly but it would take 8.3 minutes for the energy from the Sun to reach Earth.
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