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Old 04-16-2012, 11:04 PM
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:26 PM
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This continued separation of police from the rest of the civilian population really does bug me. It differs from the original concepts of policing, and only in more recent American dictionaries has the term come to describe police in the 'not civilian' category.
But you realize this was mostly hyperbole, right?
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:42 PM
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Thanks to Brian Beckmann, a Captain with the Miami-Dade Fire & Rescue Department, we can finally put this mess to bed. Seems that the special prosecutor was just "blow[ing] herself and her staff for 5 minutes before pre-passing judgement on George Zimmerman." The real problem here is the shiftless "ghetto hoodie look" colored thugs and their "failed, shitbag, ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents[.]"

Well now, that's a relief. Case dismissed with prejudice, no record.
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:48 PM
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Can we just fire all of Florida now and get it over with?
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:42 AM
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But you realize this was mostly hyperbole, right?
The gist of the comment at large, yes.

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Old 04-17-2012, 05:22 AM
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"ghetto hoodie look"
I like how so many people imagine Trayvon walking down the middle of the street in blazing hot weather, flashing gang signs with his hoodie up. Instead of reality where it was raining at night and so you put your rain hood up not to get your head wet. Oh and some creep in a car is watching you.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:47 AM
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From Stephen Maturin's post:
Brian Beckmann, facebooking itI and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, shitbag, ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Ms. Corey, we speak only the truth.

Hullabaloo points out as an aside that Trayvon Martin's parents are middle class, working parents, you know, in case that mattered when arguing with assholes with deep thoughts on "urban youths". But Martin's mother and father definitely failed as parents. They didn't teach their son to not be black in a gated Florida community guarded by a paranoid vigilante with a gun.

The main thing to remember is there is one person who is not a fault here: Zimmerman. I mean what happened was a tragedy, you know, like an earthquake or a flood. But what can you do, right? I mean, other than not getting into an unnecessary confrontation and not resorting to shooting an unarmed teenager dead.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:56 AM
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Yeah, when are those people going to learn to stop being ni(CLANG!)s? They got no one to blame but themselves, amirite?
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But what can you do, right? I mean, other than not getting into an unnecessary confrontation and not resorting to shooting an unarmed teenager dead.
Following someone is not a confrontation. If it were, private investigators would have a serous problem. Neither is asking someone you don't know to stop and talk to you. If that were a crime, I'll be first to cheer when chuggers and poll-takers are arrested.

There is a theory that the confrontation which did result was started by Zimmerman and that he is lying. There is another which states that it was started by Martin, and that Zimmerman is not lying. Why not wait and see what the trial, if any, concludes to have been the case?
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But what can you do, right? I mean, other than not getting into an unnecessary confrontation and not resorting to shooting an unarmed teenager dead.
Following someone is not a confrontation. If it were, private investigators would have a serous problem. Neither is asking someone you don't know to stop and talk to you. If that were a crime, I'll be first to cheer when chuggers and poll-takers are arrested.

There is a theory that the confrontation which did result was started by Zimmerman and that he is lying. There is another which states that it was started by Martin, and that Zimmerman is not lying. Why not wait and see what the trial, if any, concludes to have been the case?
You seem to have missed the point where the asshole shot him to death. Which of course would never have happened if the self-appointed vigilante hadn't disregarded 9/11 and started following Martin around to show what big balls he had, the defender of his reptilian gated community against a kid armed with -- what? Twizzlers or something was in his pocket? LOL
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:28 PM
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But what can you do, right? I mean, other than not getting into an unnecessary confrontation and not resorting to shooting an unarmed teenager dead.
Following someone is not a confrontation. If it were, private investigators would have a serous problem. Neither is asking someone you don't know to stop and talk to you. If that were a crime, I'll be first to cheer when chuggers and poll-takers are arrested.

There is a theory that the confrontation which did result was started by Zimmerman and that he is lying. There is another which states that it was started by Martin, and that Zimmerman is not lying. Why not wait and see what the trial, if any, concludes to have been the case?
So far there are a lot of descriptions, and it is indeed not 100% clear what happened. So if you have counter claims to the following please help me out. But here's what I understand so far:
1. Zimmerman followed Martin in his car.
2. Zimmerman got out of the car and began following Martin on foot.
3. Martin was aware that he was being followed, if descriptions of his supposed phone conversation are accurate. As well, he increased his pace, apparently to move away from Zimmerman.

Yes, what exactly it is that happened next is not clear, and open to a lot of rank speculation. But Zimmerman was not a private detective. Zimmerman was not a poll-taker. And last time I checked it is also not a crime to walk down the street, or wear a hoodie, or be black. Zimmerman brought a handgun into a confrontation- one that certainly would not have occurred had he not been following Martin, that much is sure- and then killed Martin with it. And unless one of them was going to beat the other to death with their bare hands, local masonry, or a bottle of ice tea, it is much more likely that both men would now be alive, and we could hear from both Zimmerman and Martin as to what happened about a fight, rather than a killing.
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Following someone is not a confrontation. If it were, private investigators would have a serous problem. Neither is asking someone you don't know to stop and talk to you. If that were a crime, I'll be first to cheer when chuggers and poll-takers are arrested.
Well sure they aren't crimes but they are certainly suspicious in the right circumstances.

Like let's say Zimmerman wasn't a happy poll taker but a self appointed 'neighborhood watch' out on patrol, and let's say he admitted to 911 operators that he was out looking for a confrontation and Martin looked like someone he wanted to get into a confrontation with. While still not crimes, certainly questionable and dangerous behavior.

I do wonder how much of an affect his 'neighborhood watch' title has had on how people treat him. It did seem like the cops treated him more like one of their own.
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Following someone is not a confrontation. If it were, private investigators would have a serous problem. Neither is asking someone you don't know to stop and talk to you. If that were a crime, I'll be first to cheer when chuggers and poll-takers are arrested.
Poll Taker Won't Be Charged in Shooting Death of Respondent

FREETHOUGHT-FORUM.COM (Internet News Service) -- A poll taker who shot to death a respondent won't be charged in the incident, the authorities said.

The poll-taker, George Zimmerman, was going door to door in a gated Florida community conducting a survey on voter preferences between President Obama and Mitt Romney for the 2012 presidential race. Encountering Trayvon Martin, a black youth wearing a hoodie and armed with Skittles, Zimmerman immediately grew suspicious and began stalking Martin, demanding answers to his poll questions.

"These assholes always give the wrong answer," Zimmerman said. "Fucking coons." Zimmerman said he was afraid that Martin would skew the poll results in favor of Barack Obama, so the armed poll-taker whipped out his gun under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law and blew away both Martin and his potentially damaging vote for another black man.

"Poll taking isn't a crime," the police authorities said in a statement explaining why Zimmerman wasn't arrested.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:32 PM
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So far there are a lot of descriptions, and it is indeed not 100% clear what happened. So if you have counter claims to the following please help me out. But here's what I understand so far:
1. Zimmerman followed Martin in his car.
2. Zimmerman got out of the car and began following Martin on foot.
3. Martin was aware that he was being followed, if descriptions of his supposed phone conversation are accurate. As well, he increased his pace, apparently to move away from Zimmerman.
I have no counter-claims to those, as they appear to be pretty much the only thing that everyone agrees upon, not counting the whole 'skittles' and 'Martin was shot' bits.

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Yes, what exactly it is that happened next is not clear, and open to a lot of rank speculation. But Zimmerman was not a private detective. Zimmerman was not a poll-taker. And last time I checked it is also not a crime to walk down the street, or wear a hoodie, or be black. Zimmerman brought a handgun into a confrontation- one that certainly would not have occurred had he not been following Martin, that much is sure- and then killed Martin with it. And unless one of them was going to beat the other to death with their bare hands, local masonry, or a bottle of ice tea, it is much more likely that both men would now be alive, and we could hear from both Zimmerman and Martin as to what happened about a fight, rather than a killing.
I guess part of it depends on your definition of where the 'confrontation' started. I wouldn't say the 'confrontation' started until the first communication between the two. If the Zimmerman account is correct, then I would submit he didn't bring the gun to the confrontation which actually occurred, Martin brought the confrontation to the guy who had a gun. In which case it, again, all comes down (1) what actually happened, and for the purposes of conviction, (2) what can be proven actually happened. If, on the other hand, the 'confrontation' occurred as soon as Zimmerman spotted Martin, then we have another point of view.

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And unless one of them was going to beat the other to death with their bare hands, local masonry, or a bottle of ice tea, it is much more likely that both men would now be alive, and we could hear from both Zimmerman and Martin as to what happened about a fight, rather than a killing.
This is true (though I routinely carry a knife, it's not that uncommon). That said, people carry sidearms precisely in case they get into situations which require their use, to include fights in which they fear for their safety. It's something of a catch-22: The problem is that the fight shouldn't have started to begin with, but if Zimmerman's account is correct, he cannot be blamed for doing exactly what he was licensed to carry a sidearm for. The flipside of the coin is to prohibit people from carrying sidearms in the hope that in a future conflict between otherwise generally law-abiding people both sides can tell their story: Which doesn't help much in the cases where one party is less law abiding anyway. Which is more important overall?

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I do wonder how much of an affect his 'neighborhood watch' title has had on how people treat him. It did seem like the cops treated him more like one of their own.
From my relatively limited discussions (and a bit of a stint playing cheap private security), cops have even less tolerance for wannabe-cops than they have for anyone else: If they want to play police, let them survive the Academy and earn the badge.

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A poll taker who shot to death a respondent won't be charged in the incident, the authorities said.
Amusing. But only a valid analogy in the case that Zimmerman is lying.

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This is true (though I routinely carry a knife, it's not that uncommon). That said, people carry sidearms precisely in case they get into situations which require their use, to include fights in which they fear for their safety. It's something of a catch-22: The problem is that the fight shouldn't have started to begin with, but if Zimmerman's account is correct, he cannot be blamed for doing exactly what he was licensed to carry a sidearm for. The flipside of the coin is to prohibit people from carrying sidearms in the hope that in a future conflict between otherwise generally law-abiding people both sides can tell their story: Which doesn't help much in the cases where one party is less law abiding anyway. Which is more important overall?
If only Martin had also been licensed to carry a sidearm too! Then things would have been even safer.
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That said, people carry sidearms precisely in case they get into situations which require their use, to include fights in which they fear for their safety blacks blacking while blackly black.
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I have no counter-claims to those, as they appear to be pretty much the only thing that everyone agrees upon, not counting the whole 'skittles' and 'Martin was shot' bits.
...and all of these discussions and defenses of Zimmerman should be heard in a court of law, which is what most people were asking for.

That's what it comes down to. There isn't an account of events out there that explains their initial failure to investigate the incident and charge Zimmerman with a crime.
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There isn't an account of events out there that explains their initial failure to investigate the incident and charge Zimmerman with a crime.
That's one way of looking at it. Another is proposed by Alan Dershowitz, who says the facts alleged in the Affidavit of Probable Cause submitted by the prosecutor don't justify a charge of murder 2.
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I wonder whether yshit has ever agreed with anything else that Dershowitz ever said?

Yes, yshit, we know the evidence is thin, as it must be in a case like this. We also know that your anti-black hero deliberately instigated a confrontation with an unarmed kid after being advised to back off by the 9/11 that he called.

But that's OK, ain't it, yshit, because the kid was black. Right?

Hey, yshit, if you had a brain, what would you do with it?

Or, more pertinently, if you had a heart, what would you do with it?
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There isn't an account of events out there that explains their initial failure to investigate the incident and charge Zimmerman with a crime.
That's one way of looking at it. Another is proposed by Alan Dershowitz, who says the facts alleged in the Affidavit of Probable Cause submitted by the prosecutor don't justify a charge of murder 2.
No, that's not another way of looking at it unless he also said that the incident itself didn't justify an investigation, and the facts didn't justify any charges at all.
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There isn't an account of events out there that explains their initial failure to investigate the incident and charge Zimmerman with a crime.
That's one way of looking at it. Another is proposed by Alan Dershowitz, who says the facts alleged in the Affidavit of Probable Cause submitted by the prosecutor don't justify a charge of murder 2.
No, that's not another way of looking at it
Yes it is, don't be an airhead.

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unless he also said that the incident itself didn't justify an investigation, and the facts didn't justify any charges at all.
He said
“This affidavit doesn't even make it to probable cause. Everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense. Everything.”
in which case no charge is justified.
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If you had a brain, yshit, what would you do with it? :popcorn:
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So far as I can tell, yguy is desperately afraid that it's blasphemous to be nicer than God, and that God is an asshole.
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